Feminism: Oppression or Victim Mentality?

[Old Things]

I'm oppressed by society.

I'm forced to make money to live and if I want to opt out, there's no where I can go where things don't cost money. I've heard sometimes people will let someone live off their land or you could buy the land, but then you still have to pay taxes...so now you are still finding a way to make money. Unless you set up some kind of interest account that uses the interest to pay for property tax, but even then, your bank could go bankrupt or you get hacked or something. Everything is owned and we are all branded with our net worth. We are modern day slaves, but not to a slave-owner, rather to money and its abstract economic machine.

I blame the patriarchy! And the matriarchy! Throw them both in the toilet and flush them away away. Make the turds swirl away.

You can live in the jungle if you think that would be easier...

But then how would I give back to my corporate overlords? They need me to be taken advantage of. How else are they going to support their extravagant lifestyles?

Actually, can I live in the jungle? Is that allowed for Americans? I'd prefer the mid-west though. I'm not a fan of creepy crawlies.

No offense, but your sense of entitlement on how bad you have it is honestly laughable. If you live in the US and own your own home, you are probably in the top 1% of wealth in the world. You don't have a legitimate claim to complain and it just smacks of general unthankfulness for what you have and entitlement.

 

[Daddy]

I'm oppressed by society.

I'm forced to make money to live and if I want to opt out, there's no where I can go where things don't cost money. I've heard sometimes people will let someone live off their land or you could buy the land, but then you still have to pay taxes...so now you are still finding a way to make money. Unless you set up some kind of interest account that uses the interest to pay for property tax, but even then, your bank could go bankrupt or you get hacked or something. Everything is owned and we are all branded with our net worth. We are modern day slaves, but not to a slave-owner, rather to money and its abstract economic machine.

I blame the patriarchy! And the matriarchy! Throw them both in the toilet and flush them away away. Make the turds swirl away.

You can live in the jungle if you think that would be easier...

But then how would I give back to my corporate overlords? They need me to be taken advantage of. How else are they going to support their extravagant lifestyles?

Actually, can I live in the jungle? Is that allowed for Americans? I'd prefer the mid-west though. I'm not a fan of creepy crawlies.

No offense, but your sense of entitlement on how bad you have it is honestly laughable. If you live in the US and own your own home, you are probably in the top 1% of wealth in the world. You don't have a legitimate claim to complain and it just smacks of general unthankfulness for what you have and entitlement.

Cool. I thought this was your response. Dude, chill, I was joking to begin with...I don't even know you and you don't know me, so let's just step back a bit please.

 

[Daddy]

I'm oppressed by society.

I'm forced to make money to live and if I want to opt out, there's no where I can go where things don't cost money. I've heard sometimes people will let someone live off their land or you could buy the land, but then you still have to pay taxes...so now you are still finding a way to make money. Unless you set up some kind of interest account that uses the interest to pay for property tax, but even then, your bank could go bankrupt or you get hacked or something. Everything is owned and we are all branded with our net worth. We are modern day slaves, but not to a slave-owner, rather to money and its abstract economic machine.

I blame the patriarchy! And the matriarchy! Throw them both in the toilet and flush them away away. Make the turds swirl away.

You can live in the jungle if you think that would be easier...

But then how would I give back to my corporate overlords? They need me to be taken advantage of. How else are they going to support their extravagant lifestyles?

Actually, can I live in the jungle? Is that allowed for Americans? I'd prefer the mid-west though. I'm not a fan of creepy crawlies.

No offense, but your sense of entitlement on how bad you have it is honestly laughable. If you live in the US and own your own home, you are probably in the top 1% of wealth in the world. You don't have a legitimate claim to complain and it just smacks of general unthankfulness for what you have and entitlement.

You know what, for the record.

I'm underemployed, been in the military with injuries, been homeless, moved around so much I don't have any real friends anymore. The reason I moved to where I am is because of my mom, but she moved so that sucks. I live in a dump I've been spending all my money and time fixing up. I left a job I loved to try and have some kind of career, but I work in an office where all the software engineers sit at home and just call me to order me around so they don't have to be there. I have no family, I'm LGBT and had and still struggle with that at times (especially from asshole Christians around me). As I get older, I become closer to realizing I might end up one day truly not wanting to live any more.

The only reason I could buy my dump was because it was cheap and I got lucky from crypto (bought in before it went crazy many many years ago). And it's not even something I feel good about anymore because I basically made money off of what has become a scam.

Do you seriously think you're in a position to judge me?

You are a real prick man...you and your pious moral Christian bullshit. Just fuck you, seriously fuck you. People like you ruin the internet with vitriol.

Okay, you can have your "Christian" INTP forum, fuckhead.

 

[dr froyd]

@Daddy that was a very moving story. A lone tear came to my eye as I read the tales of a man who bought a house with crypto profits and doesn't feel appreciated at work

 

[washti]

Hey @Daddy not all of us are christian assholes here. (Like dr froyd is existential asshole). Put OldIdioticThing on ignore. I'm not saying it reluctantly.

 

[dr froyd]

my faith is existential assholeism

 

[Old Things]

People like you ruin the internet with vitriol.

I have not been vitriolic at all probably anywhere on this site.

 

[Hadoblado]

My dude went from "hey chill I'm only joking" to "fuck you fuck everything fuck off" very quickly.

OldThings they were very obviously joking initially, but it looks like you incidentally hit a nerve by taking them seriously.

Owning a house is one aspect of their life in which they are very fortunate. But people can absolutely have shitty lives outside of that. Since it was off the back of a crypto windfall, there needn't be any relationship between their landowner status and any other aspect of their life.

But I don't think the oppression Olympics helps anyone. I've never met anyone who was happy to have their tribulations handwaved as good fortune.

 

[Old Things]

OldThings they were very obviously joking initially, but it looks like you incidentally hit a nerve by taking them seriously.

Yeah, I honestly had no idea they were joking. I am pretty much deaf when it comes to dry humor. And there totally are people who would be serious about that and I don't know them well enough to know they are not.

What they said does sound like it has not always been easy for them, but my point stands that in all likelihood they have it better than probably 80% of the population.

I could complain about having a mental illness and how I will probably always have to rely on the government for whatever money I have and that isn't much by any stretch, but as a person at my apartment says when I ask how they are doing, "Can't complain, doesn't do any good."

A lot of people are looking for an excuse to complain when they actually have it very well. Tying this into the actual thread somewhat, there are a lot of rich white kids in college who think they are oppressed even though they go to the best schools in the world and don't have any semblance of any real problems at all. So your comment about the oppressed Olympics is very apt.

 

[Black Rose]

your sense of entitlement

poverty is relative.
emotional/physical stress struggle is not.

telling people they are whiners is not going to get you any sympathy.

especially not when acting like everything is peaches and roses without knowing the person.

such as
You whine like a woman - cog

that is totally unjustified.

Why cannot we say that the system sucks if it does suck, hypocrisy?

 

[Black Rose]

Facts about child hunger in America​

Feeding America
https://www.feedingamerica.org › hunger-in-america



1 in 8 children in America worry about their next meal. Hunger deprives kids of more than food, it also impacts their mental and physical health.

Yeah but that is only their sense of entitlement because people starve in other places.

The system is not broken, people are just complainers.

 

[Old Things]

Why cannot we say that they system sucks if it does suck, hypocrisy?

The system in the US is objectively one of the best. In what other country (besides other western countries) can the minority think they are actually superior to the majority? Honestly, yes, some people have it rough--even in the US. I know some people at my apartment complex that makes Daddy's problems look like a skinned knee. Just yesterday a woman here was in tears telling me about her problems because they are real problems and not just that they feel undervalued by their employer. So if you are wondering why I came down so hard it is because I am constantly surrounded by people who have REAL suffering in their lives.

 

[Black Rose]

I am constantly surrounded by people who have REAL suffering in their lives.

But what I say to this is that maybe you should consider that these problems are not real problems in comparison to some people.

What about slaves in Africa? Are You saying the people you know have it harder THAN THEY DO?

Maybe the people you know are just complaining.

 

[Black Rose]

@Old Things

If you are in America you have nothing to complain about.

Is that your point?

 

[Old Things]

I am constantly surrounded by people who have REAL suffering in their lives.

But what I say to this is that maybe you should consider that these problems are not real problems in comparison to some people.

What about slaves in Africa? Are You saying the people you know have it harder THAN THEY DO?

Maybe the people you know are just complaining.

People accuse me of not knowing about others' suffering when they don't know the suffering that the people at my apartment complex experience.

Yes, it really is that bad for them. They are not merely "emotional issues" but health concerns, sometimes very serious ones, issues with family, issues with drugs and alcohol. It's not stuff you find in the kiddy pool of suffering. These people have it much worse than Daddy does.

Besides, what does complaining about your problems actually do? Unless you are breaking down crying because your issues are so bad, then you don't have it that bad.

As far as "lack of peace of mind" that's also a real issue but can be fixed by having some purpose for living. Like a general guiding principle for your life. But sometimes people can have that and their life still is objectively shitty.

@Animekitty, you don't struggle as much with that. You have a lot of purpose in your life or so I gather. Being a mission-minded person relieves so many problems and you should know that.

 

[Old Things]

@Old Things

If you are in America you have nothing to complain about.

Is that your point?

No, that's not my point. I live in the US as I have said many times here before. The people at my apartment complex have a LOT of problems because I live in subsidized housing. It's not great everywhere in the US, but if you own your own home, most of your problems are because of stress or not having peace of mind, or other things that are emotionally based.

It's not my intention to minimize people's suffering, but some people truly have it rough, and sometimes even those people don't complain about it.

 

[Black Rose]

The point of the dry humor @Daddy was doing was because the system is broken. There is no use in saying "Well it is worse in country X so don't complain". Capitalism makes it so people have to work in jobs at the bottom that serve no fulfillment in purpose. People do drugs because they have no purpose, and why? because jobs suck or they suck or life sucks. At the bottom, it sucks the most because that is how capitalism operates. Low-intelligent people cannot find jobs and jobs that are available are cut out by labor surplus.

My solution is robots. But everyone thinks they are impossible.

Robots would create a labor surplus but then the gov would tax them and give the money to a fund where everyone gets a robot.

Mostly people with low intelligence would not have the problems they have because if they had a robot they would not need to work jobs that suck. They would have friends always with them. Food would always be available, as well as electricity and transportation. Homelessness would go away. Everyone would get healthcare and education. Crime would go to Zero. Prisons would drop by 90% because most crime is done by low intelligent mentally ill people without healthcare. 90% of the stuff we buy from China would be made in America and we would need 50% less oil globally. But people would travel more because we buy houses near jobs we would no longer need, and hotels would boom. People would leave the cities and go to the countryside because cities are for jobs no longer needed. No child would need to go to school because they could go into virtual reality instead with an A.I. teacher better than any teacher on the planet.

Capitalism is based on jobs and cities. Robots and A.I. and virtual reality dismantle this and we become agrarian instead.

 

[Hadoblado]

Oldthings I think animekitty has a point. You can always gesture at other, less fortunate people, and yet suffering exists. Your intention is not to minimise people's suffering, but you are absolutely minimising people's suffering.

No offense, but your sense of entitlement on how bad you have it is honestly laughable. If you live in the US and own your own home, you are probably in the top 1% of wealth in the world. You don't have a legitimate claim to complain and it just smacks of general unthankfulness for what you have and entitlement.

Anyone suffering is suffering. Dismissing any suffering that isn't of the greatest possible magnitude as entitlement is uncharacteristically harsh of you.

tbh, America sounds like a hellhole to me. It's technically rich, but it sounds like the experience of the average person does not reflect this wealth. The whole world treats you like reality tv.

 

[Old Things]

Oldthings I think animekitty has a point. You can always gesture at other, less fortunate people, and yet suffering exists. Your intention is not to minimise people's suffering, but you are absolutely minimising people's suffering.

No offense, but your sense of entitlement on how bad you have it is honestly laughable. If you live in the US and own your own home, you are probably in the top 1% of wealth in the world. You don't have a legitimate claim to complain and it just smacks of general unthankfulness for what you have and entitlement.

Anyone suffering is suffering. Dismissing any suffering that isn't of the greatest possible magnitude as entitlement is uncharacteristically harsh of you.

tbh, America sounds like a hellhole to me. It's technically rich, but it sounds like the experience of the average person does not reflect this wealth. The whole world treats you like reality tv.

I think the proper attitude to take for all we DO have is thankfulness. Maybe for you you don't want to thank God for what you have and maybe you want to thank the universe for what you have (disregarding it doesn't make sense to be thankful to an inanimate entity). Thankfulness has many psychological benefits. But if you don't believe there is a purpose for your suffering, I agree it makes it pretty hard to be thankful.

 

[washti]

Oh but it was kinda funny when guys got triggered that Daddy is expresing themselves. So two Inferior Fi Quasars immeditialy started deminishing ridiculing and siliencing. What a disgrace. Not like me the Christ with cross and Sisyphus with Foreverstone. How someone dare to speak up for themselves and be emotional! SOMEONE HAVE IT WORSE! Shut up shut up! Oh no it can start something in me!

Now lie down in cross /number e possition, Weaklings.

Yes, OldPastor you are too dimm to get it, just like all ESTJs are.

 

[Black Rose]

Thankfulness does not solve the economic problems of capitalism. Robots do.

 

[Black Rose]

Inferior Fi

What type am I?

 

[Black Rose]

Pointing out flaws in the system = unthankful complaining.

 

[Black Rose]

Oh no it can start something in me!

and be emotional!

Weaklings

You do not know.

How to control yourself any better than I do.

"(pasive agresive)"

 

[washti]

I dont know your type AK and don't belive in control but I have observation about someone else.

Master Pharisee was born in wrong times. It's such a shame, cause he could be a true time saver during plot against Christ. Nazarene would be send directly to OldThings rather Annas and Caiaphas. No doubt he would double down on hobo heretic who protected sluts. With OldThing's vitriol masked as pious faith Sanhedrin trial could end way faster.

 

[Black Rose]

don't believe in control

Inhibition is all that keeps me alive.

There is no outlet, everything must be internalized.

So all that overwhelms causes shutdown.

All that prohibits certain actions, becoming numb and dumb.

Every time I react bad things happen. Things that cannot be fixed.

My computer is lucky I need it, Rage Quit destroyed my phone my tv, and 8 days in the mental hospital. If I did not know what to do fear would be worse than it is.

Fear anger sadness.

I cannot put up with people's BS without killing part of myself and then,

I do not like it when people are wrong in the wrong way.

About me, or something that affects me because what I say will make them attack me, and when they are at me for some Bullshit reason they are lying about me which is wrong and stupid and not cool.

And not being able to do anything is helplessness.

But people do not care, all they do is lie.

And act like it's okay.

 

[Old Things]

@washti, was it that I said to be thankful that you have a problem with me or because I'm a Christian? Pretty sure the things you said about me are way worse than what I have said about anyone on this site.

 

[Old Things]

FWIW, I will now apologize to @Daddy for undermining their suffering. It was both wrong of me to do and very uncharacteristic of me for most of the time.

 

[Black Rose]

No one cares about any specific point of anyone's specific suffering.

The system is flawed and you cannot say it is not just because people complain about it. That is an excuse and blindness for real issues with the system.

 

[Black Rose]

Structural violence is a form of violence wherein some social structure or social institution may harm people by preventing them from meeting their basic needs. The term was coined by Norwegian sociologist Johan Galtung, who introduced it in his 1969 article "Violence, Peace, and Peace Research". Wikipedia

 

[Old Things]

No one cares about any specific point of anyone's specific suffering.

The system is flawed and you cannot say it is not just because people complain about it. That is an excuse and blindness for real issues with the system.

A perfect system does not exist because we live in a fallen world. The only time we will see perfection is when Christ returns. Christ accomplished a death blow to Satan on the cross, but our own moral failings are why things are not perfect. Not because we haven't tried hard enough. We have tried. We have failed. This is because of sin. Not because only the elites are sinful, but because we are all sinful.

 

[Hadoblado]

Thankfulness? Nah.

Self-pity and thankfulness go hand in hand. They both ultimately attribute ones fortune to the external.

Motherfucker I am the universe. Ima go be thankful to me.

 

[Old Things]

Self-pity and thankfulness go hand in hand.

Weird flex. Thankfulness brings joy. Self-pity is a negative emotion not a positive one like thankfulness.

If you want to be really really unhappy, I can't think of a better way to do it than to be ungrateful about everything.

 

[Black Rose]

We have tried. We have failed.

We have not tried robots yet.

It does not need to be perfect but only better.

You do not believe anything can improve, that is a flaw in your thinking.

 

[Old Things]

We have tried. We have failed.

We have not tried robots yet.

Who will fix the robots?

It does not need to be perfect but only better.

Things have gotten better in some things and worse in other things.

You do not believe anything can improve, that is a flaw in your thinking.

Not true at all. 5 years ago I never would have apologized to Daddy.

 

[Black Rose]

Who will fix the robots?

This argument has been done countless times and the flaw is that it assumes robots are not intelligent enough to fix other robots, recycle them or just create new robots.

 

[Old Things]

Who will fix the robots?

This argument has been done countless times and the flaw is that it assumes robots are not intelligent enough to fix other robots, recycle them or just create new robots.

Sounds expensive.

 

[Black Rose]

Who will fix the robots?

This argument has been done countless times and the flaw is that it assumes robots are not intelligent enough to fix other robots, recycle them or just create new robots.

Sounds expensive.

only if oil is the source of energy.

but like cars, there will be more than everyone person on the planet.

 

[Hadoblado]

Self-pity and thankfulness go hand in hand.

Weird flex. Thankfulness brings joy. Self-pity is a negative emotion not a positive one like thankfulness.

If you want to be really really unhappy, I can't think of a better way to do it than to be ungrateful about everything.

What is the position I hold that you're responding to?

 

[Old Things]

Self-pity and thankfulness go hand in hand.

Weird flex. Thankfulness brings joy. Self-pity is a negative emotion not a positive one like thankfulness.

If you want to be really really unhappy, I can't think of a better way to do it than to be ungrateful about everything.

What is the position I hold that you're responding to?

That self-pity and thankfulness go hand in hand. They don't.

 

[Black Rose]

Every child will have a drone that protects them from harm.

First, they will fly then they will walk.

 

[Hadoblado]

Okay. I feel like you deleted the context to attack a reasoning that wasn't mine.

Sure, they go hand in hand. But not because they're both positive or negative. Because:

They both ultimately attribute ones fortune to the external.

So responding with points about ungratefulness or positive/negative aspects doesn't address what I was saying at all.

 

[Old Things]

Okay. I feel like you deleted the context to attack a reasoning that wasn't mine.

Sure, they go hand in hand. But not because they're both positive or negative. Because:

They both ultimately attribute ones fortune to the external.

So responding with points about ungratefulness or positive/negative aspects doesn't address what I was saying at all.

You may scorn this because you are not a Christian, but the Bible has a lot to say about thankfulness. The thanks are external, but only to God even in the worst circumstances. The unbelieving world thinks it is crazy to be thankful in hard circumstances, but Christians do not derive their joy and thankfulness from circumstances, but from God Himself. The question that arises is, "How can you be thankful when something horrible happens?" and that's why Christianity is different.

Philippians 4:10–14 CSB17
“I rejoiced in the Lord greatly because once again you renewed your care for me. You were, in fact, concerned about me but lacked the opportunity to show it. I don’t say this out of need, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I find myself. I know how to make do with little, and I know how to make do with a lot. In any and all circumstances I have learned the secret of being content—whether well fed or hungry, whether in abundance or in need. I am able to do all things through him who strengthens me. Still, you did well by partnering with me in my hardship.”

 

[Black Rose]

attribute ones fortune to the external.

The economy does not care about your feelings.

It cares about labor costs and skills.

Even the most intelligent person cannot get a job if no jobs exist.

The non-intelligent person is just screwed in an economic collapse.

 

[Black Rose]

Whether the economy is good or bad, gratefulness or ungratefulness does not matter. It is not about entitlement it is about a system that does not work at the bottom. At the bottom, it does not work. Why? Ungratefulness of the bottom people? Bulshit. How do we make the economy work is the question not about attitude or other BS feelings? Feelings will not make what happens at the bottom better. We need to re-engineer the economy bottom up. "Robots".

 

[Hadoblado]

Yeah I do scorn it. Epistemic cuckoldry licking the boot that kicks you. Let's speak no more of the bible please, I never want scripture quoted at me.

AK I agree with you that the system is broken, but think your solution only describes the end-steps, without the intermediate steps for how we reach there. I believe automation is and will continue to be a big deal, but nobody's just going to hand out comrade robots. Wealth concentration will get worse as labour represents one of the only powers the poor can leverage.

 

[scorpiomover]

Whether the economy is good or bad, gratefulness or ungratefulness does not matter. It is not about entitlement it is about a system that does not work at the bottom. At the bottom, it does not work. Why? Ungratefulness of the bottom people? Bulshit. How do we make the economy work is the question not about attitude or other BS feelings? Feelings will not make what happens at the bottom better. We need to re-engineer the economy bottom up. "Robots".

Right now, the people at the top need to rely on the people at the bottom for many tasks. So right now, the people at the top have a strong incentive to not treat the people at the bottom like dirt.

Robots will allow the people at the top to have what they want, without needing the people at the bottom at all. So then you've removed any incentive for the people at the top to not treat the people at the bottom like dirt.

 

[Black Rose]

Robots will allow the people at the top to have what they want, without needing the people at the bottom at all. So then you've removed any incentive for the people at the top to not treat the people at the bottom like dirt.

Yes but the people vote.

And have guns.

As the saying goes; let them eat cake.

Absent of history the elite know what happens next:

 

[BurnedOut]

I contend that most people today believe in things like these claims, because they watch internet videos and the media, and just accept what they are told because they are told that it comes from "science", without ever questioning if the science, i.e. actual evidence, actually supports the claims of the media.

Not sure how you are reaching that conclusion but my claims are empirically supported

 

[scorpiomover]

Robots will allow the people at the top to have what they want, without needing the people at the bottom at all. So then you've removed any incentive for the people at the top to not treat the people at the bottom like dirt.

Yes but the people vote.

The people voted for Trump. Recent years has shown what happens when the people don't vote the way the political elite want them to.

And have guns.

In most Western countries, most people don't have guns anymore. America is one of the few Western countries where the people have guns. There is a massive drive to take the guns away from them, leaving the people without guns.

Absent of history the elite know what happens next:

Yes. That's why the area around the Bastille was re-built into several avenues that each are small enough to be held off by a machine-gun. Wuth 13 machine guns, if the people rebel again, they can be held off indefinitely, until the army can be mobilised to stop them.

Those who took over after the Revolution, redesigned France, so that there can never ben another one.