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Hey dwags,

You seem like a very well rounded happy INTP. Can you tell me more about yourself and about how you live your life?

Tell me, what is a typical day for you? Do you wake up early? Are you plagued with the same INTP problems like the rest of us (ei. Laziness, paranoia, procrastination...)?
 

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Couldn't you have PMed him instead?
 

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hehe

I'm actually glad he put it out here. I'd understand if dwags just responded with a PM, but I'd be curious to see the response myself.
 

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yo what up people, i don't come around here very often so yeah, just saw this.

uhm, hmmmm. yeah.

well i'll say this. i used to be really messed up the way some intp's can tend to be. basically i think it boiled down to this . . . well not just this but this is a big part of it. The intp seems to interpret whatever is going on in his or her own head as reality, but the truth is it isn't even close to reality. in fact, what goes on inside most intp's heads is so different from what goes on in everyone elses head that it can be very difficult for an intp to correctly interpret reality. i guess i'm talking mostly about social reality here.

i'm not sure if any of this makes sense, but basically i came to a point in my life where i told myself i was going to do everything in my power to correctly perceive reality, this means knowing how people think, what they REALLY think, and not what i assume they think. i think this can be much harder than it sounds for most intp's, because they simply don't care to try. but then when everything is all screwed up or whatever they don't know what to do. this doesn't only apply for social reality, it applies to reality in general, but there are different aspects to reality i guess. the point is, most intp's seem to think that their little internal reality is the true reality, but it isn't even close. i've strived over the years to figure out what the "true" reality is, how to live in it, how to interpret it, how to manipulate it, etc.

i don't know if any of this makes sense at all.

by the way, i'm pretty much a complete bum. i know that i could be rich and successful and find a girl and all that crap, but i really don't seem to care that much about that stuff. even though i have stressed the idea of interpreting reality correctly, you still have to hold on to what is most important to you. is reality all about money and chicks and success? some people think so, but i do not. i definitely think that true reality is more about love, happiness, and . . . yes, God. Either their is a true meaning to life, or there is not. I for one think there is a meaning, and thus there is a God. I also have to admit that believing in God and my own spiritual experiences played a huge role in motivating me to try to correctly perceive reality.

ok, well, this was a hard question to answer and i have no idea if i've succeeded or not, but i tried.

i would tell you more about my life but there isn't a whole lot to tell. i am a ski bum basically. the ski season is over right now so my day usually consists of doing whatever i feel like doing, and then going to work. i try to exercise regularly, and i also read a lot of books, both fiction and non-fiction. i am also entertaining the idea of going back to school in bozeman montana because i think learning is fun, and if i got a job in mechanical engineering or computer science or something then i could have a cool job, make enough cash to not be stressed about my financial situation, and then move to salt lake city where i can both be a ski bum and have a professional career at the same time, which pretty much sounds great to me. plus i'm really into motorcycles and fast cars so i think it would be kind of cool to be able to afford those things (but only if i can get the money by doing something i actually want to do). i've also considered doing a lot of other things, like being a philosophy professor or a scientist or an author. like most intp's i have a lot of interests and sometimes it is hard for me to stay interested in one thing for very long. but i don't really let it stress me out because, like i said, i don't equate the mainstream idea of success with the idea of having a good career so i can make a lot of money and buy a big house and all that crap. so even if i am a bum for the rest of my life, and never accomplish anything that would deem me successful by their standards, i think i will still be a pretty happy guy. it's all about peace, you have to be able to view reality correctly, view yourself correctly, and then make peace between the two. that is my formula for a successful life i guess, as if there were such a thing.
 

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I don't much wanna steal his chance for follow-up questions.....but what did you find goes through other peoples' heads during social interactions, and how is it different than what goes through your typical intp's?
 

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Trying to figure out what other ppl are thinking is easy though. Your answer has disappointed me Dwags...:(

LoL newayz thanks for taking time in answering though. Much appreciated.
 
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That was kind of a rude response, Red Toad. :(
We all have our own problems, it's about getting a healthy mindset and systematically making each one of them commit suicide. haha
...I mean the problems... >.>
 

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Hey...at least I thanked him...
 

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Trying to figure out what other ppl are thinking is easy though. Your answer has disappointed me Dwags...:(

Harsh!

I got a lot out of it, for what it's worth. In fact I think getting out of our heads and into reality is damn important, that's why I started the "Practising Se" thread, to help me do that.
 

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But don't you guys find that people are really simple to figure out?

Even though I am in my world most of the time, I can read their actions and face expressions and understand how they are feeling and what their motivations are.

I wasn't trying to sound harsh. I just thought it was kind of simple. No offense meant.
 

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Are they really simple to figure out, or are you falling prey to what he described, assuming that other people think exactly how you think they do?

(also: I think I got some out of it, too. It was not a useless response by any means)
 

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Hmmm...maybe you guys are right.

I will re examine my thinking.

*makes robot noises*

Nope i'm still right. lol

Seriously, though. I might be wrong.
 

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Are they really simple to figure out, or are you falling prey to what he described, assuming that other people think exactly how you think they do?

(also: I think I got some out of it, too. It was not a useless response by any means)

I agree. I read this article http://www.personalitypage.com/INTP_per.html, and it said pretty much the same thing. That a lot of INTPs rely on selective feeding to the Ti from the Ne, when in reality we make greatest use of our "toolkits" when we let the Ne just gather 'blind' data. The introspective nature that INTPs have make it really easy to skew Ne input to fit the preexisting archaetypes that our internal worlds have built for things. Basically, a major facet of growth occurs when our inner worlds are fluid and dynamic, intuitively adjusting to incoming Ne, as opposed to static, where Ne is selectively ingested, and anything that does not fit the rigid Ti structure is thrown out. This can cause a natural expansion in an INTP's thinking patterns, and the benefits include drawing connections faster (healthier Ne and more robust Se), between things that would be lost had we cast aside "illogical" incoming Ne info. Dwags' answer, and the INTP article helped me realize that Ti is not running the show, it's just a foundation, a frame of reference that acts as an anchor to our systems oriented thinking habits.
 

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I'm sorry for acting rude Dwags. If you read my other posts, I often don't realize when I am being impolite or inconsiderate. Well most of the time it's because I don't care. But this time it was because I did not realize.
 

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One thing that bugged me is when you said you decided to try to perceive other peoples reality. Well who's to say whose reality is correct. I feel that if I were to do this, I would be denying a big part of who I am. I feel that I would be trying to conform to "their" standards. I extremely dislike how other people think. I believe in what I think. I know that sounds kind of bad, like I am being to stubborn, but I really don't want to be like everyone else and think like everyone else. If I were to do that, then I would be at a great disadvantage because they way they think is suited to how they live their lives and they are naturally inclined to it. If I were to try to think like them, I would be trying to do something that is not in my nature.

I understand that we need to get out of our comfort zones to grow, but I believe we still must stick to our strengths.

Just my opinion though.
 

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^ interesting, I hadn't seen that section of personalitypage before. But they lost me when they said to pair with an ESTJ :/

I think they meant to align yourself with one that shares some similar philosophies or viewpoints, like to act as a catalyst to execute your ideas.
 
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