Flavor of the month

[snafupants]

I'm not sure why the fuck this thread is arising right now but what MBTI type flavor do I give off. Yeah, that's right. Take a big whiff and aver an opinion. Some kinda NT? ESTP? I can take it. Maybe forgo some intellectualizing and just spit out what you feel.

 

[redbaron]

NF.

 

[snafupants]

NF.

Oh my.

 

[Coolydudey]

I really don't see where the NF is coming from... (E)NT(P)

Edit: the parentheses because I am not so sure, especially about the E. I would pretty confidently say NTP as a predominant character though.

 

[snafupants]

I really don't see where the NF is coming from... (E)NT(P)

Personal vendetta and juvenile passive aggression?

Edit: the parentheses because I am not so sure, especially about the E. I would pretty confidently say NTP as a predominant character though.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that I'm an ENTP Enneagram five.

Something about the goddam happy-go-lucky buffoonery of seven doesn't ring true.

 

[Systems]

INFJ.. Always thought that.

 

[Latte]

Make a short video of yourself and share. The types of words you choose and the structure and flow of your sentences farts NJ several kilometers up my nasal cavities.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Yeah, that's right. Take a big whiff and aver an opinion.

You smell like an NT. When was the last time you bathed?

*takes bite*

Huh, tastes like pussy (INFJ)

Spoiler

Pussy cat that is (I keed I keed)

 

[redbaron]

INFJ.. Always thought that.

^^

 

[InvisibleJim]

*licks*

Tastes of 'WIN'

 

[snafupants]

You smell like an NT. When was the last time you bathed?

*takes bite*

Huh, tastes like pussy (INFJ)

Spoiler

Pussy cat that is (I keed I keed)

Ha, if by NT you mean an admixture of cheetohs, gasoline, desperation, and spent adrenaline, then yes. Wait, did you just call me a pussy? Well played.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Neurotic

 

[Duxwing]

I'm not sure why the fuck this thread is arising right now but what MBTI type flavor do I give off. Yeah, that's right. Take a big whiff and aver an opinion. Some kinda NT? ESTP? I can take it. Maybe forgo some intellectualizing and just spit out what you feel.

*Takes a bite of your pants and slowly chews them, carefully considering each individual sensation, then spits the bite out like a gun spits a bullet.*

Bleh! The bite of pants was arguing about the ethics of it being eaten and the value of its conscious experience relative to that of my desire for knowledge. I was convinced of its sentience and set it free. It, however, has remained motionless, rubbing its fibers together in what appears to be deep contemplation. I think that you're an XNTP who has achieved Ti-Ne synthesis-- hence your snappy yet mostly logical remarks.

-Duxwing

 

[snafupants]

Neurotic

@thehabitatdoctor

So neurotic. I'm surprised they let me roam the streets.

 

[snafupants]

*Takes a bite of your pants and slowly chews them, carefully considering each individual sensation, then spits the bite out like a gun spits a bullet.*

Bleh! The bite of pants was arguing about the ethics of it being eaten and the value of its conscious experience relative to that of my desire for knowledge. I was convinced of its sentience and set it free. It, however, has remained motionless, rubbing its fibers together in what appears to be deep contemplation. I think that you're an XNTP who has achieved Ti-Ne synthesis-- hence your snappy yet mostly logical remarks.

-Duxwing

@Duxwing

Ha, mostly logical. They can't all be zingers. Yeah, I scored equally and oddly high on Ti-Ne the last time I partook in Dario Nardi's cognitive functions test - aka, research study. I'm not oddly high right now...although I'm about to slam some coffee.

 

[snafupants]

I come to the tribunal with another request: Enneagram type? It's not that I'm naive about the Enneagram but I'd like an outsider's take...again, no holds barred!

Spoiler

But don't be an asshole.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Spoiler

But don't be an asshole.

Is 7w5 theoretically possible? (Coming from a 4w5).

This thread screams 7.

 

[Fukyo]

INFJ.. Always thought that.

Same.

 

[snafupants]

Is 7w5 theoretically possible? (Coming from a 4w5).

This thread screams 7.

Ha, yeah, that's the da Vinci special...seven integrated to five.

Let me read these other posts...

 

[snafupants]

Same.

I love you Fukyo...

 

[snafupants]

Oh god...INFJ...please, not integrated to seven with Enneagram one. Oh no.

 

[The Introvert]

If I may jump in here, (it's somewhat off-topic), where can I find more information on this 'Enneagram' that you speak of/ should I look into it more?

Took one (1) online test and got:
Variant stacking - sp/sx/so
Main type - 6/9

Spoiler

lol... 6/9

 

[snafupants]

If I may jump in here, (it's somewhat off-topic), where can I find more information on this 'Enneagram' that you speak of/ should I look into it more?

Took one (1) online test and got:
Variant stacking - sp/sx/so
Main type - 6/9

Spoiler

lol... 6/9

@The Introvert

Many more people are sixes than are willing to concede. Here are some helpful sites...

http://pstypes.blogspot.com/search/label/Enneagram
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enneagram_of_Personality

http://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/test-2.php
http://personalityjunkie.com/category/enneagram/
http://chriswrightcounseling.com/cw/documents/Enneagram-Couples-Intro.pdf

The last one is surprisingly edifying, although the presentation is bizarre. I really couldn't relate how I happened upon the couple's enneagram page.

It's funny to note but I feel partners do fling each other into rages or sooth one another based on the ego demands, delimited by type, of the Enneagram.

For example, blowing off a three or screaming insults to an eight isn't going to end well. The inverse is also true...by giving the seven stimulation or the six security, they'll purr like kittens. It's deeper than that, though, because the seven and six need something more than ego gratification.

The six basically needs to calm down, in an existential sense, and stop relying on external ideologies or groups to assuage their anxiety; the seven needs to stop jumping around and live more in the moment. It's a greener grass (sometimes literally haha) deal with the sevens.

The gist of the Enneagram is that everyone encounters some split in their psyche at a young age when their ideal is corrupted (perfection for the one, as an example). Unconscious compensatory measures ensue (e.g., ones are batshit crazy about the countertop remaining clean).

It's all very dramatic and you can take it or leave it. The system aspires to track the why - underlying motivations and substratum drives - rather than the how - behavioral manifestations...although the tests blur this line. The goal's to make the unconscious conscious and basically tell you why your life is so fucked.

People hurl mud at the Enneagram because it's "unscientific" but its aims are really higher than the Big 5 and MBTI. I believe there's a payoff for taking the leap of faith.

Crap, sorry about any errors. The fucking Daily Show is playing in the other room.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

What type do you have in mind for yourself lately? Enneagram? I understand INTJ/INFJ/ENTP/Ne dom are your frequent considerations.

**I think another Ni or Ti prominent Intuitive type would be likely before anything else.

Intuition dominant (/ Irrational) + Fe/Ti I think is more of an accurate general area, capturing the similarities between NeTi and NiFe, but I still say NiFe, if you want to be precise.

 

[snafupants]

What type do you have in mind for yourself lately? Enneagram? I understand INTJ/INFJ/ENTP/Ne dom are your frequent considerations.


Intuition dominant (/ Irrational) + Fe/Ti I think is more of an accurate general area, capturing the similarities between NeTi and NiFe, but I still say NiFe, if you want to be precise.

@EyeSeeCold

Sounds good to me. INFJ Enneagram four, integrated to one, seems about right.

I framed it similarly - dominant perceiver. I'm pretty lax about screening information. If I thought a hobo spoke, felt and surveyed like a genius or poet, I'd listen.

Since those test results (linked page), I have drastically changed as a person though. In a basic sense, I'm less introverted and probably (gasp) more opinionated/purposeful.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

@EyeSeeCold

Sounds good to me. INFJ Enneagram four, integrated to one, seems about right.

I framed it similarly - dominant perceiver. I'm pretty lax about screening information. If I thought a hobo spoke, felt and surveyed like a genius or poet, I'd listen.

I said E4 previously but I don't mean it dominantly, just that I think it has more of a presence than the others; E5 would be there too.

Since those test results (linked page), I have drastically changed as a person though. In a basic sense, I'm less introverted and probably (gasp) more opinionated/purposeful.

That's fine. The tests were just for comparison, I went with my actual impressions.

 

[snafupants]

I said E4 previously but I don't mean it dominantly, just that I think it has more of a presence than the others; E5 would be there too.

That's fine. The tests were just for comparison, I went with my actual impressions.

@EyeSeeCold

I might mean it dominantly.

So...what do you mean dominantly?

In hindsight, five makes less sense. I can't relate to the ego fixation (stinginess) whatsoever...I'm really generous with people. I also feel like the related fear (helplessness/incompetence) and desire (mastery), essentially related to information, doesn't apply all that much.

Really, that's always been the problem. I can't relate to the fixation or fear of five. The desire? Sure, most people want mastery, right? The gestalt of five as the intellectual makes sense but the constituent parts aren't jibing.

It seems like many fives dread self-disclosure and emotional expression. I don't. I usually push people for more intimacy and I can get bored of a slow pace.

I like music, relationships, arguments...almost everything to be intense.

 

[redbaron]

I might mean it dominantly.

So...what do you mean dominantly?

In hindsight, five makes less sense. I can't relate to the ego fixation (stinginess) whatsoever...I'm really generous with people. I also feel like the related fear (helplessness/incompetence) and desire (mastery), essentially related to information, doesn't apply all that much.

Really, that's always been the problem. I can't relate to the fixation or fear of five. The desire? Sure, most people want mastery, right? The gestalt of five as the intellectual makes sense but the constituent parts aren't jibing.

It seems like many fives dread self-disclosure and emotional expression. I don't. I usually push people for more intimacy and I can get bored of a slow pace.

Sounds a lot like enneagram 4 to me. You would know better than I, but I'm thinking that type 4 corresponds closest with INxJ or even ISFx (perhaps) in some ways. But I'm pretty certain you aren't ISFP or ISFJ. Possibly close friends with or related to one, but definitely not one yourself.

I like music, relationships, arguments...almost everything to be intense.

Why yes, I'd noticed that

Which was partly why I said NF in the first post, you didn't really ask for anything descriptive though. I was a little surprised that it was gawked at it/interpreted as a backhanded insult, though I suppose I could see how it would be perceived that way on a forum 'meant' for INTP's.

 

[Coolydudey]

Actually, you came be extremely quick to come to decisions and conclusions. I'll say (E)NT(I have no idea)...

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

So consensus is an intuitive-dom with Ti. Which is it, Ne-Ti or Ni-Ti? Se or Si?

Spoiler

You're also making me question my own type. Again. Thanks.

 

[Jennywocky]

NF.

At least someone has a sense of humor around here!


I always thought Snaf comes across as ENTP, but that's just working style. Not sure about true type, if it's different. 7w8? not sure.

Sorry for not reading the rest of the thread; obviously this perception is just my own.

 

[Fukyo]

I love you Fukyo...

What a sweetheart.

 

[snafupants]

What a sweetheart.

Thanks Fukyo. Yep, just a regular guy looking for somethin' sweet.

 

[snafupants]

So consensus is an intuitive-dom with Ti. Which is it, Ne-Ti or Ni-Ti? Se or Si?

Spoiler

You're also making me question my own type. Again. Thanks.

Should I flip the coin?

 

[snafupants]

At least someone has a sense of humor around here!


I always thought Snaf comes across as ENTP, but that's just working style. Not sure about true type, if it's different. 7w8? not sure.

Sorry for not reading the rest of the thread; obviously this perception is just my own.

@Jennywocky

Thanks for the input Jenny! I have tested ENTP 7w8 once or thrice.

And that stuff about Fukyo...Jenny, baby, you know how I feel about you.

Now, let's just enjoy a nice *grabs lotion from man-purse*, quiet...*picture of Fukyo helicopters out of pocket*@@@to be continued@@@

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Thanks for the input Jenny! I have tested ENTP 7w8 once or thrice.

I'm not sure about you, but my pitiful attempt at Self triangulation involves conventional psychology as well. Mood swings (which involves more then Fe. Honestly nearly all of cognition in my case); I fluctuate between "healthy" and "unhealthy" characteristics cited at similarminds. You the same for/as a type 7?

4. http://similarminds.com/enneagram/type4.html
7. http://similarminds.com/enneagram/type7.html

 

[snafupants]

I'm not sure about you, but my pitiful attempt at Self triangulation involves conventional psychology as well. Mood swings (which involves more then Fe. Honestly nearly all of cognition in my case); I fluctuate between "healthy" and "unhealthy" characteristics cited at similarminds. You the same for/as a type 7?

4. http://similarminds.com/enneagram/type4.html
7. http://similarminds.com/enneagram/type7.html

@thehabitatdoctor

From those particular characteristics (similarminds), I'm an uneasy combination of four, five, nine, and seven; I guess sevens can be freaky like fours. I just feel that the underlying drives for some types, particularly seven and maybe five, are too general to endorse. I guess it's a matter of degree. How much do you flee from pain and embrace stimulation (seven)? How much do you feel the world's impinging on your privacy (five)? That's kind of the problem - I relate to most types. I hear sixes and nines characteristically relate to all types but...that's probably not happening. I relish the edge I have, which seems un-nine, and I'm not scared shitless of everything, which is un-six (here comes the hate mail from sixes). Would an integrated/self-preserving seven look more like five? I can relate to four's gestalt (although I'm not usually self-consciously individualistic) but maybe ESC is right and I'm not four-dom. Perhaps four is in the tritype and I'm seven. Who knows? Oh, rereading your post, I can definitely be moody. I almost have borderline PD in the way I shift from revering something to knocking it down. Haha, I might hate Enneagram next month.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

From those particular characteristics (similarminds), I'm an uneasy combination of four, five, nine, and seven; I guess sevens can be freaky like fours. I just feel that the underlying drives for some types, particularly seven and maybe five, are too general to endorse. I guess it's a matter of degree. How much do you flee from pain and embrace stimulation (seven)? How much do you feel the world's impinging on your privacy (five)? That's kind of the problem - I relate to most types. I hear sixes and nines characteristically relate to all types but...that's probably not happening. I relish the edge I have, which seems un-nine, and I'm not scared shitless of everything, which is un-six (here comes the hate mail from sixes). Would an integrated/self-preserving seven look more like five? I can relate to four's gestalt (although I'm not usually self-consciously individualistic Neither am I, it's subconscious and simply just feels good.) but maybe ESC is right and I'm not four-dom. Agreed. Perhaps four is in the tritype and I'm seven. Who knows? Oh, rereading your post, I can definitely be moody. I almost have borderline PD in the way I shift from revering something to knocking it down. Haha, I might hate Enneagram next month.

Do you see how the orange can be interpreted as covertly subconscious novelty-seeking, as opposed to indecision? Addicted to possibilities, facilitated by noncommitment...

 

[snafupants]

Do you see how the orange can be interpreted as covertly subconscious novelty-seeking, as opposed to indecision? Addicted to possibilities, facilitated by noncommitment...

@thehabitatdoctor

Insightful post! And you know I like color coding! I might prioritize work based on stimulation (seven), as paradoxical as recreation seems to a paycheck. Haha, I like to try on different hats. This might be the difference between five and seven - I fucking can't read something if it's boring, even if it offers edifying information. Life's too short. I also have this lingering feeling that I mistook dis/integration in the four and seven. When I'm stressed, I can become captious. That's wrong, you're wrong, etc...it really wears me out. This points to seven...seven might not be so bad.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Perhaps four is in the tritype and I'm seven.

I see myself as 457; you as 754 or 745. Though this could definitely be the result of projection. There's a certain similarity between us, yet also a certain communication gap that admittedly usually stems from my mood fluctuations and their impact on my perception, creating cognitive dissonance.

Insightful post! That's right. Krampus is in your brain, laying eggs and licking children... And you know I like color coding! I might prioritize work based on stimulation (seven), as paradoxical as recreation seems to a paycheck. Haha, I like to try on different hats. And other articles of clothing, I'm sure . This points to seven...seven might not be so bad.

 

[snafupants]

I see myself as 457; you as 754 or 745. Though this could definitely be the result of projection. There's a certain similarity between us, yet also a certain communication gap that admittedly usually stems from my mood fluctuations and their impact on my perception, creating cognitive dissonance.

@thehabitatdoctor

Haha, I haven't worn lipstick in years!

There's a certain similarity between us, yet also a certain communication gap that admittedly usually stems from my mood fluctuations and their impact on my perception, creating cognitive dissonance.

This calls to mind the disturbing interplay of Will (cop) and Francis (killer) in Red Dragon.

Which are you?

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

This calls to mind the disturbing interplay of Will (cop) and Francis (killer) in Red Dragon.

Which are you?

After a quick Google, I'm a fan of Francis.

Haha, I haven't worn lipstick in years!

There are plenty of other things I've picked up from your habit of wishy-washy wavering profile updates that support type 7 as well. Turophily et al.

 

[snafupants]

@thehabitatdoctor

After a quick Google, I'm a fan of Francis.

I haven't seen the movie but Thomas Harris painted Francis as almost an ISTP type eight in a devilish Ti-Ni loop. Francis would kill with impunity, which suggests low/dormant Fe (but he wanted to love a cohort/somewhat girlfriend...inferior function challenge), and he had this overarching vision of "becoming" William Blake's dragon (Ni). Francis' macabre machinations near the book's end and basic thinking displayed throughout seemed very Ti in nature. Francis also seemed preoccupied with physical prowess (Se) as a psychological countermeasure against feeling helpless. Francis, like many enneagram eights, had a history of sexual and emotional abuse...in truth, THD, I soldered a similar link while plowing through the novel...especially concerning the weird thought patterns and emotional disturbances...sans the abuse. It's an awesome book, though, and you feel somewhat insane reading these Ti-Ni thoughts...because they're highly idiosyncratic and impressionistic and animal savage.

There are plenty of other things I've picked up from your habit of wishy-washy wavering profile updates that support type 7 as well. Turophily et al.

Fair enough.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I haven't seen the movie but Thomas Harris painted Francis as almost an ISTP type eight in a devilish Ti-Ni loop. Francis would kill with impunity, which suggests low/dormant Fe (but he wanted to love a cohort/somewhat girlfriend...inferior function challenge), and he had this overarching vision of "becoming" William Blake's dragon (Ni). Francis' macabre machinations near the book's end and basic thinking displayed throughout seemed very Ti in nature. Francis also seemed preoccupied with physical prowess as a psychological countermeasure against feeling helpless. Francis, like many enneagram eights, had a history of sexual and emotional abuse...in truth, THD, I soldered a similar link while plowing through the novel...especially concerning the weird thought patterns and emotional disturbances...sans the abuse. It's an awesome book, though, and you feel somewhat insane reading these Ti-Ni thoughts...because they're highly idiosyncratic and impressionistic and animal savage

This resonates so very much with schizoaffective.

I believe I saw maybe 30 minutes of the movie (in the midst of dad's channel-flipping). I could see Francis being someone stuck in the unhealthy similarminds descriptors of type 4, though I find most fictional characters aren't easily pigeonholed. 847 INFJ/ISTP?

Otherwise I can feel the coggy D kicking in, as I'm starting to feel progressively less insightful. I'm going to go grab some coffee (having started my day at 11pm). Seeya Snafuluffagus.

 

[snafupants]

@thehabitatdoctor

This resonates so very much with schizoaffective.

I believe I saw maybe 30 minutes of the movie (in the midst of dad's channel-flipping). I could see Francis being someone stuck in the unhealthy similarminds descriptors of type 4, though I find most fictional characters aren't easily pigeonholed. 847 INFJ/ISTP?

Otherwise I can feel the coggy D kicking in, as I'm starting to feel progressively less insightful. I'm going to go grab some coffee (having started my day at 11pm). Seeya Snafuluffagus.

As I understand it, Ralph Fiennes played Francis in the 2002 movie. I have heard that Ralph (great name) is INFJ so...hopefully, that doesn't color things.

Actually, type four is what I originally wrote. Francis' focus on power demands eight-dom though. It's not about individuality through power it's about power through expression. The overarching goal is Ni dream culmination via cunning, self-mastery (five integrated to eight?) and aggression.

That said, I believe Francis' tritype may be 468. It's hard to type psychopaths!

I feel most comfortable about the heart (4) and body (8) center typings. Unlike a three in the heart/image center, Francis doesn't care about general recognition. He wants to express himself and achieve his personal dream (Ni/4).

I'm really close to saying four. Francis has a hairlip and he breaks mirrors in the homes of eventually murdered families. Definite self-image issues. See, but I feel it relates back to the abuse...it seems more about power/control over personal issues than the issues themselves.

Haha, OK, see ya. I might have some coffee soon as well.

Edit: 11 PM...I started at, maybe, 5 PM haha. I've already written five articles. Go me. Oh, I've given up any semblance of order but Manhunter is the other Red Dragon adaptation.

 

[snafupants]

I posted this recently on THD's wall...thought I'd share.

I'm somewhat drunk right now from sleep deprivation so I can't vouch for anything.

In some respects, I suppose I only needed more robust definitions to make the call.

snafupants
Honestly, aside from glimmers of verisimilitude from Dario Nardi and Personality Junkie, this is the first Ni description that really resonated with me...that's what Ni is...

Ni-dominance focuses on what remains after you strip down everything to its bare-bone essentials, minus culture, tradition, religious influence, regional differences, etc. and uses this focus to create a definite map of how to reach certain Je-based goals.
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Today 09:07 AMsnafupants
Also, the below is how I usually operate. It's really accurate.

Ni-dominance has very little to do with intellect, or the spiritual, or the supernatural - it has to do with rejecting everything around you in order to create a completely insular view of reality that you form by finding certain patterns in how the world works.

I really hate getting bogged down in particulars. Epictetus' and Plato's discussion of universals and particulars factors into this...
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Today 09:06 AMsnafupants
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http://www.infjs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18320

The above article sealed the deal on Ni-dom and INTJ. Haha, I completely commit the Ni-doorslam when someone's utility runs out. I wasn't sure before whether that demonstrated Ne or Ni more...and I definitely favor the latter here...

Fe/Ti: Everyone should have equal social position, but internally be more or less efficient at their individual talents.

Te/Fi: Everyone should have the social position they deserve based on objective testing/criteria, but internally be at peace with themselves and their worth.