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First impression: This website is horrible to navigate ;(

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First impression: This website is horrible to navigate ;(

I can't find any profile edit options. I want a signature and a profile picture, can't find how to change these, also navigating back and forth between sub-forums is not at all intuitive as far as I've so far witnessed.

Far too much clutter and the important links don't stand out.
 

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Waaaaa waaaa. Have you tried the 'User CP' option? Just below 'Home'.


Maybe you are not as intuitive as you thought :evil:.
 
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Waaaaa waaaa. Have you tried the 'User CP' option? Just below 'Home'.


Maybe you are not as intuitive as you thought :evil:.

I score 85% intuitive, I rekn I'm as intuitive as any. My first thought response to "waaaa waaaa" was to take offence, my second responce was mild annoyance/anger at the interpretted childlike nature of the 'statement'(for lack of a better word), 3rd and final settled idea was intrigue. Am I guilty of similar condesention at times? Was it your intention to cause offence?
 

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Well, this is going well....sigh.

It's just a version of vbulletin, an older version. Usercp is on the left, you can get to PMs from the top right.

Many sites use different versions and thus have slightly different layouts than others.
 

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First impression: This website is horrible to navigate ;(

I can't find any profile edit options. I want a signature and a profile picture, can't find how to change these, also navigating back and forth between sub-forums is not at all intuitive as far as I've so far witnessed.

Far too much clutter and the important links don't stand out.

Uh, actually the relevant controls are quite visible, really in the "eyelevel"

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which stands for user control panel. In the column on the left, you have all these functions you seek.
 

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New user. First post. Complaint. Win!
 
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Hang on, peeps. There's still something there to salvage.

Unless we just want to kill it with fire... :twisteddevil:
 

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Condescension and ridicule are par for the course. I'm always pleasantly surprised when members respond with useful answers to these sort of complaints questions. Although it really isn't unusual for this forum.

*heart bursting with parental pride*
 
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I apologise. I'll admit that there was very little time and thought put into the complaint. I just couldn't find add profile picture, nor add signature, nor track/subscribe to threads. ftr I still havn't found subscribe to threads. user cp I didn't realise that this meant ctrl pnL. And my rather ambiguous to read 2nd (or 1st depending on frame of reference) was just me expressing curiosity with perhaps ill concidered words.
Now thats out of the way. I still am not much of a fan of the layout of this website :). I stand by it being cluttery and not wonderful to navigate (could be worse).
 

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The forum IS overcategorized. You've probably lost some potential new users because they didn't know of the "new posts" button, it's something that should be changed.
 

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The forum IS overcategorized. You've probably lost some potential new users because they didn't know of the "new posts" button, it's something that should be changed.

The New Posts button (along with Today's Posts) are pretty useful buttons.

Pretty much in any vBull setting, that is what I use 90-95% of the time. I rarely skim the actual forum tree.
 
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@somfoolishfoole. There are always two choices. You can hit the "New Posts" selection and go with the flow of the present. Or you can be more purposeful and select "Home" and move along the tree branches, pondering the nature of their organization.

I almost forgot. You can ignore the past and present and choose to create a new thread of your own thus becoming the master of your own wishes.
 
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pi= 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841957169 this is from memory without cheating :D. (ur {bigapplepi} avatar was the inspiration for this post if you are wondering.
 

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Tertiary Si much? Geez, I'm not even sure of the first three decimals, it's just not worth spending time on.
 
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Free IQ test

What is with these crazy INTP types making random statements with complete ambiguity as to the intended meaning?
 

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Then I became the biggest dinosaur a penguin could be. :D
 

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Tertiary Si much? Geez, I'm not even sure of the first three decimals, it's just not worth spending time on.

3.14 is basic, 3.14159 is accurate enough to me. I do agree that the rest is a waste of time. That being said, knowing atleast a decent guess is definitely worth it's time... Not knowing the first three digits is sad. Lack of Ti much? <;

What is with these crazy INTP types making random statements with complete ambiguity as to the intended meaning?

Thanks. :o
 

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My comment was the second test question
 
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to which test are you refferring. what was the 1st question. free IQ test is a statement, not a question
 

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3.14 is basic, 3.14159 is accurate enough to me. I do agree that the rest is a waste of time. That being said, knowing atleast a decent guess is definitely worth it's time... Not knowing the first three digits is sad. Lack of Ti much? <;



Thanks. :o

Tertiary Ti much : D
 

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3.14 is basic, 3.14159 is accurate enough to me. I do agree that the rest is a waste of time. That being said, knowing atleast a decent guess is definitely worth it's time...
Did you know that Pi is not a random number? It is exactly Pi and no other number is like that. Yet the digits on down the line have been tested as to be completely random. How do you like that?

That can be applied (a stretch) to the subject of this thread. This website like Pi is like it is. But if you navigate it randomly you may make discoveries you will not expect or predict.
 

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Did you know that Pi is not a random number? It is exactly Pi and no other number is like that. Yet the digits on down the line have been tested as to be completely random. How do you like that?

I'm aware :)
 
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Did you know that Pi is not a random number? It is exactly Pi and no other number is like that. Yet the digits on down the line have been tested as to be completely random. How do you like that?

That can be applied (a stretch) to the subject of this thread. This website like Pi is like it is. But if you navigate it randomly you may make discoveries you will not expect or predict.

I used to believe there was no such thing as random, I thought random was merely a lack of understanding of all the variables involved. I was an "absolute determinist". I believed that from the moment the universe started, everything was predetermined by chain reaction of events, right down to each thought you have. It's a shame that many people who are smarter than me (physicists and such) think determinism to be provably false. I enjoyed the doctrine of absolute determinism, it gave everything a sence of order and logic.
stupid radioactive atoms proving my fun wrong.
 

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I used to believe there was no such thing as random, I thought random was merely a lack of understanding of all the variables involved. I was an "absolute determinist". I believed that from the moment the universe started, everything was predetermined by chain reaction of events, right down to each thought you have. It's a shame that many people who are smarter than me (physicists and such) think determinism to be provably false. I enjoyed the doctrine of absolute determinism, it gave everything a sence of order and logic.
stupid radioactive atoms proving my fun wrong.
I think you're making a point I've thought about incompletely. How to define "random"? Certainly the digits of Pi are determined. There is no ambiguity. Thems are Pi's and stay that way. So "random" yet must have some meaning. I think it's a perspective. That is, from the perspective of choosing digits outside of the Pi ratio, there is no relation known for those digits. Each digit occurs with 1 in 10 probability, pairs occur with 1 in 100, triplets with 1 in 1000, etc. It's like saying the Pi ratio has nothing to do with choice of digits.

It's no surprise your weight has nothing to do with my height ... or does it? That is, does one in ANY way determine the other?
 
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I think you're making a point I've thought about incompletely. How to define "random"? Certainly the digits of Pi are determined. There is no ambiguity. Thems are Pi's and stay that way. So "random" yet must have some meaning. I think it's a perspective. That is, from the perspective of choosing digits outside of the Pi ratio, there is no relation known for those digits. Each digit occurs with 1 in 10 probability, pairs occur with 1 in 100, triplets with 1 in 1000, etc. It's like saying the Pi ratio has nothing to do with choice of digits.

It's no surprise your weight has nothing to do with my height ... or does it? That is, does one in ANY way determine the other?

does my weight have anything to do with ur height? no. why would it? I was following right until the end when u went off to some metaphor and never returned.
 

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Did you know that Pi is not a random number? It is exactly Pi and no other number is like that. Yet the digits on down the line have been tested as to be completely random. How do you like that?

I thought about these things before, and you had me think them over again.

I see Pi as a ratio. A conversion factor between straight and curved lengths. The ratio between radians and general numbers. In a way it's no diffrent than conversions between units, such as pounds and grams. You don't expect there to be a nice value, it's a bunch of seemingly arbitrairy digits. Likewise I don't find it very suprising that there is no order to be found in the digits of pi. The only diffrence is that Pi is a purely mathetimatical concept, where as units in science are closer related to reality. (scientific units are less abstract than mathematical units?)

What suprises me isn't that pi's digits are seemingly random. What suprises me is how reoccuring pi is. It comes back in places I'd never expect it, places that have nothing to do with eachother. The gamma function is a continuous variant of the faculty function (!) used in statistics. It's value at 1/2? The square root of pi.

Another thing that suprises me is how there are so few fundamental numbers. Pi, i and e are all I could come up with. Most other numbers either don't seem important or can be expressed in terms of these fundamental ones and regular numbers.

Now I'm not sure whether or not to count i, the imaginary 'unit'. In a way it's not a number, it's a unit. Then again it expresses exactly what I mean. It's the conversion factor between regular and imaginary numbers, just like Pi is the conversion factor between regular numbers and radians.

Just like Pi, e is transcendental number. It occurs naturally, and it occurs frequently in ways that seemingly have no relation to eachother. For example :

d(a^x)/dx = B* a^x.
(df/dx used for derivation). This means that the derivation of a^x is itself times an arbitrairy number B. e is the number 'a' so that d(e^x)/dx = e^x, that is to say the number B becomes 1 and the derivate of e^x is itself. It is this property that makes e (and e^x) so important.

Yet at the same time, this number can be expressed through the simple series :

e= 1 + 1/1 + 1/(1*2) + 1/(1*2*3) + 1/(1*2*3*4) + ... (= aproximately 2.7)

And then there's the way how these fundamentals are connected. Eulers equation is the best example of this.

e^(i*Pi) = -1

Now look at it in terms of digits. How does 2.718^(3.14159*i) = -1. It makes no sense if you look at it this way. It makes sense when you look at the properties of the numbers. Digits don't matter, they're only one representation, something you see on the surface.

I realise I've gone completely offtopic. However, considering the original topic was a complaint about how this forum is hard to find your way around, I guess i've proven OP's point by derailing into maths... For these reasons I hope this paragraph counts as a get-out-of-jail-free-card for derailing. :D

Edit : somehow, Pi managed to occur in a complaint thread. It does really show up everywhere!
 

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does my weight have anything to do with ur height? no. why would it? I was following right until the end when u went off to some metaphor and never returned.
Not a metaphor. See as follows. I will assume boundaries of height and weight for human beings. I will assume both of us are close to being actually human. As soon as you name your weight, you have determined how human beings should weigh even within a factor of ten. (Adult weight, eliminating infants.) Humans can only have certain heights given that weight. Therefore my height must fall within those heights.

If this is confusing, here is an exceptional example. An adult whale weighs a lot. Once you have that weight you know other adult whales can't be as small as 2 inches by 2 inches by 2 inches. See what I mean?
 
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