ESFJ

[Tony3d]

I will keep this simple and see where you guys take it. Do you think that we all have an ESFJ living deep inside of our minds somewhere?

 

[Niclmaki]

Of course.

 

[snafupants]

Same functions. As an ENTP I get along very well with my ESFJ sister.

The freakier thing is that ESFP and INTJ have the same functions.

Does that mean tha...I can't go on.

 

[Tony3d]

That is why I was curious, if we develope those functions more, do you think and INTP would start to behave in a more ESFJ manner?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

That is why I was curious, if we develope those functions more, do you think and INTP would start to behave in a more ESFJ manner?

No. Maybe ENFJ/INFJ**(developed inferior), or ESTJ/ISTJ**(developed tertiary), but not directly ESFJ. That would be a complete reversal of the psyche.


**I'm ignoring the implied temperaments of the letters, and am focusing on the function orders in the given types.

 

[snafupants]

That is why I was curious, if we develope those functions more, do you think and INTP would start to behave in a more ESFJ manner?

Maybe with an overdeveloped or lopsided INTP juxtaposed with an intellectual ESFJ (do those exist?) or an emotional INTP (those are real!) and some rational ESFJ (again, is that possible?).

These meditations remind me of the Bizarro Seinfeld - where up is west and down is east.

 

[Tony3d]

So, if I am already only a 60/40 split when it comes to my introverted preference over extroverted, if I let my extroverted feelings take over, what would that make me become?

It can't be ENFP because then I would be Internally Feeling and Externally Thinking, and that is just all wrong on so many levels...

ENFJ?

 

[Absurdity]

I will keep this simple and see where you guys take it. Do you think that we all have an ESFJ living deep inside of our minds somewhere?

Freud called this the superego.

 

[snafupants]

So, if I am already only a 60/40 split when it comes to my introverted preference over extroverted, if I let my extroverted feelings take over, what would that make me become?

Either a heart attack victim or Robert Smith from The Cure.

 

[Tony3d]

So, if you flip two points, does the whole script flip, or do the other two points stay stationary?

If I went into an Extroverted Feeling phase, does that make me a Sensor now, or am I still an Intuiter?

Do you guys think that what I am talking about is just plane crazy?

 

[Proletar]

ISFP is the polar opposite of INTP by the way.


Dominant: Introverted Feeling
Auxiliary: Extraverted Sensing
Tertiary: Introverted Intuition
Inferior: Extraverted Thinking

 

[snafupants]

ISFP is the polar opposite of INTP by the way.


Dominant: Introverted Feeling
Auxiliary: Extraverted Sensing
Tertiary: Introverted Intuition
Inferior: Extraverted Thinking

Yeah, but this conversation is predominately about functional stack.

It also depends how "polar opposite of INTP" is defined. Although the functions are the opposite between the INTP and XSFP/XNTJ, their order might be dissimilar per variable definitions.

Going in order from functions eight to five seems fine, albeit impertinent, though.

 

[Tony3d]

ISFP is the polar opposite of INTP by the way.


Dominant: Introverted Feeling
Auxiliary: Extraverted Sensing
Tertiary: Introverted Intuition
Inferior: Extraverted Thinking

And that is why I could never be one of those, because I just find the though of thinking externally and feeling internally so very wrong...

I was more thinking ESFJ because it is the same though process but refined in a different way.

I really think I might try it for a day to experement, just try acting like what an ESFJ is supposed to act like.

 

[Absurdity]

I really think I might try it for a day to experement, just try acting like what an ESFJ is supposed to act like.

Sounds miserable. Just accept your type and play to your strengths (Ti-Ne), while cultivating your tertiary and inferior over time (and not in one day).

 

[Tony3d]

Sounds miserable. Just accept your type and play to your strengths (Ti-Ne), while cultivating your tertiary and inferior over time (and not in one day).

I look at my own life from a safe distance, so I don't get to emotionally involved even with my own life, so to me it is just a scientific experement of sorts.

Proving that my hypothesis is either totally crazy or brilliant, one or the other.



I honestly have become close to an ENTP over the years, and I am very amused by feelings, though I don't entirely understand them in any rational way, I want to know more. MORE!!!

 

[Absurdity]

I look at my own life from a safe distance, so I don't get to emotionally involved even with my own life, so to me it is just a scientific experement of sorts.

Proving that my hypothesis is either totally crazy or brilliant, one or the other.



I honestly have become close to an ENTP over the years, and I am very amused by feelings, though I don't entirely understand them in any rational way, I want to know more. MORE!!!

Experiment or not, it is immensely draining to pretend to be somebody or something you are not.

And types don't change, just one's perception of one's self.

 

[snafupants]

And types don't change, just one's perception of one's self.

I've considered this extensively and, of course, I mostly agree. Supposing people's personalities as gauged by the MBTI are partly the product of brain chemistry, however, wouldn't highly upsetting brain chemistry affect the underlying personality type? I'd contend that personality type could (temporarily?) change in exigent circumstances, like stroke or grief or trauma or TBI or any disease severely hampering the functioning of the CNS and brain. Everybody's heard about ADHD kids' personalities changing somewhat under the influence of stimulant drugs; that personality subversion starts with changing brain chemistry, right? The comprising parts of the personality would have altered and the individual, therefore, would need to select new coping mechanisms, sink or swim. Imagine a car - changing the tires or design would undoubtedly change the car's specs. How are people different? I realize it's popular in MBTI circles to dogmatically assert that type is static but how much of that is thoughtless group think? I guess I would ask this question - at what age (from birth?) is personality, as assessed via MBTI channels, solidified? Supposing the answer given is some time after birth (e.g., ~9 years old) what are the driving factors before then and why can't personality change in the same early way later in life provided special circumstances? These meditations make me wish Jung more specifically talked about differentiation.

 

[redbaron]

Experiment or not, it is immensely draining to pretend to be somebody or something you are not.

I suspect there are plenty of actors who would disagree.

 

[viche]

I will keep this simple and see where you guys take it. Do you think that we all have an ESFJ living deep inside of our minds somewhere?

It's duality according to socionics, look under LII Analyst and ESE Bonvivant - http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/content.php/17-Duality-Descriptions-Meged-Ovcharov

 

[Pilot the Cannibal]

My best friend all through grade school was an ESFJ (albeit a very smart one.) We grew apart as we got older, but in general we're still relatively good friends. I think INTPs can get along with any personality type--we just can't get along with idiots.

 

[Tony3d]

Have any of you INTPs on here ever expereinced a "need to be needed"?

I think that is a ISFJ trait, but ISFJs do in fact have the same functions as us just in a mixed up order, so could there be a connection to that?

Then again, maybe I am just crazy, I wouldn't doubt that.

 

[The Gopher]

I have an INFP living inside me somewhere... he is cute and cuddly and I call him Oliver...

But yes under stress Intp's often turn into ESFJ's. Happens about as often as we get stressed. Which.... isn't often

 

[Tony3d]

I have an INFP living inside me somewhere... he is cute and cuddly and I call him Oliver...

But yes under stress Intp's often turn into ESFJ's. Happens about as often as we get stressed. Which.... isn't often

I wonder if the stress on my internal thinking not being able to balance my introverted tendencies with my extroverted needs is causing my Si and Fe to become more dominant at times.

Isn't it great to be just extraverted enough to be lonely but still too introverted to do anything about it.

 

[own8ge]

This thread makes no sense to me.
I have an INTP living inside me, and so should you. (?!)

You make no sense whatsoever, clarification should have been inevitable. Because it makes no sense. That's all I can say about this subject, because it really... Makes no sense.

 

[Tony3d]

This thread makes no sense to me.
I have an INTP living inside me, and so should you. (?!)

You make no sense whatsoever, clarification should have been inevitable. Because it makes no sense. That's all I can say about this subject, because it really... Makes no sense.

Your lack or curiosity for an INTP intrigues me.