Drugs

[Moocow]

If you were feeling anxious and had a high caffeine intake then it was probably the caffeine causing it. Since I stopped drinking coffee and tea I've began noticing just how much of an impact caffeine really did have on me when I did drink it a lot. Even now, just one cup of coffee may help me study or get work done, but not without unnecessary, and even seemingly inappropriate feelings of anxiety. I would classify the feeling as ambiguous dread.

So it's possible that your strange feelings are actually drug induced as well.

 

[Andropov]

Haha. In the health class I'm being forced to take, drugs are our current unit. Being in my first year of highschool, I haven't had hardly any exposure to drugs, and I haven't taken any.
Just for the record, alcohol is considered a drug, so it can't really be an anti-drug. That's what they're teaching us, anyway. I pretty much agree with that one.
As long as the drug user is smart about it and it doesn't hurt me or people I'm close to, I really don't care.

My anti-drug is not wanting to mess my mind or life up. kthnx

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Why do you type like that? I fucking hate that shit. Nothing personal... I don't mean to offend, but really, why? I can't comprehend why anyone would change their font or color in a post. Do they think it makes them "unique"? It's so pretentious and embarrassing.

 

[5k17]

Why do you type like that? I fucking hate that shit. Nothing personal... I don't mean to offend, but really, why? I can't comprehend why anyone would change their font or color in a post. Do they think it makes them "unique"? It's so pretentious and embarrassing.

Suum cuique → shut up.

So this is not the drug thread I have already posted in.
Oh well, the hardest drug I've ever taken and very probably will ever take is caffeine (but not in coffee); I've never even tried anything else, never having had the chance (nor the desire) for illegal drugs, while all legal drugs known to me taste disgusting. Also, when I can achieve a state similar to drunkenness without consuming drugs, where's the point?

 

[Dimensional Transition]

If you were feeling anxious and had a high caffeine intake then it was probably the caffeine causing it. Since I stopped drinking coffee and tea I've began noticing just how much of an impact caffeine really did have on me when I did drink it a lot. Even now, just one cup of coffee may help me study or get work done, but not without unnecessary, and even seemingly inappropriate feelings of anxiety. I would classify the feeling as ambiguous dread.

So it's possible that your strange feelings are actually drug induced as well.

That must've been it then.
I'm still quite an anxious person though. But that'll slowly fade, hopefully.

Also, when I can achieve a state similar to drunkenness without consuming drugs, where's the point?

How? How can you say you can achieve a state similar to drunkenness without ever experiencing what it's like to be drunk? I used to be like 'I'M HIGH ON LIFE'. And I actually thought I could imagine what it was like being under the influence of a drug. Until I actually got drunk and high once a few years later. That's when I realized nothing in your sober life will ever compare to being actually intoxicated. All your senses change, in a way that's not achievable by not taking in anything as a healthy individual. Except when you're a buddhist monk or something, they seem to truly experience 'different' lives when they meditate sometimes.

 

[flow]

"Parents I'm not telling your children to smoke, ya see. Cause if they just say no it be more for me."

-Devin The Dude

 

[Moocow]

That must've been it then.
I'm still quite an anxious person though. But that'll slowly fade, hopefully.


How? How can you say you can achieve a state similar to drunkenness without ever experiencing what it's like to be drunk? I used to be like 'I'M HIGH ON LIFE'. And I actually thought I could imagine what it was like being under the influence of a drug. Until I actually got drunk and high once a few years later. That's when I realized nothing in your sober life will ever compare to being actually intoxicated. All your senses change, in a way that's not achievable by not taking in anything as a healthy individual. Except when you're a buddhist monk or something, they seem to truly experience 'different' lives when they meditate sometimes.

It's possible to take drugs and remain a "healthy individual."

There is no objective state of mind that we can call normal or healthy. Buddhist meditation will lead one to a different way of perceiving the world that they believe is useful. Drugs will lead to different ways of perceiving the world which also may be useful to some, or counterproductive to the goals of others.
Simply waking up at a certain time or changing your diet can alter the way you perceive the world.

Consciousness is a flexible, adaptable process, not a rigidly defined soul of some sort that can either be clean or dirty, good or bad, etc. I think for many people it takes using drugs to realize this, while those who don't often seem to fear abandoning their perceived one and only state of consciousness, somehow trying to rationalize that it is perfect and flawless.

Suum cuique → shut up.

So this is not the drug thread I have already posted in.
Oh well, the hardest drug I've ever taken and very probably will ever take is caffeine (but not in coffee); I've never even tried anything else, never having had the chance (nor the desire) for illegal drugs, while all legal drugs known to me taste disgusting. Also, when I can achieve a state similar to drunkenness without consuming drugs, where's the point?

Here's my big question for people that "just don't see the point."

Do you look for new music to listen to? New places to explore? New foods to try?
What's the difference?

 

[Reluctantly]

"Parents I'm not telling your children to smoke, ya see. Cause if they just say no it be more for me."

-Devin The Dude

"My antidrug is you ."

-Abraham Lincoln

 

[CoryJames]

Drugs make life interesting.

 

[drugsandpizza]

i like experimenting
i'd really like to do acid
i guess weed is kind of frequent
and dxm
and sometimes just whatever pills are handy to take a lot of
whateva

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Drugs make life interesting.

Life makes drugs interesting.

 

[flow]

Life is interesting. Some drugs are interesting.. mostly juuust weed. And alcohol and caffeine and sometimes just whatever pills are handy to take a lot of
whateva

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

Drugs make life interesting

Life makes drugs interesting.

Interesting makes life drugs.

To be honest, i'm quite conservative with drugs. And yet, have a overwhelming fascination to know how does it works. Thus, i'm studying pharmacology/toxicology as major.

 

[CoryJames]

and sometimes just whatever pills are handy to take a lot of
whateva

Does it concern anyone else that a 15 year old girl says this?

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

It does, a bit. But that's her life, I can't go and hide those pills myself.

 

[Jean Paul]

Addicted to caffine, grouchy as heck without it. 5 hour energy drinks

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Interesting makes life drugs.

To be honest, i'm quite conservative with drugs. And yet, have a overwhelming fascination to know how does it works. Thus, i'm studying pharmacology/toxicology as major.

Great, don't forget about us INTPs when you get your prescription/DEA license.

 

[Underscore]

I've been a stoner for the better part of the last year, smoking every day up until about a month ago. It sort of lost it's charm for me, I used to enjoy it immensely, but lately I've been feeling anxiety to the extreme while high so I decided to kick the habit. Other drug use....Lets see...Tobacco, caffeine, Tremadol, Vicodin, Alcohol, Aderol, Mushrooms, and some other substance that made me trip, though for some reason it's name eludes me. I've never had the opportunity to try other hallucinogens, but would probably jump and the chance to, I've always wanted to try acid, ecstasy (preferably MDMA), or the intriguing "spirit molecule" DMT. My first ever mushroom trip was easily one of the best experiences of my life. Mind blowing/opening, but my trips have been hit or miss, either being incredible or absolutely terrible. I'm fairly open to the new experiences that drugs have to offer, but am wary of making a habbit out of drug use of any kind. I definitely have lines I wouldn't cross, but for the most part, I feel it's safe to try new things at least once.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

and sometimes just whatever pills are handy to take a lot of
whateva

This has to become a meme.

Spoiler

Sorry, couldn't help it!

 

[₲uardian]

This has to become a meme.

I looked at these pictures and wondered if these were real memes.

Long story short: NO this should not be a meme. it's not funny (or anything for that matter)

 

[Dimensional Transition]

They are real memes.
You can just add whatever text you want at MEMEGENERATOR.NET (IT'S TOTALLY TERRIFIC - AND FREE!)

Just kidding.
They are real memes though.

 

[5k17]

How? How can you say you can achieve a state similar to drunkenness without ever experiencing what it's like to be drunk? I used to be like 'I'M HIGH ON LIFE'. And I actually thought I could imagine what it was like being under the influence of a drug. Until I actually got drunk and high once a few years later. That's when I realized nothing in your sober life will ever compare to being actually intoxicated. All your senses change, in a way that's not achievable by not taking in anything as a healthy individual. Except when you're a buddhist monk or something, they seem to truly experience 'different' lives when they meditate sometimes.

I'm not a buddhist monk, but I certainly am something.
Having experienced only minor intoxications, I perhaps really cannot judge what it feels like, and my disgust for alcohol will very probably keep me from ever experiencing it. But I am quite happy with the state of pseudo-drunkenness I can get into, and it's beyond me why I should purchase and consume a substance that may cause physical and/or mental damage to me just for an intensified version of that state.

Here's my big question for people that "just don't see the point."

Do you look for new music to listen to? New places to explore? New foods to try?
What's the difference?

The main difference is that the chance of losing one's self-control is significantly lower for new music/places/foods.

 

[Andropov]

I smoke weed pretty frequently... Maybe once a few weeks? I'd like to try psychedelic drugs when I'm older. Would never do heroin or cocaine. The worst drugs I'd ever try would probably be opiate painkillers.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

The main difference is that the chance of losing one's self-control is significantly lower for new music/places/foods.

Those kind of arguments irritate me, before you make an analogous claim be aware of the subject you are referring to.

 

[drugsandpizza]

This has to become a meme.

Spoiler

Sorry, couldn't help it!

lmfao..

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Those kind of arguments irritate me, before you make an analogous claim be aware of the subject you are referring to.

Yeah, the thing is... You might feel like you lose a little control over your body for a while, but as long as it isn't such a hard drug that won't be as bad as it sounds. Usually it's really more of an illusion/fear of losing control than really losing control. You're still in control. You'll just feel weird.
I must say having an unexpectedly strong experience has made me quite anxious of losing control of myself though, even without any drugs. I know it's irrational, but it's still there.

 

[5k17]

as long as it isn't such a hard drug

Unfortunately, all legal drugs fall in that category.

You're still in control. You'll just feel weird.

Where's the difference?

 

[Moocow]

The main difference is that the chance of losing one's self-control is significantly lower for new music/places/foods.

That depends on the person, doesn't it? People lose control over their shopping and eating habits even if they refuse to touch drugs.
I think whether or not you are inclined to lose self control is a general trait, not something solely dependent on drugs. Of course, I still would not touch anything with a clear reputation for addictiveness.
So I'm not really disagreeing here, but my point was that it's about trying new things before you judge them so you'll be open to the good things they might offer, instead of immediately looking for all the possible reasons to dismiss it.

Although that doesn't stop people from instantly rationalizing a prejudice they already had based on the most trivial whim when they do try new things. Some people only try new things so that they'll have more reason to say "I tried ____ so I know it's bad!"

 

[5k17]

That depends on the person, doesn't it? People lose control over their shopping and eating habits even if they refuse to touch drugs.

True. I doubt there are many, if any, people who can live without any addictions.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Yeah, the thing is... You might feel like you lose a little control over your body for a while, but as long as it isn't such a hard drug that won't be as bad as it sounds. Usually it's really more of an illusion/fear of losing control than really losing control. You're still in control. You'll just feel weird.
I must say having an unexpectedly strong experience has made me quite anxious of losing control of myself though, even without any drugs. I know it's irrational, but it's still there.

I can see where you are coming from, but drugs...they are meant to alter your mental perception. To me, at least, that seems more directly detrimental than listening to a song which, most of the time, only reaches one of your senses, and has a limited effect on your perception.

 

[Moocow]

I can see where you are coming from, but drugs...they are meant to alter your mental perception. To me, at least, that seems more directly detrimental than listening to a song which, most of the time, only reaches one of your senses, and has a limited effect on your perception.

Songs are full of words from outside sources that have an influence on your thoughts regardless of whether you intend so or not. Plus they get stuck in my head randomly for years to come. You could say, in fact, that songs give me "flashbacks." Oh no!

Why do you find it inherently detrimental to alter your perception?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Note that I used the words 'seems more directly' in describing drugs, and I acknowledged in my post that music can have an effect on your mental state. I never implied that drugs are inherently detrimental.

Now in response to your question, as I have said, most of the time things like music only reach one of the senses. Drugs affect the central nervous system, and have the likelihood of altering more sensory perceptions simultaneously. Again, which seems to me, to be more likely to be 'detrimental' than one sensory perception being targeted.

 

[Moocow]

Well, yes. That's why people use them. But I see what you're saying now. I hadn't gotten from your post that you meant they have the potential to be more detrimental because of their efficacy.

Still though, I compare that to other things we do which are also just of a higher magnitude for possible risks and gains. Some people make their life careers and goals out of their addictions to video games, money, sex, power, or thrills like skydiving, speeding, etc. and subsequently feel the physical and mental drawbacks to those as well. Are these people any more righteous, albeit "normal" to us, than a drug addict who's only goal is to buy or sell more drugs, or are their goals just more complex and roundabout?

(not advocating anything here, just raising questions)

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Earlier in the year, I had my convictions about adrenaline. I won't go through my posts, but I grouped adrenaline right in with the others. I think "extreme living" has just as much risk and also the intent is usually the same as taking drugs, to experience. In these risks and experiences, though, there is a difference between moderation and addiction, which also factors into an act being 'detrimental'. I think it would need a two or three-dimensional comparison, but gambling, skydiving, speeding etc should be somewhere adjacent to drugs(of course this is where hard drugs are separated from soft drugs, and also in this comparison music would find itself near the soft drugs).

 

[Moocow]

Well we can all agree that moderation is always a good idea, but part of the reason people get addicted because they have a difficult time actually defining moderation for themselves. Other people see moderation as once a year or never at all, while some people might see it as once a day. I think the only ones who can judge what moderation means are the ones that have actually experienced their own body's reactions to too much or too little.

Anyhow you see where this is going, I'm sure.
I'd personally rather live a life that tests the arbitrariness of conventional wisdom towards health and happiness, without blatantly throwing myself into danger, than one spent sitting in an office chair proclaiming I know what's best for everyone without having any experience on which to base it. Even then, I suppose, experience can only really be for our own sake, never to be preached as global fact.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I think we milked the discussion for all it's worth . But yes I am aware of the differences between LSD, psilocybin mushrooms and heroin, crack etc; and also the need to experience things for yourself, which is what I intend to do.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Unfortunately, all legal drugs fall in that category.

Where's the difference?

Feeling weird =/= losing control.
You can still control where you walk, what limbs you move, what you eat, what you say, etc. If we're talking about the more 'soft' drugs like alcohol and weed that is. If you take psychedelics or a large dose of alcohol you'll lose control I think. But with a low dose of psychedelics that won't happen either. I haven't taken any psychedelics though. So someone with experience in things like LSD should answer this.

 

[flow]

When I took LSD I never felt out of control. I felt incredible.

 

[dark]

Drugs are bad m'kay.

 

[snafupants]

Drugs are bad m'kay.

Forget DARE and Above the Influence, that should deter anyone from being curious...ever.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

When I took LSD I never felt out of control. I felt incredible.

Didn't you get lost in your own thoughts, causing you to just... lie down or something?

 

[flow]

Not at all. It sent me through these emotional cycles. I took it with two of my best friends and we'd just have the most outrageous conversations that would take insanely ridiculous turns after a minute or so. Just very funky moods, but a lot of fun. And the lights.. my god. Anything that illuminated light morphed and moved while you watched.. I've only visually hallucinated on acid, and I realized I was actually fucking hallucinating when the glowing apple on my friend's mac started moving around (it'd turn into a pac-man and shit) and I just kept staring at it for like a half hour... couldn't believe it was actually morphing around and I was completely awake watching it morph. Also, looking in the mirror was so strange. I loved it. I'd do acid again in a heartbeat. It wasn't uncomfortable I found it exhilarating. But with all drugs, the people and the location you do it means so much. Be around people you trust in a place you know.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

At the moment it wouldn't be anything for me. My identity is still way too fragile and unsure. I'm in 10th grade, and I don't think anybody at my age would be able to handle an acid trip.

It sounds interesting though.

 

[flow]

No, I didn't do any drugs until I was 18 (the very end of my senior year of high school I started drinking). I didn't smoke weed until college or do any psychedelics until then either. Don't fuck with drugs in high school. The kids that do are the kids that typically get destroyed by it. Wait until college, man. And surround yourself with people who are interesting while their sober. Trust me. Doing drugs with dumbasses is dangerous.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

No, I didn't do any drugs until I was 18 (the very end of my senior year of high school I started drinking). I didn't smoke weed until college or do any psychedelics until then either. Don't fuck with drugs in high school. The kids that do are the kids that typically get destroyed by it. Wait until college, man. And surround yourself with people who are interesting while their sober. Trust me. Doing drugs with dumbasses is dangerous.

True, true.
Is weed that damaging in high school though? Alcohol and other drugs I can understand. And smoking weed every day wouldn't be beneficial for your development either I'd say. But a few experiments?

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

At the moment it wouldn't be anything for me. My identity is still way too fragile and unsure. I'm in 10th grade, and I don't think anybody at my age would be able to handle an acid trip.

It sounds interesting though.

A psychedelic exerience is a very wide open 'trip' through your mind. If you are afraid of what you might find there, if you are riddled with angst and/or phobias of any kind, then it might not be right for you until you get over them (if you ever do). While the company your with and surroundings are important, your worse potential enemy is yourself.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

A psychedelic exerience is a very wide open 'trip' through your mind. If you are afraid of what you might find there, if you are riddled with angst and/or phobias of any kind, then it might not be right for you until you get over them (if you ever do). While the company your with and surroundings are important, your worse potential enemy is yourself.

Definitely. I am, in fact, riddled with quite some angst at the moment. And I've always been quite an anxious person. I don't think psychedelics would ever be something for me, even if I was... say 30. I might consider it when I'm a wise old man though, but I would have probably lost interest by then in the psychedelic experience anyways.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Perhaps I should try to explain a little better (though I'm not trying to talk you into or out of anything).

Certain things might become amplified under the wrong circumstances. If you still have some lingering nervousness about being alone in the dark for example and then find youself actually alone in the dark....it could amplify your fears. It depends on what your racing thoughts latch on to. I can't say you could predict that.

From my own experience, I can descibe my worst time happened when my friends and I walked across campus to some party going on. It was very cold and windy and I HATE cold windy weather. Nows probably a good time to mention that your percptions of time tend to slow down dramatically (tangent story: I saw Mettalica's One video for the first time on acid. I had not heard the dubbing in from the movie the video was based on before. By the time it was over I felt like I watched a full length feature film...it was like the feeling you get when you go into a movie theater during the late daylight hours and come out after dark....only the video was only about 5 minutes) Anyway. That walk across campus ruined my night in ways I can't describe. I'm just making it all more confusing so I'll stop

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Ah yeah, time slowing down sucks when you're having a bad time. I had that when I tried weed for the first and (for now) last time. But I can see how you must've felt... It's not confusing at all

 

[EyeSeeCold]

True, true.
Is weed that damaging in high school though? Alcohol and other drugs I can understand. And smoking weed every day wouldn't be beneficial for your development either I'd say. But a few experiments?

The worst that can happen is dependency and behavioral shifts. Oh and you'll find that holes start to appear in your wallet.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

The worst that can happen is dependency and behavioral shifts. Oh and you'll find that holes start to appear in your wallet.

Will the shifts disappear after discontinued usage?
If that's the case I'll give it another shot.