Agent Intellect
Absurd Anti-hero.
translation: you don't believe what i believe, so you must be confused.
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translation: you don't believe what i believe, so you must be confused.
Jordan~
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It's all the funnier that what he believes is that not only moonmen, but folk from the Pleiades, of all places, have visited that beardie chap. What were they looking for, the president of the local birdwatching society?
Dissident
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My sincerest condolences.
Thomas Young
Banned
No, don't twist my words. I said how can YOU call someone crazy (as one of you called Mr. Meier crazy in this case which is saying that they think he is confused and mad in the mind) when it is YOU who are confused and don't understand or fail to even investigate, disregarding it before you even know the facts?
This comment confirms your ignorant thinking. Why does the appearance concern you when it is what he has to say is the important thing. Haha would you trust him more if he wore a suit and a clean haircut? You are foolish to assume his value based on the fact that he has grown a beard... 'judge not lest you be judged.'
Do not insult me with your false pity, you are the one in need of help and guidance, but it is all in the path of learning. My condolences for you are the amount of circles you will run in before you realise truth.
Jordan~
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I'm only ridiculing him because I'm beyond taking him seriously enough to be argued with. If he wore a suit and a clean haircut, the incongruity would make him even more ludicrous.
Aliens from the Pleiades? You can't write this stuff.
Aliens from the Pleiades? You can't write this stuff.
Waterstiller
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Just don't drink his punch, Thomas.
Thomas Young
Banned
Then until you come out of this ignorant slump your in, anyone with an ounce of wisdom will indeed be beyond divulging the nature of truth to you.
Thomas Young
Banned
Just don't drink his punch, Thomas.
No I've drunk a sobering tonic, while the majority are still drunk!
Jennywocky
Creepy Clown Chick
Yeah. Especially if they didn't bring a casserole or a dessert like requested.
(I hate those intergalactic freeloaders!)
Jennywocky
Creepy Clown Chick
I didn't really bother reading the whole thing, so I won't comment on it really.
Yes, I think it's important to give someone a fair shake.
However, you can't just assume the other guy is crazy and doesn't understand, you're pushing back unfairly even as you claim your opponent is being unfair.
And frankly, not all claims are equal.
To whit, is there something unfair or wrong about me if I hear someone say that the moon is made of green cheese and I laugh or think he's a kook right away? Do I need to entertain the thought that perhaps just this once, this person might actually be correct, in order to show myself open-minded?
To me, there seems to be a path of diminishing returns, and once the percentage of probable truthfulness drops far enough, you can probably choose not to invest in something that you've already concluded earlier is liable to not be true.
(Note: I think there's a better chance that aliens visited Meier than that the moon is made of green cheese... but not much better.)
Let's discuss probabilities then.
Which man is more apt to be crazy: The one who can take care of his appearance and is AWARE of his appearance enough to care for it? Or the one who doesn't shower, is unkempt, looks like he slept in his clothes for two weeks straight, etc? There's a reason why the people in the asylums are usually messed up, appearance-wise; they aren't coherent enough to care for themselves.
We're not talking certainties. We're talking probabilities. If you look more sane, chances are you probably are more sane. That sort of "probability assessment" helps us conserve our energy to focus our thinking on the cases that truly deserve it. We do this all the time.
I don't think Meier's appearance means 100% he's nuts.
But there's more chance of it, using his appearance as one reference point.
I like circles. They take me to familiar places.
Decaf
Professional Amateur
Drunk on what? That insinuates that something we have taken in is impairing our sense of judgment. What might that be?
Jordan~
Prolific Member
Also, it's not the beard - if he was wearing a beard and a toga, he would command respect!
Agent Intellect
Absurd Anti-hero.
i've meditated on it and the aliens have spoken to me. they tells me i need to take another shot of whiskey. this shit really does work, guys!
Artifice Orisit
Guest
*Mental note: 1. get toga 2. grow beard*
Mr. Meier may have strange beliefs, however from a purely logical standpoint his beliefs are just-as, if not more probable than those of Christianity.
People tell me to have an open mind, what they actually want me to be openly biased. (My pre-emptive response to any Christian who disputes my comparison)
Regarding the whole validity of quality of music, debate
I'm sitting here currently listening to "Fur Elise" and you can all keep your new-age lyrics. They're just words used by big mouthed, over confident 'artists'*snigger* to hide how terrible the actual 'music'*snigger* is.
Regarding literature and J.K. something-or-other
I criticized her books,
somebody asked me how mine was going,
and I hung my head in shame.
Thomas Young
Banned
I didn't say he was crazy, he said that! I said he is confused in his thinking and doesn't understand because he doesn't wish to presumably.
If you looked into it more and did your own research on this case which you clearly haven't, you'll stop assuming and find ther is a gulf between your analogy and the facts of this case.
For one I'm sure this man washes, he lives in a house. I should mention that he is a farmer, and many farmers have this scruffy appearance due to the nature of the work. Unlike you the spiritual person does not judge a persons mental stability based on a haircut or clean clothes because they are just a way of putting your hair in certain styles that society say is the 'good way of doing so' so your question of who is more apt is a silly question in my eyes. Mental instability is a mental thing you can't diagnose a madman by the clothes he wears, its usually on the way they behave. Ted Bundy, the biggest psycho in America was a clean cut 'sane' looking man.
Speak for yourself, I don't do that. I'm far more likely to give the time to someone who looks or behaves differently and interestingly from a man in a suit gobbling on about money. To me society is insane, and people like Billy are the actual human beings living in the correct way living in accordance with the natural laws of creation. The way he looks, when you can escape your ego and look at him without judgement of his appearance (which I might add is not as radical or shabby as you seem to be making out) has no bearing whatsoever on the truth.
What good is a cup that is shiny on the outside but on the inside its corroded? Better a dull looking cup but on the inside is clean that you can drink from it.
Your ideas are strange to me for obvious reasons.
Lots of reasons decaf. People fail to see the truth as they are drunk in material things and believe the material to be the ultimate reality. Drunk on what politicians, priests and other men of power tell them. Brainwashed by propaganda. Lots of things cover your eyes from seeing, but I don't blame you its difficult for someone set in a way to come back and think again about things to reconsider ones existence and role in life. Nonetheless, this has to be done for those who don't recognize the truth. As truth will always prevail no matter how long you deny it. Maybe for some will take many more lifetimes before they accept the true laws of nature and follow them.
Agent Intellect
Absurd Anti-hero.
i could claim that you're blinded by your own beliefs. you use it as a rosy colored sunglasses to blind yourself from the meaninglesness and futility of existence. you think of it as the truth, but its only the shield of spirituality thrown up against a cruel world so you don't have to think that it all happened by mistake and that there is no purpose to it. if you could only stop looking at everything through the self delusional veil of self indulged ignorance, you could see existence for what it really is: cruel, indifferent, cold, meaningless and empty.
can you prove that you're beliefs are more correct then that?
Thomas Young
Banned
You could, but as I said to Jordan you would be wrong in saying that I'm blind. Knowing the truth isn't rosy like you say, its just the truth. Infact the path to knowledge and wisdom takes a large amount of effort to persue and avoid deviating from the path. Attempting to teach the ignorant is very difficult. The wise go through some of the hardest times (Jmmanuel (Jesus))but will always come out on top and this is the ultimate advantage. As you say the world isn't cruel its the people within it in high positions that make it so. However there is hope if people start listening to the wise ones of this earth and not what they hear on the news from false leaders and priests. The truth is not how you think of it, there is no vail or euphoria gained from learning truth its a growing harmony in ones head and as you get wiser fearfulness becomes more absent from your endeavours. The earth and all living things have a purpose, simply put our purpose is to continually evolve in regard to our conciousness in order to perfect the spirit. Earth is like school, behave and follow the laws and your mind will be free to roam the realms of knowledge. If you deviate and go against the laws of creation your mind is locked away in darkness from the light of truth. We are here to learn and gather knowledge and wisdom in order to grow wiser and wiser with each incarnation until eventually over countless incarnations on this earth, we become one with creation which is also contiuously perfecting itself. There is cruelty just like there is mercy and peace, there is cold, and warm hearts its up to you to set an example to others through being righteous and following the laws. If you gained knowledge you'll realise that this earth is absolutely nessesary, its a learning place for our spirits to flourish during incarnations. Everything has a balance, and this material realm compliments the realm beyond in tandem. Without the material existence creation would cease to learn and evolve. Without creation there would be no material, and no game to play
. That what earth is a passing game that is here for us to enjoy with everyone else.ElectricWizard
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Pissed off at exploitation? Annoyed at media brainwashing and commodity fetishism? Try... Revolution!
Jennywocky
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You win, dude. I've dealt with enough people like you to know when not to waste my time.
Enjoy your perspective.
Thomas Young
Banned
Yes, infact there will be revolution but hopefully not violent. The revolution of truth has already begun its just a matter of time before people recognize it. Revolution will be necessary to overthrow corrupt governments and silly religious cults. Change will happen from the ground up, but the revolution on behalf of the people that follow creation won't be violent I don't think. Truth starts with a person learning and passing it on to the next like a growing snowball rolling down a hill, that's the effect the truth will have when it is spread by worthy teachers. So not a physical but a mental revolution so people think and recognize creation.
I didn't win as this is not a competition. I'm correct and you are incorrect. Learn from it, and enjoy learning.
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Hey, you aren't going to easily have a peaceful revolution in fascism. 
Thomas Young
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Hey, you aren't going to easily have a peaceful revolution in fascism.
Fascism who's fascist? Hope your not referring to me sonny jim.
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No, fascism in general. If there are fascist countries and dictatorships, you're not going to get your way easily. Crud, even in the US, the owners of the country are going to do their best to stop you from spreading anything, though I wouldn't advocate violent revolution there unless they start the violence.
Thomas Young
Banned
Very true, it won't be easy but it will happen. Eventually.
Decaf
Professional Amateur
How patronizing.
Not once have you entertained the concept that someone else presenting their ideas might be right. That's not an argument, that's a yelling match. What's the point? Why even continue posting? You're aren't going to sway anyone, and you can't be swayed, so why do you post about it?
You're not telling us anything about your viewpoint beyond how certain you are it is correct and how certain you are that ours is wrong and how we can't possibly understand until we've followed you down the path of "enlightenment". None of that is information. So if you're not sharing information and you're not arguing a viewpoint, why post?
Agent Intellect
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you talk as if what you believe is the known truth. i find it both sad and amusing.
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Not all threads on this forum are funny or enlightening.
I say that for no particular reason except that it just occured to me that it is so.
I say that for no particular reason except that it just occured to me that it is so.
Thomas Young
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It might feel patronizing because of your ego and unwillingness to learn from someone who is younger. No I have not entertained your ideas because I have considered your theories way before you expressed them on this forum. but they don't make any sense in the light of things. I'm not forcing you, I'm just letting you know how it is accept it or don't. If you read the posts between me and Jordan you'd have known that I wasn't posting to argue as the truth is non debatable. You know it or you don't. To know it is to meditate and learn through life and do the right thing as often as possible. That's all I bring a message, don't shoot the messenger. This is information, if you'd like to know more ask me more.
Why are you sad and amused? These two conflicting emotions tell me your confused. What I speak of is the truth but it is not known, rather unknown, by many.
Agent Intellect
Absurd Anti-hero.
no, what you're saying is what you think is the truth. you refuse to to give anyone else's thoughts any logical analysis because you've approached the discussion with a conclusion already in mind. thats not critical thinking, its not open minded, and its not logical in the least. its stubborn, dogmatic, and quite condescending (not to mention fascist) to say that anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions is confused, drunk on materialism, or just wrong.
Thomas Young
Banned
Oh, don't get angry my friend. I am open minded but not to things that I've already considered in the past and dipelled as foolish thinking according to the laws of nature and creation. Once you know the truth (which is very simple when you begin to understand it) any deviating theories that people come up with become obsolete and ultimately, disposable. Let's not continue with this as we're not getting anywhere and I'm just inciting criticism and blasphemy, which is not the purpose of my initial post on this subject.
Dissident
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I humbly suggest to all people with sense here to drop this discussion, just... stop.
Thomas Young
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Stopped.
Jordan~
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I don't think this counts as a part of that discussion:
They are just as probable, yes - and accordingly, the other day I mocked a Christian street preacher for his dishevelled appearance while engaging him in debate. It's all the Cicero I have to read, I can't resist dropping irony and mockery into everything I say, and appealing to the crowd.
Every time that street preacher comes, he preaches outside the school, and I argue with him and I get a little crowd. It's fun. Last year he called me a sin.
My point is, I acknowledge the strangeness of Christianity and treat it no differently to the tin-foil-hat-wearing nutter's beliefs.
They are just as probable, yes - and accordingly, the other day I mocked a Christian street preacher for his dishevelled appearance while engaging him in debate. It's all the Cicero I have to read, I can't resist dropping irony and mockery into everything I say, and appealing to the crowd.
Every time that street preacher comes, he preaches outside the school, and I argue with him and I get a little crowd. It's fun. Last year he called me a sin.
My point is, I acknowledge the strangeness of Christianity and treat it no differently to the tin-foil-hat-wearing nutter's beliefs.
Agent Intellect
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compromise
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was thomas young a mentally deficient member of the intp clan? he had an air of new age bemusement about him, someone perennially on the cusp of a noteworthy insight. maybe thats what fueled his apoplectic temperament and violent outbursts. thomas young is undoubtedly working in a tollbooth or a dennys these days, but i - snafupants - sincerely desire to foment support for a thomas young support fund. whatever capacity thomas young finds himself in, intp forum members should band together and abet a fallen clansman? whos with me?!? dissident, can i sign you up to tie his shoelaces and puree his food for him on wednesdays?