ENTPvsINTP?

[LAM]

I am not actually serious about ENTP>INTP. But nobody ever goes on a thread that has ENTP in the title -_- . In fact I wouldn't be surprised if only 4 people post on this :=/ </p>
(Also don't read the last few paragraphs. Theyr pretty depressing. )Anyway to the main point: from all the talk on forums of ENTPs and INTPs I have garnered a couple of main points:

ENTPs: are louder, more extroverted than INTPs. They are &quot;all-over&quot;, which basically means they continually think about new stuff. They are apparently very good at presenting their ideas too. More energetic, less prone to schizoid and other medical issues that INTPs suffer from. Or maybe there are more in touch with society and as such wouldn't suffer from being dysfunctional like INTPs who are in my opinion more likely to shut themselves off from the rest of society.

INTPs: quieter, more introverted, spend more time thinking and as Adymus once said something about INTPs bringing information back to put into their theoretical systems. Something like that :=/ .
Nobody said what the ENTP system of thinking is better or worse at than an INTP one. As far as I can see ENTPs are told to be more extroverted and inventive versions of us. Also, no-one has said anything about the differences of an ENTP and INTP on an relationship and emotional level (when I say no-one I mean no-one went into it in any kind of detail.)
Somewhat off-topic depressed rant coming up: I mean I have to try extremely hard to be energetic, optimistic and not lazy. They are born with it. I am socially retarded, they generally aren't. I seem to be putting in all this hard work so I could become someone that is more like an ENTP. And I am still slightly lazy and this (15 years) is the first time I can say I am happy/content/optimistic. INTPs only seem to become happy when they become older; I don't want to waste my healthiest and most active years fighting myself so I could be a functioning person. And I am damn well not going to lapse into a miserable rut.

Or maybe thats what I am supposed to do. Maybe I am meant to waste my first 25 years of life thinking up weird shit that most people will never hear or care about. Then realise that. I could write a diary of my thoughts I guess. So I don't forget them. Maybe find some use for them later.

This might as well be the second type of questions for the thread: What is the purpose of INTPs in a society? To have careers we half like and spend most of the time thinking up stuff until we finally think up something useful. Although that might be never and implementing it might never happen too. So what; INTPs have to have shit early life so they could have the small chance of changing something?It seems we are saddled with disadvantages for intelligence that for most part will not help anyone or ourselves for most of the time. /end of rant.
Note: most of this article is opinions and some generalisations I got from YOU guys. Also I was pissed off while writing this. (I usually get angry instead of sad. I try really hard not to lapse back into my pointless misery even if I replace it with an almost equally stupid emotion. )

 

[Cognisant]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards

Ask most anyone what the meaning of life is and they'll tell you to stop bothering them with silly unanswerable questions, an INTP will ask if you want the whole version or just a bare-basics summary, some will even offer a mathematical answer.

INTPs are programmers, engineers, architects, scientists, philosophers, artists, composers, writers, etc. Now I can't say this is true for every INTP, but when I look at the world I see so much that could only have come from an INTP's mind, far more than the mere 1% INTPs could expected to be responsible for.

 

[LAM]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards

Ask most anyone what the meaning of life is and they'll tell you to stop bothering them with silly unanswerable questions, an INTP will ask if you want the whole version or just a bare-basics summary, some will even offer a mathematical answer.

INTPs are programmers, engineers, architects, scientists, philosophers, artists, composers, writers, etc. Now I can't say this is true for every INTP, but when I look at the world I see so much that could only have come from an INTP's mind, far more than the mere 1% INTPs could expected to be responsible for.

Well that was all I needed. I am just too easy to cheer up

 

[Negative Space]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...adraticWizards

I must say that is a very, VERY good metaphorical example to compare INTPs to.

 

[Beat Mango]

I was going to say that INTPs are more brilliant, but, Cog's analogy is a far better way of putting it.

 

[Cavallier]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...adraticWizards

^I just keep my head down until I've learned enough to kick ass you know?

In my rather long experience with an ENTP (My father and close friend. Yes, I'm willing to admit that ) I've discovered that they can be very brilliant. They are quick in the uptake. I don't really think INTPs in general are any more clever or brilliant then ENTPs but we do study things in more depth and therefore become, in the long run, more adept (pun intended). ENTPs tend to grasp an idea quickly and then immediately apply it. For this reason they make for brilliant conversationalists. Sorry, I used the wrong word. I should have said conversational combatants. They are quick but they miss important details. They quickly grow bored and move on to the next thing. They are worse about it then we are.

 

[Words]

The difficulty of extroversion? What about the difficulty of introversion? Of focus and in-depth analysis?

 

[shoeless]

INTP - seek to understand
ENTP - seek to invent

i love ENTP's. my best friend/fiance is an ENTP. they're fantastic, they really are.
but INTP's are too. we both have our strengths and weaknesses. i have a couple INTP friends and i love 'em to death. conversationally, they just seem more... "out of it", in their own world, which isn't a bad thing. they're just as intelligent and creative and everything. it's fun to pick their brains.

it sounds to me like you're just bummed about being less social that our ENTP buddies.
personally i believe everybody has the capacity to be perfectly social, introverted or not. it might not come as naturally, but it's a skill that everyone can develop.
you don't have to entertain a crowd or anything. just find some friends, friends you can connect to and converse with, and that's all you should need to be happy.

(easiest way to do this: suspend inhibition. just long enough to strike up a conversation.)

 

[boradicus]

Regarding your post below ---- I am doing an experiment this year that you might find interesting. I am looking into the ways that an INTP such as myself may in fact trasnform into an ENTP or at least grab some of the survival skills of ENTPs and make use of them ! check it out:

intp2entp.wikispaces.com

I am not actually serious about ENTP>INTP. But nobody ever goes on a thread that has ENTP in the title -_- . In fact I wouldn't be surprised if only 4 people post on this :=/ </p>
(Also don't read the last few paragraphs. Theyr pretty depressing. )Anyway to the main point: from all the talk on forums of ENTPs and INTPs I have garnered a couple of main points:

ENTPs: are louder, more extroverted than INTPs. They are &quot;all-over&quot;, which basically means they continually think about new stuff. They are apparently very good at presenting their ideas too. More energetic, less prone to schizoid and other medical issues that INTPs suffer from. Or maybe there are more in touch with society and as such wouldn't suffer from being dysfunctional like INTPs who are in my opinion more likely to shut themselves off from the rest of society.

INTPs: quieter, more introverted, spend more time thinking and as Adymus once said something about INTPs bringing information back to put into their theoretical systems. Something like that :=/ .
Nobody said what the ENTP system of thinking is better or worse at than an INTP one. As far as I can see ENTPs are told to be more extroverted and inventive versions of us. Also, no-one has said anything about the differences of an ENTP and INTP on an relationship and emotional level (when I say no-one I mean no-one went into it in any kind of detail.)
Somewhat off-topic depressed rant coming up: I mean I have to try extremely hard to be energetic, optimistic and not lazy. They are born with it. I am socially retarded, they generally aren't. I seem to be putting in all this hard work so I could become someone that is more like an ENTP. And I am still slightly lazy and this (15 years) is the first time I can say I am happy/content/optimistic. INTPs only seem to become happy when they become older; I don't want to waste my healthiest and most active years fighting myself so I could be a functioning person. And I am damn well not going to lapse into a miserable rut.

Or maybe thats what I am supposed to do. Maybe I am meant to waste my first 25 years of life thinking up weird shit that most people will never hear or care about. Then realise that. I could write a diary of my thoughts I guess. So I don't forget them. Maybe find some use for them later.

This might as well be the second type of questions for the thread: What is the purpose of INTPs in a society? To have careers we half like and spend most of the time thinking up stuff until we finally think up something useful. Although that might be never and implementing it might never happen too. So what; INTPs have to have shit early life so they could have the small chance of changing something?It seems we are saddled with disadvantages for intelligence that for most part will not help anyone or ourselves for most of the time. /end of rant.
Note: most of this article is opinions and some generalisations I got from YOU guys. Also I was pissed off while writing this. (I usually get angry instead of sad. I try really hard not to lapse back into my pointless misery even if I replace it with an almost equally stupid emotion. )

 

[ijustprotectedmyidentity]

ahaha so true and so funny. about the meaning of life. what do you mean when you say that when u see the world u believe that it came from intps elaborate!

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards

Ask most anyone what the meaning of life is and they'll tell you to stop bothering them with silly unanswerable questions, an INTP will ask if you want the whole version or just a bare-basics summary, some will even offer a mathematical answer.

INTPs are programmers, engineers, architects, scientists, philosophers, artists, composers, writers, etc. Now I can't say this is true for every INTP, but when I look at the world I see so much that could only have come from an INTP's mind, far more than the mere 1% INTPs could expected to be responsible for.

 

[bovinity]

ENTP's are less patient, more assertive, more sociable INTP's.

 

[Adymus]

ENTP's are less patient, more assertive, more sociable INTP's.

They are not INTPs, period.

Dominant Ne versus Dominant Ti makes a very big difference in how they function.

 

[bovinity]

They use the same cognitive functions in a different order. They are not that different.

The dominant function is just what energizes a person most, so yes naturally there are going to be differences in how an ENTP seeks energy vs how an INTP seeks energy, but that doesn't really make the types that different on the whole.

 

[Adymus]

I am aware of that, but you are missing my point.

Different order of functions does make a big enough difference to make the "more something something something INTPs" statement false. ISFJs also have the same functions as INTPs, but it would be ridiculous to say that they are the same. They are not INTPs no matter how you slice it. They have completely different priorities

 

[bovinity]

My experience tells me otherwise. Two of my best friends are ENTP's and we are able to bounce off each other like we share brains.

There are definitely huge differences between us in how we deal with other people and such, though.

I really don't know what you mean by "priorities" though. An ENTP and INTP are going to have much more similar priorities than an ESTJ and an xNTP.

 

[Cognisant]

Two of my best friends are ENTP's and we are able to bounce off each other like we share brains.

Sounds exhausting, would be fun though.

I am aware of that, but you are missing my point.

...I'm starting to suspect bovinity is somewhere between E & I, if not indeed an ENTP.

What Adymus was getting at was how ENTPs grasp the world through visceral comprehension, there's no separation of sensation from meaning like there is with an INTP, metaphorically an INTPs mind is like the inside of a submarine because there's little interaction between thought and at-the-moment happenings with the outside word, whilst an ENTP mind is connected directly to external happenings by the Ne windows.

Existentialism is something that could only have come from an INTP's mind.
…Okay, perhaps an INTJ.

 

[alepov]

A good friend of mine is ENTP usually, but we did the tests a couple of times, and sometimes he comes out as INTP, so the difference cannot be THAT big. Just depended on his mood. (NTP scored always remained solid).
Also my E/I score varies from 90% to barely I in different moods..

He is also one of the 2 people I know who fully understand my way of thinking (the other is a INTJ & excluding my parents, INTP's).

 

[Dr. Zombie]

There's a lot of commonality between all NTs, I think much more so than, say NFs, SFs or STs. I get along with and understand NTs of all types pretty well, but struggle often with the others. We all share neurotic tendencies, inventiveness, theoretical understanding and a severe intellectual bent, the difference seems to be in the application.

Let us say that you have a flash of brilliance about some topic (which happens often for most NTs) and some sort of invention results. Here's how that amazing insight would be applied:

INTP: Would want to understand the concept behind the thing, to be able to understand what makes it tick, why it ticks and what the ramifications of its use might be.

ENTP: Would want to turn the thing into some sort of marketable invention to make tons of money with.

INTJ: Would lay out an efficient, cost-effective manufacturing method for making the thing, organizing each step of the process.

ENTJ: Would figure out how to use the thing to attempt world domination.

So that said, I think us NTs would work rather well together .

 

[intp a]

I know one ENTP from my earliest childhood, I was very close with her and I still maintain contact with her. Now I can say that I really don't like ENTP's. They are control freaks and the world is their playground with people being their puppets. Similar to psychopaths, only with emotions. They must make everything fit good by their standards. And when they can't understand something in their "playground" they deny that it exists and it becomes their obsession until they destroy it.
Maybe not all of ENTP's are like this, this is just my experience with one

I'd say that INTP's are much better. Much less invasive.

 

[LAM]

There's a lot of commonality between all NTs, I think much more so than, say NFs, SFs or STs. I get along with and understand NTs of all types pretty well, but struggle often with the others. We all share neurotic tendencies, inventiveness, theoretical understanding and a severe intellectual bent, the difference seems to be in the application.

Let us say that you have a flash of brilliance about some topic (which happens often for most NTs) and some sort of invention results. Here's how that amazing insight would be applied:

INTP: Would want to understand the concept behind the thing, to be able to understand what makes it tick, why it ticks and what the ramifications of its use might be.

ENTP: Would want to turn the thing into some sort of marketable invention to make tons of money with.

INTJ: Would lay out an efficient, cost-effective manufacturing method for making the thing, organizing each step of the process.

ENTJ: Would figure out how to use the thing to attempt world domination.

So that said, I think us NTs would work rather well together .

Funny how I actually do all of those. Depending on what I need to do I use the INTJ then ENTP method to maximise the money. Usually thought if i had the time I would do INTP, INTJ, ENTP and then ENTJ methods.

 

[walfin]

ENTP: Would want to turn the thing into some sort of marketable invention to make tons of money with.

Funny, this is what I usually want.

But I am certainly not an ENTP.