Do ALL INTPs like Computers, Math and Logic?

[Steven Gerrard]

1)Every rule has an exception.
2)"Every rule has an exception." is a rule
3)According to 1, the rule 1 must also have an exception.
4)Exception of the rule that "Every rule has an exception." = Some rules have no exception.

So it was just a word game?

I was curious if Architect was saying no INTP's can be into fashion.

 

[Turniphead]

So it was just a word game?

More like paradox/logic game.

 

[Steven Gerrard]

Paradox is the word I was looking for but couldn't find. Thank you.

 

[FightingSpirit007]

Hey new here! I don't like math really, yet I love computers. I love logic too as well. History, sciences, philophosy, music and psychology (obviously) are my favorite subjects. I honestly don't think it's what you like, but rather HOW you do it. As being an INTP myself I understand how all my functions work by a general rule, but doesn't make me like math or computers really per se, but it does kind of push me towards computers and logic mostly. I suck at math, but I love the logic behind it all, well if you can, I try to look at it that way.

 

[Steven Gerrard]

I enjoy theorising things like music and soccer.

Examining music and discussing it is my favorite thing in the world. Understanding how it works, and imagining never before heard music. Same to a less degree with soccer. Is this typical in any type.

This goes back to Architect saying something like INTP's couldn't be into fashion- I got to thinking that isn't it possible an INTP enjoy's examining his feeling's created by aesthetic and the spiritual meaning connected by that? Especially if he get's time and space to do this on his own, in his own time.

How does the description 'the theoritician' fit the INTP type?

 

[Variform]

This may be a slightly stupid question, but I really want to know...

Are there any INTPs here who are NOT especially interested in/proficient in things like formal logic, mathematics, biology, chemistry, physics, computer programming etc., but are more interested in/proficient in literature, the arts, social sciences, etc.?

If someone feels that, from a cognitive functions perspective, they are INTP, but they just find they have more interest and ability in the arts and "soft sciences" than in math and "hard sciences," should they seriously consider the possibilty they are actually another type (such as NF or something), or is it fairly common for INTPs to be more "artistic" than "scientific"?

I am not interested in some of these things because I have terrible math skills, to the point it was suggested I have dyscalculia. When I see on YT some of these people with this problem they do really much worse than I. I have some sense of numbers but it is all very undeveloped.

Give me a formula and a text with information to put in there and I will fail to find the relevant information and even if I can enter the data in the formula I have trouble working with the formula. I don't know what it is.

So I could never delve into physics, programming (I would like to code games because I have an unlimited imagination, alas!) and other sciences that require one to work with numbers.

My creativity is high. I worked with clay, dabbled in painting, soap stone carving but except for my ceramics I lost interest after reaching a certain level of competence. And you know what I mean with that. I cannot maintain my interests long enough.

I like playing guitar and recently got a keyboard but as it is, I will never reach very high with it.

My main interest are things like psychology, a bit of philosophy, history, cultural anthropology. My main field of interest would be ontology and epistemology and creating my personal TOE.

I like logic and science but to me these are tools, not goals and I do not worship any type of model above others. I am more about processes. I like to zoom out and get the biggest discernible picture.

That is why the INTP profile seems to fit me, giving me goosebumps of recognition. I am more logical than most people I have met, can see inconsistencies easily.

I have been thinking lately, e.g., about the difference between logic and reasoning. Often used in one sentence or regarded as the same thing unfortunately.

I search for paradigms, axiomatic thinking and models of reality and nothing is ever big enough for me to not find the edges of. I love to expand my mind to encompass the most fundamental and paradigmatic models and systems. And in that I can be very creative. It has been a lifelong obsession for me.

So INTP , to me, is not about explicit things at all. Explicit things like science, religion, structured systems are not things I have a special place for in my heart, because of some appeal it should have on me by its inherent logical characteristics. It may be a format that attracts the INTP mind, but I separate the explicit from the abstract.

Logic and reasoning can be applied to any structured model but it has no bearing on inherently unstructured systems. To me logic and reasoning are processes. They are the underlying modalities of mind upon which are based the various models that we can recognize.

I can create a flawless reasoning, that would be illogical and yet taken on its own terms, has merit.

I can create a logical train of thought that is unreasonable but on its own terms, has again, merit.

I think this is what creativity is. So I guess I am a highly creative logical thinker. So to me paranormal phenomenon are not an issue involving scientific proof or the scientific methodology, things like the existence of alien beings visiting our world is not relevant to my INTP personality. All these are just masks or facets or overlays of an underlying process oriented examination of reality.

So my INTP'ness is not hooked into anything particular. Abstraction is what I deal with as well as processes by which you can come to conclusions about reality and how it relates to consciouses itself.

Sorry, not my best structured post

 

[Variform]

but computers are relatively new. and they are a man made object. math and logic are not (at least to some degree).

so i guess im sayin, yea it would make sense. but its just another one of those corridors that i believe could be applied to other personalities as well.

Math and logic are human constructs as well. They are merely methods or modes of perception that we use to structure reality. It has no more value in and of itself than a religious or faith-based perception.

Unfortunately even INTP'ers can fall prone to the trap of indoctrination. From birth we are indoctrinated, taught in schools scientific thinking, based on logic and specific modes of reasoning. We are expected to excel in those fields and measured against it.

Think of it, even an IQ test is based on the complete adoption of logic in society. It is so fundamental we do not even recognize the fact it is an adopted model.

Think of it like being in a street filled with theaters. On one it says 'House of Science', on another' Religious Temple' and on another 'Let's Mix'. And you go to the box office of your choice, buy a ticket and enter, sit down and watch the play. And then you forget you ever bought a ticket.

I am saying, all these theaters were on Logic Street. And if you would leave the play, go out, and go into another street, you'd see theaters there with totally different approaches to reality.

Logic is just a modus operandi that has become so deeply ingrained that we have lost all concept of alternate modalities in using consciousness to come to terms with reality.

Not saying that logic has no value. But it might not be the best mode of thinking or not the best mode in all circumstances.

Being INTP to me means to seek out other modes of thought, of self-awareness and using novelty as a guide to process reality, using logic as a tool only insofar as it is helpful to organize and structure or to capture if you like, the essence of reality. Any mode will do, but logic is used all around the world but I would not make the mistake of accepting any mode of thinking as primary above others.

Truth lies in the process by which you reach conclusions, where conclusions should not be positions where you stop thinking. And so I keep thinking, because thinking is the process by which I reach the truth about reality.

And so any model you use to describe reality becomes a self-fulfilling structure that is based on a process or mode of thinking. As such, they have no intrinsic value but should just be taken as a necessary method in order to convey truth to other people. The truth is the process. There are no underlying neutral realities but our own perception of them.

So the whole MBTI system itself is a modus operandi of a process of perception within an individual, laid out in a formalized structure. Thus it has no value except as a means of communication that we need to be able to share reality along a line of consensus about what we perceive.

 

[Spocksleftball]

computers are great for surface scanning, but they by their very nature limit a person's ability to delve into any topic successfully. they are sort of like magazines, you can learn bits about neat stuff, but you can't see the back data without some very difficult digging. To know "of" something is the computer's forte.

As for comp sci, I have no interest at all, but I can see how it might theoritically be interesting to study the evolution of AI technology.

I use computers, but dislike how they effect society as a whole. Imagine taking an item to the checkout register at Walmart without a upc code on it. We serve the needs of the computer not visa versa.

I prefer reading books, playing music, and sketching to sitting at a computer surfing the internet all day.

 

[Base groove]

I prefer reading books, playing music, and sketching to sitting at a computer surfing the internet all day.

Not for long......................

 

[pernoctator]

Spoiler

Math and logic are human constructs as well. They are merely methods or modes of perception that we use to structure reality. It has no more value in and of itself than a religious or faith-based perception.

Unfortunately even INTP'ers can fall prone to the trap of indoctrination. From birth we are indoctrinated, taught in schools scientific thinking, based on logic and specific modes of reasoning. We are expected to excel in those fields and measured against it.

Think of it, even an IQ test is based on the complete adoption of logic in society. It is so fundamental we do not even recognize the fact it is an adopted model.

Think of it like being in a street filled with theaters. On one it says 'House of Science', on another' Religious Temple' and on another 'Let's Mix'. And you go to the box office of your choice, buy a ticket and enter, sit down and watch the play. And then you forget you ever bought a ticket.

I am saying, all these theaters were on Logic Street. And if you would leave the play, go out, and go into another street, you'd see theaters there with totally different approaches to reality.

Logic is just a modus operandi that has become so deeply ingrained that we have lost all concept of alternate modalities in using consciousness to come to terms with reality.

Not saying that logic has no value. But it might not be the best mode of thinking or not the best mode in all circumstances.

Being INTP to me means to seek out other modes of thought, of self-awareness and using novelty as a guide to process reality, using logic as a tool only insofar as it is helpful to organize and structure or to capture if you like, the essence of reality. Any mode will do, but logic is used all around the world but I would not make the mistake of accepting any mode of thinking as primary above others.

Truth lies in the process by which you reach conclusions, where conclusions should not be positions where you stop thinking. And so I keep thinking, because thinking is the process by which I reach the truth about reality.

And so any model you use to describe reality becomes a self-fulfilling structure that is based on a process or mode of thinking. As such, they have no intrinsic value but should just be taken as a necessary method in order to convey truth to other people. The truth is the process. There are no underlying neutral realities but our own perception of them.

So the whole MBTI system itself is a modus operandi of a process of perception within an individual, laid out in a formalized structure. Thus it has no value except as a means of communication that we need to be able to share reality along a line of consensus about what we perceive.

The logical/mathematical statement "I have 2 widgets because I had 1 widget and added 1" depends on humans agreeing on what a widget is, how many there were, and what it means to add. But math and logic are not dependent on any of that. To think through a logical process doesn't require any language or indoctrination. They aren't human constructs. When you say you don't accept it as a definitive mode of thinking, what you really mean is that you don't accept the inputs as definitive.

 

[Architect]

This goes back to Architect saying something like INTP's couldn't be into fashion- I got to thinking that isn't it possible an INTP enjoy's examining his feeling's created by aesthetic and the spiritual meaning connected by that? Especially if he get's time and space to do this on his own, in his own time.

If I said that it isn't what I meant. Certainly it's possible an INTP would be into fashion, but it's highly unlikely. What in it for them? There's nothing in the functional stack to attract them. It would only make sense if there was some unusual circumstance, like an INTP was head of logistics for a clothing distributor, or something.

If you found an INTP who was into fashion I'd first question if they were an INTP, and if they were I'd then have to investigate what it was they liked it.

 

[Spocksleftball]

Not for long......................

sad but true...

If you found an INTP who was into fashion I'd first question if they were an INTP, and if they were I'd then have to investigate what it was they liked it.

Could they not be involved in one of the processes? Thread count, materials development, design theory, fashion philosophy, space travel materials integration, or elephantine floral mumu distribution design?


- added since many of my posts are interpreted as serious

 

[Base groove]

Could they not be involved in one of the processes? Thread count, materials development, design theory, fashion philosophy, space travel materials integration, or elephantine floral mumu distribution design?


- added since many of my posts are interpreted as serious

Seriously, I thought it was a good point.

Any arguments that an INTP isn't into fashion because it doesn't 'fit into their stack' is equivalent to stating

ESFJ
ISFJ
INTP
ENTP

aren't into fashion because it doesn't fit their stack.

We all know how that's gonna go.

Generally any argument that somebody will or will not like something based strictly on MBTI type is bogus.

 

[Architect]

Generally any argument that somebody will or will not like something based strictly on MBTI type is bogus.

This is an old and tired discussion. If you can't make generalizations using typology then what is the point of it? It has no good use other then to make generalizations about people.

I'll make one; find me an INTP professional (national league) football player. Anybody?

 

[Analyzer]

I'll make one; find me an INTP professional (national league) football player. Anybody?

LOL. I would say you are more likely to find an INTP in a solo sport. I was reading somewhere that track and field or cross country is where INTPs were most successful. Other solo sports are similar in this regard.

One very probable INTP that was in a team sport(NBA) is Dikembe Mutombo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QP9G4kRnas

 

[Architect]

LOL. I would say you are more likely to find an INTP in a solo sport. I was reading somewhere that track and field or cross country is where INTPs were most successful. Other solo sports are similar in this regard.

Yes, agree. I ran (jogging) for a decade or two, now I'm on a stationary bike for a half hour every day, and do weight lifting. A friend who is an INTP has been a life long cyclist (non competitive). I'd be doubtful that an INTP would generally like doing that professionally however.

One very probable INTP that was in a team sport(NBA) is Dikembe Mutombo:

He was born within a month of me, however beyond that I see little INTP commonality. He wanted to become a doctor, which is uncommon among INTP's. Otherwise that video shows him as quite relaxed, INTP's are often uncomfortable in such situations. There's nothing to indicate INTP that I can see, why do you label him as such?

 

[Base groove]

This is an old and tired discussion. If you can't make generalizations using typology then what is the point of it? It has no good use other then to make generalizations about people.

I'll make one; find me an INTP professional (national league) football player. Anybody?

Well I don't see how this proves your point about INTPs and fashion

 

[Steven Gerrard]

If I said that it isn't what I meant. Certainly it's possible an INTP would be into fashion, but it's highly unlikely. What in it for them? There's nothing in the functional stack to attract them. It would only make sense if there was some unusual circumstance, like an INTP was head of logistics for a clothing distributor, or something.

If you found an INTP who was into fashion I'd first question if they were an INTP, and if they were I'd then have to investigate what it was they liked it.

Sorry I misunderstood.

Hmm I've been thinking about this.

Aren't INTP's imaginative? Creative? My understanding of the type is that they are. Team sports were my first encounters with those (imagination, creativity) things.

My understanding of typology is limited, but I would consider myself an INTP.

When I enjoyed sports I enjoyed the combination of thinking, intuiting and competing. I was more comfortable with people 'doing something'- a clear objective helps me get along with people, and the sports themselves hockey, soccer, basketball were enjoyable and beautiful. It was probably quite self esteem building for a type that can sometimes become detached from interacting with the world. There was an element of planning and understanding in theory and in real time and I got to figure how to do it by myself which I loved, and yet be in a team. I enjoyed and was good at shotput and discus but nothing compared to team sports.

In my spare time I enjoyed coming up with new ways to beat a man, creative passes I could make, and previously unimagined systems that I could potentially use if I were coaching. I used to draw plays up in a sort of creative noodly way on paper. The word abstract (is that Ne?) comes to mind. The state of mind where one is consciously deciding to sortoff zone out and there will be eureka moments.

These days I try and do that with music. My favorite part is understanding and trying to come up with never before heard things, something that would blow my mind like the music I listen to blows mine.

Sortoff building an Ti based architectural understanding of more abstract things that fascinate me because I don't understand them as much. With music the stated aim isn't winning but feeling.

Maybe off topic but that's what I've been thinking.

Is there a type that is more likely to have experienced the above in your opinion?

 

[Analyzer]

He was born within a month of me, however beyond that I see little INTP commonality. He wanted to become a doctor, which is uncommon among INTP's. Otherwise that video shows him as quite relaxed, INTP's are often uncomfortable in such situations. There's nothing to indicate INTP that I can see, why do you label him as such?

Could be an ESTJ.

 

[Architect]

Aren't INTP's imaginative? Creative? My understanding of the type is that they are. Team sports were my first encounters with those (imagination, creativity) things.

Imagination and creativity can be used with anything, but team sports would be generally considered one of the last places you'd use it.

My understanding of typology is limited, but I would consider myself an INTP.

When I enjoyed sports I enjoyed the combination of thinking, intuiting and competing. ...
Is there a type that is more likely to have experienced the above in your opinion?

Try ISTP. A close cousin of the INTP and you are sounding just like one.

 

[Base groove]

Ask Steven Gerrard - Although you enjoyed your time on the field, were you not as good as the other players? Well below average? Just curious, because I played football for 8 years when I was younger and I found that every year I just got worse and worse. When I started I was one of the best players and by time I graduated I was one of the worst. Looking back now, I find this to be consistent with what might be expected from an INTJ.

~

Also wanted to comment on the video that ESTJ doesn't seem likely for that NBA player and I'd actually be more inclined to go with ISFJ. Have to check with his spouse.

 

[Spocksleftball]

Wouldn't type indicate how a person would approach a subject/carrier/sport, not necessarily "what" subject/carrier/sport they may approach?

 

[Base groove]

Wouldn't type indicate how a person would approach a subject/carrier/sport, not necessarily "what" subject/carrier/sport they may approach?

How, why, what, when ...

One current aspect of the theory which I enjoy and was emphasizing in my post is that the inferior function is more differentiated from the beginning of life, before the auxiliary is really developed, so in children it can almost appear as if the inferior function is actually dominant (especially in introverts). I am associating Se with athletic ability here, which is more or less the usual thing to do I guess ... and was just explaining how as time went on I found I got worse and worse and it is more likely due to the fact that my thinking and feeling functions began to exhibit more strength and suppress Se to an increasingly deeper/unavailable level. Another consequence of this is the emergence of the dominant function as supremely dominant, so by time I was through with the game, I cared little about whether we won or lost, and was just generally bad. I kept going back for the thrill of the experience, and it's the same reason why I still enjoy it, maybe... once a year.

My younger brother who I also consider a possible Ni-dominant exhibited the same trend through his teenage years.

 

[Spocksleftball]

Interesting, I will ponder how "what" is chosen is related to type. I suspect it isn't very air tight, though as already said individual sports would be more obvious.

 

[Variform]

If I said that it isn't what I meant. Certainly it's possible an INTP would be into fashion, but it's highly unlikely. What in it for them? There's nothing in the functional stack to attract them. It would only make sense if there was some unusual circumstance, like an INTP was head of logistics for a clothing distributor, or something.

If you found an INTP who was into fashion I'd first question if they were an INTP, and if they were I'd then have to investigate what it was they liked it.

I think the problem here is what is so fundamental about the INTP personality.

For me it is not the subject that matters. The topic is just a hook upon which the INTP mind can set loose his abilities of processing his experience of reality.

So let me see, clothes, fashion. If I had an interest it would be about the psycho-social issues revolving around pop culture or how fashion relates to our basic need for privacy in that when you dress according to social function it either emphasizes your appearance to others positively or negatively.

I think the INTP mind can find a way into any superficial topic and permeate it with its tendrils.

I think you are looking at it too materialistically and economically.

 

[Variform]

This is an old and tired discussion. If you can't make generalizations using typology then what is the point of it? It has no good use other then to make generalizations about people.

I'll make one; find me an INTP professional (national league) football player. Anybody?

Logical fallacy. Why would one assume that an MBTI profile would necessarily cause one to be employed in a job that would fit the profile?

I have been considering, off late, the notion that a lot of the unhappiness in people in our society is caused by people being employed in jobs that do not match their profile very well. There is a reason for that.

People are motivated to find work based on economical needs: no pay, no food, no rent. You take the job you can get your hands on until you find something better. But most people may never find something better.

As they continue to work in a field, they gain expertise, and so it will become more likely they will remain working in that field. Our governments support only the fact all people are equired to work.

In my country there is no longer any freedom to be picky. If you can get hired, you take the job otherwise you will have to explain to some authority why you did not take the job and it can have repercussions for your unemployment money. (I can never remember what a better term is for that.)

You can be punished by a lower 'salary'. Or when you turn down work repeatedly, you can lose it.

So people end up in jobs that are not motivating and just do their daily grind and break on the inside.

I wonder if society would function better, with less mental illness and burnout and stress etc. If people would get an MBTI at age 12 and every two years afterwards to check its progress and then this information would be taken seriously by any labor office and taken into consideration when applying for work, society would be better for it.

But I see no reason to believe that somehow automatically profiles find their way into the perfect job. Most people don't know anything about who they are deep inside. They are reactionary to the circumstances and demands of financial security, economics (go where the work is) and govermental pressures.

In my country after 1st of Januari this year, 900 Romanians and Bulgarians have moved here to work. Mostly these people end up in greenhouses harvesting flowers or produce, that sector. Or they end up gathering old metals and some of them end up doing mostly nothing on the fringes of society, sometimes work illegally.

You cannot assume that these 900 people are all of a profile that matches up perfectly with the greenhouse sector.

These people are economically motivated, not, say profile motivated.

 

[pernoctator]

Logical fallacy.

Asking for evidence isn't the same as claiming lack of evidence as evidence.

Your point would be much more applicable if we were coming from the opposite direction, i.e. pegging someone as a type that enjoys a certain job because it happens to be the job they have. But on the other side, expecting at least some to actually have achieved the job that they are striving for, if indeed they are, is reasonable.

 

[Base groove]

Asking for evidence isn't the same as claiming lack of evidence as evidence.

However, he (A) was making the point that INTPs aren't really into fashion, and used this as his analogy/proof, because I indicated my belief that making type-generalizations about what somebody may or may not be interested in is bogus.

He moved the goal posts, actually, by demanding that an INTP professional NFL player be identified to prove that generalizations about type are valid.

 

[pernoctator]

He moved the goal posts, actually, by demanding that an INTP professional NFL player be identified to prove that generalizations about type are valid.

No, you moved your own goal posts, and he responded accordingly:

Any arguments that an INTP isn't into fashion...

Generally any argument that somebody will or will not like something...

Your point went from fashion to anything, and he provided an example of a more obviously valid generalization to counter to the latter.

 

[Base groove]

Your point went from fashion to anything, and he provided an example of a more obviously valid generalization to counter to the latter.

This is a fine interpretation,
however, I ask you next

Why must one 'like' something to become a professional at it and why must one become a professional at something in order to like it?

Edit: He could have said "find me one INTP who is interested in professional football" and I could have easily done so. He had to move the goalposts by demanding a professional INTP football player.

 

[Base groove]

Does an INTP need to be a supermodel in order to be interested in fashion? Find me an INTP supermodel.

Oh, there aren't any? Just like there are not INTP professional NFL players. I guess INTPs aren't all that into fashion or football.

 

[Architect]

Logical fallacy.

Then name the fallacy.

Why would one assume that an MBTI profile would necessarily cause one to be employed in a job that would fit the profile?

You're new around here?

Remove the word necessarily. As a statistical theory MBTI doesn't specify that the profile causes people to behave a particular way. Instead the theory is built up as a statistical generalization. They're not perfect either, but to a first order approximation you can assume that, say, the profile would fit a 1 sigma population of the type.

...

Deleted due to non relevance.

 

[pernoctator]

First of all, you're essentially repeating the same argument that I just responded to.

The other problem is that there is often a huge difference between liking a subject and liking its practice. This is particularly true in the sports example: planning strategy or analyzing how it unfolds versus being a player. Hence, your rephrased question is not very useful.

 

[Architect]

First of all, you're essentially repeating the same argument that I just responded to.

The other problem is that there is often a huge difference between liking a subject and liking its practice. This is particularly true in the sports example: planning strategy or analyzing how it unfolds versus being a player. Hence, your rephrased question is not very useful.

Precisely.

My point was an illustration, clearly an INTP could like fashion or watching team sports, however unlikely they are to become the best at either. At that however I think its not likely, and solo sports are the only examples I've seen among people I've known are INTP's for sure, such as golf, running and cycling.

 

[Base groove]

First of all, you're essentially repeating the same argument that I just responded to.

Wrong. That argument was basically stating that the MBTI profiles don't have any causative effect. My argument is that generalizing MBTI traits to dictate what a person is preconditioned to affiliate (or not) with is bogus.

The response you refer to was the claim that asking for evidence is not equivalent to declaring there is none. However, that has little bearing on whether my point is valid or not.

The other problem is that there is often a huge difference between liking a subject and liking its practice. This is particularly true in the sports example: planning strategy or analyzing how it unfolds versus being a player. Hence, your rephrased question is not very useful.

Also wrong. My 'rephrased' question is a reiteration of the same logic he (A) attempted to use to support his notion that INTPs aren't interested in fashion, hence, it was useful to me since I am taking a stance against the application of said logic.

 

[pernoctator]

That argument was basically stating that the MBTI profiles don't have any causative effect.

Yes, but your description of it is more specific than what I meant when I said my response was the same. I didn't feel like repeating myself, and had hoped that you would be able to recognize what I meant. But since I apparently need to be explicit, here you go:

Spoiler

why must one become a professional at something in order to like it?

expecting at least some to actually have achieved the job that they are striving for, if indeed they are, is reasonable.

The key words are: must versus expect.

Also wrong. My 'rephrased' question is a reiteration of the same logic he (A) attempted to use to support his notion that INTPs aren't interested in fashion, hence, it was useful to me since I am taking a stance against the application of said logic.

Once again, that post was in reply to this:

Spoiler

Generally any argument that somebody will or will not like something based strictly on MBTI type is bogus.

NOT this:

Spoiler

Any arguments that an INTP isn't into fashion because it doesn't 'fit into their stack' is equivalent to stating

ESFJ
ISFJ
INTP
ENTP

aren't into fashion because it doesn't fit their stack.

And the reason your rephrasing is unfair is because it was never suggested that you wouldn't be able to find any who are interested in any aspect of the subject, so your ability to do so is irrelevant. The relevant question is whether you can find any who would enjoy being a professional player.

 

[Base groove]

I'm going to have to digest this a little while.

 

[Base groove]

The relevant question is whether you can find any who would enjoy being a professional player.

Edit ~ OK I'll leave it at this. .. original arguments were made about fashion not football. So how about the real question is whether you could find an INTP who would enjoy being a model? Or open their own clothing line?

Spoiler

 

[Variform]

Lots of semantics.

I cannot see how you guys can continue an argument when you do not have incoporated all the parameters. I've talked about economics e.g. And how that will weight heavily on career choice.

You can generally say that people with certain MBTI profiles will gravitate towards certain jobs. In the same way a ball in a pinball machine may bounce off of all kinds of surfaces but will in the end have a course down slope towards the flippers.

In my country, INTP or not, you will not have a choice when you are unemployed, to say no to a job when offered one. I guess in a way this is a social dictatorship.

That means if there is a job working in the fashion industry where you have to sow clothes, color fabrics in a workshop, sell clothes or be an accountant for a clothes store, you WILL do it otherwise you lose your benefits. And if you do it again, you lose everything.

So there are all these obstacles for any profile. These profiles give no rights whatsoever, to tell a civil servant 'I didn't take a paying job because it didn't fit my personality very well and I would be unhappy doing it, getting suicidal in the process.', will make that servant laugh and state: 'Who the hell do you think you are and who told you that happiness and working to pay taxes are somehow connected?'

With that system in place, it is a wonder if an INTP will find work he likes and can do without dying inside. My bother has an economical-administrative education. Yet he worked in kitchens!

 

[deadpixel]

Ideally a model INTP will probably like all of these, but if you don't have at least one of these especially logic then you probably need to re-evalute yourself. I like all of these, logic is a dead give away though, if you don't care about things making credible , valid , sense then you are not an INTP.

 

[pernoctator]

With that system in place, it is a wonder if an INTP will find work he likes and can do without dying inside. My bother has an economical-administrative education. Yet he worked in kitchens!

Why is it a wonder?

If none of the people for whom a position is ideal manage to achieve it, then who is filling those positions?

 

[Nebula]

I was good at math until I was like 14. Then for some reason it became unbearably boring, mind rejected it and I pretty much ignored this subject. Now I only like counting money ^^ Computers? I like using them, not learning about them. If I need a new equipment I absorb the necessary info in order to make as best choice as possible, that's it.

 

[Base groove]

Ideally a model INTP will probably like all of these

Did somebody say model INTP???

Spoiler

 

[Kenny]

Yes i love computers, it's my profession.

However my girlfriend is INTP too and she is a nurse, vegan and got her first computer when she was 21. Instead she dug into books, to feed her P'ness.

I assume computers would be the most logical choice for guys.

 

[deadpixel]

Yes i love computers, it's my profession.

However my girlfriend is INTP too and she is a nurse, vegan and got her first computer when she was 21. Instead she dug into books, to feed her P'ness.

I assume computers would be the most logical choice for guys.

What is your girlfriends demeanor like if you dont mind me asking? The intelligence factor of a female INTP intrigues me but in the end I need to be around a woman who can be very feminine and girly as well, which I get with my gf. Do INTP women have the feminine/girly factor?

 

[pernoctator]

Is intellectualism masculine?

 

[Base groove]

Is intellectualism masculine?

Rhetorical question obvs.

Although individual variances are probably so common and diverse as to effectively neutralize any clusters or tendencies,

I would still suggest that men are put more at ease by women who are openly positive and dare-I-say flirtatious.

I imagine the same is true for women.

Fortunately, being 'put at ease' by a person is a multifaceted process which probably shifts its perspective through experience so a positive first impression, while important, isn't necessarily critical.

 

[Variform]

Why is it a wonder?

If none of the people for whom a position is ideal manage to achieve it, then who is filling those positions?

Everyone. That is how it works. People are driven to work to pay their bills. To live costs money or you will be pushing a cart as a homeless person.

Do you think any personality type, e.g. those who are extroverted highly emotionally sensitive people all get into..what...acting? Dancing? Talk show host? Hell no. There are people doing sewer cleaning work that feel inside like a sewer because they want to be a professional dancer. There are people who rolled into jackhammering coal out of a mine who desperately need to be an artist.

Economics don't care about profiles. Governments do not. Every body, save a few people, do what they are naturally inclined to do. And basically, no one out of school rolls into their perfect job. It is job hopping, getting the bills paid man.

 

[Base groove]

Everyone. That is how it works. People are driven to work to pay their bills. To live costs money or you will be pushing a cart as a homeless person.

Do you think any personality type, e.g. those who are extroverted highly emotionally sensitive people all get into..what...acting? Dancing? Talk show host? Hell no. There are people doing sewer cleaning work that feel inside like a sewer because they want to be a professional dancer. There are people who rolled into jackhammering coal out of a mine who desperately need to be an artist.

Economics don't care about profiles. Governments do not. Every body, save a few people, do what they are naturally inclined to do. And basically, no one out of school rolls into their perfect job. It is job hopping, getting the bills paid man.

Your perception of reality is mildly accurate but your use of logic is weak.

Just sayin'

 

[pernoctator]

Do you think any personality type, e.g. those who are extroverted highly emotionally sensitive people all get into..what...acting? Dancing? Talk show host?

The problem there is the word "all". Of course I don't think that.

1. It was implied that a job is not desired for a group of people because none of those people have the job.

2. You say this is an unfair assessment because not all people have the job they desire.

Unless I'm missing something, your comments are inapplicable because all is not the only alternative to none.