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Hadoblado

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Hahaha your curse continues Cheeseum, you will forever be wrongly accused by my hand XD

Serves you right for giving me an aneurysm over this fkn pop-up. I'm seriously considering opening it without reading, but then I can't prove I didn't read it.
 

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lol oops, I shouldn't read the game while I'm drunk


I'm not mad about the lynching, though, haha so it's funny he says that. I just have too many dumb thoughts bursting out of my brain.

What's there to be mad at, you lynched yourself.

IM MAD YOU.

Quit your crocodile tears...

"":L">>|":|{:|>:|:>:P:
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P|P:|;p actually still can;t find the hash.

It's a rant, don't care about my arguments validity.
 

Hadoblado

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DarthPunk is asking for access to the spec QT. Could you please send it to him via Team Liquid (he's the same name).
 

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DarthPunk is asking for access to the spec QT. Could you please send it to him via Team Liquid (he's the same name).

You mean the spectators thread?
 

Hadoblado

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Cheeseums can you please save a copy of that message? I want to delete my copy and have you resend later. I can't do this much longer.
 

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I just don't want any kind of feud because of some stupid game. Cheese, if you could please stop... whatever it is your doing with Hado, that would be amazing.

Haha feud? Don't worry about that. Whichever way the game goes I actually have a lot of respect for Hado now. But I understand and I will make sure I don't do anything even remotely like that again.

Now that you mention it though, it could be fun to pretend to have a feud.

Hahaha your curse continues Cheeseum, you will forever be wrongly accused by my hand XD

Damn you, Hado! Our feud continues, stronger than ever before! :mad:

What's there to be mad at, you lynched yourself.

IM MAD YOU.

Quit your crocodile tears...

Somehow you got that I was mad from me saying "lol I'm not mad" :confused:

Cheeseums can you please save a copy of that message? I want to delete my copy and have you resend later. I can't do this much longer.

For some reason my sent messages box is completely empty :confused:

That's okay though, it was a pretty short message which I paraphrased for part of a post in the Spectator QT, it won't be hard to remember. Delete away.
 

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For some reason my sent messages box is completely empty :confused:

That's okay though, it was a pretty short message which I paraphrased for part of a post in the Spectator QT, it won't be hard to remember. Delete away.

Wait a minute let me get this straight. Hado gets you lynched, deviously or not. You die as an innocent and get some minor revenge. Not even a drop in the well to settle this kind of blood feud. Hado comes out and complains about having no self control or will power and you're already willing to easily forgive him?
 

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Don't talk about the game while it's still running.

I'll message you a copy of your message so you can post it word for word once the game is done.
 
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So... not talking about the game specifics for this round per se.

I've had to take a very high-level approach to Mafia in the past but never really dove into it, since I admin on a place where games are run regularly. One thing was that people regularly talk smack, so we tend to be looser on behavior in the Mafia forum and let the Mafia mods take ownership since they understand the context / play style better and the non-Mafia mods only intervene on rare occasion.

Watching it unfold here.... lots of the commentary (besides being really wordy) seems unnecessarily antagonistic on some level. Is that just part of the game style? I am seeing that maybe the "smack" talk is a way to get people to issue tells about their identities in the game or is just part of the fun.

But I'm a little confused because at least one member seems to be actually pissed off. Maybe I am just wrong. It's really hard to tell who is just playing the game and who is taking the conversation seriously and actually getting mad.

Anyway, am I right about how a lot of the heat is actually just part of the conventions of play? So there's no reason to be pissed off or threatening folks for real, aside from being yet another play strategy? Trying to figure out how to parse this. Maybe I am just misreading who is actually mad and you're all playing.



EDIT: Oh, and if you need to wait until the current game ends to comment, feel free. I don't want to get anyone accidentally killed off.
 

Hadoblado

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Yeah Jenny we'll need to wait until game is over.

Speaking about other games, it's very common for people to be aggressive, and for people to act upset. Even when they're mafia and the attacks are warranted. That said, people do get genuinely upset too. So there's some judgement there.

This game is explicitly no holds barred in that regard. In games where there are stricter codes of conduct, I imagine it's not an uncommon tactic for mafia to be more troll like, winding people up knowing that any response will be moderated and frustrating for their target.
 

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Its fun tho, right.

I'm taking full creative licence with this one.
 

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I'm having a ball. Despite... Err... Well.. You know.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Gnight.
 

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Samesamesame ^
 

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Sinny please don't modkill yourself.

If you don't want to play, just make one post a day until you're replaced. It seriously ruins the game for everyone if you modkill yourself, and rules out you ever playing again.
 

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Sinny please don't modkill yourself.

If you don't want to play, just make one post a day until you're replaced. It seriously ruins the game for everyone if you modkill yourself, and rules out you ever playing again.

I'm okay with not having to try and carry bad townies ever again tbh.

Legit lol'ing that a Town-person, who has a 100% innocent read on themselves would actually vote themselves.
 

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@Sinny91, If you have prior time commitments to uphold or an emergency I can try and find a replacement, but if you just want out of the game for superfluous reasons, I'm sad to say that I will still get a replacement, but you won't be playing in any more of my games, sadly. So let me know the reason why you want to replace out and if its a valid reason I'd be more than happy to try and find a replacement. you can change you mind if you still want to play the game, but once your out of the game, your out.
 

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Sinny please don't modkill yourself.

If you don't want to play, just make one post a day until you're replaced. It seriously ruins the game for everyone if you modkill yourself, and rules out you ever playing again.

I'm only not modkilling myself because I don't want to impede Ruminator.
I won't waste any more effort on a suicidal team... I think the advantages are now ALL the mafia's, and any more participation from me will require lots of effort and pay out little reward. (Does that count as time commitment? My emergency is.. work)

The day end crept up on me, I didn't realise the tally of the vote count.. Not all the team were online... a dissatisfying end for me.
 

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Yeah but it seems like an underlying theme here. People want to try out the speccy stuff without mastering the basics. I knew this would be a mindfuck.

When I started my thing was whiteknight. Like Sinny but far worse. I would stick up for people until the end of the earth. Because I found it interesting that people thought that was scummy, and I wanted to understand. I learn by failing. I ended up failing badly. I learned.

ESC I'm sorry man. I did not expect to be giving you this apology. With Cheeseum I thought there was a possibility, with you I tunneled*infinite. Gnight ppl.
 

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Hadoblado said:
I knew this would be a mindfuck.

Yeah, tbh that's why I just resolved to stop worrying about the divide between actual mafia and poorly-played town.
 

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I'm only not modkilling myself because I don't want to impede Ruminator.
I won't waste any more effort on a suicidal team... I think the advantages are now ALL the mafia's, and any more participation from me will require lots of effort and pay out little reward. (Does that count as time commitment? My emergency is.. work)

The day end crept up on me, I didn't realise the tally of the vote count.. Not all the team were online... a dissatisfying end for me.

Can't you just stick it out? Its your first game, and its a few peoples first game. Its likely to not go exactly your way. Just stick it out this time and if after this game you feel its not for you then fine, no harm done.
 

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Yeah but it seems like an underlying theme here. People want to try out the speccy stuff without mastering the basics. I knew this would be a mindfuck.

When I started my thing was whiteknight. Like Sinny but far worse. I would stick up for people until the end of the earth. Because I found it interesting that people thought that was scummy, and I wanted to understand. I learn by failing. I ended up failing badly. I learned.

ESC I'm sorry man. I did not expect to be giving you this apology. With Cheeseum I thought there was a possibility, with you I tunneled*infinite. Gnight ppl.

This is getting dangerously close to talking about the game outside of the game. Please, if you have doubts on if it is allowed, it probably would be best to play it safe.
 

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.. Ugh... for the sake of ease and as there is a hit happening tonight, consider me contented.
 

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I'm unsure a replacement can realistically occur this late into this type of game? I mean, regardless of what role sinny has, whoever is her replacement basically comes in on a clean slate and the context of the entire posting history of that spot becomes redundant. It really messes up the reads of everyone. If its general protocol to replace though then fair enough.

I think you should stick it out sinny. I have very time-consuming pressures as well that this game is significantly eating into, and I've noted others say the same.
 

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Yeah don't quit Sinny. Someone voting themselves doesn't automatically mean it was because they gave up.

I wonder how much different this game is irl because the time zones allow things to happen when people are sleeping/working etc.
 

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We might need you as a replacement, but the game started a few days ago. Have to wait and see if a person is serious about replacing out or not.
 

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I wonder how much different this game is irl because the time zones allow things to happen when people are sleeping/working etc.

Very. It's more a game of relationships irl than it is a game of numbers.

Also the only way the mafia communicates during night phase is by silently pointing (everyone else is still at the table just with their eyes closed) so they definitely are less organized.

Also, when I've played irl, the only time you find out someone's alignment is if you lynch them. So the mafia can choose to NK one of their own and no one would know for sure.
 

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We might need you as a replacement, but the game started a few days ago. Have to wait and see if a person is serious about replacing out or not.

I will happily cut step in for someone.

:beatyou:
 

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Also, when I've played irl, the only time you find out someone's alignment is if you lynch them. So the mafia can choose to NK one of their own and no one would know for sure.

That sounds pretty brutal... I mean, in terms of adding even more fudge factor. You'd just never know about a few folks or even how many mafia might actually be left.
 

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That sounds pretty brutal... I mean, in terms of adding even more fudge factor. You'd just never know about a few folks or even how many mafia might actually be left.

Yeah, I've played games that revealed identity always as well. That's pretty much up to the person running the game.
 

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So... not talking about the game specifics for this round per se.

I've had to take a very high-level approach to Mafia in the past but never really dove into it, since I admin on a place where games are run regularly. One thing was that people regularly talk smack, so we tend to be looser on behavior in the Mafia forum and let the Mafia mods take ownership since they understand the context / play style better and the non-Mafia mods only intervene on rare occasion.

Watching it unfold here.... lots of the commentary (besides being really wordy) seems unnecessarily antagonistic on some level. Is that just part of the game style? I am seeing that maybe the "smack" talk is a way to get people to issue tells about their identities in the game or is just part of the fun.

Heh, so this is one of the few games where knowing how to troll becomes useful. who woulda thought there would be such a game
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Heh, so this is one of the few games where knowing how to troll becomes useful.

Depends on the way your trollsmanship takes form. Say, for example, your preferred method of fucking with people is saying and doing odd/inconsistent things which don't add up until they go "What the fuck is your deal?" and you practice this method of fucking with people so much it becomes a habitual way of operating. Now that's entirely hypothetical and I don't know anyone who behaves this way, but it's certainly the kind of thing that would get some well-meaning idiot killed on the first day.
 

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Depends on the way your trollsmanship takes form. Say, for example, your preferred method of fucking with people is saying and doing odd/inconsistent things which don't add up until they go "What the fuck is your deal?" and you practice this method of fucking with people so much it becomes a habitual way of operating. Now that's entirely hypothetical and I don't know anyone who behaves this way, but it's certainly the kind of thing that would get some well-meaning idiot killed on the first day.

I was thinking more along the lines of getting reactions out of people and frustrating them with rationale that twists everything they say, making it look like you've got things figured out. If you divide and frustrate all the players that can kill you, you've won as mafia.

But that to me is trolling, whether it's intelligent, funny, or not. I mean trolls win by bringing down others, not bringing them up, accepting them, or finding common ground with them.
 

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I was thinking more along the lines of getting reactions out of people and frustrating them with rationale that twists everything they say, making it look like you've got things figured out. If you divide and frustrate all the players that can kill you, you've won as mafia.

But that to me is trolling, whether it's intelligent, funny, or not. I mean trolls win by bringing down others, not bringing them up, accepting them, or finding common ground with them.

I guess that's just differing ideas of what trolling means.

I think of trolling broadly speaking as simply "fucking with people. Bonus points for doing it intelligently and/or getting a reaction (strong or not, any reaction scores points)"
 

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Damnit, I was certain that I was about to bust this game wide open. My only solace is that I made a decent enough diversion for Cop to survive.

@QuickTwist: I can haz spektator access nao?

@Mafia:

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....We should rename this particular iteration of the game "Jonestown."
 

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Hadoblado

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So... not talking about the game specifics for this round per se.

I've had to take a very high-level approach to Mafia in the past but never really dove into it, since I admin on a place where games are run regularly. One thing was that people regularly talk smack, so we tend to be looser on behavior in the Mafia forum and let the Mafia mods take ownership since they understand the context / play style better and the non-Mafia mods only intervene on rare occasion.

Watching it unfold here.... lots of the commentary (besides being really wordy) seems unnecessarily antagonistic on some level. Is that just part of the game style? I am seeing that maybe the "smack" talk is a way to get people to issue tells about their identities in the game or is just part of the fun.

But I'm a little confused because at least one member seems to be actually pissed off. Maybe I am just wrong. It's really hard to tell who is just playing the game and who is taking the conversation seriously and actually getting mad.

Anyway, am I right about how a lot of the heat is actually just part of the conventions of play? So there's no reason to be pissed off or threatening folks for real, aside from being yet another play strategy? Trying to figure out how to parse this. Maybe I am just misreading who is actually mad and you're all playing.

EDIT: Oh, and if you need to wait until the current game ends to comment, feel free. I don't want to get anyone accidentally killed off.

So specifically for me, the verbal abuse was supposed to communicate confidence in my own position while taking the rug out from theirs. I was playing a very heavy control style, where I wanted people afraid to question me. It's very difficult to stand up to someone that's punishing everyone that does so - but not so much if you're truly town. None of the mafia could reverse my momentum without bring an enormous amount of attention to themselves. Since I was (over)confident in my ability to point myself in the right direction, I was working under the assumption I was making it difficult for them.

It's also a way to elicit tells. For example, if ESC had have not got into a vitriolic exchange with me, instead opting to focus on trying to improve town's chances, that would have made me change my mind. A scum jumps at any chance to post high profile stuff without actually having to hunt. So exchanging insults is an easy trap for them to fall into, which also sets them up to have a higher level of activity from then on out (since it's weird if they can post constantly to shit talk but not to actually play the game). For whatever reason, ESC did return my shit-talk, and he decided to tunnel RB and I instead of focusing on expanding his reads beyond the conflict. I'm still confused as to what his character is and how he works, but his behaviour fit my profile so I tunneled him. It'd be unsportsmanlike if it weren't a game about... well... unsportsmanship XD.

Finally, I was also using it to change my tone from one end of the spectrum to the other. This stops people getting comfortable with a read on me. I don't want to be confirmed town or I'll get NKed, but I don't want to limit myself to just bluster. If I'm constantly shifting gears I'm more difficult to read and it's more difficult for mafia to plot my trajectory and subtly influence it.

IMO it has a place in the game, and honestly, playing mafia, it's allowed me to more intuitively understand why people abuse each other IRL. No insult is without intention, even if that intention is so habitual the insulter doesn't know why they did it.

I was actually really shocked when I saw someone being super aggressive day one and iirc correctly I called them out on it because I couldn't see how shitting up the water was in any way townish. But I was missing the trees for the forest. They had very good reasons for doing so and they were confirmed town very quickly.
 

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With the smack talk, I genuinely just get carried away doing my thing.

The smack talk between me and Hado wasn't a bother for me, apart from the none game related gripe I've already relayed. I get pissed off when people back off from my aggression rather than meet it.

I'll say I'm not emotional, but anger is always simmering beneath the surface, although, it goes just as quickly as it comes. I'd expect all you wannabe typologists to take that into account.. but apparently you don't, or you have fun pretending you don't.
 

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...I thought it was kind of obvious. You get pissed, flare, then you're done. Same thing with charging directly in versus feeling it out, and getting frustrated if people dodge you or beg off. Seems a pretty typical pattern for enneagram gut types and a few MBTI types.
 

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QT please make a mafia team of sinny and rb happen :angel:

LOL, yeah, that could be fun. Unfortunately I have to do it by random, otherwise its just not fair.
 
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