Has anyone here ever beaten hair loss?

[Milo]

Just wondering since I have thinning on the top of my head and it started around age 17 once I started lifting weights.

I have also ruled out genetics on this one. No one in my family has hair loss on either side. This is something that has to do with my lifestyle or something else.

If you have hair loss and haven't beaten it. Can you give me a summary of yourself and your lifestyle? I've put in the following for you fill out as a guideline. Just copy and paste to fill out. Add more things you might be able to correlate with hair loss if you can.

Height:
Weight:
Age:
Diet:
State of residence (leave blank if you'd like it to remain unknown):
Exercise habits/activity:
History of illnesses:
Allergies:
Shampoo and conditioner usage:

Here is me.

Height: 5'10
Weight: 150
Age: 21
Diet: Low carb (Started after hairloss)
State of residence (leave blank if you'd like it to remain unknown): Minnesota (thinking of climate)
Exercise: Sometimes very active, and for other long periods of time, very sedentary. Very little cardio, mostly weight lifting. Not much walking either.
History of illnesses: Lymphoma cancer at age 9, chemo and radiation as treatment
Bell's Palsy at age 19 for 3-4 months
Allergies: Seasonal every August-September
Shampoo and conditioner usage: Almost every day

 

[Architect]

Low carb, meaning Atkins? My brother had accelerated hair loss after he started that wackadoodle diet. Might be a correlation. At present he has lost much of his hair while I've got a full head of gorgeous hair (according to my hair cutter). I only eat plants. I understand hair loss is associated with higher testosterone levels too, maybe those phytoestrogens are doing me some good.

 

[Milo]

It happened before I started the diet, although it is much worse now. Perhaps meat nowadays is bad because of a poor balance of omega-6 and omega-3s in the meat from industrialized farming. I've read a lot on people who only eat wild fish for meat and they look like the ones who can recover.

Is there any plants you avoid? How can you do that to yourself? Do you enjoy eating that way? Also, it would probably be bad for me to just jump to another diet right away since it would probably cause a hormonal crash. If I did that, I'd have to wean myself into it.

 

[Architect]

It happened before I started the diet, although it is much worse now

Yes I believe hair loss is genetically determined, but as genes express due to environmental pressures I suspect diet can make it better or worse

Is there any plants you avoid?

Low nutrition boring ones like iceburg lettuce

How can you do that to yourself?

By eating plants.

Do you enjoy eating that way?

Yes.

Also, it would probably be bad for me to just jump to another diet right away since it would probably cause a hormonal crash. If I did that, I'd have to wean myself into it.

If you like. That's actually the harder route to take as your taste buds don't get fully acclimitized so you're between two worlds.

At this point the idea of meat and dairy is disgusting. Meat appears to be a burnt piece of feces infested muscle from an animal I wouldn't want to get within 100 feet of. Dairy is a waxy grease eraser that clogs my sinuses.

The real benefit is your atheletic endurance and improved immune system. I'd tell you stories but you wouldn't believe it.

 

[Back2Basics]

have u tried taking biotin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biotin#Deficiency

i dated a girl who used to say it worked well for women with thinning hair



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alopecia#Treatment

 

[Milo]

So you go to the grocery store and get just about any plant that you enjoy eating? Nuts, seeds, legumes, fruits, tubers, and veggies alike?

 

[Architect]

So you go to the grocery store and get just about any plant that you enjoy eating? Nuts, seeds, legumes, fruits, tubers, and veggies alike?

Uh, sure? Seems like an odd question. I make sure to eat from the following categories every days; leafy greens, nuts, beans, seeds, berries, fruits, onions and mushrooms. I fill in with some grains for calories (mainly steel cut oats and quinoa), and a scattering of whatever else.

 

[Back2Basics]

Uh, sure? Seems like an odd question. I make sure to eat from the following categories every days; leafy greens, nuts, beans, seeds, berries, fruits, onions and mushrooms. I fill in with some grains for calories (mainly steel cut oats and quinoa), and a scattering of whatever else.

what is your favorite recipe to make yourself?

 

[Architect]

what is your favorite recipe to make yourself?

"Dr Furhmans 'Famous' anti-cancer soup"

You can look it up online, I make it in a Hotel sized pressure cooker, enough for two weeks and freeze it. One stop shopping, I get loads of onions, mushrooms, kale and a bunch of other stuff. Super easy, and it gives me super powers. I feel my age when I'm not getting it.

 

[Milo]

Do you have to take supplements, or is the b-vitamin thing a hoax? Also, perhaps the culprit is too much protein and not the fat since everything these days is all leaned out to the max and isn't natural in the least.

What if fat is essential to help the digestion of animal proteins, or that animal proteins are only to be eaten very sparingly?

I wish it was a much clearer answer, because I see many people advocating online that they lost hair going vegen, others saying the opposite, others saying high fat helped them.

I feel like it is more about balance than specific food choices. I don't know. It's kind of rough losing hair at such a young age, you know?

 

[Milo]

have u tried taking biotin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biotin#Deficiency

i dated a girl who used to say it worked well for women with thinning hair



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alopecia#Treatment

I've tried it. Didn't really work for me.

 

[Back2Basics]

Do you have to take supplements, or is the b-vitamin thing a hoax? Also, perhaps the culprit is too much protein and not the fat since everything these days is all leaned out to the max and isn't natural in the least.

What if fat is essential to help the digestion of animal proteins, or that animal proteins are only to be eaten very sparingly?

I wish it was a much clearer answer, because I see many people advocating online that they lost hair going vegen, others saying the opposite, others saying high fat helped them.

I feel like it is more about balance than specific food choices. I don't know. It's kind of rough losing hair at such a young age, you know?

going vegan and losing hair.. seems like bs.

you could easily get all the amino acids/proteins needed w/o meat, etc.

maybe the problem is you worrying about your hair, and that is the reason you are losing more hair.

And how can we really say fat is that essential, most fundamental civilizations lived by water and relied on fish; fish for the most part of lean

 

[Milo]

going vegan and losing hair.. seems like bs.

you could easily get all the amino acids/proteins needed w/o meat, etc.

maybe the problem is you worrying about your hair, and that is the reason you are losing more hair.

And how can we really say fat is that essential, most fundamental civilizations lives by water and relied on fish.

Fish is about 50% fat. That's what gets me. I've heard the healthiest people live off of fish. Perhaps it is a much different thing from most other meats.

 

[Architect]

Do you have to take supplements, or is the b-vitamin thing a hoax?

B12 is an issue, both for vegans and meat eaters. Most meat these days has little B12 in it. Otherwise I've run my diet through analysis software and I'm getting 3000% A, C, etc.

Also, perhaps the culprit is too much protein and not the fat since everything these days is all leaned out to the max and isn't natural in the least.

Too much protein, yes. Too much fat too, and bad fat. Biggest problem is zero nutrition. Those are macronutrients, not micro (phyto chemicals, vits and minerals). The composition of Kale, for example, fills volumes. Meat? Protein, fat, a small handful of minerals. Oh and cholesterol, and whatever environmental contaminants the animal ate. Concentrated.

What if fat is essential to help the digestion of animal proteins, or that animal proteins are only to be eaten very sparingly?

Research has determined that up to about 2% of your diet can consist of animal protein without ill effect.

I wish it was a much clearer answer, because I see many people advocating online that they lost hair going vegen, others saying the opposite, others saying high fat helped them.

The research is perfectly clear. A lot of research. A mixed online survey is about what you'd expect. People are unsystematic, when they 'went vegan', what did that mean? Most commonly it means people become junk food vegans, eating lots of refined crap and boutique vegan processed food you find in the health food store. That is probably worse than being a meat eater.

I feel like it is more about balance than specific food choices. I don't know. It's kind of rough losing hair at such a young age, you know?

Yep

 

[SpaceYeti]

My butt will never be bald.

 

[Architect]

My butt will never be bald.

Thanks for sharing that tidbit.

 

[Milo]

Another thing that I just realized is that right around the time I started going bald is when I had an explosion of thoughts. It seemed like all of my energy went into thinking. Possible cause? Thinking is not free in terms of calorie consumption.

 

[Reluctantly]

Another thing that I just realized is that right around the time I started going bald is when I had an explosion of thoughts. It seemed like all of my energy went into thinking. Possible cause? Thinking is not free in terms of calorie consumption.

Stress can cause hair loss. But it should come back. So can high testosterone levels. Is your hair loss only on your head?

My butt will never be bald.

It will when I get through with you. My precious Yeti.

 

[Proletar]

Low carb, meaning Atkins? My brother had accelerated hair loss after he started that wackadoodle diet. Might be a correlation. At present he has lost much of his hair while I've got a full head of gorgeous hair (according to my hair cutter). I only eat plants. I understand hair loss is associated with higher testosterone levels too, maybe those phytoestrogens are doing me some good.

You are speaking out of ignorance.


@Milo:

The low carb diet has been known to cause a loss of hair before. But don't worry, any hair-loss caused by the low carb diet is temporary. That hair will come back in time. It happened to me a couple of years ago when I first started the diet, but the hair came back after the period of adjustment and made me the beautiful man I am today.

Testosterone is a big player in hair-loss. Sure, if you want to be a whiny little sissy with loads of hair and lots of estrogen in your system, go ahead and eat those beans, green-leafs, fruits, onions and mushrooms, but otherwise, stick to this plan. You'll feel better in time, and you wont nearly be as likely to get diabetes, cancer and heart-diseases. If all else fails, buy yourself a wig. Or a cool hat, like Hunter S. Thompson.


Some nuance to balance the earlier stuff out:

A vegan diet can be healthy and a high-fat diet can be healthy. Hell, a vegan diet can even be high fat, but that's besides the point. The point is, you can't have loads of saturated fat and loads of carbs at the same time. If they get into the bloodstream at the same time, they really work against each other. The sugar activates the insulin which stores both the sugar and the fat instead of using it, and you get fat and in the long run it causes your your arteries to clogg up. For a healthy diet, you need to pick one of those. Use either fat or carbs as a source of energy. And if fat, choose saturated fat. It melts at 37 degrees celsius, just the same as the temperature of the body. Oils tend to oxydate and cause inflammation.

Also, get over yourself. Loss of hair is not the worst thing that can happen to a person.

 

[Architect]

You are speaking out of ignorance.

Perhaps you can't parse the words "might" and "maybe", and lack the wit to see the underlying irony? Especially ironic since you then go on to say that Atkins does cause hair loss, but don't worry it comes back. Didn't for my brother, maybe that should be it sometimes comes back?

Personally I've tried Atkins (before it was Atkins), and vegan, and mounds of research as well as my results overwhelmingly shows vegan as the most health promoting. As to the comment about meat somehow making you manly, I know otherwise. I've been a lifelong runner and have tracked my results, marathon endurance went way up on vegan, not on meat.

However I won't argue it.

 

[joal0503]

people equate beating hair loss, to growing more hair.

why not just 'beat' it, by accepting it? you could even just shave it all off and rock the mr. clean.

 

[Proletar]

Perhaps you can't parse the words "might" and "maybe", and lack the wit to see the underlying irony? Especially ironic since you then go on to say that Atkins does cause hair loss, but don't worry it comes back. Didn't for my brother, maybe that should be it sometimes comes back?

Yes, of course. If I'm not mistaken, the atkins-diet would either give a temporal hair-loss or activate hair-loss that is already dormant. In this case, you were correct, since he wrote "Diet: Low carb. Started after hairloss". Which means he might get some of it back, or have a period of not losing hair for a little while. Who knows.

Personally I've tried Atkins (before it was Atkins), and vegan, and mounds of research as well as my results overwhelmingly shows vegan as the most health promoting. As to the comment about meat somehow making you manly, I know otherwise. I've been a lifelong runner and have tracked my results, marathon endurance went way up on vegan, not on meat.

Turning the table, are we? A moment ago, you busted me for using a personal anecdote (spelling?) to argue against permanent hair-loss, but now you just know for yourself that a vegan diet gives better times? "I know otherwise".

The different diets have different functions and they work differently for different people. Some people gain weight from the low-carb diet (mostly skinny and anorectic people) and others lose weight from it. But all in all, it's a healthier way of living on either of the two diets since both of them have been proven to demote cancer, heart-disease and diabetes, and so on. Neither my post or my understanding of the subject is black and white.

 

[SpaceYeti]

It will when I get through with you. My precious Yeti.

I have been considering waxing, but there's no point until I get home to my wife.

 

[Double_V]

As a female I noticed alot of shedding. Since I already have overly silky fine hair I sure didn't need less of it. Not to mention a messy bathroom sink, etc.

Kelp. I added kelp tablets and that straightened that out.

I don't eat commercial white salt so wasn't getting the iodine. But celts can use a little more of what kelp has in it, in general they need it.

Edit: Looked up kelp. It also has cacium, zinc, vitamin A, mag, etc. And is good for hair, skin, and nails. But kelp can over activate a thyroid if too much is taken so best to use less than more.

 

[SpaceYeti]

... Is your username your breast size?

 

[Double_V]

I have been considering waxing, but there's no point until I get home to my wife.

You're considering waxing your ass for you wife?

Well now, that is love.

Butt I'll bet you never do it twice.

 

[Double_V]

... Is your username your breast size?

No. And now I don't feel too bad for my last post.

Try the french alphabet for the answer.

 

[joal0503]

 

[SpaceYeti]

Your considering waxing your ass for you wife?

Well now, that is love.

Butt I'll bet you never do it twice.

Maybe I won't. I don't know, yet. Either way, it's more for me. I hate all the hair there, but there's no point in doing it unless someone's gonna see... which is where my wife comes in.

No. And now I don't feel too bad for my last post.

Try the french alphabet for the answer.

Ah. Why W, then?

 

[Double_V]

... it's more for me. I hate all the hair there

Why? Is it uncomfortable?

but there's no point in doing it unless someone's gonna see... which is where my wife comes in.

There's logic for ya.

Ah. Why W, then?

Just letter play, that's all it is.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Why? Is it uncomfortable?

No, but also pretty.

 

[snafupants]

people equate beating hair loss, to growing more hair.

why not just 'beat' it, by accepting it? you could even just shave it all off and rock the mr. clean.

What if the hair loss is merely a symptom of a bigger problem?

 

[joal0503]

What if the hair loss is merely a symptom of a bigger problem?

then fix that problem, dont worry about the hair.

 

[snafupants]

then fix that problem, dont worry about the hair.

Amen.

 

[just george]

Lots of logical inconsistencies in this thread. Ill have a go, but it's going to get long.

 

[just george]

Just wondering since I have thinning on the top of my head and it started around age 17 once I started lifting weights.

No. The use of the word "once" implies causality. The correct description of your circumstance is "I have thinning on the top of my head and it started at around age 17. At the same time, I was lifting weights."

correlation is not causality.

I have also ruled out genetics on this one. No one in my family has hair loss on either side. This is something that has to do with my lifestyle or something else.

Ruling out genetics is illogical. Two blue budgies may produce green budgie offspring. Hairy parents with hairy children may produce a child that is less hairy. Your exclusion of genetics is baseless given the evidence.

If you have hair loss and haven't beaten it. Can you give me a summary of yourself and your lifestyle? I've put in the following for you fill out as a guideline. Just copy and paste to fill out. Add more things you might be able to correlate with hair loss if you can.

Sure. I beat it at birth, genetically.

Listen, the factors at play here are a bit more complex than what you put in your mouth or what your DNA reflects. Blood flow to the scalp and subsequent follicular nourishment plays a part. Toxins, including endogenous ones such as dihydrotestosterone (a metabolite of testosterone) plays a part. There are too many factors at play here to come to a meaningful conclusion based on the criteria presented in your initial post.

The logical thing for you to do is to address the obvious - removal of toxins if possible (eg with an anti aromatase pharmaceutical), encouragement of blood flow via heat, massage, or pharmaceuticals, nutritional support to promote protein and lipase production...this thing you're talking about is a tad complex and highly variable between individuals

 

[just george]

Low carb, meaning Atkins? My brother had accelerated hair loss after he started that wackadoodle diet. Might be a correlation. At present he has lost much of his hair while I've got a full head of gorgeous hair (according to my hair cutter). I only eat plants. I understand hair loss is associated with higher testosterone levels too, maybe those phytoestrogens are doing me some good.

Bit more complex than that. Some people consider the qualitative aspect of their diet (eg "I only eat plants") and forget the quantitative (eg I eat only plants, and ingest X calories from Y macro/micro nutrients).

The association between high testosterone and hair loss is usually (usually.) associated with conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone, which is toxic to hair follicles on the head (for some people) and promotes growth of hair on the body/back/arse (a practical joke played on some people by God).

Diet plays a role to be sure, overlayed on genetics, so if you can overcome genetics with diet in a way that is broadly applicable, then I will say to you straight that your name will go down in history and you will make many hundreds of millions of dollars if marketed correctly. Lots of very clever people have been working on this for a long time. Not me of course. I would have solved it

 

[just george]

It happened before I started the diet, although it is much worse now. Perhaps meat nowadays is bad because of a poor balance of omega-6 and omega-3s in the meat from industrialized farming. I've read a lot on people who only eat wild fish for meat and they look like the ones who can recover.

Is there any plants you avoid? How can you do that to yourself? Do you enjoy eating that way? Also, it would probably be bad for me to just jump to another diet right away since it would probably cause a hormonal crash. If I did that, I'd have to wean myself into it.

You're being a bit myopic here. Hair growth is a bit more complicated than omega this or that. Try to lose this hyperfocus on small pieces of a big puzzle

 

[just george]

Fish is about 50% fat. That's what gets me. I've heard the healthiest people live off of fish. Perhaps it is a much different thing from most other meats.

Fish is not 50% fat. Fish is 100% fish. Except when I cook it - then it's 60% fish, 40% garlic

 

[jpc]

I have had to deal with hairloss, but it was mainly due to sensitive scalp. The solution was this(do some research to find the product that can replace your shampoo, if this doesnt work -- expensive shampoos can be an alternative -- though if you wash your hair once a month it will probably not end up being too hard on the wallet):
http://fulfilledhomemaking.com/no-poo-shampoo/

 

[snafupants]

These are such first-world problems. Hair loss - come on.

 

[Milo]

These are such first-world problems. Hair loss - come on.

Lol. It's just the worst...

 

[ShameFace]

Low carb, meaning Atkins?

Low carb doesnt mean Atkins. Atkins is just the most mainstream version of the ketogenic diet.

And how can we really say fat is that essential, most fundamental civilizations lived by water and relied on fish; fish for the most part of lean

EFA stands for "essential fatty acids". No other macro nutrient has such a designation. And thats because we absolutely need fat in our diets.
Its the reason the Inuits chewed whale blubber.



To the OP:
I have 2 brothers, neither of which are losing their hair; and my dad who smoke, drank and never gave any thought to his diet, died with a full head of hair.
Me, on the other hand, my forehead gets just a little bigger every year (I'm 35). but its really not a problem for me. I just shave my head (which I would be doing any way) and I wear a hat most of the time anyway, to keep the sun out of my eyes.
Don't stress over it.

 

[joal0503]

this thread has taught me 2 things...


1. i should learn to profit off of human insecurities, it works sooo god damned well..
2. there might be space for some sort of wig/hairpiece revival using new sources of synthetic hairs and materials. maybe even some sort of digital projection of hair even...

 

[Milo]

@snafupants

What if it is from the stress thinking way too much because I wasn't enlightened?

I'll make updates of my progress... haha.

 

[Helvete]

Fish is about 50% fat. That's what gets me. I've heard the healthiest people live off of fish. Perhaps it is a much different thing from most other meats.

I'v only read till here, will carry on after this though

The reason fat is bad for most people now is because our bodies are addicted to carbs, so cannot process the fat and stores it instead. These people eating plants and fish weren't consuming carbs (I assume). This is why the atkins diet is so good for weight loss. Sorry if this has been said!

EDIT: Has been said much more scientifically aha

 

[Milo]

While you're here, I'll make an update.

Started smoking much more cannabis. Hairloss has stopped, but no growth. Also stopped exercising all the time and stopped paying attention to my diet--although I don't eat grains or cereals so much, and I eat a lot less sugar. Also, my head is void of thoughts or stress--I have full control of my general emotional well-being (or at least I have for the past 6 months). Confidence is at an all time high. Am also less intuitive and way more down to earth--I've become one of those annoying sensors you guys used to always talk about. Haha.

All this may or may not be related to my hair loss stopping. Before, I was living on hope that I could just grow it by changing something simple, but now I have no hope really and don't care so much about it.

 

[Helvete]

How much cannabis did you smoke before?

 

[Brontosaurie]

i've been regretting not drawing ink lines on my forehead. not sure if hair loss or just excessive self-criticism. i think that freckle was closer to the hair before... well i shouldn't care. too many worries already.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Hairloss has stopped, but no growth.

Spermidine.

Yes... it is what you think it is.