Do you believe in the Illuminati?

[jameslikespie]

Illuminati, New World Order, Eye of Horus, all of that stuff. Do you believe in it?

 

[Solitaire U.]

Personally, I think it's a bunch of bullshit. The New World Order is merely an inevitable component of humanity's downward spiral.

 

[smithcommajohn]

If there is, we'll never be privy to it. Small groups of people controlling large groups of people is the way of our world, so I think it's definitely possible.

 

[jachian]

Yes I believe they exist and have been around in ancient times under different alias.

Why do you ask?.....

 

[Zionoxis]

I believe it is a possibility, but I refute its existence currently. Based upon the state of the US, I highly doubt that was planned out to be a New World Order.

 

[Lobstrich]

I don't exactly believe in the "Illuminati" but to put it like this; I do believe in a bunch of rich guys that have a lot of power.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

I believe in the Freemasons. And I do believe they might be involved in some big stuff in this world.

 

[Panopticon]

I dont know about the Illuminati existing today, but the NWO agenda is very real.

YouTube - ‪New World Order‬‏
YouTube - ‪Clinton New World Order‬‏
YouTube - ‪Kissinger: Obama Will Create A New World Order‬‏
YouTube - ‪Obama Calls For New World Order In Berlin‬‏

National sovereignty is being undermined for the sake of globalisation. A planetary regime with a world bank and a world court. US presidents serve the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission, not the Constitution.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

How are those videos proof for the planned NWO? Seriously? They're just giving speeches being all world-peace-y.

 

[monsterfurby]

These conspiracy theories are just ways of simplifying and vilifying the way the world works. Yes, the major powers (both institutional like powerful nations and moral like powerful religions) are influenced by billions upon billions of conflicting interests of an economic and self-interested nature. People can't cope with that fact all that easily, so they have to invent a sort of overarching plot, an organisation to tie it all together.

Or, to use a different example: Why do the media call mainly unrelated terrorist cells "part of Al Qaida"? Although there is a network between them, Al Qaida is by no means any sort of rigid, hierarchical organization. Most studies actually outright state that this is an oversimplification. Why do we still speak of Al Qaida? Because it is easier to have a catch-all term and imagine sort of a monarchical structure behind them than actually consider the many interests that fund and run that network.
It's the cloud principle: people see clouds moving, not singular drops of water and other substances being pushed along by the wind and other forces.

Also, on the issue of globalization: Globalization brought us the UN and all its good intentions. The EU, NATO, and the fact that there will never again be a major land war in Europe or North America. Africa and other parts of the Earth are benefiting little to date, but there are positive examples as well - many of the brutal wars of the past are unthinkable in today's globalized economies. And those faults that do occur are systematic incompetence, failure of human parts in the machine, not a concerted effort to turn this into the wheels of evil.

I follow Hanlon's razor.

 

[CLOfriendOSE]

I believe in the "Illuminati", and by that a small amount of people using various forms of main-stream mind control to secure their own power. I mean, there are signs of the occult everywhere now. Manipulation of the masses has been around forever, it only makes sense (those with power want to preserve it).

The New World Order is tricky, but I do believe it has some merit. It seems like the logical basis for restructuring our self-destructive incarnation of humanity. Of course, gathering 500Million "enlightened" people will be difficult when money corrupts so strongly.

PS: Has anyone read Newton's work on the occult? I saw it existed, yet have not had the time to study it. Even Einstein was at heart an occultist -
"Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter."
— Albert Einstein

Even Einstein believed in the dissolution of large cities and the unfortunate consequence of naive realism upon the growing masses.

 

[Jah]

Haha, the irony of Kissinger speaking out. The little holocaust defender. (Referring you to the infamous Nixon Tapes here, in which Kissinger says that America should not interfere if it turned out Russia was gassing their jewish inhabitants in the same manner as the Nazi's did only a few decades earlier, and that they indeed had no moral obligation to do so. As if One Holocaust (death by fire) wasn't enough. And that's before you look into the other fire-bombings committed while Kissinger was in the advisory position, and thus had direct ability to interfere.)

As to the NWO, not the best word for it, since it has other meanings.
The Con.

Grayface's Snub.

There's at least 5 different Illuminati at any given moment, each conspiracy, and conspiracy within the conspiracies, fighting eachother, sometimes aware of the competition, sometimes their own competition.
All too afraid of letting anyone get more power that they keep each other in check.

I wouldn't be too afraid.

Those who conspire are the ones most afraid of conspiracies.


To the merry pranksters on the side-line, It's all a big joke, We're just hoping the punch-line is as good as the delivery.

Keep in mind though that this might be another joke like the Aristocrats.
It's all about the build. There is no punch-line, and suddenly it just ends.


YouTube - ‪The Aristocrats joke mimed‬‏


or for those who haven't heard the joke;
Here's BoB SAGET:
YouTube - ‪Bob Saget - The Aristocrats (complete)‬‏

 

[Sosekopp]

Illuminati, New World Order, Eye of Horus, all of that stuff. Do you believe in it?

No. Conspiracy theories are fun (except for the anti-vaccination ones, who are just fucking stupid and dangerous) but unconstructive and (for the most part) wrong.

 

[EditorOne]

Doubtful. Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead.

 

[Yet]

Never heard of it ....

google helps

hm... that's not for believing ... but for stories or playing around secrety stuff ain't it?

 

[SkyWalker]

The New World Order is merely an inevitable component of humanity's downward spiral.

That was a wise one.

Some call it NWO, some call it Illuminati, I call it the giant invisible vacuum cleaner, or an epidemic of narcissism.

You see, our modern society is narcissistic, and narcissists suck value: we think we deserve to consume more than we actually produce. We are all dreaming of living off of welfare, retirement/interest, cheap employees, selling your house with inflation profit, making a killing on the stock market by clicking with the mouse, winning the lottery etc. We all seem to like free money, it simply means we like to ride other people's back, yet we dont see it that way. We don't reciprocate anymore. The basic error is that it is common opinion that there is only predator and prey (without a third option) and that at least predators have it better, thus that riding other people's back is a good thing.

If one person sucks value from a bunch of people under it, then that's just it, no big deal you would say. But now zoom out: Those people under that person feel it, they feel the value being sucked away from them, so what can they do? > They have to suck too, to stay at zero: They find people under them to suck from, to cope with the sucking from the top.
What we build is a giant invisible vacuum cleaner, made up out of sucking humans invisibly stacked on top of each other hierarchically.

In the bottom there is the chinese employee, making 1000 TV's for 1 bag of rice per month.
Where does it all go? The top of course, its also easy to identify those. And it's also true that these try to hide it for fear of retribution. Wouldn't you? Otherwise you just can't stay there. This is top of the top of the predators.

It's not the top which is the master of the vacuum cleaner, it's the vacuum cleaner itself which is the master. The giant vacuum cleaner is highly inefficient on purpose: it creates scarcity and is self-re-enforcing that way. This is the way the vacuum cleaner survives.

Read about memetics: there are "thought forms" living on top of us humans, organisms of which humans are their cells/elements. The vacuum cleaner is such an organism, or even that is a layer higher, an organism of organisms on top of humans

Esoteric stuff does teach about this, in the form of hierarchies of angels and demons and "temples of flesh" (e.g. organisms with humans as cells" ).
It's true that if you help the vacuum cleaner in it's purpose (of sucking) (e.g. sell your soul to the agenda of the devil), the vacuum cleaner returns benefits to you (making a deal with the devil). Yet you have sold humanity's long term freedom&prosperity for your own short term gain.
I doubt that thoroughly narcissistic ENTJ's (the so-called illuminati) running their natural luciferian protocol have any clue of that though. They just do so naturally. It's their nature. They have no time for Ti to ponder around about it, they just work 100% with their Te to get things done.

Humanity just needs to move on to higher morals, that is the only way to get rid of the vacuum cleaner. I guess it all needs to burn first before the blind man sees the vacuum cleaner though. A crash (Doomsday) will, which is inevitable too, since a society which is based on usurption fails invitably once expansion (plundering) is not available anymore: When there is no new stuff to suck upon, it will suck upon itself and crash.
The only way it wouldnt crash is when humans can grow faster than it sucks. Maybe we can? But then we would still only be agents of the vacuum cleaner. then its actually not us humans that colonize other planets but the vacuum cleaner which spread its cells to other planets

 

[nexion]

I don't believe in the Illuminati, though I am for some reason drawn to the idea of an elite group of people having supreme oligarchy in the world, yet not being bound by any higher agency.

 

[SkyWalker]

I don't believe in the Illuminati, though I am for some reason drawn to the idea of an elite group of people having supreme oligarchy in the world, yet not being bound by any higher agency.

The hierarchy is not such a clean hierarchy. its more messy, like a forest. I dont think there was ever a global top, only local, yet there will be a global one soon. Once it's ordered more. It will happen. Many people dream of ruling the world, and a few of them dedicate their life to it.

 

[Jah]

YouTube - ‪Robert Anton Wilson On Conspiracy Theories‬‏

 

[Abraxas]

No, I don't believe in Illuminati (or anything similar). The idea of Illuminati on the other hand does exist and that idea can be very harmful if you plant it in your mind.

Although it is a fact that our economy is pretty much just a global pyramid scam, it doesn't prove the existence of any kind of "puppet masters" etc. We're not more than the puppets of our master, The Existence.

And what comes to the NWO -phenomenon, isn't the history of humanity full of events where something old changes into something new?

If you for some reason are intrigued in the existence of Illuminati. You shouldn't look elsewhere than your own surroundings and ask yourself: Am I (as a person) an initiator of change or a tool of change? Or a bit of both perhaps?

 

[SkyWalker]

People like to blame others. Blaming "the Illuminati" is perfect for all their problems. It's because of "them". Never because of themselves.
This is the MAIN reason that the Illuminati meme spreads well.

On the other hand, most countries&companies are run by narcissistic ENTJs lacking any empathy but "pretending they care". Humanity has been choosing these types as leaders since its inception. So earth really has been ruled by humans who actually hate other humans, but pretend they care. (hateful people who are so rational they can hide it well). They are of course not Illuminati, they are just humans with narcissitic personality disorder, but its about time for people to wake the fuck up and move to a higher plan, but maybe it's just the way it's supposed to be because genetically we're just stupid monkeys.