Don't watch this

[MoonPhantom]

But imprinting a broad-scale entire-organism behavior pattern within individual cells far beneath the organizational level of said behavior? You're just describing behaviors of individual cells in your explanation, so many there it makes sense for the programming to be there.

It sounds like a stretch to me... along the same lines as collective unconsciousness of a species being transferred biologically.

It might be, but so far, these are my only guesses.

 

[MoonPhantom]

What about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiments_in_the_Revival_of_Organisms

I remembered watching this video back in a while. The dog's head responded to stimuli and stuff. It was kept alive for a good time, if I recall right.

I watched this video as well and tried to figured out if that`s possible. They have killed a dog and tried to revive it after 15 or so minutes. But brain dies afteraround 3 minutes, so I do not think it is possible to revive a dog or any other animal after more then that time.

 

[Jennywocky]

One of my friends once told me that part of the reason he's spiritual is because the human mind contains more memories than it does brain cells. I had two counters to that.

Firstly, I simply doubt it's true. I highly doubt that I have a hundred billion memories.

How would we even test that?

Secondly, memories are stored in the structure of the brain, like a holographic card, not in individual cells.

I agree. I'm still fuzzy on specific mechanisms, but it's patterns of neuron relays, isn't it? Physical structures laid out in the brain? Which is why, when a child's brain is still very heavily developing, the older memories (from ages 0-4) are very often lost as newer more complex memories overwrite them?

 

[SpaceYeti]

How would we even test that?

I have no idea.

I agree. I'm still fuzzy on specific mechanisms, but it's patterns of neuron relays, isn't it? Physical structures laid out in the brain? Which is why, when a child's brain is still very heavily developing, the older memories (from ages 0-4) are very often lost as newer more complex memories overwrite them?

According to the latest neuroscience articles I've read, yes.

 

[Minuend]

That is the point. Staying alive is not the same as act alive. Chicken was probably "confused" and made absolutely senseless movements without any coordination whatsoever. I do imagine that it`s movements were based on the past expariance which was still kept inside the chicken`s cells.

Something would have to activate the movements.

If they were based on past experience (memories) why would they be triggered? And if they were, would the movements be in a certain sequence? Would the movements used most be displayed more often? Why wouldn't all nerves be triggered?

Now, I don't know much about memory yet, other than what mentioned before that they are "split up" and stored in different parts of the brain; meaning you use more than one area of your top muscle to recall previous events. But I wouldn't imagine memories to be stored in the spine.

Btw, what is the "spinal brain"? This may be a language thing, but I don't know what part of the body it's referring to (I mean more specific than the spinal). Is there a different scientific name for it, or was it an expression?

I usually wiki the term and change over to Norwegian if I'm unsure what it's referring to, but wiki doesn't have that word.

What about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiments_in_the_Revival_of_Organisms

I remembered watching this video back in a while. The dog's head responded to stimuli and stuff. It was kept alive for a good time, if I recall right.

If it's not a hoax, that is. I think we had a thread containing that video long, loooong ago.

 

[MoonPhantom]

Something would have to activate the movements.

If they were based on past experience (memories) why would they be triggered? And if they were, would the movements be in a certain sequence? Would the movements used most be displayed more often? Why wouldn't all nerves be triggered?

Now, I don't know much about memory yet, other than what mentioned before that they are "split up" and stored in different parts of the brain; meaning you use more than one area of your top muscle to recall previous events. But I wouldn't imagine memories to be stored in the spine.

Btw, what is the "spinal brain"? This may be a language thing, but I don't know what part of the body it's referring to (I mean more specific than the spinal). Is there a different scientific name for it, or was it an expression?

I usually wiki the term and change over to Norwegian if I'm unsure what it's referring to, but wiki doesn't have that word.

Now for the trigger, I do imagine that it would be hormones that do the triggering work. I am not sure though, but I imagine so. And I think hormones would determinate where and why should the body move. In other words, it`s just a chemical impulse that would "run" the chicken. I think it would be moving absolutely randomly, moving different limbs.

You are right that memories are stored in our head brain. Spinal brain are responisble for our motorics and vital signs like controling the beat of our heart or shrinking and widening of our eye pupils.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinal_cord
You can see that in every spinal cord there is a mass of white and grey brain matter.

 

[Kokoro]

About consciousness and decapitation: in normal circumstances, once oxygen(through blood flow) is totally cut off from the brain, a human has approximately five seconds of alert consciousness. After that, the brain quickly slips through varying degrees of consciousness into unconsciousness. This is why, in self defense classes, they teach you to get out of or relieve a choke within five seconds(as quick as possible). Sure, the head will most likely be alive for longer than ~five seconds, maybe even twenty seconds, but not in any meaningful sense as it applies to suffering.

However, when it comes to poor fellows who are beheaded in a fashion like the one in this video, it's different. Assuming that they do not faint from shock, they have a longer span of consciousness from the beginning of the execution until unconsciousness. This is because, as can be seen in this video and others like it, the executioner starts at one side or from the front and takes awhile to finish because of the spinal column and depending on blade sharpness and the strength/technique of the executioner. Thus, it is not an instantaneous total cut off of oxygen and so the victim can be in misery for much longer than approximately five seconds.

Now, the quality of consciousness can be called into the question, once one side has been severed, due to blood loss. However, I would bring up the point that the dump of adrenaline in such a stressing situation could be enough to keep one very much aware of what is happening until the majority of the neck is severed. I just hope it is also enough to override the pain receptors and perhaps distract the mind. Especially in this case, because it took that son-of-a-bitch a long time to even get to the spine.

Kantor, the sound is the aspect(out of many) of this atrocity that disturbs me the most as well. More than the sound of the scream, it's the sound of the blood gurgling as the body tries to continue to breath, tries its hardest just to live. Terrible.

 

[GYX_Kid]

slosh slosh slosh

did you see the dude who split his face wide open diving into concrete? don't think it was on charonboat, for some reason.

oh and the dnepropetrovsk maniacs, more sick russian/ukrainian home-video snuff killers.

 

[kantor1003]

slosh slosh slosh
did you see the dude who split his face wide open diving into concrete? don't think it was on charonboat, for some reason.

Yeah, if you mean the one where a doctor desperately, in the hospital afterwards, try to hold his face together. It's pretty gruesome as well. Visually, I guess it's more horrendous than this one. However, it is self induced, so in some way it isn't that horrible to watch, for me, compared to a video where the victim had no say in the matter.

Kokoro: Thanks for your quality input.

 

[GYX_Kid]

yeah this probably ranks highest in terms of disgrace/humiliation horror. other beheading videos too. you can't see the guy's face in the dnepropetrovsk one.

 

[BigApplePi]

In the case of the chicken I could see 99 percent of its life might center around shuffling and pecking. The brain in its head would be needed only for spying grain. So without its head the "spinal brain" or whatever the heck it is would continue its random shuffling. Feed it and it wouldn't need that visual brain. The chicken is not an advanced decision maker. It might avoid being pushed though. Hence the saying, "What are you chicken?" On 2nd thought, it might not even react to being pushed ... or pecked. Witness the term, "hen-pecked."

 

[echoplex]

^But don't chickens also have a social 'pecking order' (haha). Without the visual brain it wouldn't know who to peck, or perhaps in distress would just erratically peck everything. Perhaps it would peck itself into danger, not knowing when to stop.

 

[socialexpat]

Snuff film, no thanks. By the way, since when is there a "Dragon's Lair" forum? Has that always been there patiently waiting for your post?

That is not an actual Snuff film .. It is related to Snuff, true .., the intention of real Snuff tends to be erotic (for very few sick minds) .. Often with children and murder involved .. Or prostitutes that get killed or violated during rape.. And Necrophelia in itself.. Snuff is a wide concept but the center of Snuff is far beyond this video and our minds.. On behalf of the few that pick it up and seemingly work apart from the organised circles... To cash money in.

Not for us to see and i'm sure you don't want to find out, i'm sure that such networks work in a very complicated and enigmatic manner.. One mistake or suspicion about your involvement and your game may be over and done.. I assume.. Or you might go missing all in a sudden.

This so called Snuff movie you say, was merely made as propaganda.. That's what it looks like to me.

I still don't see the point of posting a snuff video on an INTP forum. Yes bad things happen all the time, but this is nothing more than a vulgar form of voyeurism.

I'm not necessarily saying it should be removed, just that I don't understand why someone would choose to post it. I don't see how it contributes anything of value to our understanding of the world.

Vulgar voyeurism or not, call it what you want to call it and you wont be able to stop it .. At some point it shows what people are able to do. The world is almost like a Vivarium and the internet has no boundaries about it yet.
There are few examples ..