Conflicting personality's

[Black Rose]

As INTPs which personality type is hardest for you to understand/get along with?

Is their a personality type that I as an INFJ should avoid?

 

[shoeless]

nobody should "avoid" anybody based solely on personality type. that's... dumb.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

I get along with most people regardless of their mbti personality type. There are people that I do not interact with people well but it is because of factors beyond the scope of mbti.

I have had to deal with an amount of sociopaths, narcissists, sadists, masochists, psychopaths and borderlines or any combination in my time. I suggest avoiding such types of people. Be aware that they gravitate towards independent individuals.

Judging by the description of the personality type infj, it is implied that you should not need to ask such questions because you already posses great powers of deduction in regards to the identification of motives of others.

Though, as an infj, you should avoid people that would inspire you to adopt detrimental social, political, economic and pseudo scientific beliefs.

 

[Black Rose]

I don't really want to avoid any other personality type. I did not really consider that what I was saying could be viewed negatively. I do that sometimes and that is why I don't talk to people afterward if making such a mistakes has left a big enough impact on me.

I suspect that different personality's communicate in differently ways, so the ones that communicate the least effectively with each other would on average have the most conflict. I would like to know which ones those are to learn how to communicate better.

 

[Puffy]

As far as I'm aware I am an INFJ as well and I have found I get on with other NFs the best, as well as ENTPs. In terms of who are the hardest to communicate to, while I have a few ST friends, I usually find their concrete view conflicts with my 'idealistic' one.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

nobody should "avoid" anybody based solely on personality type. that's... dumb.

Yea, except ESFJs.

As INTPs which personality type is hardest for you to understand/get along with?

Is their a personality type that I as an INFJ should avoid?

ESTPs, if you truly are an INFJ.

 

[Puffy]

ESFJs aren't that bad.

 

[Saoshyant]

Depends on the situation really. Hardest to understand and 'get' along with seem like two different categories to me. ESTJ and ESFJ in general though because I find them inefficient and annoying. In general, people are hard for me to understand, that is why I study typology all the time. Those ISFPs are pretty confusing.

"I get along with anyone regardless of personality" seems like some hippy bullshit to me . I can 'tolerate' most everyone, but I guess 'get along' with people has a lot of definitions/situations!

As for yourself (?NFJ), I'd like to know if you have had any experiences with either ESTP or ESFP?

 

[SkyWalker]

haha, you know what...

Watch out for narcissistic/sadistic psychic-vampires! (ESTJ?)

They will "leach from your valuable ideas" and "force you to do their tasks".

(But if you know how their clock ticks then you can also control them to "run for you" and then let them "run from you" when done, although that requires skill and is a dangerous endeavour. You should never keep them anyway)

 

[terraxceles]

Well as an INFJ... INTJ. They seem similar, but are nothing like INFJs and their Fi is impossible to understand which makes it all the more frustrating.

EDIT: What SkyWalker said. Describes an INTJ's relation with me to a T.

 

[Jennywocky]

I think people should be taken on a case-by-case basis; and differences among INTPs make it kinda hard to tell who should avoid whom.

Personally, I'm fine with ESFJs, now that I 'get them.'

But I have a lot of trouble reading ENTJs; and I end up in fights with most ENFPs, it seems. I don't tend to get as close to S types, but I can still read them pretty well enough to communicate and get along with them.

INFJs are one of my favorite types with which I still have a bit of trouble sometimes reading (depending on how naturally open they are or how much Ti they have developed), and ENFJs create issues too -- I think I keep looking for something under the surface, whereas they're really more on the surface. INTJs, I admire on some levels, but I actually have trouble reading them as well. From my discussions with INJ people, the problem is that using Ni they tend to jump to the conclusion, thinking the rest is obvious, and I see many more possibilities than what they seemed to see, so I'm lost as to why they're choosing just one.

 

[viche]

For friendships I'd say a balanced person of any type will do. If you're pretty easy-going yourself you can interact with anybody really. Find out their interests, talk about these, or if you can't just ask them questions about themselves continuously and listen to them.

For very close and involved relations INFJs should try to avoid ESTJs and ISTJs and INTPs should avoid ISFPs and ESFPs. Younger INFJs and INTPs may reject those functional elements that correspond to their tertiary and inferior but understanding and enjoyment of these functions grows with age. Usually in early 20s the tertiary function kicks in and inferior starts letting itself know around mid-30s or so. So as INFJ you'll start understanding ESTPs and ESFPs more as you get into middle age.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

For very close and involved relations INFJs should try to avoid ESTJs and ISTJs and INTPs should avoid ISFPs and ESFPs. Younger INFJs and INTPs may reject those functional elements that correspond to their tertiary and inferior but understanding and enjoyment of these functions grows with age. Usually in early 20s the tertiary function kicks in and inferior starts letting itself know around mid-30s or so. So as INFJ you'll start understanding ESTPs and ESFPs more as you get into middle age.

I highly disagree. The partnerships you listed are the most rewarding. INFJs should keep away from ESTPs and ESFPs because they have conflicting life values. In one observed case, ESTPs harassed a defenseless INFJ because of the timid, reserved nature she had.

 

[viche]

I highly disagree. The partnerships you listed are the most rewarding. INFJs should keep away from ESTPs and ESFPs because they have conflicting life values.

There may be conflict in values only in early life when both types don't make much use of their tertiary and inferior. But INFJs and ESTPs have all functions in common. As both types get older, they start to develop their tertiary and inferior and grow to resemble each other. This means less communication problems and less need to pretend to be someone that you are not as the other person is very much alike yourself but covers for your weaker points. INFJs have a Se fetish just like INTPs have a Fe one. It makes us feel good but we get exhausted expressing it ourselves. Thus we get drawn to types that have Se as dominant or auxiliary - ISxPs and ESxPs.

As for ESTP and INFJ that you saw in conflict may I inquire about their age?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

There may be conflict in values only in early life when both types don't make much use of their tertiary and inferior. But INFJs and ESTPs have all functions in common. As both types get older, they start to develop their tertiary and inferior and grow to resemble each other. This means less communication problems and less need to pretend to be someone that you are not as the other person is very much alike yourself but covers for your weaker points. INFJs have a Se fetish just like INTPs have a Fe one. It makes us feel good but we get exhausted expressing it ourselves. Thus we get drawn to types that have Se as dominant or auxiliary - ISxPs and ESxPs.

As for ESTP and INFJ that you saw in conflict may I inquire about their age?

MBTI/Socionics confusion.

What helps is observing your relationships with other people according to MBTI. The empirical evidence will contrast with what you think you know.

Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.

 

[viche]

MBTI/Socionics confusion.

What helps is observing your relationships with other people according to MBTI. The empirical evidence will contrast with what you think you know.

This is exactly what I have done. As INFJ it kind of comes naturally to me - observing people and relationship patterns after they have unfolded and interconnecting what I have observed. And I have observed that people are attracted to those who have their tertiary and inferior as dominant or auxiliary. This was even before I knew anything about socionics. When I started reading about socionics I was surprised to discover the same pattern revealed there in their relationship matrix. It predicted exactly the same thing I suspected. And if you think about it logically it makes perfect sense that you will understand people better if they have all of your functions in common because they will just see life in similar manner (there is a reason btw why INTPs get attracted to ISFJs and ESFJs - take a look at their functions).

In real life I conflict with ESTJs - no function in common between these two personalities and each one's dominant is the other's point of least resistance functions. Thus INFp and ESTj relationships are said to be that of conflict. And neither do I get along with ISTJs though these relations are more like of mutual cold respect. Given same information we don't see eye to eye for sure. But I get along with ESTPs and love hanging out with ISFPs and ISTPs. They drag me out to do stuff which it very refreshing and alleviates effects of dominant Ni for a while.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

This is exactly what I have done. As INFJ it kind of comes naturally to me - observing people and relationship patterns after they have unfolded and interconnecting what I have observed. And I have observed that people are attracted to those who have their tertiary and inferior as dominant or auxiliary. This was even before I knew anything about socionics. When I started reading about socionics I was surprised to discover the same pattern revealed there in their relationship matrix. It predicted exactly the same thing I suspected. And if you think about it logically it makes perfect sense that you will understand people better if they have all of your functions in common because they will just see life in similar manner (there is a reason btw why INTPs get attracted to ISFJs and ESFJs - take a look at their functions).

In real life I conflict with ESTJs - no function in common between these two personalities and each one's dominant is the other's point of least resistance functions. Thus INFp and ESTj relationships are said to be that of conflict. And neither do I get along with ISTJs though these relations are more like of mutual cold respect. Given same information we don't see eye to eye for sure. But I get along with ESTPs and love hanging out with ISFPs and ISTPs. They drag me out to do stuff which it very refreshing and alleviates effects of dominant Ni for a while.

This is because you are MBTI INFP(FiNe) and Socionics INFp(NiFe). In Socionics, INFps are the ESTps dual (best relationship partner). For me, they are Semi-Duals, and I have had some intense enjoyable experiences in the past with them.

 

[viche]

This is because you are MBTI INFP(FiNe) and Socionics INFp(NiFe). In Socionics, INFps are the ESTps dual (best relationship partner). For me, they are Semi-Duals, and I have had some intense enjoyable experiences in the past with them.

No I am indeed MBTI INFJ and hang out on INFJ forums. The other INFJs there often tell me that it is as if I read their minds when I describe my inner thought process in my posts. I very much identify with them as well. I have always tested as INFJ on MBTI tests, I relate to INFJ functional order, and never had any questions about my type.

I am not MBTI INFP and whenever I go hang out on their forums I very clearly sense the difference between myself and them as I don't use much introverted feeling, instead I use introverted logic. INFPs actually get offended a bit whenever my Ti shows up because Fi and Ti just don't get along together very well.

I associate with MBTI INFJ profiles as I have stated and Wikisocion INFp profile both of which have functional order assignment of Ni-Fe-Ti-Se.

 

[dark]

I find ISFJs absurd... *shudders*

Have to avoid them at all costs, avoid conversation. ESFJs are almost as bad. Had one an ESFJ friend and it was pretty bad, we had some things in common but there was no conversational material.

So who hates an ENTP, nobody right? *waits for hands to start raising*

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I have a question for people with INTJ friends...are they psycho or what?

This one from my old highschool added me on facebook. I've been conversing with deliberate speed as normal, but recently I made one damn counterargument on a post and he starts sending me indirect insults. WTF? I don't have time for this BS. As much as I am tolerant of different people and respect this guy's intelligence I would not want to associate with someone who cannot have the confidence to approach me upfront with conflicts.

 

[SpaceYeti]

As INTPs which personality type is hardest for you to understand/get along with?

Is their a personality type that I as an INFJ should avoid?

Pretty much any feeling type is difficult for me to get along with. They're always taking offense, being overly nice, making decisions based on how they feel instead of based on what would be the most efficient, etc. It's baffling and difficult.

 

[shoeless]

my, uh... no-longer-a-friend-friend was supposedly an INTJ (a goddamn histrionic one at that) and, yeah. my run-ins with INTJ's have been less than pleasant, but i certainly don't hold that against the entire type.

as far as i'm concerned, obviously nobody's going to get along with everyone and may not even tolerate everyone, but holding that to personality types is fucking absurd. just because people can be categorized by type doesn't mean that everyone in a type is going to be the same. there are so many other factors that people never consider in threads like these, such as upbringing, culture, attitude towards life, maturity, etc. that makes some people unbearable to us and others not as much, and that does not have that much to do with personality type.

if you're limiting yourself that much, you really need to expose yourself to more people. the world is bigger than that.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

if you're limiting yourself that much, you really need to expose yourself to more people. the world is bigger than that.

How exactly did you get the impression that I was limiting myself?

INTJs are often joked about as psychos, and I'm asking for personal opinions.

 

[shoeless]

sorry sorry, only the first part of that post was directed at you, the rest was the thread in general. i didn't mean to imply that was about you at all.

 

[stig]

Don't really care what the MBTI type is, but I tend to get along least with people who have giant ego's, and anal retentive tendencies. If they have a good sense of humor, it offsets the negative enough that the relationship is tolerable. If not, there's little hope of us remaining chummy for long.

 

[Jean Paul]

I make great friends with ENFJs me and ENTPs seem to make great colleauges and me and every XSFX seems to fight everyday,

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I have a question for people with INTJ friends...are they psycho or what?

This one from my old highschool added me on facebook. I've been conversing with deliberate speed as normal, but recently I made one damn counterargument on a post and he starts sending me indirect insults. WTF? I don't have time for this BS. As much as I am tolerant of different people and respect this guy's intelligence I would not want to associate with someone who cannot have the confidence to approach me upfront with conflicts.

Guess who just lost an INTJ friend.

The profile was deleted when I checked. Eh, I'm a free bird.