Cognitive Functions (cleavage featured inside)

[redbaron]

My cognitive functions. Give me insight onto why I score so highly on Te and Fi, and why my Se/Ni are so high compared to why my Fe is so low.

Am I secretly an ENTJ?

Also as promised:

Spoiler

My apologies to any women who feel this objectifies them.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

THAT was edited fast...

Te is OK. Ti > Ne & Te. The real issue is why Fi is higher than Fe. I believe I got similar results in that arena, leading me to believe I'm an ENTP, thus leading my running theory (which I'm sure someone else has already explored) that there are only 8 types, each along a gradient of relative order of cognitive functions.

 

[redbaron]

THAT was edited fast...

Te is OK. Ti > Ne & Te. The real issue is why Fi is higher than Fe. I believe I got similar results in that arena, leading me to believe I'm an ENTP, thus leading my running theory (which I'm sure someone else has already explored) that there are only 8 types, each along a gradient of relative order of cognitive functions.

Interesting, by removing the I/E variable? So for NT temperament simply NTJ and NTP, or ENT/INT if you remove P/J?

Or something else entirely?

 

[Jennywocky]

My apologies to any women who feel this objectifies them.

I simply feel bad mine don't look nearly that impressive.

...But hey, that's life. You should see my sexeh frontal lobes!



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Functions sometimes bunch up like that, I've seen. IOW, your T can spill over. My Te kinda sucked for years, but life made me develop it somewhat in the last five years; so your life experience will knock you from the "normal" distribution, simply out of survival.

As far as Fi... Ti and Fi are both internal judging functions. In one sense, they supplant each other --- either you are operating from distilled impersonal principles or internalized values -- but on the other hand, maybe inside you have trouble separating subjective principles from subjective values and answered the questions in a way that has "bleedover." This isn't a hard science. The test questions and the individual quirks/background/culture of the test taker impact the score; those questions are external triggers trying to "nudge out" an answer from inside, so if they are not precisely aimed for that individual, you might get answers that aren't quite exact.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Interesting, by removing the I/E variable? So for NT temperament simply NTJ and NTP

This^ is closer to the right track.

All the variables would still be used, it's just that I/E would be a dichotomous gradient. I realize this is ambiguous at best, but here goes: Picture the functions of an INTP and ENTP listed in 2 columns, draw lines to connect the same functions to each other as well as the interactive pathways between functions (e.g. NeTi), then visualize those lines becoming strings, those strings being tightened into a knot, and the knot akin to a system, which I'm a fan of visualizing as one of these: http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/08/03/58/80/0008035880805_500X500.jpg

And then picture it as a roller coaster track with the rollercoaster representing your current state of mind. The only difference is that an INTP roller coaster would theoretically run around a different track than an ENTP, but coasters can and do switch tracks with different frequencies, which in turn likely vary by environmental variables, developmental stages, time, etc.

This would theoretically be compatible with other aspects of psychology, each on different tracks like a mini-atom: the autistic, bipolar, and schizophrenic spectra, psychosis, etc.

Keep in mind that this is mostly an operational definition that makes sense in my own head and individuals like Auburn could likely tear this to shreds in the blink of an eye.

 

[Systems]

I wouldn't put a lot of stock on those functions tests.. Indeed, MBTI tests can only take you so far, and often only gives a rough indication of type. In fact, you have to identify your type yourself through reflections on your decisionmaking processes, intake of information and information processing and how those compares to the functions descriptions.

note: I have actually only ever got INTJ on tests (except for the cognitive functions test, which is all over the place), but that haven't stopped me from pondering my type. I've found out that the mbti system is not to be taken as concrete reality, but rather as a metaphor or lens through which we view a real and complex reality. In other words, you learn about mbti, and by consequence yourself and others, through use and practice of analyzing your actions through the framework of cognitive functions.



edit: oh, and great cleavage by the way.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

*Wonders why this thread was the one to pull Systems out of hiding for the first time in months* These types of threads aren't all that rare in these parts... Unexpected.

 

[Meer]

I'm disappointed by the cleavage.

 

[Systems]

*Wonders why this thread was the one to pull Systems out of hiding for the first time in months* These types of threads aren't all that rare in these parts... Unexpected.

Hehe funny that you should notice. I've been close to posting a lot of times in the past few months, but between a lot of work with physics and math, and quite a few frankly very stupid topics, I've held myself back for fear of going into longwinded, pointless arguments. As for why this topic in particular caught my interest I'm not really sure, but I am quite interested in the functions and discussions of how the theory relates to reality.

Oh and I saw on your profile that you and I share a lot of interests. In particular ecology and systems theory. Are you familiar with Systems Dynamics?

 

[PhoenixRising]

May I ask, where did you get those test results? Is there an online test one can take?

 

[intpz]

I haven't done that yellow one yet. What's the link?

 

[snafupants]

I'm disappointed by the cleavage.

I'm disappointed by the comment about the cleavage.

 

[intpz]

I'm disappointed by the comment about the cleavage.

I'm liking your comments more and more... Are you stealing my brain?!

 

[Fukyo]

http://www.keys2cognition.com/explore.htm

 

[EyeSeeCold]

http://i.imgur.com/6rbUn.png

That test isn't really helpful, especially as it lacks context. It calls the functions 'cognitive processes' but all it's testing for is superficial behavior/personality without delving into motivations or other underlying psychological factors.

In my opinion, there are two ways to grasp cognitive functions: (1) Psychological Types Ch. X (2) Derive your own meaning from observing the types, compare how two or more types are psychologically similar with a certain function.

 

[redbaron]

Spoiler

This^ is closer to the right track.

All the variables would still be used, it's just that I/E would be a dichotomous gradient. I realize this is ambiguous at best, but here goes: Picture the functions of an INTP and ENTP listed in 2 columns, draw lines to connect the same functions to each other as well as the interactive pathways between functions (e.g. NeTi), then visualize those lines becoming strings, those strings being tightened into a knot, and the knot akin to a system, which I'm a fan of visualizing as one of these: http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/08/03/58/80/0008035880805_500X500.jpg

And then picture it as a roller coaster track with the rollercoaster representing your current state of mind. The only difference is that an INTP roller coaster would theoretically run around a different track than an ENTP, but coasters can and do switch tracks with different frequencies, which in turn likely vary by environmental variables, developmental stages, time, etc.

This would theoretically be compatible with other aspects of psychology, each on different tracks like a mini-atom: the autistic, bipolar, and schizophrenic spectra, psychosis, etc.

Keep in mind that this is mostly an operational definition that makes sense in my own head and individuals like Auburn could likely tear this to shreds in the blink of an eye.

There is a problem I see with this, which is that EJ and IP are actually closely related. Same with EP and IJ.

To explain, the P/J function is not relevant to your dominant function, but your most dominant extroverted function. So for an INTP, we are labelled as 'P' because our dominant extroverted function is Ne - N/S being perceiving functions. T/F are the judging.

Really, our dominant function of Ti is a J function. And I think it's fair to say that INTP's are in general very serious and structured internally.

So for this reason, I don't really think NTP and NTJ could be very accurate assessments. INTJ, as similar as they seem in functions to an ENTJ, are not as similar as someone might think. How an ENTJ thinks externally is similar to how an INTP thinks internally.

I actually feel as though the current MBTI J/P should be reversed, and based on the actual dominant function for introverts. It is more accurate to call an INTP an INTJ and vice-versa, because it would then reflect more accurately the actual nature of the introverted personality instead of just how they act externally.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

^ Interesting

 

[snafupants]

I'm liking your comments more and more... Are you stealing my brain?!

@intpz

There might be some healthy symbiosis somewhe...back off.

 

[snafupants]

There is a problem I see with this, which is that EJ and IP are actually closely related. Same with EP and IJ.

To explain, the P/J function is not relevant to your dominant function, but your most dominant extroverted function. So for an INTP, we are labelled as 'P' because our dominant extroverted function is Ne - N/S being perceiving functions. T/F are the judging.

Really, our dominant function of Ti is a J function. And I think it's fair to say that INTP's are in general very serious and structured internally.

So for this reason, I don't really think NTP and NTJ could be very accurate assessments. INTJ, as similar as they seem in functions to an ENTJ, are not as similar as someone might think. How an ENTJ thinks externally is similar to how an INTP thinks internally.

I actually feel as though the current MBTI J/P should be reversed, and based on the actual dominant function for introverts. It is more accurate to call an INTP an INTJ and vice-versa, because it would then reflect more accurately the actual nature of the introverted personality instead of just how they act externally.

@redbaron

Doesn't Socionics in some ways make that perceiving/judging flip of the functions to effectively bring the dominant function into harmony with the last MBTI letter?

 

[redbaron]

@redbaron

Doesn't Socionics in some ways make that perceiving/judging flip of the functions to effectively bring the dominant function into harmony with the last MBTI letter?

I'm not familiar with Socionics, does it?

 

[snafupants]

I'm not familiar with Socionics, does it?

@redbaron

Yeah an INTJ (LII) starts with Ti and an INTP (ILI) starts with Ni in Socionics land - the functions mean different things between the two systems though. My understanding of Socionics is cursory because I prefer MBTI and its functions. I studied Socionics for around two weeks.

http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/types/LII-INTj/#Description-of-LIIs-Model-A

 

[redbaron]

@redbaron

Yeah an INTJ (LII) starts with Ti and an INTP (ILI) starts with Ni in Socionics land - the functions mean different things between the two systems though. My understanding of Socionics is cursory because I prefer MBTI and its functions. I studied Socionics for around two weeks.

http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/types/LII-INTj/#Description-of-LIIs-Model-A

Interesting, I'll read through it. At first glance it looks more complicated than MBTI. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

 

[Auburn]

@redbaron - you're on the right track. (:

i'd only advise to keep exploring just as much concrete information as theory, if not a bit more. (by that i mean, critically study the people in your surroundings and how they operate). a million theories of the psyche can be made, and sound coherent within themselves, but the only way to know which is right is if it reflects reality.

also, personalityjunkie's got it more right than most atm - but there is definitely some work to be added/corrected.
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[Base groove]

Fascinating.