Forum Mafia

[QuickTwist]

I don't know if people are into this kind of thing here, but I can only assume some will be interested in it. There is a game called Mafia. there are multiple versions of this game, but it is primarily played on a forum or IRL. I play on forums. I have developed a setup that I think is not too shabby if I say so myself.

I can give more information about this if people are interested (it seems to be a pretty hot topic for INTPs judging based on some rl experience and a poll I have seen).

I will give the basics though.
Its a game divided in teams. There is a team that is the majority that doesn't know who the smaller team is and there is a small team who knows who their team is and knows the larger team as well. In short the game is a group of an informed minority vs an uninformed majority.
The rules are simple. There are usually 2 phases: Day and Night. Every day everyone votes on a person to vote off. The uninformed majority called the Town is trying to vote off the informed minority, the mafia. Town wins when all mafia have been eliminated. The night phase is where the mafia can talk amongst themselves to choose someone to eliminate before the next day phase begins. The mafia can talk in private with each other in a group dialog. The mafia win when they eliminate all town or nothing can prevent this. This is usually decided when mafia hold a 50% majority.

So on to my question. Would anyone be interested in playing a game like this, specifically, one of my games that I have made for another site.

I will give more details if people are interested. Its really fun.

Sign up list:

1. Hadoblado
2. Nebulous
3. Happy
4. Zerkalo
5. ruminator
6. Perfectly Normal Beast
7. Puffy
8. Rook
9. Helvete
10. Cheeseumpuffs
11. Sinny91
12. EyeSeeCold
13.

Replacements:
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Spectators corner/dead thread

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Setup details

13 players.

10 Town:
1 Cop
9 Vanilla Townies

3 Mafia:
3 Goons.

In the QT I will link you you will get something that says one of these three options:

Welcome [Player X], you are Vanilla Townie.

You have no night actions.

You win when all mafia have been eliminated and there is at least one Town person left in the game.

Please confirm that you know your role in this QT.

Welcome [Player X], you are Town Cop.

Each night you may write me the name of the player to investigate in this QT. You will get a result of Town or Mafia. I will take the last NA given.

Night actions must be submitted by one hour before Day Phase.

You win when all mafia have been eliminated and there is at least one Town person left in the game.

Please confirm that you know your role in this QT.

Welcome [Player X], you are Mafia Goon. You are teamed with [Player A] and [Player B].

Each Night phase you may talk amongst your teammates in the QT I will link to you to execute a single factional kill for your team. I will take the last NA given.

Night actions must be submitted by one hour before Day Phase.

You win when all Town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this.

Please confirm that you know your role in this QT.

Rules:
I will be using https://www.random.org/lists/ to generat the roles and I will not be deviating from this at all.
Forum rules apply
You will receive your role in your QuickTopic - your QT will be sent to you before the game starts. You can use your QT for notes or to ask me questions about the game. I will not be telling you who scum is or who the doctor is.
This setup uses Day start.
There is no daychat. Mafia cannot talk in their QT with each other during the day phase of the game. Only the night phase of the game.
Cop get results in the form of Town/Antitown.
You can claim your role.
Discussing this game outside of the game thread and QTs is strictly forbidden. I repeat DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE GAME OUTSIDE OF THE THREAD AND QTS OR YOU WILL BE TAKEN MODKILLED IF I CATCH YOU DOING IT. Guys, please respect this, its no fun if you are cheating. This included PMs.
Do not post in the thread after night phase is in place. Every one is suppose to be asleep when it is night except mafia and cop. The mafia and cop use their QT to communicate to me and each other rather than in the thread. I am a little lax with this one if I think it was an honest mistake, but if talking in the thread past deadline persists I will be at least issuing warnings.
Players must post once every 24 hours. Failure to do so will result in a warning and if it happens again I will modkill your spot. You don't want that; it hurts your team
Each full game day will be a week long. 5 day daytime phase 48hour Nighttime phase.
Lynches will be decided by >50% majority. If no lynch is made by End Of Day (EOD) then there will be no lynch. The moment a majority is reached it is twilight. Votes counted after the majority lynch will not count. This includes Unvoting.
Voting must be in Red And Bold with the players name who you want to vote for. Unvoting is not necessary to cast another vote, but you can still UNVOTE.
Players who die can still win if their team is victorious. This is a team game and it would be kinda lame if only the survivors won.
Game will start after all spots have been filled and I feel it is a good time.
Replacements are welcome.
Players can still discuss the game after they die in the dead thread QT. If you don't wish to play, but want to spectate, I will send you the link to the Spectators corner QT. They are both the same QT.

Giggity, I am super excited about this.

 

[Hadoblado]

Renamed. Try to describe what you're actually wanting to discuss with your title. "A request" does not tell people anything useful.

Also... /in.

 

[QuickTwist]

Renamed. Try to describe what you're actually wanting to discuss with your title. "A request" does not tell people anything useful.

Also... /in.

OK, so there's like a couple ways we can do this. (I see you've played before.)

1) It would be amazing if we could get shindig together here to play once in a while. Was thinking this a while ago, but would be amazing if this site actually picked up the hobby.

2) I direct people to the site where my game will be held. I play on multiple sites but am planning to run the game on a particular site.

If we are to play games here, I prolly wouldn't start off with my game played here first since it might be just a little much to take in all at once (not to say people here aren't smart, quite the contrary. Its just my setup isn't exactly vanilla).

 

[Nebulous]

Ooh! Sounds fun; I love playing this game in person. Interested to see how you could get it to work online.

/in

 

[Happy]

/in

I play this same game (with a different skin - Werewolf, not Mafia) once a month at a bar with mostly strangers. It's good fun. I've dragged some forum members along and they've enjoyed it too (you know who you are).

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Count me in if we're going to play here

 

[ruminator]

i want to play

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

are jollity and merriment guaranteed?

if so, /in

 

[Puffy]

I'll play if you need more people.

 

[QuickTwist]

OK, if we're doing this here, here's the setup:

13 players.

10 Town:
1 Cop
9 Vanilla Townies

3 Mafia:
3 Goons.

Nice balanced vanilla game to get started.

 

[Rook]

eh, I'll give it a whirl

 

[Hadoblado]

Assuming you're hosting here?

If so, since the game exists in a void, I'm sure ordinary forum rules can be suspended if you need. Any CoC? On the site I played on they went wild west, which worked for the most part buy eventually had to be softened up due to upset. Since it's a game of rhetoric and sophistry, name-calling etc. can play an interesting role.

 

[QuickTwist]

Assuming you're hosting here?

If so, since the game exists in a void, I'm sure ordinary forum rules can be suspended if you need. Any CoC? On the site I played on they went wild west, which worked for the most part buy eventually had to be softened up due to upset. Since it's a game of rhetoric and sophistry, name-calling etc. can play an interesting role.

I don't know what CoC is... and I've been around. Don't know what you mean by went wild west either. I've found a lot of the time sites that play have their own terminology to some degree. There is also a different feel to how the game is played depending on where you go. And, yeah, I'll be hosting here... And on the site I talked about and if people think this is fun maybe they will consider playing in my game off site. I was told by a mod on that site to try and get recruit some people to move things along fast for me to mod the game there. He's kinda bending the rules for me since I haven't even played a game there before since he understand that I put a decent amount of time and effort into making the setup in question. For the record I've played on 8 different sites and lost track of how many games I played after 26. I'm by no means an expert tho. I think forum rules are fine for this game, rather not complicate things tbh. I understand that some ad hominem attacks are tolerated here so if its not completely out of hand I don't think it will be a problem. As the rule goes "treat others as they would treat themselves."

 

[Happy]

I'm really interested to see how this plays out online, considering it's a game of lies, deception and manipulation. In other words, a game of human interaction...

 

[QuickTwist]

I'm really interested to see how this plays out online, considering it's a game of lies, deception and manipulation. In other words, a game of human interaction...

Believe me, I am actually really curious how people are going to play here. It will be interesting if this becomes a thing here. Who knows, maybe next year for Mafia Championship we'll send our best to compete with the best. Yes, there is infact like a World series of forum mafia. It works more like a poker tournament tho. Each site sends their best in hopes of representing their site at the Mafia Championship at MU. I believe this is the second Mafia Championship that has happened, I think it just ended.

 

[QuickTwist]

Hodo, how do you feel about the week long day cycle? I was thinking a longer one since people aren't as active here and I think it would suite the playstyle better being a week rather than like 3 day cycle.

 

[QuickTwist]

Also, If people want to play the game that I developed and put a lot of time into feel free to show your interest in this thread: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/36648-Hi-new-old-player-here

 

[Helvete]

/in

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Imo 3 days is too much and will kill the flow of the game

 

[Happy]

Hodo, how do you feel about the week long day cycle? I was thinking a longer one since people aren't as active here and I think it would suite the playstyle better being a week rather than like 3 day cycle.

In IRL games, the best games have been where the host has just played that by ear and the cycles have been more organic. When it seemed there had been enough daytime debate and accusations, and nominations had been made, the lynching commenced and day turned to night.
Perhaps that would be the best way to do it here as well. Too much structure causes stress, especially for you, QT, as it seems you would be hosting, at least for the first game or 2.

I think it should be the responsibility of the players to keep up. If you don't respond to your nomination, too bad.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Do you not play mafia with a Doctor as well? Every time I've played has included one.

Either way, I'm /in

 

[QuickTwist]

In IRL games, the best games have been where the host has just played that by ear and the cycles have been more organic. When it seemed there had been enough daytime debate and accusations, and nominations had been made, the lynching commenced and day turned to night.
Perhaps that would be the best way to do it here as well. Too much structure causes stress, especially for you, QT, as it seems you would be hosting, at least for the first game or 2.

I think it should be the responsibility of the players to keep up. If you don't respond to your nomination, too bad.

Every place I have played forum mafia has had a set time for day and night. Remember that Day phase can still end early if a majority is reached. However, its usually best to use as much time for day phase as possible as more information can be gathered that way. The reason why you set a time limit is because people could filibuster and that's not fun for anyone. I am comfortable putting a time limit for this game. Its the only way that I know how to do.

 

[QuickTwist]

Do you not play mafia with a Doctor as well? Every time I've played has included one.

Either way, I'm /in

I've played games where half the people in the game have a Power role. I just did it this way for simplicity sake. I could add a doctor, but then I would have to add a Mafia Role blocker, otherwise it breaks the game.

 

[Happy]

Every place I have played forum mafia has had a set time for day and night. Remember that Day phase can still end early if a majority is reached. However, its usually best to use as much time for day phase as possible as more information can be gathered that way. The reason why you set a time limit is because people could filibuster and that's not fun for anyone. I am comfortable putting a time limit for this game. Its the only way that I know how to do.

Oh that makes sense. I was picturing a scenario where the day cycle couldn't be cut short.

 

[QuickTwist]

Oh that makes sense. I was picturing a scenario where the day cycle couldn't be cut short.

I've played a game where there was no official deadline and it was an absolute disaster. Granted the mechanics were a bit different (they were actually the original way to play), but yeah, it didn't work out too well.

I've played bot with a simple majority at EOD and Majority lynch. I am partial to majority lynch even though I didn't learn that way. I just makes more sense imo.

Some advice for you players who haven't played before: You can't always be sure people are telling the truth. That includes town players. Also, be aware that pressuring people to get a reaction and other reaction type behaviour can be very effective, but its the rock solid cases that generally win the game for town. It is mafias game to lose remember.

 

[Happy]

Some advice for you players who haven't played before: You can't always be sure people are telling the truth. That includes town players. Also, be aware that pressuring people to get a reaction and other reaction type behaviour can be very effective, but its the rock solid cases that generally win the game for town. It is mafias game to lose remember.

Never trust that anyone is telling the truth, period.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

I've played games where half the people in the game have a Power role. I just did it this way for simplicity sake. I could add a doctor, but then I would have to add a Mafia Role blocker, otherwise it breaks the game.

Really? I usually play it with some mafia, a sheriff, a doctor and the rest townspeople and the game doesn't get broken.

I'm not that invested, though, I don't mind if there's no Doctor.

 

[Hadoblado]

CoC = code of conduct
Wild west = no holds barred

Not mafia terminology. The reason I'm pushing for clear rules is that it's a legit strat for people to rules lawyer, or rule abuse. If for example, I started calling people really nasty names, and people didn't know if they were allowed to respond in kind, that would be bad. Any ambiguity in the rules increases ambiguity in the game, which is to the mafia's advantage.

I prefer short day/night cycles, as games can take a long time otherwise and I'm studying again soon. I've only played five games, and I was a noober in all of them, so don't think of me as any kind of authority. I'm still experimenting and getting lynched first day erryday 4dayz.

 

[QuickTwist]

Really? I usually play it with some mafia, a sheriff, a doctor and the rest townspeople and the game doesn't get broken.

I'm not that invested, though, I don't mind if there's no Doctor.

Cop can claim and doc can protect him, that's why its broken. In theory at least. Yeah, you can make the argument mafia can counter claim, but then you just wait till one of the cops says they got a guilty result and you lynch it to see who is telling the truth. *shrug*

 

[QuickTwist]

CoC = code of conduct
Wild west = no holds barred

Not mafia terminology. The reason I'm pushing for clear rules is that it's a legit strat for people to rules lawyer, or rule abuse. If for example, I started calling people really nasty names, and people didn't know if they were allowed to respond in kind, that would be bad. Any ambiguity in the rules increases ambiguity in the game, which is to the mafia's advantage.

I prefer short day/night cycles, as games can take a long time otherwise and I'm studying again soon. I've only played five games, and I was a noober in all of them, so don't think of me as any kind of authority. I'm still experimenting and getting lynched first day erryday 4dayz.

Usually where I have played Ad hominem attacks are not tolerated. The theory is that you attack arguments not players. I wouldn't mind rolling that way for this game.

Som yeah, I can go 2 ways with this wild west or no ad hominem attacks. I'd like to hear from the players what they would prefer.

 

[Sinny91]

I wanna say "yea"... but I'm semi drunk....


errrr what?!


Errr, yea man.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Cop can claim and doc can protect him, that's why its broken. In theory at least. Yeah, you can make the argument mafia can counter claim, but then you just wait till one of the cops says they got a guilty result and you lynch it to see who is telling the truth. *shrug*

Oh do you play where everyone knows who the sheriff is? In the past I've played where the doctor and the sheriff are secret identities so they can't collude like that. Besides, at that point, it wouldn't be too hard for the mafia to just kill of the doc in that scenario and then get back to business.

Also what do you mean by claim?
What function exactly does the sheriff have in your game?

I'm starting to suspect the version of Mafia I've played in the past has a ton of very slight rule variations from the version you play.

 

[QuickTwist]

I wanna say "yea"... but I'm semi drunk....


errrr what?!


Errr, yea man.

You sound like your more than just semi drunk, but I'll mark you down for being in the game. Don't worry, I'll remind you if need be.

 

[QuickTwist]

Oh do you play where everyone knows who the sheriff is? In the past I've played where the doctor and the sheriff are secret identities so they can't collude like that. Besides, at that point, it wouldn't be too hard for the mafia to just kill of the doc in that scenario and then get back to business.

Also what do you mean by claim?
What function exactly does the sheriff have in your game?

I'm starting to suspect the version of Mafia I've played in the past has a ton of very slight rule variations from the version you play.

Oh, A claim is where you say what role you are. So for example that would mean telling everyone that you are the sherif. In some setups there is something called mass claim where everyone claims what role they are and you can solve the game that way sometimes. With a Doc and Cop with no Roleblocker, the Cop can claim day one and as long as the Doc stays alive the Cop can keep investigating people without fear of dying. That's why I just suggest that the mafia have a Role Blocker so Cop can't claim day one because the mafia RB can prevent the Cops night action from going through, so the cop wouldn't be able to investigate anyone. This makes it so the game is more reliant on the players skill of reading people rather than the whole mess with claiming.

 

[Sinny91]

You sound like your more than just semi drunk, but I'll mark you down for being in the game. Don't worry, I'll remind you if need be.

Bazzzzzzzzzzz inga.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I'm interested but it's my first time. I'm feeling intimidated by all the developing rules. I would prefer 3 days at most.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Wait what does the cop do?
How is cop different from the other townies i mean

 

[Hadoblado]

Jeez I can't even remember...

Investigate one person a night maybe? (Gets to know their role and allegiance). The person with the gun was vigilante, but I thought there was a detective with the investigate mechanic... It's been a while.

 

[QuickTwist]

I'm interested but it's my first time. I'm feeling intimidated by all the developing rules. I would prefer 3 days at most.

A smart guy like you should be able to handle it. In my first game I was a substitute and the setup was much more complex. I'm sure you'll be fine. It basically goes like this: if you're Town you try and lynch Mafia, if you're mafia, you try to gain a 50% majority.

 

[Hadoblado]

The rules are relatively simple, but it does get very complex.

 

[QuickTwist]

Wait what does the cop do?
How is cop different from the other townies i mean

Jeez I can't even remember...

Investigate one person a night maybe? (Gets to know their role and allegiance). The person with the gun was vigilante, but I thought there was a detective with the investigate mechanic... It's been a while.

I will put all the role information in the OP.

 

[QuickTwist]

I haven't heard from anyone about what they would prefer between having a wild west game or a game with no personal attacks. I'd like to hear from players about this, but the ultimate decision is mine.

 

[Happy]

Personal attacks are fine if they are aimed at progressing the game. Uncalled-for insults and unsportsmanlike behaviour is not.

IMO: example - it would be okay for me to call you a manipulative ass because it calls you out for your manipulative tactics (or perhaps it's a tactic in itself) , but it wouldn't be okay for me to just straight up cal you a cunt because it does not achieve anything.

 

[QuickTwist]

Personal attacks are fine if they are aimed at progressing the game. Uncalled-for insults and unsportsmanlike behaviour is not.

IMO: example - it would be okay for me to call you a manipulative ass because it calls you out for your manipulative tactics (or perhaps it's a tactic in itself) , but it wouldn't be okay for me to just straight up cal you a cunt because it does not achieve anything.

K,

Does anyone object to this criteria?

 

[Hadoblado]

It seems unenforceable. If I call someone a dickhole as mafia I might have a very good reason for doing so: making the topic about something other than finding out who's mafia. You can't expect someone who's mafia to truthfully expose that reasoning, so any arbitration over whether they had good reason would be a farce. Likewise, a townie could be calling people names to see where they go with it, collecting information, but forcing them to reveal their hand would ruin their plan.

Even the absence of a judgement would allow people to infer intent.

I'd prefer it if it were one way or the other.

 

[Helvete]

Which time zone will be used?

 

[QuickTwist]

Which time zone will be used?

If I can get one more person to sign up, (Greyman, hint hint nudge nudge), then I would like to run it by 8 or 9 PM CST today. This would require everyone to confirm their role in their QT by that time, so I don't know how probable this is. If not I will prolly start it the Wednesday at like 4PM CST.

Oh, and I've decided we're going to use a shorter day length. I think we'll do 48 hour day phase and 24 hour night phase. Only problem with this is that this forum is not the most active and all the sites I've seen use this type of timing actually have more posts on average rather than less (I know its weird but it is a very clear pattern). I just fear that Town will be gimped because there won't be enough info in thread, but this is all very new to me so I can't be sure. Perhaps this forum will be more quality over quantity, that's what I'm feeling anyways.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

I'm a one man army, Ason.

Chill, jiggas. I be watchin'.

 

[QuickTwist]

I'm a one man army, Ason.

Chill, jiggas. I be watchin'.

Would you like to play?

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Would you like to play?

Yes.

I'm busy getting drunk/crunk/funk most nights so I may or may not be able to,

But given the opportunity, shall seize the day.