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Aurora

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What are your friend relationships like? Are you happy with them? Do you want more or less?

I have maybe 2-3 people I talk to on a daily basis, but no one whom I actually see or spend time with every day. What I want is a close group of friends (3-4) whom I can eat meals with, talk to, go out and do fun things with. It seems like everyone else has that and it is so natural for people to have that, but I don't have it. It makes me feel lonely and like I am missing out on a lot of things that other people my age are experiencing.
 

Agent Intellect

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i have one real friend, then a few people that i work with that i could consider friends, but i don't really do anything with them outside of work. i don't lose any sleep over my "lack" of friends (although i'm sure it has something to do with me lol)
 

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Most 'groups' here seem to have at least one or two members that everyone in the group insults behind their back. It's like truth in television, except that the plot is boring. Rather than horrible. I have two good friends in school, though we don't generally fit the whole 'small talk over lunch' thing, since then I would probably have died inside by now. I also have a few (4?) old friends that don't live here, though I see them at least once a year, usually.
And we're a tiny minority, of course most other people are going to be different. Crud, I hardly organize stuff with my friends here outside school, seeing as we see each other 5 days a week.
 

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I have a couple close friends that I always hang out with and then I have a large group of friends that I hang out with about every two weeks or so.
 

Nocturne

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Friendship. Hmmm... Problems include: friends being bored with me, they react in a annoying way. Friendships, to me, is slightly empty and unsatisfying. It is officially very difficult to become friends with someone who is extroverted. But, when friendship reaches its' highest level, some joy may be attained. Here is the yin and yang of my friendship with other classmates. (Maybe I should seek out other people, but that's difficult for me.) :p
 

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I have two or three close friends that I confide in and see on a daily basis, but I'm not one for "hanging out". Sometimes I'll get extra tickets to Michigan State hockey games and bring a friend along, but most of my time is spent reading, researching, studying, or gaming at home. I'd be lying if I said that I weren't a bit of a nerd at heart, but I think that's likely the case for many INTPs.

I'd like to get out more, if just to experience the "real world" and build my social skills. I feel awkward at times, and, seeing as how I'm considering a career in politics either instead of, or after medical school, that drawback is certainly something I need to correct.
 

Solitaire U.

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Your status-quo perceptions are rather...status quo. Fulfilling what you described shouldn't be that difficult. Just offer to pick up the tab and you'll have more casual acquaintances than three lives-worth of trivial pursuits could accommodate.

I wouldn't advise casting friends into those roles, however. Friends are unreliable...always penciling-in changes to suit themselves when they should be sticking to the script you've provided.

If friends are what you seek, it will be difficult to find them as long as your vision is obscured by your age and other meaningless abstractions.
 

kinetickyle

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I have a hierarchy of friends and acquaintances. I have my inner circle, which consists of three people, all of whom I've known for at least 12 years. These are the people that I trust completely and would do just about anything for. Then I have about five or six friends. Then there are the friendly acquaintances, and then the plain old acquaintances. If this seems needlessly detailed, it's because I had to explain to a woman why I don't consider her a friend, even though I do like her as a person. These categories came about as a result of my explanation. I tried telling her that "friend" is not a label I pass out like business cards. I'm pretty sure she was still offended.
 

leopold

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i have friends that i wish i did not have. i feel so bad because they're fairly nice people. but foolish. i don't enjoy the activities they partake in... there are some that i like though! it's a very few! but not a day goes by that i don't say something like, 'i hate everyone standing in that hallway, please don't make me sit over there' and just get eyerolls and polite smiles and 'you know its not normal that you sit alone, especially since we're your friends.' how irritating. i feel more lonely and miserable than ever in a group of people that i don't connect with!
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friends?Do they exist?
 

Anchorite

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I think I can honestly say I have 4 friends, and many friendly acquaintances. It would be 5 but my best friend from childhood and myself haven't communicated in I think a year and a half. That's very saddening for me.
All of my current friends are awesome though, otherwise they wouldn't be my friends. I think every one of them is funny, pretty smart, and unlike any other set of individual you can come across. All around good people.
 

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One or two close friends, don't see them outside of work much. A ton of acquaintances. A couple of old HS friends I don't see anymore.

I like the idea of having more friends, but I really don't have the time or the interest.
 

Saulzar

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I've often felt the same way, but then when I do find myself in such a group I usually end up withdrawing and going off to do my own thing and they think me 'snobbish' and that is usually that.

Not sure I have any 'real' friends, except old friends I've known for years and years and they live in different countries. I have a boss - and a girl who I talk to, I spend more time than I'd like to admit getting paranoid about her. Usually I just get really needy with anyone I'm close to and that usually puts a dampener on that, I'm doomed to spending my life feeling lonely I think.
 
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I've often felt the same way, but then when I do find myself in such a group I usually end up withdrawing and going off to do my own thing and they think me 'snobbish' and that is usually that.

Not sure I have any 'real' friends, except old friends I've known for years and years and they live in different countries. I have a boss - and a girl who I talk to, I spend more time than I'd like to admit getting paranoid about her. Usually I just get really needy with anyone I'm close to and that usually puts a dampener on that, I'm doomed to spending my life feeling lonely I think.
same here
 

gruesomebrat

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I have a hierarchy of friends and acquaintances. I have my inner circle, which consists of three people, all of whom I've known for at least 12 years. These are the people that I trust completely and would do just about anything for. Then I have about five or six friends. Then there are the friendly acquaintances, and then the plain old acquaintances. If this seems needlessly detailed, it's because I had to explain to a woman why I don't consider her a friend, even though I do like her as a person. These categories came about as a result of my explanation. I tried telling her that "friend" is not a label I pass out like business cards. I'm pretty sure she was still offended.
Needlessly detailed? No. My friends and acquaintances get put into a hierarchical list as well, and it's considerably more detailed than this. The hierarchy came about in pretty much the same way, though; that is, having to explain why I don't consider someone my friend.

From first introductions up, you get to move through: Just Met You; Casual Acquaintance; Friendly Acquaintance; Distant Friend; Close Friend; Chosen Family; 'Blood' Family. Very few people have made it past Friendly Acquaintance status, and I only have 3 friends who have made it into my chosen family, none of whom have made it to the point that I consider them close enough to be upgraded to 'Blood' Family. Of course, that closest set of friends doesn't include any of my actual family members; it's being reserved for people who I feel comfortable enough with that I can consider them to be my family.

The thing is that there's no set time frame for moving up the hierarchy. I've met some people who rocket through to Friendly Acquaintance in one sitting, and then there are some people who have been stuck at Casual Acquaintance for years.
 

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Since the third grade or so, I've always had good friends. I was fortunate in finding like-minded people while I was young. Through having a close social group for so long, I soon just plain got good at socializing through practice. Now I can make friends pretty much anywhere life drops me. All you have to do is learn how to make good jokes and be just different enough from people that what you do is kinda weird and maybe funny, not super-dorky. I also think my dashing good looks help. People always react well to good looking people. That's just a fact.

I guess my advice, then, is to not put effort into being a total goof-ball because you hate the typical person like plenty of sub-groups do in high-school. Also, you can't force a friendship. They're things that develop naturally. Just like cougars have a hard time finding a stable boyfriend because they're desperate for a relationship, don't get too geeked about hanging out with people. It's weird.

Further, the other INTP I know from my squad is just plain socially awkward. Social awkwardness is almost all in the person who's awkward. I couldn't claim to know how to stop being socially awkward. The biggest thing is to not get nervous. If you're nervous around people, they pick up on it and know it's strange. There's no reason to be nervous. People will either accept you or they won't. Mostly, it's something you simply learn as you grow up. I was pretty socially awkward up past high school. You'll get there eventually, you just need to be patient and open yourself up to social situations.
 

WittyUsername

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Right now i have 3-4 really close friends. These were the people who weren't busy with "social pursuits" to fit in and look good at school. Most of the bonding took place discussing our observations of the world. But the humour between all of us is a hybrid of sarcasm, satire and the most peverted shit possible. Haha
I meet one of them daily and talk to the rest maybe once in two weeks. I really dont feel the need to talk. Usually i really wont have any topic to talk upon.
 

EyeSeeCold

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How many of us have them? Ones we can depend on.
 

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I have several friends but not so close perhaps they can just be defined as acquaintances from work
I always have breakfast, lunch and even dinner with them but I just can't get into their conversation
most of the time I would just keep quiet and listen to their conversation
but being around them lately seem to be draining my energy somehow
so I'm keeping my distance from them and try to hang out with them only during working time :cat:
 

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Friendship's a difficult thing for me. I have four or five in my inner circle of friends, but I can never convince myself to even talk to any of them (except in person) other than the one friend whom I text almost daily; I don't think I'd even talk to her much if I didn't. I miss them a huge amount, but I don't feel like I'm capable of interacting as I should, so I refrain from doing so. The longer I don't see someone, the more my analysis affects my certainty of how things work between us; and I haven't seen some of these friends in months.

In real life I'm pretty active when I first meet up with them, almost to the extent where I can't control myself (something which I really hate happening) for about half an hour at the most and then I withdraw from the group because I've become really tired. It makes me unsure of my actions that the way I would respond to something is never what my friends come up with. While I would almost always end up staying exactly on topic they seem to come up with (to my mind) totally unrelated things to say. I can't fathom it.

The strange thing is that the better I know someone, the more I analyse interactions (or potential interactions) with them. I'd be alright advising someone who was a casual acquaintance, but, to give an example, the last time an opportunity arose where I might have to advise or comment on something which was a problem for a friend, I froze up because I hadn't decided on the exact actions I should take in order to avoid a situation which might turn out uncomfortably. It really threw me and I ended up trapped in my head, repeating phrases as if I'd pushed a button, reacting automatically and unable to clearly see or hear the outside world. I read that INTPs like to avoid difficult situations like that and I think I'm a good example. I just don't think I'll be able to handle what happens. I wish I could be more supportive (and less dependent) on my closer friends but I find it something which is really difficult to convince myself to do. I've always thought I would rather keep the friendship than do something to it that I didn't know how to fix. I'm not good at thinking on my feet in an argument. I know it's incredibly irrational to think something as small as asking a friend what's wrong would cause something I couldn't repair, but at the same time I can't escape the fear of it. There is a huge amount of drama that had gone on in my head which the people involved have never known anything about.

It always surprises me how much more normal I act around people who know me less.

Also, it occurs to me that most of the time it's me who contacts my friends and not the other way around. If I do something with them it's almost always me that organises it (which explains why I only really arrange to see the one friend I actually talk to). I don't know whether it's like that with you guys.
 

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“Friendship is precious. In order to have a real friend, one must be real. Real with self and others, and not hiding behind masks-social masks designed to hide our true beings from others, even from one self. How do we get to this inner healing & inner knowledge of the soul, as well as whom we really are? Well, first must want to make the journey.
It is a journey of self-discovery, finding out who we really are. It is a difficult & perilous journey. One must be willing to face pain, and death of old concepts, as well as cherished beliefs. One must discover who one really is, not the mask. Mask protects us. So it seems. More so it keeps us prisoner locked up in chains of our own devising. We must be willing to face that pain, to reach one's true potential.” LightSun
 

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I have an imaginary friend.
 

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Friendship's a difficult thing for me. I have four or five in my inner circle of friends, but I can never convince myself to even talk to any of them (except in person) other than the one friend whom I text almost daily; I don't think I'd even talk to her much if I didn't. I miss them a huge amount, but I don't feel like I'm capable of interacting as I should, so I refrain from doing so. The longer I don't see someone, the more my analysis affects my certainty of how things work between us; and I haven't seen some of these friends in months.

In real life I'm pretty active when I first meet up with them, almost to the extent where I can't control myself (something which I really hate happening) for about half an hour at the most and then I withdraw from the group because I've become really tired. It makes me unsure of my actions that the way I would respond to something is never what my friends come up with. While I would almost always end up staying exactly on topic they seem to come up with (to my mind) totally unrelated things to say. I can't fathom it.

The strange thing is that the better I know someone, the more I analyse interactions (or potential interactions) with them. I'd be alright advising someone who was a casual acquaintance, but, to give an example, the last time an opportunity arose where I might have to advise or comment on something which was a problem for a friend, I froze up because I hadn't decided on the exact actions I should take in order to avoid a situation which might turn out uncomfortably. It really threw me and I ended up trapped in my head, repeating phrases as if I'd pushed a button, reacting automatically and unable to clearly see or hear the outside world. I read that INTPs like to avoid difficult situations like that and I think I'm a good example. I just don't think I'll be able to handle what happens. I wish I could be more supportive (and less dependent) on my closer friends but I find it something which is really difficult to convince myself to do. I've always thought I would rather keep the friendship than do something to it that I didn't know how to fix. I'm not good at thinking on my feet in an argument. I know it's incredibly irrational to think something as small as asking a friend what's wrong would cause something I couldn't repair, but at the same time I can't escape the fear of it. There is a huge amount of drama that had gone on in my head which the people involved have never known anything about.

It always surprises me how much more normal I act around people who know me less.

Also, it occurs to me that most of the time it's me who contacts my friends and not the other way around. If I do something with them it's almost always me that organises it (which explains why I only really arrange to see the one friend I actually talk to). I don't know whether it's like that with you guys.

Such truth.

"Friends" are strange things. Some of them you enjoy because of their similar sense of humor, uninvasive nature, and unexpected but comfortably pleasant interest in snuggling; some of them drive you so crazy you wake up every morning with your elbows stuck together for no apparent reason; some of them you absolutely detest but you have to try to like them because you see them every day and if they realize your hatred your life will be suddenly filled with fire and brimstone.

My friends have always fluctuated. I've purposely chosen to not have a "best friend" because that's just asking for neediness, which is gross. But I have two types of "good friends": long-term and short-term.

Long-Term Good Friends are those with whom I often do not have much interaction, but when we are together, we can talk about anything and do anything and it's like we've never been apart.

Short-Term Good Friends are those with whom I have a lot of interaction, often all at once. Facebook-ing, texting, talking at school, frequently doing things together... and either burning out and going our separate ways (and either turning into Awkward I-Used-To-Know-Yous or Pleasant Acquaintances) or burning down to a steady flame and turning into Long-Term Good Friends.


As for interaction... I really fluctuate. Sometimes I'm really talkative, and sometimes I just like to listen and think and absorb. People are fascinating. Sometimes I plan things with friends, but I hate having to do that; I'd much rather just join in with something that's already planned (or un-planned).

And I tend to be really good with people when I first meet them. Apparently I'm polite or something. But it's around Good Friends that my true (mean, awkward, misconstruing) self is shown--if I'm not too busy listening.

And it's very true that if I know someone for a long time, I'm much more likely to worry about something I'll say to them. Who cares if you offend a stranger or acquaintance? But carelessness toward a true friend is painful for both parties. There are a lot of things I want to tell some friends or want to suggest, but it all just has to play out in my mind because I know that for the sake of them-and-me I will never let on what I'm thinking.
 
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