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Feminism: Oppression or Victim Mentality?

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No offense, but your sense of entitlement on how bad you have it is honestly laughable. If you live in the US and own your own home, you are probably in the top 1% of wealth in the world. You don't have a legitimate claim to complain and it just smacks of general unthankfulness for what you have and entitlement.
So suddenly people living on social security to start thanking God for receiving whatever it is that they got of their trash lifestyle? You are automatically poor when the society in general has more than you do no matter what those things are in question. Because the set standard of lifestyle carries the dominant narrative of 'good living' with it so naturally people at the bottom of the societies are viciously discriminated against when it comes to fair distribution of goods. It's not like you are not poor when your neighborhood has 1000 floor towers and you have a 2 floor bungalow?

A lot of people are looking for an excuse to complain when they actually have it very well. Tying this into the actual thread somewhat, there are a lot of rich white kids in college who think they are oppressed even though they go to the best schools in the world and don't have any semblance of any real problems at all. So your comment about the oppressed Olympics is very apt.
And what makes not complaining any better? I don't understand how you are supposed to be any happier by denying yourself the very freedom of expressing your gripes. I don't see any correlation between whining more and being more miserable in general when it is not pathological. My roommate is very much like you in this regard. And it takes a toll on him probably more than it takes a toll on me. Complaining in coping and without coping, one's doused in self-denial and masochism. People with such unhealthy levels of acceptance, according to me, are much more at risk than anybody else. They have internalized the slavish mentality so bad that even genuine complaints cause them to get irked because of their resignation that bothers them every single day.
 

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I contend that most people today believe in things like these claims, because they watch internet videos and the media, and just accept what they are told because they are told that it comes from "science", without ever questioning if the science, i.e. actual evidence, actually supports the claims of the media.
Not sure how you are reaching that conclusion but my claims are empirically supported
Empirical support means having evidence that do not require trusting what you or anyone else says. Do you have any evidence that doesn't require me trusting you,
Ginette Azcona, Antra Bhatt, or anyone else you can find online that happens to agree with you?
 

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The people voted for Trump. Recent years has shown what happens when the people don't vote the way the political elite want them to.

Under Obama, the unemployment rate was 10 percent. Thus Trump.

What happens when it reaches 40%?

Not only are jobs at risk at the bottom but at the top and middle.

No there is no way the military of 2 million can take on 40 million with guns in America. That would lead to a coup and mass desertion.

They could not build enough robots in time to stop this.

The only solution is to make robots free to everyone.
 

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Oh but it was kinda funny when guys got triggered that Daddy is expresing themselves. So two Inferior Fi Quasars immeditialy started deminishing ridiculing and siliencing. What a disgrace. Not like me the Christ with cross and Sisyphus with Foreverstone. How someone dare to speak up for themselves and be emotional! SOMEONE HAVE IT WORSE! Shut up shut up! Oh no it can start something in me!

Now lie down in cross /number e possition, Weaklings.

Yes, OldPastor you are too dimm to get it, just like all ESTJs are.
yes, i get triggered by men who whine about trivial things. Why is that unacceptable?
 

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No offense, but your sense of entitlement on how bad you have it is honestly laughable. If you live in the US and own your own home, you are probably in the top 1% of wealth in the world. You don't have a legitimate claim to complain and it just smacks of general unthankfulness for what you have and entitlement.
So suddenly people living on social security to start thanking God for receiving whatever it is that they got of their trash lifestyle? You are automatically poor when the society in general has more than you do no matter what those things are in question. Because the set standard of lifestyle carries the dominant narrative of 'good living' with it so naturally people at the bottom of the societies are viciously discriminated against when it comes to fair distribution of goods. It's not like you are not poor when your neighborhood has 1000 floor towers and you have a 2 floor bungalow?

A lot of people are looking for an excuse to complain when they actually have it very well. Tying this into the actual thread somewhat, there are a lot of rich white kids in college who think they are oppressed even though they go to the best schools in the world and don't have any semblance of any real problems at all. So your comment about the oppressed Olympics is very apt.
And what makes not complaining any better? I don't understand how you are supposed to be any happier by denying yourself the very freedom of expressing your gripes. I don't see any correlation between whining more and being more miserable in general when it is not pathological. My roommate is very much like you in this regard. And it takes a toll on him probably more than it takes a toll on me. Complaining in coping and without coping, one's doused in self-denial and masochism. People with such unhealthy levels of acceptance, according to me, are much more at risk than anybody else. They have internalized the slavish mentality so bad that even genuine complaints cause them to get irked because of their resignation that bothers them every single day.

Complaining is a negative thing. I try to stay positive. And I realize it will not always be sunshine and rainbows for me but at this point, my life is pretty good. I don't need the latest phone to be happy. In the words of Bob Marley before he died, "Money cannot buy happiness." That's why most people when they are rich and have problems their problems are more psychological or emotional and not based on any real need. Ever heard of a spoiled brat who is always unhappy? It's because they are unthankful because they can have literally whatever they want. Read the book of Ecclesiastes which has some wisdom about life in regard to wealth.
 

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yes, i get triggered by men who whine about trivial things. Why is that unacceptable
Maybe you have reasons to be triggered. That is not for me to judge. However poking in wounds when someone opens up is rude.
And I disagree that what Daddy described was trivial.
 

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you know, there is actually an interesting aspect to this in the wider context of this thread

as many men can probably attest to, when you grow up as a man you quickly learn that
1: no one actually gives two turds about your feelings
2: you have to claw your way to everything you have, including happiness and perhaps even things like love
3: if you complain, people will spit in your face (especially women)
4: society, government etc, will definitely not help you but rather try to hold you back

the problem becomes that when you have internalized these facts and just accept them as parts of life, when you encounter a man who hasn't - and suffered the consequences of not doing so - it is impossible to indulge them in self-pity without being disingenuous.

you have a big heart @washti, i know that about you. But it's a too rare thing to being accustomed to for poor bastards like myself and many others
 

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Wow this thread devolve to drama within 5 post. These post are genuinely hilarious and watching guys throw the most edgy quips on eachother's face is one of the selling points of this site for me.

Anyway, I'm gonna stick true to the INTP in INTPForum and try to adress the main issue here and identify when a system is genuinely oppresive toward woman and when its not.

Tldr: True equality isn't when inequality of results, but when there's equality of Oppurtunity. Any deviation is Oppression/discrimination.

Brought to you by Conservative right wing gang.
but there is a universal empirical consensus on the fact that women in general experience higher levels of poverty, violence and economic discrimination.
While it is true that females generally are more represented under the poverty line then male, I don't think its because of intended oppression but just a sociologic and economic consequence of biology.

Generally the poverty rate of female and male is bassically proportional, the global difference is less than 1%, while its higher for females in extreme poverty I think its because in the lowest rungs of economic ladder physical force which a men can assert is more valued. Difference in pure Income is also a trend, but females get pregnant, get periods, less physically strong, and have the traditional role of taking care of children.

I'm not sure about the Violence part, males are the majority of victims of crime and violence, not to mention war; out of the 229,000 Americans that died from WW2, 543 were females.

While it is true that females discrimination definitely exist. I think that since there are unquestionable physiological and psychological difference between the sexes, therore it is only natural that given even identical treatment between the two would show results of differing social and economic ramifications.

For Example; if females and male are given a flat 10$ an hour in a certain profession no matter the circumstances, then men will still make more in 10 years time since female take more leaves on average.

A system which maximize the results of naturally unequal competition will inanvertedly discriminate against men, since it has to subsidize woman exclusively, either by giving female more money, or giving them quota for STEM majors in Uni, or by Affirmitive Action Programs, all are done in the expense of males. This is discrimination on men.

Western 4th wave Feminism is just a load of victim mentality crap, complaining why there aren't higher percentage of females in CEO, billionares, Politicians, etc, without asking how many woman even actually apply or are qualified to those position compared to men.

And anybody complaining about oppression in this enviroment are either self deluded or just opportunistic liars.

That being said, the differing results ought to be caused by differing preferences based on natural predispositions of the two sexes, and though preferences of the collective can be meassured in statistics, individually people are different and limiting their choices are true discrimination.
 

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For Example; if females and male are given a flat 10$ an hour in a certain profession no matter the circumstances, then men will still make more in 10 years time since female take more leaves on average.
But the company will lose out more by jeopardizing their employees' well being. Capitalism is grossly ineffective because it tries to measure performance albeit too mechanically whilst ignoring the long term consequences.


A system which maximize the results of naturally unequal competition will inanvertedly discriminate against men, since it has to subsidize woman exclusively, either by giving female more money, or giving them quota for STEM majors in Uni, or by Affirmitive Action Programs, all are done in the expense of males. This is discrimination on men.
If you fix the issue at the lowest rung - poverty, illiteracy, domestic violence, thete will
 

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I'm not sure about the Violence part, males are the majority of victims of crime and violence, not to mention war; out of the 229,000 Americans that died from WW2, 543 were females.
Males also cause the majority of their self-harm. The figures would have been the same had non-heteromales been selected too. Non-heteromales are more victims than perps in a majority of these criminal statistics.


I think that since there are unquestionable physiological and psychological difference between the sexes, therore it is only natural that given even identical treatment between the two would show results of differing social and economic ramifications.
We are far beyond the agricultural era. Psychologically and physiologically women and other genders are at par since the inception of mankind itself. There is no requirement for having a gigachad physique. Come to this sodden developing country called India and you'll figure how women have more or less equal and in many cases more participation in extremely labour intensive occupations such as construction working and agriculture. The points you are raising about women's biological haplessness is a cultural development that happened after the invention of agriculture - the purported genesis of sexism. It's true that women don't boast larger physiques in general but that is simply a product of patriarchy wherein women were disallowed from doing sports or any physically demanding activity in the popular sphere. You put women in sports and gyms, I am sure they will beat up a majority of men of their size or more with ease. Women gain muscles and strength with greater ease. I am pretty sure an African peasant woman can easily beat up any gigachad Hollywood heteromale with relative ease. Physique is also a function of environmental adaptability. People living in the hilly regions are short and stout but have tremendously more endurance and strength that offsets their meek appearance. The requirement for a sculpted body is nothing but a stupid propaganda. There is no work on earth that requires you to only seem physically larger and fitter without actually testing the endurance of the person in question. I can bet Dwayne Johnson and Drunk Dom can even run 100 metres without collapsing like a cur.


Western 4th wave Feminism is just a load of victim mentality crap, complaining why there aren't higher percentage of females in CEO, billionares, Politicians, etc, without asking how many woman even actually apply or are qualified to those position compared to men.
Becoming a CEO, a politician or a Billionaire has nothing to do with exceptional skill and more to do with circumstances which are unfavourably biased towards heteromales. Their arguments are completely valid. You don't need any kind of skill to become a leader - just some political smartness and tonnes of luck on your side.


as many men can probably attest to, when you grow up as a man you quickly learn that
1: no one actually gives two turds about your feelings
2: you have to claw your way to everything you have, including happiness and perhaps even things like love
3: if you complain, people will spit in your face (especially women)
4: society, government etc, will definitely not help you but rather try to hold you back
That's exactly the same thing I hear from all genders. I don't think this is a heteromale thing.


Ever heard of a spoiled brat who is always unhappy? It's because they are unthankful because they can have literally whatever they want. Read the book of Ecclesiastes which has some wisdom about life in regard to weal
Spoilt brats are a minority. Societal complaints need to be taken seriously. You should not be thanking any divine entity when your providence is coming from humankind itself, God has nothing to do with it.


Empirical support means having evidence that do not require trusting what you or anyone else says. Do you have any evidence that doesn't require me trusting you,
Ginette Azcona, Antra Bhatt, or anyone else you can find online that happens to agree with you?
No need to go online. Pick up any census and you'll find evidence there. If first-world states' have a rosy view of this, any developing country's census should show you
 

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as many men can probably attest to, when you grow up as a man you quickly learn that
1: no one actually gives two turds about your feelings
2: you have to claw your way to everything you have, including happiness and perhaps even things like love
3: if you complain, people will spit in your face (especially women)
4: society, government etc, will definitely not help you but rather try to hold you back
That's exactly the same thing I hear from all genders. I don't think this is a heteromale thing.
not long ago men's issues somehow made their way to front pages of newspapers here in norway and guess what happened; they got told to STFU and start talking about women's issues instead. Lots of angry women came out of the woodworks asking how they even dared to raise these issues. This is in a society where you would be hard-pressed to find any domain where women are not the privileged class.

but - if you are speaking from the perspective of where you live (I believe India?), then the situation is probably wildly different in terms of women's rights, and from your local perspective you might be right.
 

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But the company will lose out more by jeopardizing their employees' well being. Capitalism is grossly ineffective because it tries to measure performance albeit too mechanically whilst ignoring the long term consequences.
You know the saying by Curchil How Democracy is the Worst type of Government? Well if Capitalism is Grossly ineffective it is the least so compared to other economic system.

I don't see any Socialist countries anywhere in the world, beside NK, even if you assume that it is a Utopia it quantitatively fail againts capitalism.
The figures would have been the same had non-heteromales been selected too. Non-heteromales are more victims than perps in a majority of these criminal statistics.
If Hetero males increase the statistics of violence toward male in general then does that mean the figure would lean more toward the inequality between the figures of both sexes?

Or that non-hetero males shouldn't be classified as males?
Psychologically and physiologically women and other genders are at par since the inception of mankind itself. There is no requirement for having a gigachad physique. Come to this sodden developing country called India and you'll figure how women have more or less equal and in many cases more participation in extremely labour intensive occupations such as construction working and agriculture.
This is a bizzare assertion.

Men and woman does have Physiological difference, I'm not gonna post scientific studies since I think this is as obvious as earth's rotation around the.

Psychologically this has also been proven to be true, given the freedom of choice men and woman choose different occupations, interest, and generally have different temprament. Chemically the male and female brain is different in a Medical sense.
The points you are raising about women's biological haplessness is a cultural development that happened after the invention of agriculture - the purported genesis of sexism. It's true that women don't boast larger physiques in general but that is simply a product of patriarchy wherein women were disallowed from doing sports or any physically demanding activity in the popular sphere. You put women in sports and gyms, I am sure they will beat up a majority of men of their size or more with ease. Women gain muscles and strength with greater ease. I am pretty sure an African peasant woman can easily beat up any gigachad Hollywood heteromale with relative ease.
What the fuck?

Male human skeleton have broader shoulder, mlre height, narrower hips, and higher bone density/mass compared to female. Their heart and lung have bigger capacity. Male muscle is pumped with more testorone. Female have ehhr, different implements between their legs, and female are equiped with a set of milking apparatus.

Idk about India, but this is like Middle School biology here.

I'm not saying this discriminatively of females, infact I'm very fond of them. But these are scientific facts.

I go to the Gym atleast twice a week and male deffinitely build more muscle easier and pound per pound almoat absolutely stronger than female.
Becoming a CEO, a politician or a Billionaire has nothing to do with exceptional skill and more to do with circumstances which are unfavourably biased towards heteromales. Their arguments are completely valid. You don't need any kind of skill to become a leader - just some political smartness and tonnes of luck on your side.
Isn't political smartness a skill?

Yeah I disagree with all your statements here. Being a leader require shit loads of skills, speaking both from experience and data. They need recourse management ability, ability to connect with people emotionally as to manipulate the mases, they need desiciveness, and a little bit of Machiavelli-ness.

Not everyone has this.
 

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Yeah I disagree with all your statements here. Being a leader require shit loads of skills, speaking both from experience and data.
It's still procedural in nature. Do the procedure and you can hope for results. Of course counting out even trying is inane?
 

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It's still procedural in nature. Do the procedure and you can hope for results.

working on a.i. I found out that creativity requires internal and external reflection.

yes if a then b but p(q) = (x | y) * p

an algorithm is only as good as what it can predict not what is done but what is discovered it can do in new situations before it is implemented. Hypothesise then test. Ask questions then proceed.

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side note: the anterior cingulate cortex is about 5 times more efficient in women because they need to multitask. this means paying and switching attention so that the 5 kids do not run in the street, drink liquids under the sink, and what to do next in random order.
 

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This is a bizzare assertion.
At par when you take effectiveness into account. Of course they are distinct but that does not cause irreconciliable difference that would warrant discrimination against either genders
pretty sure you made the claim that men and women were physically equals by nature - "since the inception of mankind" - and that any present difference is attributable to patriarchy.

no weaseling out of this
 

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side note: the anterior cingulate cortex is about 5 times more efficient in women because they need to multitask. this means paying and switching attention so that the 5 kids do not run in the street, drink liquids under the sink, and what to do next in random order.
yes indeed, and it also makes them very good at complaining about many things simultaneously
 

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side note: the anterior cingulate cortex is about 5 times more efficient in women because they need to multitask. this means paying and switching attention so that the 5 kids do not run in the street, drink liquids under the sink, and what to do next in random order.

This is an abnormally large gender difference. I'd be interested to hear where you got this information?
 

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This is an abnormally large gender difference. I'd be interested to hear where you got this information?


5. Attention allocation: The ACC is also the brain area that helps us decide which tasks or events get priority attention by helping our brains evaluate the value of our options.


A 2014 meta-analysis found (where differences were measured) some differences in grey matter levels between the sexes.

The findings included females having more grey matter volume in the right frontal pole, inferior and middle frontal gyrus, pars triangularis, planum temporale/parietal operculum, anterior cingulate gyrus, insular cortex, and Heschl's gyrus; both thalami and precuneus; the left parahippocampal gyrus and lateral occipital cortex (superior division).[3] Larger volumes in females were most pronounced in areas in the right hemisphere related to language in addition to several limbic structures such as the right insular cortex and anterior cingulate gyrus.[3]
 

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By definition, not being a feminist is kinda fucked up.

I think it's a cause worth cheering for.

They role in their cliques and squads, like men, and find dining and events worth going to. Are they celebrating feminism?
 

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This is an abnormally large gender difference. I'd be interested to hear where you got this information?


5. Attention allocation: The ACC is also the brain area that helps us decide which tasks or events get priority attention by helping our brains evaluate the value of our options.


A 2014 meta-analysis found (where differences were measured) some differences in grey matter levels between the sexes.

The findings included females having more grey matter volume in the right frontal pole, inferior and middle frontal gyrus, pars triangularis, planum temporale/parietal operculum, anterior cingulate gyrus, insular cortex, and Heschl's gyrus; both thalami and precuneus; the left parahippocampal gyrus and lateral occipital cortex (superior division).[3] Larger volumes in females were most pronounced in areas in the right hemisphere related to language in addition to several limbic structures such as the right insular cortex and anterior cingulate gyrus.[3]
Yes but specifically the 5x number. I expect a bunch of small differences, but a 5x difference is a big headline, especially in an area like multitasking where the evidence is mostly unclear.
 

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side note: the anterior cingulate cortex is about 5 times more efficient in women because they need to multitask. this means paying and switching attention so that the 5 kids do not run in the street, drink liquids under the sink, and what to do next in random order.
yes indeed, and it also makes them very good at complaining about many things simultaneously
Based on this we can infer that @dr froyd is currently married or was formarly so. XP
 

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you know, there is actually an interesting aspect to this in the wider context of this thread

as many men can probably attest to, when you grow up as a man you quickly learn that
1: no one actually gives two turds about your feelings
2: you have to claw your way to everything you have, including happiness and perhaps even things like love
3: if you complain, people will spit in your face (especially women)
4: society, government etc, will definitely not help you but rather try to hold you back

the problem becomes that when you have internalized these facts and just accept them as parts of life, when you encounter a man who hasn't - and suffered the consequences of not doing so - it is impossible to indulge them in self-pity without being disingenuous.

you have a big heart @washti, i know that about you. But it's a too rare thing to being accustomed to for poor bastards like myself and many others
Do you think yourself bigger man cause you suck it up? Internalizing shit is the most unhealthy - you carry poisonous propaganda willingly inside and think it must be like this. Aren't you acting same like those people who spat in your face (especially women)? Joined the chorus, eh?

It seems like you wanna stay a 'poor bastard' and perciving it as a permanent disposition.
Thanks for big heart remark. It's quite true occasionally.
 

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By definition, not being a feminist is kinda fucked up.

I think it's a cause worth cheering for
The problem with "Feminist" and "Feminism" is that the term in itself is completely devoid of any technical meaning; It just convey a moral objective of the equality between the sexes without any elaboration on how that equality ought to be achieved or even meassured.

For Example, even the most mysoginistic policy based on rational standards are justified based on the narrative that these policies are for the well-being of woman.

You wanna force woman to wear hijab or even the niqab? Well that's to prevent men to stop mentallu sexualizing woman, so that they can stand as an equal.

Preventing woman from going to school? Mashallah, why would woman need school and high education? Woman's greatest purpose in life is to make kids and take care of the household, any distraction that will prevent from this is denigrating woman.

An Islamic Wahabist Schoolar called Deobandi-Wahabist Islam the most 'Feminist Religion'.

That's why I think 'feminism' is just an empty term these days, if people disagree on the term to describe a rock, some people think some rocks are in fact rocks and some aren't while other disagree, and then they start to call a bird a rock, then the word rock has lost all its meaning.
 

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Do you think yourself bigger man cause you suck it up?
I think it's a good principle to carry as a man, yes.

whenever bad shit happens to me, I pull out my Seneca book and/or try to think what lead me into this situation. If necessary I type everything out to make it yet clearer. Some fool telling me "that really sucks, bro" is of no value to me. And I have to say it's a very nice way to live – it makes for a very robust apparatus. The notion that you need to spill it all onto other people in order to prevent a buildup pain and resentment inside, to me, is simply not the case. In fact I think it is counterproductive because it leads you away from self-sufficient methods of dealing with things.

I also should say I don't have resentment towards women, it's just that I know for a fact that most women find it highly unattractive when men complain. Nothing wrong with that, it's just nature.
 
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feminism failed women, and those women failed men, and those men are failing society as a whole.
and thats the sum of my generation in a sentence.
 

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By definition, not being a feminist is kinda fucked up.

I think it's a cause worth cheering for
The problem with "Feminist" and "Feminism" is that the term in itself is completely devoid of any technical meaning; It just convey a moral objective of the equality between the sexes without any elaboration on how that equality ought to be achieved or even meassured.

For Example, even the most mysoginistic policy based on rational standards are justified based on the narrative that these policies are for the well-being of woman.

You wanna force woman to wear hijab or even the niqab? Well that's to prevent men to stop mentallu sexualizing woman, so that they can stand as an equal.

Preventing woman from going to school? Mashallah, why would woman need school and high education? Woman's greatest purpose in life is to make kids and take care of the household, any distraction that will prevent from this is denigrating woman.

An Islamic Wahabist Schoolar called Deobandi-Wahabist Islam the most 'Feminist Religion'.

That's why I think 'feminism' is just an empty term these days, if people disagree on the term to describe a rock, some people think some rocks are in fact rocks and some aren't while other disagree, and then they start to call a bird a rock, then the word rock has lost all its meaning.
Sounds pretty nihilistic to me.

The human condition on it's own challenges nihilism to stfu and do something useful.

Not quite sure about your intent is with this prompt or how you may have written it with more time/care, but to say such things is dehumanizing for women.

If you want to call that empty, I'm not entirely inclined to disagree. It's the same way most things over time most trendy things begin to lose their meaning. What is to blame for this?

Not going to challenge these (niche?) cultural elements that you have brought up about Islam as I know little about it.
 

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Sounds pretty nihilistic to me.

The human condition on it's own challenges nihilism to stfu and do something useful.
Maybe just a tad bit defeatist.

The human condition will always fight against nihilistic tendency because its not rational, it's not rational enough to engage in it and definitely not enough to see through it.
 

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Feminists I'm calling you out, are you actually oppressed or is it just a victim mentality?

What oppression do you face? Be specific, tell me how it affects you.

To be charitable let me expand the scope of "oppression", there's hard systemic oppression (as a rule you are specifically excluded from an opportunity because of your gender) and soft systemic oppression would be something like you get overlooked for managerial positions because there's a perception that female managers are inherently lacking somehow.

What negative perceptions are you oppressed by?
Importantly, why are those negative perceptions invalid?

Granted actual patriarchy based systemic oppression does exist and if someone from Dubai responds with "I wasn't allowed to get an education or a job and my husband was chosen for me" etc, obviously that is legitimate oppression, but I don't think those are the feminists on this forum.
Are you a feminist?
 
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