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Different Thinking Styles

What kind of thinke are you?

  • Almost completely technical.

    Votes: 5 8.1%
  • Mostly technical, but slightly artistic.

    Votes: 17 27.4%
  • Both evenly.

    Votes: 18 29.0%
  • Mostly artistic, but slightly technical.

    Votes: 18 29.0%
  • Almost completely artistic.

    Votes: 4 6.5%

  • Total voters
    62

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I wrote this a while back and I decided to share it with you guys, out of curiosity, so be glad that I decided to share it at all! Basically, I think people think differently. What those differences are I shall explain. When you're done reading, take the poll to indicate where you think you personally fit on this simple rather dichotomized spectrum.

I think thinkers can be separated into two or more categories, generally. On the one hand, you have thinkers who are very practical, technical, and precise. These thinkers are about accuracy and heavily rely on common sense, eschewing the imagination. Perhaps one could refer to them as "Technical Thinkers," as their work is very well worked out and all of the details are provided to support it, so that it can seen as "systematic." On the other hand, you have thinkers of a different kind, whom I like to call "Artistic Thinkers." These people put their minds to use in an entirely different fashion than the technical thinkers.

Where a technical thinker is practical, an artistic thinker is more indifferent, flexible, and adaptable -- not entirely focused on application so much as the process of thinking in and of itself, as a self-sufficient practice. Where a technical thinker is technical, the artistic thinker is more colorful and broad, stretching the bounds of the thought to include forms of art, rather than plain and dry literary devices or thinking methods or approaches. The technical thinker is very specialized, as well, tending to focus in-depth on one major area of interest, and generally ignoring all others, while the artistic thinker is much more versatile and wide-interested, moving more freely from interest to interest, tending to see them all as a collection of branches of one tree, which must all be considered in various ways. And where a technical thinker is precise and strict and rigorous, particular and exact, the artistic thinker is very loose, sketchy, abstracted, fuzzy, and dreamy, tending to paint with ideas, rather than take snapshots of reality.

A technical thinker sees the mind as a powerful tool which is to be used with extreme care -- cautiously and meticulously, so that error is reduced at all costs. Specific, well-polished truths are this types highest aim; they want to describe and understand reality according to some well-understood, error-free view, based on sound evidence. An artistic thinker, on the other hand, sees the mind as a painter sees a paintbrush: it's up to the subjective individual to use his/her own mind as they see fit, in whatever way will most benefit the individual in developing something amazing. In other words, these people see the mind not as some powerful tool to be exploited and treated like a chisel, in some protocol fashion, but as a form of "medium," which is an artistic term designating any instrument or technique which allows one to create art.

Usually, there are general approaches and techniques to creating art, but no one will strictly enforce this or that approach, generally, but merely suggest them as guiding measures. Hence, such a mentality provides the autonomy necessary for actual innovation. The individual is allowed the subjective freedom to explore his/her tools and environment in his/her own fashion. And the mind is merely a kind of artistic instrument to be used in new and interesting ways, to these thinkers.

And lastly, the technical thinker is very fact-driven, cold and dry -- entirely obsessed and based upon details and establishment. The status quo is very important for this type of thinker and they love to facilitate it. In their minds, there is a clear distinction between reality and imagination, as common sense easily entails. Yet, such is not the case with the artistic thinker. To these people, facts aren't so special, so as to be entirely worshiped, but merely provide a loose framework upon which an understanding can be built. Facts, then, are merely to be exploited and treated like tools, in aiding the human mind to better lead to the human race forward. They are to be reshaped and reworked in whatever fashion is necessary to create a well-structured understanding of the world, as concerns human interests. And so, imagination is better treated by these thinkers. Rather than limit themselves to knowledge strictly, they love to theorize in the abstract, using the imagination and intuition to propel the mind.

In the end, I guess you could say both types of thinkers are necessary, in the grand scheme of things. The technical thinkers are hard at work developing very practical, precise systems and ways of understanding our world which create an entire foundation and bedrock on which we can begin to step out into this world. The artistic thinkers, on the other hand, are more loose and general, developing abstract, artistic, all-encompassing systems which utilize the supporting results of the technical thinker's work.

This is just a random thought I've been developing, theoretically, but it seems to make sense, to me. I've noticed very different mentalities in different thinkers. And I suppose it's safe to say that most technical thinkers would naturally gravitate toward the sciences, where research and mathematics are strictly involved, whereas artistic thinkers would naturally gravitate toward philosophy, or any system which allows some room for abstract reasoning, with less defined limitations, where personal expression is allowed. And although the technical thinkers may be more precise and accurate, the artistic thinker is more enriched and deep -- colored with the various subjective, aesthetic aspects of the human spirit (loosely speaking). And in this way, I think people can be separated into the different fields of science and philosophy, although not exclusively, obviously, as there are people who may value both approaches to understanding.
Possible examples, in my opinion, of technical thinkers may be people like Isaac Newton or Galileo — the ones who meticulously lay the groundwork for some field of study. Examples of artistic thinkers may be Nietzsche, George Carlin, and perhaps Schopenhauer — the ones who think outside of the box, in a more carefree, unlimited, unrestrained, unconfined fashion.

Also, lastly, if anyone's curious, Alan Watts had a little way of looking at people in a similar fashion (as I just recently found out), which he called "Prickles and Goo." Look it up on youtube. And for the record, I thought this idea up in a very original manner. I've barely learned of Watt's idea of Prickles and Goo today!
 

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This, somewhat, alludes to perceiving functions---mainly Ni vs. Si---in my perception. I don't know, I see Philosophy as very technical. And I tend to gravitate towards said topics/discussion as oppose to empirical science, although myself very methodical and systematical. I enjoy making equations and quantifying esoteric studies [though it probably sounds more than it is to the common ear]. The Details of Abstraction!

I guess it boils down to logic and how it implores you towards an organized way of thinking.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and as always, I have been coincidentally thinking of the same idea.

I remember some Carl Jung quotes and his thoughts about factual vs. theoretical.
 

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How would you compare your theory to that of P/J types? I kind of see it as if P's would be artistic and J's as technical.
 

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How would you compare your theory to that of P/J types? I kind of see it as if P's would be artistic and J's as technical.

In terms of Myers-Briggs, the basic definition of J/P is simply if you more often judge fast or judge slow. How does it affect artistic traits? Also, I think 'art' needs to be defined; semantics should b clarified.
 

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This, somewhat, alludes to perceiving functions---mainly Ni vs. Si---in my perception. I don't know, I see Philosophy as very technical. And I tend to gravitate towards said topics/discussion as oppose to empirical science, although myself very methodical and systematical. I enjoy making equations and quantifying esoteric studies [though it probably sounds more than it is to the common ear]. The Details of Abstraction!

I guess it boils down to logic and how it implores you towards an organized way of thinking.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and as always, I have been coincidentally thinking of the same idea.

I remember some Carl Jung quotes and his thoughts about factual vs. theoretical.

How insightful! Yeah, it could easily correlate to the difference between general Sensing and Intuition processes. I'm sure most ST types would easily be technical, while more NT types will be artistic. I'm not really sure how to break down the ST types, because they're a bit foreign to me.

But I can break down the NTs this way (perhaps?): you could generally correlate INTJ with the technical thinkers and INTP with the artistic thinkers (or, conversely, you could also loosely correlate ENTP with artistic thinkers and ENTJ with technical thinkers). In a nutshell, it seems Ne and Ti generally lead more to the artistic, philosophical bent, while Ni and Te generally lead to the technical, scientific bent.

Thus, most ENTJs and INTJs will probably choose technical, while most INTPs and ENTPs will choose artistic. But obviously some Ti/Ne thinkers can be technical, and some Te/Ni thinkers can be artistic. It just seems to be an overall pattern concerning the cognitive functions.

So even when it comes to intuitive thinker types, there may be a bit of tension between the technical and artistic thinkers. Also, I would prefer to look at the different between TECHNICAL thinkers and ARTISTIC thinkers in terms of NT rationals (because NT rationals seem the most naturally and inherently driven to find knowledge, seek understanding, and actually organize the world through the use of the mind). Surely ST types can be scientists and whatnot, but they mostly tend to be mechanical engineers and things like that. NTs are the real truth-seekers of the types.

So I mostly mean this with regard to truth-seeking. Hence, NTs.
 

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How would you compare your theory to that of P/J types? I kind of see it as if P's would be artistic and J's as technical.

Precisely. I think Ps would be more artistic (INTP/ENTP) and Js would be more technical (ENTJ/INTJ). It just seems that the J types would want things more organized and precise, which gives a sense of trustworthiness, reliability, and overall closure, whereas the P types would want things more open, less organized, loose and less rigid or rigorous, without much care for reliability or closure.

For instance, Friedrich Nietzsche famously said, "There are no facts, only interpretations." This seems to be me to be one of the greatest expressions of the artistic thinker frame of mind. In essence, for an artistic thinker, the world is just a big place for us to subjectively form our interpretations. Thus, there's no reason why any one view should be more correct or accurate than another (although there are clearly different degrees of accuracy). The would basically be that we should be a bit more skeptical and less dogmatic about things. We might think the world is flat and later realize it isn't. So what's the use of being so technical about it?

On other hand, some thinkers obviously find great pleasure in uncovering scientific laws and whatnot that explain the universe. To these people, it's much more preferable to take the world one meticulous step at a time, with a very serious scientific rigor.

So yeah, J and P seem to correlate a bit.
 

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I don't understand at all, to me philosophy isn't the slightest bit artistic, as individuals our perception of reality may be subjective but there is but only one objective truth, one true reality of which we all inhabit, and each philosopher strives towards that truth, attempting to see beyond individual bias so as to see what reality really is.

A technical thinker sees the mind as a powerful tool which is to be used with extreme care -- cautiously and meticulously, so that error is reduced at all costs. Specific, well-polished truths are this types highest aim; they want to describe and understand reality according to some well-understood, error-free view, based on sound evidence.
Do you think Friedrich Nietzsche explored the implications of nihilism because he liked it, of course not, the man went mad trying to reconcile his personal values with a hypothesis that, if true, completely undermined them. What drove him wasn't a preference for that hypothesis, instead it was his inability to escape it, to disprove it, that man was a true philosopher because the objective validity of his perspective was worth more to him than his happiness or even his own sanity.

That is not a man who muses artistically, like some whimsical painter trying to decide if his work would benefit from a different shade of colour, that is a man who puts reason before emotion and treats his mind with the same methodological precision as a chemist does when concocting explosives.

The mind of a philosopher requires incredible dedication and precision to weed out the fallacies of personal bias, false assumption or poor logic. Granted there are aspects of creativity and adaptability involved, just as artists have methodologies to follow if they’re to be successful in their craft (like painting the background before the foreground) but analytical validity comes first, otherwise our hypothetical philosopher is at best a storyteller, nothing more.
 

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How insightful! Yeah, it could easily correlate to the difference between general Sensing and Intuition processes. I'm sure most ST types would easily be technical, while more NT types will be artistic. I'm not really sure how to break down the ST types, because they're a bit foreign to me.

In recognition of Cognisant's thoughts, perhaps you should define philosophy differently? Philosophy is an objective truth-seeking pursuit. The only thing that separates it from science itself is that it is broader and how science is restricted to what can be empirically measured, which means that Science is under Philosophy and perhaps Math is also under Philosophy? Such is the severe "technicality" of philosophy.

Maybe your ideas are centered solely on Abstract vs. Concrete? Or Scientific reality vs. philosophical reality?


But I can break down the NTs this way (perhaps?): you could generally correlate INTJ with the technical thinkers and INTP with the artistic thinkers (or, conversely, you could also loosely correlate ENTP with artistic thinkers and ENTJ with technical thinkers). In a nutshell, it seems Ne and Ti generally lead more to the artistic, philosophical bent, while Ni and Te generally lead to the technical, scientific bent.

Thus, most ENTJs and INTJs will probably choose technical, while most INTPs and ENTPs will choose artistic. But obviously some Ti/Ne thinkers can be technical, and some Te/Ni thinkers can be artistic. It just seems to be an overall pattern concerning the cognitive functions.

If we are thinking of artistic = imaginatively minded/highly theoretical and less grounded, then I believe Ni dominants would be most typologically appropriate to relate it with. This is because the other perceiving function for Ne'ers is Si; Si is the subconscious pull of grounding things on understood perception of reality. It searches for historical consistency. Ni'ers, on the other hand, have a more flexible worldview.

So even when it comes to intuitive thinker types, there may be a bit of tension between the technical and artistic thinkers. Also, I would prefer to look at the different between TECHNICAL thinkers and ARTISTIC thinkers in terms of NT rationals (because NT rationals seem the most naturally and inherently driven to find knowledge, seek understanding, and actually organize the world through the use of the mind). Surely ST types can be scientists and whatnot, but they mostly tend to be mechanical engineers and things like that. NTs are the real truth-seekers of the types.
So I mostly mean this with regard to truth-seeking. Hence, NTs.

I am not sure about the efficiency of dividing types in Judging and Perceiving while disregarding the -troversion of the function.

Regardless, if NT's generally tend to seek objective truth, NF's searches for subjective truth.


Precisely. I think Ps would be more artistic (INTP/ENTP) and Js would be more technical (ENTJ/INTJ). It just seems that the J types would want things more organized and precise, which gives a sense of trustworthiness, reliability, and overall closure, whereas the P types would want things more open, less organized, loose and less rigid or rigorous, without much care for reliability or closure.
This is If Artistic = lack of organization. Theoretical or Imaginative thinking is not necessarily affected by a person's preference for directivity.

For instance, Friedrich Nietzsche famously said, "There are no facts, only interpretations." This seems to be me to be one of the greatest expressions of the artistic thinker frame of mind. In essence, for an artistic thinker, the world is just a big place for us to subjectively form our interpretations. Thus, there's no reason why any one view should be more correct or accurate than another (although there are clearly different degrees of accuracy). The would basically be that we should be a bit more skeptical and less dogmatic about things. We might think the world is flat and later realize it isn't. So what's the use of being so technical about it?
This is a very Ni. Ni is all about perception and non-reliant on 'factual'(Si) views. This conclusion, however, is brought by "technical" thinking directed on seeking most universal truths, which in this case is relativity.
 

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the right brain/left brain tests always compute a perfectly balanced score for me. more artistic incentive and feeling would be embraced, however. cold logic is sometimes ungratifying.
 

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spaceyeti, somehow that response was intuited from your trechant posts. nonetheless, my core belief is that unmitigated logic fails to give meaning to some aspects of the human condition. one would be hard pressed to cogently explain with pure logic why a piece of music is moving or why love binds people together. okay, you could, but that cheapens the emotion - my chief point is that some things have to be felt. any peak experience in life requires the presence of open sentiment; without this we would be walking, talking drones.
 

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I think I kinda get it.

I identify more with the artistic one. Of course I'm all for removing all personal biases, wanting pure logic yada yada yada. But I'm not so "attached" to it. Thinking and logic is more of a game. And my perspective is constantly changing as I gather new facts. Today I'm more of a nihilist. Tomorrow I might be something else. But who cares? It's like an entraining game that I don't feel bad about loosing. I don't have that rigidness I get the impression the technicals have.

It's hard to put into words. I see myself in the explanation of the artistic thinker, but I don't see it as a need for emotions or as a less logical mindset. It's just a different path of attaining truth. Even a man obsessed with details could be wrong.

I don't think I'll ever be able to escape my subjective cage, so I acknowledge there has to be paradoxes in my thinking. I am both wise and ignorant. I see the world as a beautiful place as well as a horrendous one. I am both emotional and cold. The only truth is there are no truths.

Or so.

Ed: 400th post, yay!
 

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I don't understand at all, to me philosophy isn't the slightest bit artistic, as individuals our perception of reality may be subjective but there is but only one objective truth, one true reality of which we all inhabit, and each philosopher strives towards that truth, attempting to see beyond individual bias so as to see what reality really is.

Well, you're probably talking about academic philosophy. In that case, philosophy is indeed highly technical, as academic philosophy can be very critical and logically rigorous. Yet, I meant philosophy in a broader sense, not merely limited to academia. Was Nietzsche a true member of academia? Hell no, he didn't get along with his peers and disagreed with the entire institution. Hence, philosophy in the broader sense isn't necessarily technical or rigorous in the sense in which it is the case, in academia. General philosophy is more theoretical than exacting (even if it's become a bit more exacting due to people like Bertrand Russell). Thus, I would point out philosophers like Rousseau when speaking of philosophy as artistic. In this sense, it's merely a logical, analytical tool used to think creatively about society and the world, not one which is used to harness exacting truths of the world, but merely new ways of looking at things.

Do you think Friedrich Nietzsche explored the implications of nihilism because he liked it, of course not, the man went mad trying to reconcile his personal values with a hypothesis that, if true, completely undermined them. What drove him wasn't a preference for that hypothesis, instead it was his inability to escape it, to disprove it, that man was a true philosopher because the objective validity of his perspective was worth more to him than his happiness or even his own sanity.

That is not a man who muses artistically, like some whimsical painter trying to decide if his work would benefit from a different shade of colour, that is a man who puts reason before emotion and treats his mind with the same methodological precision as a chemist does when concocting explosives.

The mind of a philosopher requires incredible dedication and precision to weed out the fallacies of personal bias, false assumption or poor logic. Granted there are aspects of creativity and adaptability involved, just as artists have methodologies to follow if they’re to be successful in their craft (like painting the background before the foreground) but analytical validity comes first, otherwise our hypothetical philosopher is at best a storyteller, nothing more.

The fact that Nietzsche was trying to diagnose society with Nihilism, and consequently cure it, indicates that he was thinking outside the box. Most philosophers didn't concern themselves with Nihilism at all. In concerning himself with social matters which most other thinkers seemed to ignore, he was inherently being a nonconformist and breaking with norms of his day. Most of greatest ideas are left-field out of the box in nature; they aren't simply technical and rigorously built. In fact, Nietzsche rallied against rationality, against the over use and value of logic, against the development of philosophical "systems," and against morality. Now how can someone be seen as a "technical thinker" who was against systems entirely, whose philosophy is difficult to accept in terms of a lack of technical structure? Many philosophers and historians are uncomfortable including Nietzsche in philosophical collections or historical works because they don't feel his work is true philosophy, probably because he was so loose and free in the approach which he took to create his work. So no, I don't think Nietzsche was very technical in the sense which I explained it.

That is not a man who muses artistically, like some whimsical painter trying to decide if his work would benefit from a different shade of colour, that is a man who puts reason before emotion and treats his mind with the same methodological precision as a chemist does when concocting explosives.

I beg to differ. Nietzsche was not very technical, in my opinion. He wrote in the form of aphorisms. He was highly figurative and used much literary elements when creating and expressing his ideas. He was a pretty good poet and even wrote music. Hence, he was well acquainted with the artistic side of things and even if he was really great at critical analysis, he didn't really limited himself to really strict ways of finding truth or seeking understanding. Instead, all he said was that philosophers should be skeptics. From there, he merely gives future philosophers things to avoid, not methods they can use to create systems. Nietzsche didn't like systems (and systems are usually the love of technical thinkers). Nietzsche didn't care for methods (unlike Descartes, who actually tried to develop a few).

So you may view Nietzsche's analytical style as technical (in which case you may have "some" grounds on which to view him as a technical thinker), but he seems largely and overall more a free-minded, less systematically rigorous philosopher who merely wished to think outside the box a little, from a new and fresh perspective. According to what I wrote, that's more an artistic thinker, not a completely rigorous and technical thinker who builds a structure based on very finely tuned principles. Nietzsche had some principles, but he obviously didn't wish to structure anything absolutely based on those principles. Instead, they seemed more like guidelines.

But since we obviously disagree on this, I would encourage others to give some input on this matter. Is Nietzsche more artistic or technical, according to what I wrote?
 

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In recognition of Cognisant's thoughts, perhaps you should define philosophy differently? Philosophy is an objective truth-seeking pursuit. The only thing that separates it from science itself is that it is broader and how science is restricted to what can be empirically measured, which means that Science is under Philosophy and perhaps Math is also under Philosophy? Such is the severe "technicality" of philosophy.

Maybe your ideas are centered solely on Abstract vs. Concrete? Or Scientific reality vs. philosophical reality?

Well, to be perfectly blunt, philosophy isn't inherently akin to art (but I think it's very close, in the broader sense). While science is sometimes "soft" and mostly "hard," philosophy can be very hard and technical, but is also soft and more artistic. Hence, between art and science stands philosophy, which is a bit of both. So, academic philosophy is surely more technical, while freelance philosophy that we find outside of academia tends to be more artistic. Science is based on strict methods and principles, whereas philosophy is more open to less structured thoughts and ideas. Therefore, I definitely wouldn't consider philosophy a completely technical pursuit, in the broader sense. In it's scientific nature (academic philosophy) it can be very technical. But I think philosophy, in the broader sense, beyond academia, is actually a mixture of art and science, and I personally would view philosophy as a whole as more leaning in the artistic direction. But I encourage you guys to continue to question my stance. If philosophy isn't entirely technical or artistic, why should we view it as more technical or more artistic? Or, should it be seen as a bit of both?

If we are thinking of artistic = imaginatively minded/highly theoretical and less grounded, then I believe Ni dominants would be most typologically appropriate to relate it with. This is because the other perceiving function for Ne'ers is Si; Si is the subconscious pull of grounding things on understood perception of reality. It searches for historical consistency. Ni'ers, on the other hand, have a more flexible worldview.

But you're forgetting that even if many Ni dominants tend to be imaginative and possibly theoretical, they tend to use Te a large portion of the time. Those with a strong sense of empirical thinking like this will probably learn to control their mystical Ni tendencies, by bringing it some kind of structure. Surely, there are artistic Ni dominants out there, but I tend to see many Ni dominants as more technical in their approach, as they usually wish to build very strict and particular systems of thought, whereas the more artistic thinkers do not. Hence, the judging aspect of things.

And we aren't talking about "world views." We're talking about how someone actually uses their thinking. How do they go about their thinking? What's their general approach or method? Surely, many Ni dominants are very "big picture" oriented people. But that doesn't make someone artistic. What makes someone artistic is when they take that big picture and play around with it, like a silly food for thought type thing, as a kind of prototype to be molded and reshaped, like an inventor. Just playing around with ideas and thoughts. A technical thinker takes that big picture and wants to mold it into something real, right away, based on structure and form. A technical thinker wants all of the details in place, whereas the artistic thinker will leave most of the details out and just play around with things anyway. So this notion of "world views" doesn't really mean anything to me. It seems irrelevant in terms of whether or not someone is technical or artistic.



I am not sure about the efficiency of dividing types in Judging and Perceiving while disregarding the -troversion of the function.

Regardless, if NT's generally tend to seek objective truth, NF's searches for subjective truth.

That's a very good point. But then again you must remember that I'm talking about truth-seekers. The only NF's who usually tend to seriously seek truth are the INFJ's. And I'm sure many INFJ's would consider themselves to be artistic, because they may have less of the rigorous analytical inclinations of the thinking processes. But then again, they may also feel like artistic with a bit of technical ability, if they enjoy creating structure like the INTJ's.



This is If Artistic = lack of organization. Theoretical or Imaginative thinking is not necessarily affected by a person's preference for directivity.

Well, this is true. Technical doesn't mean that someone is entirely unimaginative, they just tend to control their imagination in a very rigorous manner, whereas an artistic thinker tends to control their imagination less, with less rigor, and hence less organization and structure. So it's how they control their imaginations that really counts. I never meant to say that technical thinkers lack imaginations. As I said, I meant most of this stuff with regard to NTs (being thinkers). All NT's are imaginative intuitives. It's just how they use their imagination that matters.


This is a very Ni. Ni is all about perception and non-reliant on 'factual'(Si) views. This conclusion, however, is brought by "technical" thinking directed on seeking most universal truths, which in this case is relativity.

Indeed. Nietzsche had a very developed Ni. However, he seems to have used his Te a lot less than other INTJ's. He seems mostly dominated by a very hardcore intuition. Hence, his artistic, creative, expressive nature. And surely his conclusion came from the recognition of the fact that there is no objective way of knowing complete facts about the world, but that instead humans are limited to relative subjective perceptions of the world (hence, perspectivism). But even if Nietzsche realized this from a thinking perspective, I think it also implies his artistic nature, as he is essentially pushing against and defying the modernistic notion that we can actually achieve and acquire universal truths about the world (which science at his time was convinced it could achieve). Hence, it's Nietzsche being a postmodernistic thinker. And I tend to associate postmodernism with an artistic bent, because if you realize there's no objective way to view the world, all views instantly become more valid, and then there's less reason to be rigorous and selective about what is truthful and what isn't.
 

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I think I kinda get it.

I identify more with the artistic one. Of course I'm all for removing all personal biases, wanting pure logic yada yada yada. But I'm not so "attached" to it. Thinking and logic is more of a game. And my perspective is constantly changing as I gather new facts. Today I'm more of a nihilist. Tomorrow I might be something else. But who cares? It's like an entraining game that I don't feel bad about loosing. I don't have that rigidness I get the impression the technicals have.

It's hard to put into words. I see myself in the explanation of the artistic thinker, but I don't see it as a need for emotions or as a less logical mindset. It's just a different path of attaining truth. Even a man obsessed with details could be wrong.

I don't think I'll ever be able to escape my subjective cage, so I acknowledge there has to be paradoxes in my thinking. I am both wise and ignorant. I see the world as a beautiful place as well as a horrendous one. I am both emotional and cold. The only truth is there are no truths.

Or so.

Ed: 400th post, yay!

Interesting, your outlook sounds very postmodern. You don't really seem too caught up in the entire idea that some ideas are more factual than others. To me, this is an artistic way of thinking indeed.

So I'm question to myself whether or not Kant was more artistic or technical. Clearly, he had a technical side, but then again, he also had a loose subjective artistic side. Perhaps he was a bit of both.
 

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Okay, guys. I want to come back to this idea, from a new perspective.
You can vote or not. If you already have, then you're set.
Basically, I want to see if there's any sort of correlation between my notion of "Artistic Thinkers" and Holland's "Artistic Investigators," and my "Technical Thinkers" and Holland's "Realistic Investigators," as found in the Holland Codes.

So, go http://www.roguecc.edu/counseling/hollandcodes/test.asp here see what you get as your Holland Code. Post your Holland Code and whether or not you think you're more technical or artistic (or both).
 

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My Code is basically AI (Artistic Investigative).
I don't have enough interest in the others to really make a 3 letter code.
So I will leave it as AI.

And I voted "Mostly artistic, but slightly technical."
 

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I got IAR, I think I voted mostly artistic too.
Pretty cool site.
 

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I got IAR, I think I voted mostly artistic too.
Pretty cool site.

but do you consider yourself an artistic or technical thinker?
From your code, you're probably a little balanced. hmmm
 

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Artistic was behind Investigative by one point if that means anything.

I am definitely an artistic thinker, I prefer to be unrestricted in my thoughts. Though I do seek to systematize my model of reality, my means of doing so must not be held back by conventional methods. I can be technical if I have to, but it's really tedious to get all the details down to be precise and readily logical to the outsider.
 

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IAR

Investigative: 12
Artistic: 11
Realistic: 5
 

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I tend to be slightly artistically inclined (using a right/left brain test).

Forgive me if this has already been addressed -- I only read part of the way down before I got to this idea -- but I think how you perceive philosophy itself is indicative of how you think. If you tend to think in abstractions (artistically) you would view philosophy as artistic. If you tend to think in absolutes (technically) you would view philosophy as technical.

Since philosophy is, generally speaking, the science of determining the world (yes, I know, it's an overly simplistic and arguably incorrect definition, but I think this theory could be applied no matter how you define it), wouldn't it make sense that your own personal world view would affect how you think of how to get to that world view?

Edit: I just scrolled up a bit to see the Holland test and I'm a bit confused. I got "Your Holland Codes are as follows:

You all seem to be referring to a single code. Is that the first one? The strongest one? I am confused. :confused:
 

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Farion said:
Edit: I just scrolled up a bit to see the Holland test and I'm a bit confused. I got "Your Holland Codes are as follows:
IRS
ISR
ARS
ASR

You probably ticked too many things resulting in a tie.

Not necessarily a bad thing.

I got AIR and the only occupation is architect (which I'm not). At least you have more choice :p.
 

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Edit: I just scrolled up a bit to see the Holland test and I'm a bit confused. I got "Your Holland Codes are as follows:

You all seem to be referring to a single code. Is that the first one? The strongest one? I am confused. :confused:
Yea like walfin said, you must've been tied. I only got IAR.
 

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I got ISA and it basically recommends me to become a nurse or physician - and preferably changing my surname to House in the process. There is probably a parallel universe in which this result makes sense.
 

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Your results for the Holland Code Quiz are as follows:

  • Realistic: 4
  • Investigative: 13 *highest
  • Artistic: 8


  • Social: 2 *lowest
  • Enterprising: 0 *no score
  • Conventional: 2 *lowest

Your Holland Codes are as follows:

 

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Your results for the Holland Code Quiz are as follows:
Realistic: 7 Investigative: 12 *highest Artistic: 12 *highest
Social: 9 Enterprising: 2 *lowest Conventional: 8
Your Holland Codes are as follows:
ISA ASI
 

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You guys are forgetting to add if you think you're more technical or artistic lol
 

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I don't know which kind of shitstorm am I getting myself into by saying this, but in my opinion artistic intelligence is far superior compared to, say, technical. Artistic thinking is abstract, it has no bounds or boxes to limit its range. It has no measurements, its the ultimate intelligence. Artistic thinking can lead to silly, unlogical results, but more than often to entirely new thoughts and theories. Whereas technical, more scientific style of thinking has its own systems and regulations, which truly limit its capabilities. I have never put too much value on strict order or rules.

Of course a philosopher needs to have certain guidelines to keep his thought processes in control, but without abstract thinking, theres no new deductions. Only repeating something which many before have already stated. I absolutely think that Nietzsche was the prime example of artistic but logical thinker, a role model for all philosophers.

Oh yeah, I too got AI (13/13) from the Holland Code. And I do think I'm more artistic than investigative/technical.
 

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Good post.
I agree with you about Nietzsche, and the value of artistic thinking.
But I want to stress that both types of thinking are necessary for the building of knowledge.
What would have become of Einstein, if others hadn't rigorously tested his theory?

All that creative thinking would've been useless, if someone didn't take the time to perform scientific, technical experiments on them, and so on. So, both types of thinking are valuable, just in different ways. They have pros and cons.

I'm sure a technical thinker can easily point out the flaws of artistic thinking.
And often times, they're just as valid.

Overall, I prefer artistic thinking. But I give technical thinking it's place.
Technical thinking allows us to be structured.
Artistic thinking allows us to look beyond what we already know.
Technical thinking limits our views.
Artistic thinking sometimes results in pointless abstraction.

Good and bad. They are both useful.
 
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