Melkor
*Silent antagonist*
This thread focuses on three mains things, each revolving around expression.
This being an INTP forum, and me being a INTP (accused), I hope you mortals have much to add.
The points are as follows(If you, like most forumers, never read all of the topic, and only add what you think while ignoring other users responses, then you would do well to just read and respond to these, those wishing for a insight into MY contemplations of the subject, should read further):
-Why is it so incredibly difficult to efficiently express oneself? Not just emotionally, but in terms of plain thought too, and taking physical and verbal expression into account, each being equally tricky.
-How to improve my methods of expression? Is it as simple as paying complete attention to the expressions of others through speech and movement, and then being highly empathetic so as to replicate these 'symptoms' of expression and thus 'get through' to the particular individual on their own terms?
-How do you do it? And more pressingly, what are the values of the various types of expression?
For example, which is of greater value, art, or direct speech?
How to judge value?
Art seems deeper, more conclusive..and yet, it is selfish, internal... only the artist can truly understand what is expressed, so deep it often is, whereas, conversely, speech is to the point and shallow.. But isn’t that what expression is about, baring our selves to the world, stripping to the bone and flaunting the self?
I would like a logical answer, not a biased one, for it goes without saying that some individuals will value some types more than others. How to do so with such a subjective matter?
And now, my thoughts...
Skip unless you're brave...
-Expression for me, is normally, practically impossible.
Possibly the most difficult question I've ever been asked is 'How do you feel?', and I am asked it on a daily basis, though rarely by those who care.
It confuses me to no end.
How to show someone my interior?
Even if I take my poor speaking skills into consideration, the problem is no less blatant.
I don't think like others, we don't function on the same level, we have different worries, a different modus operandi, I cannot feel rage, despair seems to be my default mood, I cannot live on my sleeves as they can.
So what use is trying to express myself? I see everything as being composed of smaller parts, as do they, but the key difference is, that they consider the end product to be greater than the sum of those parts, while I, do not think a million atoms can be any more than a million atoms.
When I have insights into their mind, I see each of the factors, each of the small parts, and how they have shaped their conscious thought and actions.
They, given my mind, would likely concentrate on the sum, on the end product that is me, composed of all these layers.
They would not, as I would, say 'Ah, look, here is Melkor's insecurity, look at each of the things that make it, isn’t that fascinating?', they would simply engage the insecurity, concentrate on the immediate and work round that, using their own composition to touch upon it.
I understand some are capable of the analysis that I am, in fact, I accept that most are better.
However, the fact remains, even *if* someone had the gall to analyse me, they'd be tripped up and circled round as I made fraudulent yet unintended forms of expression which they would mistake as something entirely different.
I credit my difficulties to two things, firstly, a low intelligence, resulting in this convoluted way of doing things, and secondly a dreadfully poor perception of what society is, and how it interacts, leading to grave mistakes in expression.
Of course, the exception to all of the above, is in non-personal activities.
I seem to excel at brutishly and ineloquently forcing my expression, my self, into projects that involve solely me.
Examples would be writing, be that a novel, or simply communication online as I am now, or to a lesser extent, Art, be that twelve hour pictures or frequent doodles.
-This, I have much less to say about. Simply that, I can struggle to explain things on what people call 'simple' terms.
I can explain things my way, and if people don't understand the words I use, the metaphors, or the speed at which I describe it, I get very frustrated.
I can, if calm and happy enough, sometimes say things in very simple terms, as if to a child, but often that makes me sound rather condescending, and I despise any illusion that might make me seem superior to others, with all my faults.
Also, I can't use facial movement or stance to express myself.
Or at least, I have a very limited expression palette.
For example, I seem to always look somewhat hunched, turned inward, hanging my head? This probably originates from a fear of crowds and frequent depression, but sometimes it's just the default pose.
I also find it difficult to appear 'happy' or 'sad'.
When nervous, amused, afraid, or attempting politeness, I smirk, but when very unhappy I simply can't 'pull the face' to tell people 'I'm not at myself, just back off', similarly, when very happy, I simply get a little more animated, as if hyper, but I tend not to smile and rejoice over good news, which is why people assume I'm never pleased with things.
So, any ideas as to who to fix this? Does it need fixing?
-This is one for you to answer, so it needs no input from me...
However, I'd like some concrete answers for a change, as a pre-warning.
This being an INTP forum, and me being a INTP (accused), I hope you mortals have much to add.
The points are as follows(If you, like most forumers, never read all of the topic, and only add what you think while ignoring other users responses, then you would do well to just read and respond to these, those wishing for a insight into MY contemplations of the subject, should read further):
-Why is it so incredibly difficult to efficiently express oneself? Not just emotionally, but in terms of plain thought too, and taking physical and verbal expression into account, each being equally tricky.
-How to improve my methods of expression? Is it as simple as paying complete attention to the expressions of others through speech and movement, and then being highly empathetic so as to replicate these 'symptoms' of expression and thus 'get through' to the particular individual on their own terms?
-How do you do it? And more pressingly, what are the values of the various types of expression?
For example, which is of greater value, art, or direct speech?
How to judge value?
Art seems deeper, more conclusive..and yet, it is selfish, internal... only the artist can truly understand what is expressed, so deep it often is, whereas, conversely, speech is to the point and shallow.. But isn’t that what expression is about, baring our selves to the world, stripping to the bone and flaunting the self?
I would like a logical answer, not a biased one, for it goes without saying that some individuals will value some types more than others. How to do so with such a subjective matter?
And now, my thoughts...
Skip unless you're brave...
-Expression for me, is normally, practically impossible.
Possibly the most difficult question I've ever been asked is 'How do you feel?', and I am asked it on a daily basis, though rarely by those who care.
It confuses me to no end.
How to show someone my interior?
Even if I take my poor speaking skills into consideration, the problem is no less blatant.
I don't think like others, we don't function on the same level, we have different worries, a different modus operandi, I cannot feel rage, despair seems to be my default mood, I cannot live on my sleeves as they can.
So what use is trying to express myself? I see everything as being composed of smaller parts, as do they, but the key difference is, that they consider the end product to be greater than the sum of those parts, while I, do not think a million atoms can be any more than a million atoms.
When I have insights into their mind, I see each of the factors, each of the small parts, and how they have shaped their conscious thought and actions.
They, given my mind, would likely concentrate on the sum, on the end product that is me, composed of all these layers.
They would not, as I would, say 'Ah, look, here is Melkor's insecurity, look at each of the things that make it, isn’t that fascinating?', they would simply engage the insecurity, concentrate on the immediate and work round that, using their own composition to touch upon it.
I understand some are capable of the analysis that I am, in fact, I accept that most are better.
However, the fact remains, even *if* someone had the gall to analyse me, they'd be tripped up and circled round as I made fraudulent yet unintended forms of expression which they would mistake as something entirely different.
I credit my difficulties to two things, firstly, a low intelligence, resulting in this convoluted way of doing things, and secondly a dreadfully poor perception of what society is, and how it interacts, leading to grave mistakes in expression.
Of course, the exception to all of the above, is in non-personal activities.
I seem to excel at brutishly and ineloquently forcing my expression, my self, into projects that involve solely me.
Examples would be writing, be that a novel, or simply communication online as I am now, or to a lesser extent, Art, be that twelve hour pictures or frequent doodles.
-This, I have much less to say about. Simply that, I can struggle to explain things on what people call 'simple' terms.
I can explain things my way, and if people don't understand the words I use, the metaphors, or the speed at which I describe it, I get very frustrated.
I can, if calm and happy enough, sometimes say things in very simple terms, as if to a child, but often that makes me sound rather condescending, and I despise any illusion that might make me seem superior to others, with all my faults.
Also, I can't use facial movement or stance to express myself.
Or at least, I have a very limited expression palette.
For example, I seem to always look somewhat hunched, turned inward, hanging my head? This probably originates from a fear of crowds and frequent depression, but sometimes it's just the default pose.
I also find it difficult to appear 'happy' or 'sad'.
When nervous, amused, afraid, or attempting politeness, I smirk, but when very unhappy I simply can't 'pull the face' to tell people 'I'm not at myself, just back off', similarly, when very happy, I simply get a little more animated, as if hyper, but I tend not to smile and rejoice over good news, which is why people assume I'm never pleased with things.
So, any ideas as to who to fix this? Does it need fixing?
-This is one for you to answer, so it needs no input from me...
However, I'd like some concrete answers for a change, as a pre-warning.
