Electronic fags

[Cognisant]

For example: social-lites.com.au
(I'm not benefiting from making this thread, unless you count the miniscule contribution this free advertising may have on the Australian economy and by extension the value of the money I already have)

A smoker I know got these recently and I've always thought smoking looked like fun so when I heard it wasn't going to kill me I just had to try it, the cigarette flavoured ones they were, and they tasted like shit, just like a real cigarette’s smoke smells (don't know why I don't smoke as I'm going to die of lung cancer anyway, damn smokers). Anyway so now I'm considering buying some but I want to know what my peers (you people) think of such things, does smoking a fake fag make me a pussy or is this nerdy enough to be cool (the times we live in...) I mean c'mon they're electronic.

 

[SpaceYeti]

If you're gonna smoke, just smoke. The way I understood it, these are for people trying to quit or who need to go a while without real ones for whatever reason.

 

[Cognisant]

But they're flavoured, fun to use, I'm fucked up enough without drugs of any kind, and getting brain cancer 150 years from now will fuck up my immortality.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

I do think you'll get a lot of people talking behind your back.
People don't like it when you smoke and STILL want to minimize risks. My weed-smoking friends always consider me a pussy because I really can't/don't want to take heroic amounts, and I keep talking about how we should stop mixing it with tobacco because it has radioactive compounds in it.

Same with alcohol, or any drug for that matter I guess. People think it's more socially acceptable to go for the most harmful way because it makes them seem more risque or so. It sucks and it's stupid, but hey, people are like that...

 

[Cavallier]

<----Ask him. He'd tell you.

There was a booth for those or something similar at a mall near my house recently. The manager had gone out of his way to hire attractive vaguely European looking people. (Oh the Yanks and their obsession with accents) All they did was stand around and smoke their little fake cigarettes and chat with people who walked by.

I was dumbfounded. I stood there staring at them thinking "Jesus they actually look cool" while simultaneously thinking "what a bunch of sad little losers" about the people circling the salesmen.

It's like leather boots or tight pants. It's a prop for sexual attraction. Nothing more, nothing less. So far as that goes I don't really see anything wrong with it (except that pants and boots have inherent value outside of sexual attraction). All they give you is an aura of calm confidence and a little danger yes? I'd recommend developing that without the cigarettes. Once you've mastered that you could sit on a park bench eating chips and ooze sex appeal.

Then again, as affectations go it's not a very annoying one.

EDIT:

But they're flavoured, fun to use, I'm fucked up enough without drugs of any kind, and getting brain cancer 150 years from now will fuck up my immortality.

Ah, see now there's a reason to get them. It's nice to have something to fiddle with during down time in a public arena. I have often thought that the attractive thing about cigarettes is they allow you to stand around in a public arena observing people without looking awkward or as if you have no reason to be there. The other handy thing about cigarettes is their ice-breaking ability. When I travel by myself I have carried cigarettes in the past because it's easy to start a conversation with "got a light?". People are not so suspicious and guarded in that situation as they would be if I just walked over and started talking to them for no easily apparent reason.

 

[Cognisant]

Okay as a fake cigarette, these are pretty lame, the concept of a fake cigarette is lame.

But as something in of itself I reckon these could be pretty cool, imagine if instead of trying to make them look like a cigarette they were made out of chrome or brushed steel with an LED that lights up four lines around the tip like the suppressor of a gun barrel.

Like an oxygen bar but portable, and without the oxygen.

 

[Cavallier]

 

[SpaceYeti]

^ I want more pictures of that woman smoking.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

Phallic implications aside (c'mon why do you think yeti likes that picture), I just don't see any point to fake cigarettes. There's not going to be a calming or buzzed effect, and the social lubrication aspects are minimized since you don't need a lighter and can't bum cigarettes to other people.

I have purposefully befriended smokers before, as I'm one of the few that likes 2nd hand smoke. It's my favorite olfactory sensation, but these 'social lites' only seem to have the functionality of bubblegum. Do you have any particular reason for wanting one?

 

[kantor1003]

Just posting so I can get back to this thread at a later time when I'm not busy. I have used electronic cigarettes for about 3 months now and probably have some relevant information/input/experiences to share.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Most of my buddies smoke, so I make a habit of taking second hand smoking breaks just because I want a break and I want to do it where other people are, instead of staring at the ground for ten minutes.

 

[Vrecknidj]

I think that perhaps just asking the question reveals everything you need to reveal.



Dave

 

[Cognisant]

but these 'social lites' only seem to have the functionality of bubblegum. Do you have any particular reason for wanting one?

That's exactly it, the functionality of bubblegum.

I think that perhaps just asking the question reveals everything you need to reveal.

Yeah I'm ahead of the curve and I'm sick of waiting for you lot to catch up

 

[AlisaD]

Oh, c'mon people, am I really the only one who instantly had this image in my head when I saw the thread title?
Really?

By the way cog, you do look good in blue.

 

[Cognisant]

Lol, and you love don't you?

Mmm yeah.

 

[Lostwitheal]

To be honest...just get yourself some lollipops and stand around sucking on them. That way, you'll be able to stand around in public places yet still look like you're doing something. Plus, you'll be able to give out lollipops to passing children and pick them up.

Paedo Cog

 

[Cognisant]

Ha ha haa... *puts an arm over Lostwitheal's shoulders* you're a funny guy, I like you.
*squeezes* Why can't I have more friends like this? *squeezes harder*

*snap*

Oh dear, my bad

 

[Melkor]

I thought this was going to be about Cog's homoerotic robot inklings.

I go away disappointed it seems.

 

[Cognisant]

Hey now you know I'm always here for your homoerotic needs Melkor

 

[Bird]

For example: social-lites.com.au
(I'm not benefiting from making this thread, unless you count the miniscule contribution this free advertising may have on the Australian economy and by extension the value of the money I already have)

A smoker I know got these recently and I've always thought smoking looked like fun so when I heard it wasn't going to kill me I just had to try it, the cigarette flavoured ones they were, and they tasted like shit, just like a real cigarette’s smoke smells (don't know why I don't smoke as I'm going to die of lung cancer anyway, damn smokers). Anyway so now I'm considering buying some but I want to know what my peers (you people) think of such things, does smoking a fake fag make me a pussy or is this nerdy enough to be cool (the times we live in...) I mean c'mon they're electronic.

I smoked off of one of these about a month ago.
Someone at a party had one. It was weird and I
did not like the feel of it.

 

[Minuend]

I thought this was going to be about Cog's homoerotic robot inklings.

I go away disappointed it seems.

Hear, hear =(

 

[Lostwitheal]

Ha ha haa... *puts an arm over Lostwitheal's shoulders* you're a funny guy, I like you.
*squeezes* Why can't I have more friends like this? *squeezes harder*

*snap*

Oh dear, my bad

Hear hear!

Hey now you know I'm always here for your homoerotic needs Melkor

Alright, alright, I'll fix the errors in my previous post which caused such offence...

To be honest...just get yourself some lollipops and stand around sucking on them. That way, you'll be able to stand around in public places yet still look like you're doing something. Plus, you'll be able to give out lollipops to passing Irish emo guys and pick them up.

Homo Cog

 

[Pride]

Same with alcohol, or any drug for that matter I guess. People think it's more socially acceptable to go for the most harmful way because it makes them seem more risque or so. It sucks and it's stupid, but hey, people are like that...

Incorrect usage of risqué.

Risky would have been more appropriate.

 

[aracaris]

LOL, yeah, I seriously thought this was going to be some sort of robots and sexuality related thread, and I just couldn't help but take a peak.

Oh, c'mon people, am I really the only one who instantly had this image in my head when I saw the thread title?
Really?

By the way cog, you do look good in blue.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

haha

 

[kantor1003]

Phallic implications aside (c'mon why do you think yeti likes that picture), I just don't see any point to fake cigarettes. There's not going to be a calming or buzzed effect,

It is nicotine in them in case you didn't know. E-liquid (or prefilled cartridges and cartomizers) can be bought with everything from 0 to 40+ mg of nicotine with 18 and 24 mg being the most common. The point with e-cigarettes would basically be to save millions of people screwing up their lungs. For non-smokers, well.. I would rather go for that over regular ones obviously, but I don't see any reason to. At least get the nicotine free ones.

I'd recommend buying something like an ego-t for starters. The ones posted pictures of in this thread have really bad battery life.

An yes, cog, same here, I haven't really enjoyed any tobacco flavors yet either and this is coming from an x-smoker. I usually vape strawberry (totally wicked´s strawberry is awesome but kind of expensive) , menthol or a combination of the two. There are loads of flavors to test out there though and I have tried quite a few, but almost all the e-liquids I have bought have been from china :/

Seriously though, e-cigs are a god send to smokers. They taste better, don't screw up your lungs, gives you the feeling of smoking, don't smell (other than a hint of whatever flavor you are using. I've gotten quite a few compliments on how good it smells), no more smoke smell lingering on to the clothes, one can use them everywhere as it's only vapor (I really enjoy not having to go out to smoke at the local pub when it reaches below -20 c outside), they don't miss color your teeth, etc. etc. I mean there is absolutely no reason to smoke anymore and the ones that do should really give e-cigs a go. Analogs are old school, why use a lighter when you instead can charge it up via usb?:P

 

[crippli]

Well. One faulty electronic fag isn't much to go by. But still. This sounds rather dramatic.
http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health...garette-explodes-in-Fla-mans-mouth/53108758/1

 

[Cognisant]

That's very odd, a tiny overcharged LiPoly?
They can "explode" but I've never heard of one going off with a blast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vYn2lbBh0Q

Certainly not one as small as I assume it would have to be... I find this all very suspicious.

 

[kantor1003]

Just to shed some light on this so as not to scare away potential smokers that want to try out e-cigarettes.
Following copied from the ecf (electronic cigarette forum):

Spoiler

• ECF has had a total of around 8 reports of 'facial explosions' and 'rocket-mode fails' now. However, asking around vendors, many of them do know of events that were not reported on ECF and where teeth were knocked out or similar. This leads us to think there may have been about double this number - perhaps 15 blowups in total.

• All explosions reported so far involve metal tube mods with two batteries in series.

• Box mods are not implicated. Apart from electrical factors such as a plastic or wood body, there is the likelihood that gas will escape from a squonk hole, and/or the lid/door will simply blow off at the first outgas stage before the violent second-stage outgas.

• 
  Single-battery mods are not implicated, as far as we are aware at ECF.

• Regular e-cigarettes are not implicated, as far as we are aware at ECF (minis like the 510 and KR808).

• 
  All lithium battery types, either single or in pairs, can suffer from a meltdown including heat, gas and flame. There are no exceptions to this. There is no such thing as a 'safe' lithium battery of any kind. There is a difference between meltdown and explosion though: the explosions causing injury always happen to stacked batteries in metal tube mods.

For those interested, you can read the whole thing here
Additional information:
Rechargeable Batteries
Warning - rechargeable batteries for mods

 

[Cognisant]

All explosions reported so far involve metal tube mods with two batteries in series.

What the hell for?

 

[kantor1003]

Spoiler

"Why do batteries explode?

A while back this wasn't clear, but we are fairly sure about the answer now. There are several reasons but far and away the most likely is over-driving a battery that may be faulty in some way. Here are the current answers in order of likelihood:

1. Demanding too much current (in amps) from a battery that cannot safely provide it. Small rechargeable cells often do not have a discharge rating high enough to drive an atomizer safely - meaning, if there is some form of fault or issue anywhere in the manufacturing quality / charging cycle / battery care (dropped or damaged) / paired up in series / chain of events, a battery can fail and go into thermal runaway.

Large batteries rarely suffer a violent de-gassing / explosion event; small cells are usually the culprits. The RCR123 format has more than its fair share of incidents, probably because it is normally under-rated for the job and paired in series with another battery. Very few RCR123 types are rated high enough to run an atomizer safely. 'Safely' means that if there is a fault somewhere (as in the 'chain' list above), the cell can still work without danger.

There is no safety margin in most of these small cells. If you get the biggest battery you can, the safety factor is massively increased - many (possibly most) small cells can't safely handle the load of an atomizer.

2. Placing them in series to double the voltage increases the risk. There are more factors that can go wrong, such as double the chance one cell in the pair might be faulty; pairing two cells that are not absolutely equal in all respects; and doubling the voltage and thus the workload.

3. Using unprotected lithium batteries is a fast track to danger. Just don't do it. Use protected lithium (Li-ion) rechargeables, or much better, a battery with a safer chemistry such as Li-Mn or high-quality Li-FePo4. We have not heard of an Li-Mn cell failing, although it may happen of course - no rechargeable battery is entirely safe. We only have one report of a Li-FePo4 failing*. There are dozens of reports of Li-ion cells failing violently.
* We now have a second Li-FePo4 failure at 2012-01-21. Unfortunately, it is the worst mod explosion to date, causing serious injury. A pair of Tenergy cells was involved - so our warnings have proved correct.

4. System faults may be an issue - such as a faulty switch or a metal edge that scrapes off some of the battery coating, allowing a different negative path to exist (a 'short' to the case) - but it's now thought that the majority of incidents occur due to an internal battery failure of some sort."

source: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html