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Explain Masturbation Please

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Second part: I don't invent a woman for my fantasies "from scrap". It's sometimes a celebrity, sometimes a hot girl from a picture I saw on the internet, sometimes a character from a book (Cersei Lannister anyone?) but most often it is somebody I know or have seen in real life (e.g. girls, that always ride on the same bus as I do). I wonder how aware girls are of how often guys jerk off to them. Although, maybe they are just unaware of how often I jerk off to them. :slashnew:

Wait, I thought i was the only to have a crush/fetish for Cersei. That means i'm not the only one? :o
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And I think paralysis only affects erection if it goes as down to the very lower spine. Erection is related to the autonomic nervous system, so if a damage affected the nerves from that area, one would not be able to naturally have an erection, altough with use of Nitrous oxide(to initiate the erection) and alpha-adrenergic agonists(to mantain the erection).
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Edit: I have just read on wikipedia that visual/sensorial/imagined impulses come through the sacral/lombar parts of the spine. A paralysis definitely may put erections (and therefore masturbation) on a difficult level.
 

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Are you talking pure imagination? (I did mention male wet dreams in a later post.)
Yeah definitely. I mean, for women, once your imagination really gets going though your vaginal muscles automatically start to contract. So that's part of it but its a natural effect of the use of imagination. I think anaesthatization would be a hindrance and perhaps an impossibility.

Second question. Do you think of yourself as unusual or special? Or do you believe you could take another woman, talk to her in private and teach her how to do the same thing? As a male, I would stay out of it, but I'm wondering if this is a topic to discuss among those of your very special sex?
I don't like the word special but unusual yes. I haven't told many women about it because most of them get freaked out and think it's weird. I'm not sure about if you can teach it or not. So many women have tons of sexual hangups, even women who have a lot of sex. Society pretty much tells us that it isn't ok for us to talk about it, even amongst ourselves, and there's strong stigmas about women enjoying sex. Even in this thread, it was remarked that women seemed more hesitant to come forward. Whether or not that's true is of little consequence, the perception in itself tells us a lot about society and its expectations.

I think for a woman to be able to do it she has to be able to completely let go of any culturally promoted sexual ideas, positive or negative, and just enjoy the act in and of itself. (Maybe also a reason why so few women can consistently achieve orgasm) Letting go can be a really hard thing for someone to do. I think I was initially able to do it because I accidentally stumbled across it at an age when I had not yet been influenced by such cultural stigmas. There was a point in time where it became impossible for me to do it. It was at a point in my life when I was trying very hard to abide by accepted cultural standards (I had an ISFJ friend who was trying her hardest to make me into a clone of herself). When I let go of that and started being myself again I was able to do it again with no difficulty.

Many of my friends got (past tense cause we're not friends anymore) really freaked out by the fact that I'm very open to talking about and enjoying sex, even those who are far more sexually active than I am. My two best friends, another INTJ and an INFJ have both come to a point where they are fine with talking about it. But, as my INFJ said "Wow, we've been friends for so long and we've talked about everything...except masturbation." This is where I think Cheese has made a very valid point. Real friendship means no barriers. If I'm really friends with someone I can talk with them about something as potentially taboo as sex. More to say on that but this post is getting long.

@the person with the question of what I meant by 'concept.' I've heard some guys say that they don't need to think about an actual woman but about something that reminds them of a woman or just a particular part of a woman, not an actual whole woman. Kinda stems from my curiosity about how often my guy friends think about me when they're jacking off...not that I'd ever ask them.

Anyone got a comment on Ti yet?
 

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As for me, I use direct visual stimulation, so I don't really "imagine" much. When I don't have any visual stimulation available and I REALLY need to rub one out, I can usually do it by imagining past sexual experiences with whichever girl strikes my fancy at the time.
 

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As for me, I use direct visual stimulation, so I don't really "imagine" much. When I don't have any visual stimulation available and I REALLY need to rub one out, I can usually do it by imagining past sexual experiences with whichever girl strikes my fancy at the time.
What I find interesting here is the continuum. Can we say "imagining past sexual experiences" is an attempt to bring the real thing into the present? Then "direct visual stimulation" does the same thing. Sex with a partner involves or can involve light touching, kissing, pressure on and from various parts of the body, ones internal arousal, ones genital feeling as well as visuals. That's the turn on as distinguished from already being turned on. Visuals by the way are about turning on, are they not? Its one thing to coolly observe what is attractive and another to act on it sexually.

So we have action and reactions. Lots going on. Enough for different tastes to acquire special interests, restrictive interests or expanded open interests or even avoidance.

I think (THINK) this is what I meant by looking at Ti. (I keep forgetting what Te is anyway though I've read it. I suppose I mix them up.)
 

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Yeah definitely. I mean, for women, once your imagination really gets going though your vaginal muscles automatically start to contract. So that's part of it but its a natural effect of the use of imagination.
That gets closer but still doesn't make all the connections for me. I'm not sure what I'm going to say here, but I want to know what is present just before orgasm, both sensorily and psychically. In a male this may have something to do with quantity ... the backup of semen and any other bodily fluids. (How do we check this out? Is that true guys?) In women how is this different, or is it different for different women?

For a woman to achieve climax, is clitoral arousal required? That may seem a silly question, but such arousal may occur from the inside (mind stimulation or bodily needs) or mechanically from the outside.

I think for a woman to be able to do it she has to be able to completely let go of any culturally promoted sexual ideas, positive or negative, and just enjoy the act in and of itself. (Maybe also a reason why so few women can consistently achieve orgasm) Letting go can be a really hard thing for someone to do. I think I was initially able to do it because I accidentally stumbled across it at an age when I had not yet been influenced by such cultural stigmas. There was a point in time where it became impossible for me to do it. It was at a point in my life when I was trying very hard to abide by accepted cultural standards (I had an ISFJ friend who was trying her hardest to make me into a clone of herself). When I let go of that and started being myself again I was able to do it again with no difficulty.
Perhaps I should respond to this in another thread, "Explain Sex Please."
I (or most of us) have this cultural sexual bias. That is, that males are active and females are reactive. If so, men have to concentrate on a goal while women have to concentrate on accommodating or rejecting a goal AND achieving self-satisfaction. Men get rejected; women do the rejecting. That must be related to what you said in a prior post where you talked about enjoying or fantasizing being dominated. That would be pleasing if it meant you didn't have to reject. Rejecting is unpleasant. That could explain a woman finding orgasm difficult. They have to spend part of their psyche on non-acceptance.

Anyone got a comment on Ti yet?
Did I make one? See my response to CoryJames.
 

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Anyone got a comment on Ti yet?
considering what Ti is...


~the Introverted Thinking cannot run on itself. It is merely a conscious scrutiny of information already collected. If there is no fuel to come by from the faculty of Extroverted Intuition the INTP will scrutinize the old information [Si] to the point of great extremity~ SolitaryWalker's INTP Description


I believe perception is what INTPs would use the most during sex or masturbation, not decision-making. This translates to Ne and/or Si.

Perception is all about the experience; soaking in the world that exists around you in various ways. Judgment is about deciding how to calibrate that data.

I wouldn't be surprised if dominant perceptive types in general have a much fuller/richer experience with sex than a dominant Judging type, especially a dominant Introverted Judging type.

In short, Ti is not very useful for sex, and in itself it gets no pleasure from the act. It can, however, help calibrate the Ne/Si experience of sex to make it more pleasurable...
 

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For a woman to achieve climax, is clitoral arousal required? That may seem a silly question, but such arousal may occur from the inside (mind stimulation or bodily needs) or mechanically from the outside.

I'm not a woman, so this might need some confirmation.

I remember, when studying urogenital anatomy, that women posses more than one erogenous zone in the vaginal area. The clitoris is the most obvious one, being outside the vagina and being physiologically similar to the penis' gland.

About five centimeters inside, there's a little bump on the vagina. That's one of them, known popularly as the G-spot. It may explain why fingering is a common practice. Yet, some scientists claim that the G-spot does not exist and others claim that G-spots orgasms are related to Skene's gland (Known as the U-spot).

There's also a couple of other spots, such as the A and U-spots. The latter is just besides the urethra. And is a analogue of the male's prostrate. I do not know if it would be right to post pics here, but if you google Skene's gland, you can find it pretty easily.

But normally, clitoral arousal is the easiest path and the most simple one. One thing I'd like to know is if girls do also have awareness of other erogenous zone in their vaginas.
 

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I'm not a woman, so this might need some confirmation.
I'm sorry. You will have to confirm that yourself.

I remember, when studying urogenital anatomy, that women posses more than one erogenous zone in the vaginal area. The clitoris is the most obvious one, being outside the vagina and being physiologically similar to the penis' gland.

About five centimeters inside, there's a little bump on the vagina. That's one of them, known popularly as the G-spot. It may explain why fingering is a common practice. Yet, some scientists claim that the G-spot does not exist and others claim that G-spots orgasms are related to Skene's gland (Known as the U-spot).

There's also a couple of other spots, such as the A and U-spots. The latter is just besides the urethra. And is a analogue of the male's prostrate. I do not know if it would be right to post pics here, but if you google Skene's gland, you can find it pretty easily.
Sounds like spotty information. (Or should I have said, "spot on"?)

But normally, clitoral arousal is the easiest path and the most simple one. One thing I'd like to know is if girls do also have awareness of other erogenous zone in their vaginas.
Yes. It will be necessary to look into that. Guys. First one to locate the G spot report back here. Gals. You are closer to the area.

U-spot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skene's_gland
 

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I've located it a few times I think
 

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Yes. It will be necessary to look into that. Guys. First one to locate the G spot report back here. Gals. You are closer to the area.

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So is this where we quit even pretending to have a serious discussion and just start making jokes? Oh please let the answer be yes...
 

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So is this where we quit even pretending to have a serious discussion and just start making jokes? Oh please let the answer be yes...

Truth to be told, I'm glad you brought this comic up. I was thinking about it the whole time as I posted.

Thank you very much.;)
 

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So is this where we quit even pretending to have a serious discussion and just start making jokes? Oh please let the answer be yes...
Mellllvar. I resolved to abstain from "acting out" while this thread was active. Can you forgive me for breaking under the stress?

To evil scientist: both were spot on accurate ... what you looked up. Please continue your evil scientific research.
 

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The G-spot is a spongy clump several inches into the vagina, on the front wall. If you know where the prostate is just imagine where that is, except you can touch it in the vagina instead of the anus.

My personal hypothesis is that the G-spot is what would have become the prostate if the fetus became a male instead of female, but I haven't really looked into it.

Edit; BTW, it's not nearly as easy to find as the prostate.
 

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Hath this thread turneth into a "sex: how to"?
 

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Where the G-spot/prostate is is useful for both sex and masturbation. Information which is useful for two things doesn't make a guide mentioning it a guide for both things.
 

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I think a practical example is best used here.

You'll have to come closer first Pi.
 

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I think a practical example is best used here.
You'll have to come closer first Pi.
Sorry Melkor but I'll have to know your intentions first.
 

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I think ... he?... wants the... wiener?

There should be a box for us to put our gender in our profile and it shows up under our avatar.

Only true INTP's seem to despise such a thing, as surely anyone fit to know your gender should be capable of working it out themselves?

That, and there are the unsavoury types who would base their entire perspective of you upon your gender...

Anyway, this is just another part of a running joke, you'll understand when you're less new, Right Pi dear?;)
 

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No SpaceY. If you encourage him he may wish to savor you.
I like when people want a taste of the ol' Yeti. It's a compliment, even if I totally wouldn't hit that.
 

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And the women have almost completely left the room; but back to the question about the spots. It is different for every woman, and then different depending on the circumstance. I'm sure that is not what you want to hear, but it is what it is. Generally speaking, an orgasm reached by way of clitoral stimulation is usually the easiest to achieve. No, clitoral stimulation is not, necessarily, needed to climax, but again it depends on the woman. I've heard of U-spots, I think they have something to do with ejaculation...correct? What is the A-spot?:confused:
 

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This thread (well up to Melllvar's post) makes me Lol, thanks for that. (I've been so bored. T_T)

It's like you don't have Internet...

You know how everyone looks different, because of genetics and stuff? Now think if we flipped ourselves inside out, would we still be different?

People know they have individual personalities, individual builds, muscle mass, tendency to certain foods and weight, metabolisms, temperatures, etc... But somehow sex and stimulation is experienced the same, when pretty much nothing else is. Yeah... tell that to an someone with an intersex condition.
 
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This thread (well up to Melllvar's post) makes me Lol, thanks for that. (I've been so bored. T_T)

It's like you don't have Internet...

You know how everyone looks different, because of genetics and stuff? Now think if we flipped ourselves inside out, would we still be different?

People know they have individual personalities, individual builds, muscle mass, tendency to certain foods and weight, metabolisms, temperatures, etc... But somehow sex and stimulation is experienced the same, when pretty much nothing else is. Yeah... tell that to an someone with an intersex condition.
Glad you have enjoyed the masturbation thing. For the guys this has been a joint effort and for the gals something to get into.;)

For those of you with an intersex condition you are welcome to come here as you know who you are, even though it's hard to tell:confused: as long as you operate in the closet.:cool:
 

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To me the occasional jokes here are like a commercial. They are breaks from the story. Like a vacation or sleep, they give time to return with an alternate perspective.

Reading your responses is like having sex with a partner in this sense: one experiences the presence of the partner to the lessened awareness of self. When I went back to the OP (original post) I wondered if I was satisfied. My answer is I not sure about this part:
Your mind. What is in there? Is some thing of an illusion? Is an illusion required? ... Is the concept of union or fusion required?
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The difference I would say between masturbation and sex is that masturbation is completely self indulgent - it's all about you and your own pleasure. Sex means having to also please the other participant.
I didn't read much about the fusion aspect unless I missed it. Sex with a partner is action with a partner. Masturbation may accept a blank mind (as some have said), but images of some sort are preferred. Not much was said about fusion. I believe if you think masturbation is completely self-indulgent, this is a mistake. Think play. Play looks self-indulgent, but it is really practice for partnership with the external world.

Is masturbation like that? When one has images, they aren't just any ol' images. They are images for potential fusion, aren't they? Am I wrong about this? I'm not talking when you sit down to masturbate, how you tell yourself "it party time for my self." I'm talking the content of the images. Aren't they images for being with a real partner? Think of the example of watching others having sex. Do you say to yourself, "I'm a third party in a menage à trois"? or are you instead substituting yourself for one of the partners? If the latter, you ARE having sex with a partner in your mind.
 
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