Don't watch this

[kantor1003]

This footage ranks pretty high up on my "most revolting video clip" list.
If you don't have a hard stomach, you should avoid looking at this. It's a pretty brutal execution video made by russian neo nazis. What makes this particularly nasty, imo, is the sound. You'll understand which ones I mean if you choose to watch this.

At your discretion, here it is.

Regarding it's authenticity, I found an article in the dailymail about it.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

wow that guy fucking sucks hahaha

 

[snafupants]

Snuff film, no thanks. By the way, since when is there a "Dragon's Lair" forum? Has that always been there patiently waiting for your post?

 

[cheese]

Whose sounds were they? What a horrible way to die.

 

[The Gopher]

It is horrible but I didn't feel anything watching it. I am not a psychopath am I?

 

[kantor1003]

Whose sounds were they? What a horrible way to die.

The sound I found disturbing was the strange squeak he made when the knife first started it's way through his throat.

It is horrible but I didn't feel anything watching it. I am not a psychopath am I?

You really want to be one, don't you? Unfortunately, I think more is needed than not feeling anything looking at this video to be one.
When I watched this I put myself in his shoes imagining how it would be to be finished off in that manner. Depending on the vividness of ones imagination, emphasized by the video input, I think most should be able to provoke some kind of feeling. I know I managed to do so why else would I bother to watch it if it were not for trying to get some kind of reaction? For anatomic reasons?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

No thanks...though I did see the stoning of that one teenage female...

These kinds of things mobilize me into action but then I realize I can't do anything about it...

 

[Jennywocky]

This footage ranks pretty high up on my "most revolting video clip" list. If you don't have a hard stomach, you should avoid looking at this. It's a pretty brutal execution video made by russian neo nazis. What makes this particularly nasty, imo, is the sound. You'll understand which ones I mean if you choose to watch this.

God. I could only watch that peripherally, and I don't care to watch it again. I'm feeling ill right now.

(and yeah, I also saw Saddam's hanging, as well as the stoning of the Muslim girl who had been converted but then was lured back to her hometown by her family. All horrible stuff.)

I think I bothered to watch them only out of pure curiosity, because my mind wants to know and understand all sorts of things in life, but... I think I've kind of understood enough at this point.

When I watched this I put myself in his shoes imagining how it would be to be finished off in that manner. Depending on the vividness of ones imagination, emphasized by the video input, I think most should be able to provoke some kind of feeling. I know I managed to do so why else would I bother to watch it if it were not for trying to get some kind of reaction? For anatomic reasons?

Yeah, I feel ill because I'm extremely empathic and can't keep myself OUT of both people's heads when I see this. So I'm not just feeling the knife on my own throat, I'm also feeling the knife in my hand. It's not a great feeling.

Obviously I'd be a sucky serial killer.

 

[The Gopher]

Obviously I'd be a sucky serial killer.

A gun would take a lot of the emotion out of it. And Kantor I still didn't feel that much.

 

[Jennywocky]

A gun would take a lot of the emotion out of it.

True. Guns add distance to the violence, creating a buffer zone.

But then again, you don't get that visceral "you're really there" feeling.

Uggh. Sick again.

 

[Mello]

BLEHHH

 

[crippli]

Both executions are quickly conducted. That is the positive part.

I think the video tells the truth more honestly then all pinked up like government executions. It should be educational for people who support death penalty, if they have not fully thought it through. Maybe.

Death isn't pretty. But people who believe in an ideology often find it necessary to remove individuals from the playground. Human nature at it's finest. The mindset one see here I recognize in less dramatic ways often. And it bewilders me. Maybe I just don't believe in things. Except fairness, I believe in. But this isn't it.

Group bullying makes me sad.

 

[cheese]

^What? The beheading was so slow! Precisely my problem with it. The shooting didn't really bug me, it would likely have been quick and painless. The beheading probably involved consciousness of your own head slowly coming off your neck excruciatingly painfully and slowly. How could you stand having your head slowly detach from your body while alive? And the animal, terrified squeal as the killer started inefficiently sawing away. Horrible. If it were me in that situation I'd try any way I could to get myself shot in the head.

 

[kantor1003]

True. Guns add distance to the violence, creating a buffer zone.

But then again, you don't get that visceral "you're really there" feeling.

Uggh. Sick again.

Perhaps using a gun takes out the real "fun" of being a serial killer? If one are after deep psychological, emotional input, I imagine being within close approximation to the victim, seeing his face - how it reacts to your every move/gesticulation - looking deep into his eyes, as you both know are his last, and he into yours, I presume would create a powerful bond in some way. It would be a moment of strong passion. That face is speaking the truth, it can't hide behind a social code of conduct anymore.

Oh well, that was me trying to get inside the mind of a serial killer. That could be an interesting thread though "the pros of being a torturist/serial killer".

 

[aaaw]

What was the point in posting that?

 

[kantor1003]

For curious people to watch.

 

[aaaw]

Det var helt ekkelt.

 

[kantor1003]

Bra, da fikk du iallefall noe ut av det da.

 

[crippli]

^What? The beheading was so slow! Precisely my problem with it. The shooting didn't really bug me, it would likely have been quick and painless. The beheading probably involved consciousness of your own head slowly coming off your neck excruciatingly painfully and slowly. How could you stand having your head slowly detach from your body while alive? And the animal, terrified squeal as the killer started inefficiently sawing away. Horrible. If it were me in that situation I'd try any way I could to get myself shot in the head.

I've never been fond of ideological executions(or of any kind, but that especially). I think it's retarded no matter what way it is done. And I think the result is of a higher order then the method. Corruption of the mind. Followed with abuse of power. In short, I fail to see the point.

He could have felt the head coming off. But considering the sounds, I guess the mind have shut off. It does if the trauma is severe enough, I presume at least. The guillotine is probably more effective at this. I would have tried to pretend I was somewhere else. In a few minutes it would have been over.

Makes for an ugly corpse as well. But It appears these guys don't care that much for aesthetics.

 

[BigApplePi]

What was the point in posting that?

Some answers:

1. First the forewarning should be there. Children and some people are not ready.
2. Aside from #1 it should not be erased unless it leads to ...
3. More of the same. Far worse things have occurred in history. Need I explain?
4. The film has an impact to the degree to which one identifies. If you had seen a thousand of these you would no longer identify with the specific though you might not be indifferent to the general.
5. Removing the utube presents an issue. Are you sensitive to what happened to you or to what happened to him? Removing the utube by no means removes the ongoing act. This will happen again and I'm probably not mistaken.
6. One comes face-to-face with life and certain "sudden" death. We may not know the fellow but we experienced his passage from life to death.
7. This brings us to awareness that our life means something to us in some general way and we can lose it.
8. There is more ... I've omitted specifics.

 

[Jennywocky]

Both executions are quickly conducted. That is the positive part.

What? Compared to the rubber necklace [AKA flaming gas-filled tire around the head] method?

I guess "quick" is in the eye of the beholder. To me, it took interminably long, say, compared to a gun, or a guillotine, or some other injury of impact.

I think the video tells the truth more honestly then all pinked up like government executions. It should be educational for people who support death penalty, if they have not fully thought it through. Maybe.

I think those who support the death penalty should be able to enact the death penalty personally of the type of death penalty they are supporting. (In the States, then, it means they should be able to pull the switch that sends the current or drops the pill into the chemical or whatever.)

I don't know anyone who supports a death penalty, though, of sawing people's heads off with a Rambo blade a la "Hostel."

Perhaps using a gun takes out the real "fun" of being a serial killer? If one are after deep psychological, emotional input, I imagine being within close approximation to the victim, seeing his face - how it reacts to your every move/gesticulation - looking deep into his eyes, as you both know are his last, and he into yours, I presume would create a powerful bond in some way. It would be a moment of strong passion. That face is speaking the truth, it can't hide behind a social code of conduct anymore.

Well, yes.

I mean, anyone can SHOOT someone.
You can shoot someone from a distance and maybe even have a chance to get away.

But the typical serial killer doesn't care as much about that.

There is something in the personal aspect of the experience itself that is fulfilling or educational.

For curious people to watch.

My insatiable curiosity will eventually be the death of me.
I just know it.

 

[aaaw]

Some answers:

1. First the forewarning should be there. Children and some people are not ready.
2. Aside from #1 it should not be erased unless it leads to ...
3. More of the same. Far worse things have occurred in history. Need I explain?
4. The film has an impact to the degree to which one identifies. If you had seen a thousand of these you would no longer identify with the specific though you might not be indifferent to the general.
5. Removing the utube presents an issue. Are you sensitive to what happened to you or to what happened to him? Removing the utube by no means removes the ongoing act. This will happen again and I'm probably not mistaken.
6. One comes face-to-face with life and certain "sudden" death. We may not know the fellow but we experienced his passage from life to death.
7. This brings us to awareness that our life means something to us in some general way and we can lose it.
8. There is more ... I've omitted specifics.

I still don't see the point of posting a snuff video on an INTP forum. Yes bad things happen all the time, but this is nothing more than a vulgar form of voyeurism.

I'm not necessarily saying it should be removed, just that I don't understand why someone would choose to post it. I don't see how it contributes anything of value to our understanding of the world.

 

[BigApplePi]

To me, it took interminably long, say, compared to a gun, or a guillotine, or some other injury of impact.

I just read recently but can't recall where that one remains CONSCIOUS for 20 seconds after head removal. I assume that a clean cut. How they determined that is beyond me. (Maybe they interviewed heads of state during the French Revolution thereby determining the state of the heads.)

I understand a chicken will live for months or longer with its head cut off. You'd have to feed it though. That means if you are certain to die from cancer or something in a few days, you could arrange to have your head cut off and live another few months. (There has to be something positive about this thread.)

 

[Architect]

I still don't see the point of posting a snuff video on an INTP forum. Yes bad things happen all the time, but this is nothing more than a vulgar form of voyeurism. ...

Agreed, I haven't and won't watch it, and think it has no business on this forum.

 

[Jennywocky]

I just read recently but can't recall where that one remains CONSCIOUS for 20 seconds after head removal. I assume that a clean cut. How they determined that is beyond me. (Maybe they interviewed heads of state during the French Revolution thereby determining the state of the heads.)

The anecdotal experiment I've heard about is when a scientist's friend was going to be executed by guillotine, so he asked his friend to continue to blink after the blade fell.

When the head dropped in the bucket, the scientist was there to watch it, and he saw his friend's eyes blink 10-11 times or so before stopping. Which makes sense. At that point the blood supply in the head is gone and there is no energy by which to power conscious thought and everything shuts down.

I understand a chicken will live for months or longer with its head cut off. You'd have to feed it though. That means if you are certain to die from cancer or something in a few days, you could arrange to have your head cut off and live another few months. (There has to be something positive about this thread.)

I've heard about the chicken thing -- that a chicken had a large portion of its head cut off by a misplaced axe (or something similar) and survived, and they kept it alive for some time. Interesting.

They've also managed to swap heads on monkeys for a short while.

 

[Minuend]

I just read recently but can't recall where that one remains CONSCIOUS for 20 seconds after head removal. I assume that a clean cut. How they determined that is beyond me. (Maybe they interviewed heads of state during the French Revolution thereby determining the state of the heads.)

I understand a chicken will live for months or longer with its head cut off. You'd have to feed it though. That means if you are certain to die from cancer or something in a few days, you could arrange to have your head cut off and live another few months. (There has to be something positive about this thread.)

That 20 second thingy; isn't that a myth?

I don't see how a chicken can live without it's head. All signals controlling the body comes from there. No brain, no command to move. I would assume there are a bunch signals sent out before death that can make the creature move for some moments, but it can't live without a control centre. I mean, life support aside.

Even Mike had parts of his brain left (the brain stem was barely hurt)

The video; Yes, yes, we are all very cool and tough for being able to watch such gruesomeness.

 

[BigApplePi]

Agreed, I haven't and won't watch it, and think it has no business on this forum.

There is a contraction here. One doesn't have to watch. It is posted here with a warning. It can be described or summarized though. It has to be one of those choices because it's a truth about the world and a truth most peaceful people don't wish to have occur. The more horrible it is the more we should not have it.

A "snuff video"'s truth diminishes as we distance ourselves from it. Reverse that truth and you have the focal point. Distance is one of the six tools for understanding I've proposed: DISTANCE - UMS This video is a great example for not seeing a truth for standing too close. We have to stand back.

We can watch a Shakespeare play and see Hamlet "snuff" out a life with his sword, but it's somehow not real or as horrible as real life.

 

[BigApplePi]

The anecdotal experiment I've heard about is when a scientist's friend was going to be executed by guillotine, so he asked his friend to continue to blink after the blade fell.

When the head dropped in the bucket, the scientist was there to watch it, and he saw his friend's eyes blink 10-11 times or so before stopping. Which makes sense. At that point the blood supply in the head is gone and there is no energy by which to power conscious thought and everything shuts down.

I'm not going to win any friends among scientists because I don't trust that. What if the guy had his mind pre-set to blink and it just continued? He couldn't stop blinking. Better would be a syncopated blink but still not proof of consciousness. I've heard about a guy leaning over a train track to put his hat on. The train came by and he put his hat on the stump.

I've heard about the chicken thing -- that a chicken had a large portion of its head cut off by a misplaced axe (or something similar) and survived, and they kept it alive for some time. Interesting.

They've also managed to swap heads on monkeys for a short while.

The axe need not be misplaced, but a deliberate cut. As a child I may have seen this in my grandfather's chicken yard but it was so long ago I can't verify. I don't believe the monkey thing because of all the complicated and timely connections. Evidence?

 

[BigApplePi]

That 20 second thingy; isn't that a myth?

I don't see how a chicken can live without it's head. All signals controlling the body comes from there. No brain, no command to move.

I don't know how the nervous system works. Maybe the chicken's brain is small and there are self-sufficient nerves elsewhere ???

"Olsen's success resulted in a wave of copycat chicken beheadings, but no other chicken lived for more than a day or two."

Even a day or two is interesting.

 

[BigApplePi]

... think it has no business on this forum.

Architect you must forgive me if I treat that as a challenge. I've gotten into a peck of trouble for taking up challenges in the face of great opposition.

Anyway that post has an important theme ... but one must take up the theme. That is, what is in the minds of the executioners? It might be more politically proper to start a new thread on this, but we are here right now.

What is in the mind of the executioners?

 

[aaaw]

"Distance is one of the six tools for understanding I've proposed: DISTANCE - UMS This video is a great example for not seeing a truth for standing too close. We have to stand back.

I disagree. I think it's irrelevance and inappropriateness are completely related to distance rather than closeness. We are not observing this as people who can play a role in this drama. It is merely voyeurism.

If, for example, we were watching a video exposing war crimes committed by our government. It would be useful to see, precisey because we are close enough to play a role in what is happening. We can act upon what we see and try to effect change.

Our distance from this event makes us voyeurs and nothing more. We don't know the social, political, cultural, ideological situation that makes this act intelligible. All we are witnessing is the gruesome final act.

I don't think their are many profound truths to be gleaned from witnessing death for nothing more than deaths sake.

The truth, as far as I'm concerned, is that this sort of video does not belong here.

 

[MoonPhantom]

I don't know how the nervous system works. Maybe the chicken's brain is small and there are self-sufficient nerves elsewhere ???

"Olsen's success resulted in a wave of copycat chicken beheadings, but no other chicken lived for more than a day or two."

Even a day or two is interesting.

There is a bunch of brain still left in the spine, inside the spinal cords and spinal brain in particular are controling the motoric and most of the vital signs of animal`s body. Chicken wasn`t able to think or grasp the surroundings, but as a mechanism, he was still capable of running around and staying alive.

 

[BigApplePi]

I disagree. I think it's irrelevance and inappropriateness are completely related to distance rather than closeness. We are not observing this as people who can play a role in this drama. It is merely voyeurism.

If, for example, we were watching a video exposing war crimes committed by our government. It would be useful to see, precisely because we are close enough to play a role in what is happening. We can act upon what we see and try to effect change.

Our distance from this event makes us voyeurs and nothing more. We don't know the social, political, cultural, ideological situation that makes this act intelligible. All we are witnessing is the gruesome final act.

I don't think their are many profound truths to be gleaned from witnessing death for nothing more than deaths sake.

The truth, as far as I'm concerned, is that this sort of video does not belong here.

Let me see if I get what you are saying. You are saying the OP (original post) concentrates on voyeurism. In doing so it says nothing beyond that and what it says is repulsive enough to repel it from not only from viewing but from having been posted. I'm not sure if you are proposing censorship or posting in a more specialized location as in some government agency. One should physically and psychologically distance oneself from this utube. Is that close to what you say?

My personal view is (and it is INTP-ish-personal) is to add this other thing you said: "We don't know the social, political, cultural, ideological situation that makes this act intelligible." To me it is an opportunity to go after exactly that ... you said it well ... in a general universal way ... because it is an INTP forum and because it is voyeuristically close but morally distant. Because it is so vividly screams, "what is the morality here?" Let's find out. Let's get it right. Let's NOT be morally distant. If it were our country, we'd blame it on our country and miss what kind of people do this and why. As an INTP person I wish to be non-judgmental and this is an opportunity to test that non-judgmentality.

Perhaps a thread that begins, "Are public executions a good idea?" would be better. It would be more direct. Yes we could do that. We still can. But since this is an INTP forum with people who can think instead of succumb to the seduction of voyeurism, I thought as I have said.

 

[BigApplePi]

There is a bunch of brain still left in the spine, inside the spinal cords and spinal brain in particular are controling the motoric and most of the vital signs of animal`s body. Chicken wasn`t able to think or grasp the surroundings, but as a mechanism, he was still capable of running around and staying alive.

Thanks. That reflects on a modularized brain ... multiple brains. Humans seem to have multiple brains also as well as mysterious connectivity. Humans can "walk and chew gum at the same time." They can drive and cell phone too.

 

[crippli]

The truth, as far as I'm concerned, is that this sort of video does not belong here.

But since this is an INTP forum with people who can think instead of succumb to the seduction of voyeurism, I thought as I have said.

Well. If kantor1003 had instead posted something pornographic 'the joy of sex'. I presume kantor1003 would have been banned. That's a distinction I find interesting. What is the logic?

 

[BigApplePi]

Good point crippli. The difference could be they are seductive in different ways. One way turns us off. That turn off kills activity. The other way turns us on. Assuming it is "bad", it proliferates. Even if we decided to have an "adult" thread and the forum leaders gave their okay, it would draw so many non-INTP'ers as to loose control over if not the entire forum at least the thread.

Another possibility for censorship is, "How to build a nuclear bomb." The danger is so great that even the few who took it up would endanger the rest of us. Any other thoughts?

 

[kantor1003]

Well. If kantor1003 had instead posted something pornographic 'the joy of sex'. I presume kantor1003 would have been banned. That's a distinction I find interesting. What is the logic?

I don't understand it either. Thats how it is with news as well. In the states it's especially hypocritical. It almost gets to the point where you witness, watching the news, someone stoning a naked girl where her womanly parts and the mobs cursing is the only thing being censored out.

Regarding beheading and consciousness I remember reading something interesting on elizabethan-era.org:

"Executions by Beheading - the Tradition of showing the head...
Following execution the severed head was held up by the hair by the executioner. This was done, not as many people think to show the crowd the head, but in fact to show the head the faces of crowd and it's own body! Killing by beheading is not immediate. Consciousness remains for at least eight seconds after beheading until lack of oxygen causes unconsciousness and eventually death. The punishment by beheading therefore even continued after 'death'."

The video; Yes, yes, we are all very cool and tough for being able to watch such gruesomeness.

Oh, spare me.

 

[MoonPhantom]

Thanks. That reflects on a modularized brain ... multiple brains. Humans seem to have multiple brains also as well as mysterious connectivity. Humans can "walk and chew gum at the same time." They can drive and cell phone too.

Don`t forget the women multi-tasking ability. I still cannot possibly understand how thay can listen to you attentively and write something absolutelly different. At the same time.

 

[Jennywocky]

I'm not going to win any friends among scientists because I don't trust that. What if the guy had his mind pre-set to blink and it just continued? He couldn't stop blinking. Better would be a syncopated blink but still not proof of consciousness.

I don't know, but apparently it was reputable enough for Nat'l Geographic or some other science org to include in a documentary about what happens when the body "dies." I just saw it two weeks ago or so, and I know I had read about it elsewhere.

They were also covering the recent discoveries regarding what happens when heart attack patients are brought back to life after being clinically dead for some time, and then having them suddenly expire (due to the death code being triggered in their cells, I guess) and how induced hypothermia / cold will help prevent this.

I've heard about a guy leaning over a train track to put his hat on. The train came by and he put his hat on the stump.

That sounds more anecdotal because, likely, it would have knocked the guy on his ass and blown the hat out of his hand too.

The axe need not be misplaced, but a deliberate cut. As a child I may have seen this in my grandfather's chicken yard but it was so long ago I can't verify. I don't believe the monkey thing because of all the complicated and timely connections. Evidence?

No, the monkey thing is true. I read about the experiments in detail, and I found the documented case descriptions on the 'net a few years back. I'm not sure if it was covered in one of Mary Roach's books or not. I don't have the guy's name right now, though; he was considered kind of crazy / a hack, and he didn't get continued funding. And obviously it wasn't really helpful to have a monkey's head on a body that was now paralyzed because the nervous system had been severed. But the monkeys were still alive and the heads functional.

EDIT: Ahhh, yes, Mary did cover it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_transplant

 

[BigApplePi]

Jennywocky. Thanks for the heads up on this. I'm ready to volunteer if I can get a new fresh body should mine wear out. However if I don't like the new body, can I reject it? I prefer a male because I'm male, but I guess I'd have to take what's available.

 

[Minuend]

There is a bunch of brain still left in the spine, inside the spinal cords and spinal brain in particular are controling the motoric and most of the vital signs of animal`s body. Chicken wasn`t able to think or grasp the surroundings, but as a mechanism, he was still capable of running around and staying alive.

How does it know what signals to send to the body? How does it know it should run, not swim or attempt to fly? Why do they activate at all?

 

[Jennywocky]

Jennywocky. Thanks for the heads up on this. I'm ready to volunteer if I can get a new fresh body should mine wear out. However if I don't like the new body, can I reject it? I prefer a male because I'm male, but I guess I'd have to take what's available.

BigMagillaGorillaPi, coming your way soon at a science lab near you!

 

[BigApplePi]

BigMagillaGorillaPi, coming [headed?] your way soon at a science lab near you!

Jw. I may have been a bit unfair ... getting ahead of you. I want to give you a heads up on this and say you should gets first dibs. Step ahead of me to the head of the line.

 

[Jennywocky]

Jw. I may have been a bit unfair ... getting ahead of you. I want to give you a heads up on this and say you should gets first dibs. Step ahead of me to the head of the line.

How generous.

you know this is going to drive my laser hair removal bill waaay up, don't you?

 

[MoonPhantom]

How does it know what signals to send to the body? How does it know it should run, not swim or attempt to fly? Why do they activate at all?

That is the point. Staying alive is not the same as act alive. Chicken was probably "confused" and made absolutely senseless movements without any coordination whatsoever. I do imagine that it`s movements were based on the past expariance which was still kept inside the chicken`s cells.

 

[Jennywocky]

That is the point. Staying alive is not the same as act alive. Chicken was probably "confused" and made absolutely senseless movements without any coordination whatsoever. I do imagine that it`s movements were based on the past expariance which was still kept inside the chicken`s cells.

"...past expariance kept alive in the chicken's cells"?

What?

 

[MoonPhantom]

"...past expariance kept alive in the chicken's cells"?

What?

That is only my guess, but I do think that some of biological creature`s expariance is being written inside the nucleus of it`s cell. Otherwise, how would a leucocyte know what exact antigene to make to fight a specific virus or bacteria.

 

[Jennywocky]

But imprinting a broad-scale entire-organism behavior pattern within individual cells far beneath the organizational level of said behavior? You're just describing behaviors of individual cells in your explanation, so many there it makes sense for the programming to be there.

It sounds like a stretch to me... along the same lines as collective unconsciousness of a species being transferred biologically.

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

What about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiments_in_the_Revival_of_Organisms

I remembered watching this video back in a while. The dog's head responded to stimuli and stuff. It was kept alive for a good time, if I recall right.

 

[SpaceYeti]

But imprinting a broad-scale entire-organism behavior pattern within individual cells far beneath the organizational level of said behavior? You're just describing behaviors of individual cells in your explanation, so many there it makes sense for the programming to be there.

It sounds like a stretch to me... along the same lines as collective unconsciousness of a species being transferred biologically.

One of my friends once told me that part of the reason he's spiritual is because the human mind contains more memories than it does brain cells. I had two counters to that.

Firstly, I simply doubt it's true. I highly doubt that I have a hundred billion memories.

Secondly, memories are stored in the structure of the brain, like a holographic card, not in individual cells.