Circumcision

[Pyropyro]

Summer is here again so it's time for young boys to start turning into young men through circumcision. Nothing beats gesturing a karate chop and saying "TSAK!" to make the young ones cringe and make their mothers chuckle.

Medical advancement have made the operation rather painless and hygienic so I guess the proving part goes to the post-op recovery. In older times the practice is more ummm... simpler. It involves a blade of unreliable sharpness, thoroughly chewed guava leaves and alcohol (for the medicine man of course).


So anyways how does your culture value circumcision? Do have other rites of manhood in its stead?

 

[Hawkeye]

As a grown man, the thought of having my member bouncing around my boxers unprotected gives me the heebie jeebies. It would be as uncomfortable as fook for a few weeks.

 

[Lot]

Circumcision in the states is more of just a normal thing than a rite of passage. It's a barbaric practice of mutilation that has been normalized. Creating a less sensitive glans.

The full circumcision that is practiced in modern times is not much like the original circumcision that the most peoples did. (or at least as far as I have read, could be totally wrong) It changed in the early 100's. Rabbis were sick of jew hellenizing, and reconstructing their foreskins. Common excuses used, where hygiene, lowering sexual stimulation, and keeping young men from masturbating.

Totally TMI, but fuck it. I'm actually in the process of taking the steps to reconstruct/restore my foreskin. Should take about 2 years to get where I'm trying to get to. Then 3 more to get everything to tighten back up and heal the scaring to my glans.

 

[Pyropyro]

As a grown man, the thought of having my member bouncing around my boxers unprotected gives me the heebie jeebies. It would be as uncomfortable as fook for a few weeks.

Uncomfortable is too tame of a word. I believe it was acceptable to wear your sister's skirts (another reason why its done during the summer) for a few days since you don't want your member hitting anything but air.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Well, one interesting thing about jewish circumcision is that the Rabbi usually sucks the blood off of the fresh wound.
I'm not kidding you.

All in all, i think it's a cultural identity thing that we can't really relate to anyways.

 

[Base groove]

Reduced risk of HPV transmission and developing genital warts in circumcised males. Is it a myth??

 

[kris]

So anyways how does your culture value circumcision?

The popularity of the procedure is in decline. When I was born, (early 80s Canada), it was still believed to be beneficial, so circumcisions on baby boys were pretty routine in hospitals. These days many view the benefits as marginal to negligible. While risk of complications resulting in significant disfiguration or even fatalities is very low, it still seems too high compared to the lack of appreciable gains from the procedure.

Basically, there's a growing view that we're basically just hurting baby boys for no apparent reason. The general medical profession is not, to the best of my knowledge, advocating circumcision, and it may no longer be covered through social health insurance in most regions. Even if the general population is divided on the issue, a lot of people don't care enough to pay to have it done.

In terms of circumcision as a religious practice, that is only observed by a small minority of the population.

Female genital mutilation is categorically illegal, I believe. I don't now if the law will ever step in on male circumcision though. If adults want to have it done, I don't think anyone really cares. Some men have even gone the route of foreskin restoration, which I think is a bit of a con (but again, adults can do what they want with their own bodies as far as I'm concerned).

Do have other rites of manhood in its stead?

Individual cultural subgroups do, but I can't think of any specific customs in the general population. No rites of passage sort of stuff. Some people have traditions around various age-specific legal rights, but I wouldn't really call getting sloppy drunk when you hit legal drinking age a rite.

 

[Pyropyro]

Circumcision in the states is more of just a normal thing than a rite of passage. It's a barbaric practice of mutilation that has been normalized. Creating a less sensitive glans.

That a rather wrong way of practicing it IMO. If it's not used for medical or cultural purposes then it should only be performed if the person is willing to undergo it.

Totally TMI, but fuck it. I'm actually in the process of taking the steps to reconstruct/restore my foreskin. Should take about 2 years to get where I'm trying to get to. Then 3 more to get everything to tighten back up and heal the scaring to my glans.

There's only two types of people that should be concerned with the appearance of your member: You and the person/s you ask to play with it.

 

[Pyropyro]

Spoiler

The popularity of the procedure is in decline. When I was born, (early 80s Canada), it was still believed to be beneficial, so circumcisions on baby boys were pretty routine in hospitals. These days many view the benefits as marginal to negligible. While risk of complications resulting in significant disfiguration or even fatalities is very low, it still seems too high compared to the lack of appreciable gains from the procedure.

Basically, there's a growing view that we're basically just hurting baby boys for no apparent reason. The general medical profession is not, to the best of my knowledge, advocating circumcision, and it may no longer be covered through social health insurance in most regions. Even if the general population is divided on the issue, a lot of people don't care enough to pay to have it done.

In terms of circumcision as a religious practice, that is only observed by a small minority of the population.

Female genital mutilation is categorically illegal, I believe. I don't now if the law will ever step in on male circumcision though. If adults want to have it done, I don't think anyone really cares. Some men have even gone the route of foreskin restoration, which I think is a bit of a con (but again, adults can do what they want with their own bodies as far as I'm concerned).

Why are they doing that to baby boys (barring medical necessity)? That's kind of cruel IMO, they technically can't say anything about it.

Individual cultural subgroups do, but I can't think of any specific customs in the general population. No rites of passage sort of stuff. Some people have traditions around various age-specific legal rights, but I wouldn't really call getting sloppy drunk when you hit legal drinking age a rite.

It may not be a 'proper' rite but that does sounds like fun.

 

[kris]

Why are they doing that to baby boys (barring medical necessity)? That's kind of cruel IMO, they technically can't say anything about it.

It was believed to be beneficial. There were concerns about cleanliness and the risk of urinary tract infection, which has higher risk of happening in infancy in boys.

There is also evidence that circumcision can reduce the risk of HIV infection and HPV. The thing is, there are other ways to address those issues without resorting to circumcision.

You generally don't consult babies on medical procedures. While the medical validity has been questioned in recent times, it was more accepted back in the day. While it does hurt, it happens too early to remember. Some claim the pain has appreciable long term effects... but I dunno about that.

Some people are pretty bitter about the whole thing for a number of reasons, in particular, reasons concerning sex, but I just don't care. Past is the past, and if I don't like it... I've passed my rite of sloppy drunkenness so I can drown it all in rye like a man.

 

[Pyropyro]

Ah the kids have returned from their journey. Apparently the doctors that are doing the free circumcision drive found their members unready for the operation (whatever that means).

Guess they'll just have to endure another school year of teasing.

 

[crippli]

When cutting off human parts from someone who resist, things become more complicated. Mistakes from what one intend can occur due to annoyance.

Cutting another person against their will is probably already taking ones sexual preference too far. If they die from it, it's most likely gone too far.

The main problem I see with using a knife on children, Is that they won't really stand a chance to defend themselves. What is the challenge? The feeling of victory, from what? So to me it's a small minded activity.

 

[Pyropyro]

The main problem I see with using a knife on children, Is that they won't really stand a chance to defend themselves. What is the challenge? The feeling of victory, from what? So to me it's a small minded activity.

I don't think the medical practitioner derives pleasure about it. I think it's more like Macho Masochism for the child to endure more than anything. Kind of like putting your hand in a nest of ants or killing your first lion. Besides, it is usually also the time when girls start their monthly bloodshedding so why shouldn't the boys spill some of their own?

I agree with you. Logically, it is indeed pointless and biologically it doesn't make sense. But I think it's one of the starting points of easing into adulthood (there are many stages of development though before one can truly call himself an adult). I believe that you have already seen how kids annoy the hell out of anybody online since they want to prove themselves and establish their rep on their chosen thread. However, this inability to assert one's manhood has sad repercussion IRL. You either turn into a Nice Guy or an ultra-aggressive man.

 

[redbaron]

I think the decision to circumsize should be restricted to being made by each individual, and only when they reach an age that they can personally understand and consent to the medical procedure if they so choose. The question is how old is appropriate. I think that 21 is a good starting point.

The reason I say such a high number, is that there's no benefit that circumcision uniquely provides - and so the choice of whether or not to have onself circumsized should rest upon the shoulders of the individual.

Same with baptism/christenings I think.

 

[Latte]

If a group of people suddenly demanded being allowed to use the practice of cutting off the pinky finger of their children in a symbolic ritual for formally entering adulthood or a religious community, people would be outraged.

Foreskin is even more useful in life than a pinky finger.

There's frankly no necessity for the amputation of this part of the body when it comes to whatever the socially enforced traditional rituals involving this provide. Those feelings, if desired, can be derived through rituals designed in ways that don't involve amputation.

In a society that doesn't treat children as first and foremost being the property of their family, people who do this to their kids should not be treated much differently than people who would cut off their child's or any other random child's pinky finger or foreskin, if the society is to have somewhat coherent law regarding the protection of individuals.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

I was severely disturbed when I first discovered what exactly infant circumcision was when I was young. It still freaks me out to this day that it is so widely accepted and practised. I hold it in the same regard as female circumcision. If I had been born a man, it would've been my fate; and I would feel nothing less than utterly violated and I never would've forgiven my parents. It's inexcusable, stone age violence that denies people bodily autonomy.

Sadly most of the afflicted and religious would have you believe it is a small matter, not worth minding. I think it's no less than sick and depraved.

 

[Pyropyro]

Reduced risk of HPV transmission and developing genital warts in circumcised males. Is it a myth??

Interesting question. I've done some cursory search about that and it seems that even the experts can't agree.

According to this 2014 paper, MC (male circumcision) is not associated with the incidence and clearance of genital HPV detection, except for certain HPV types. While a 2014 Korean article says lack of circumcision significantly increased the association with high-risk HPV infection in male genital warts.

 

[Base groove]

For every circumcised male that is "outraged" about having his penis cut as a baby there are three uncircumcised/intact males who are a little peeved they have to fervently wash their dicks before anybody gets close to it when it could have been avoided 20 years ago.

 

[Hawkeye]

For every circumcised male that is "outraged" about having his penis cut as a baby there are three uncircumcised/intact males who are a little peeved they have to fervently wash their dicks before anybody gets close to it when it could have been avoided 20 years ago.

You should always wash your winky you filthy, filthy animal!

 

[Base groove]

You should always wash your winky you filthy, filthy animal!

Yeh that's cute and all, but realistically, intact males have to be much more mindful of this. In addition, they are potentially subject to prejudice and ridicule simply for being intact.

It (teasing/ridicule) doesn't matter as much (or happen at all, really) when you're fully grown but it matters/happens a lot when you're a child or teenager. Especially if you're different from dad.

In North America it is honestly about 50% prevalent (more prevalent in US, less in Canada) ... so it contributes to us vs them mentality that precedes bullying and harassment.

This bullying can transition from male on male to female on male or even female on female.

~~ Edit: ~~

Apparently according to Pyropyro the bullying is commonplace and culturally acceptable (at least in the Philippines). Even the adults participate in teasing children about their bodies.

And he gasps about the cruelty of circumcising and infant who will recover very quickly compared to an adult. If a grown man wants a circumcision he can expect 2 months of recovery where he can not masturbate or fuck (or even stand up straight).

 

[Latte]

If one regards it from a societal perspective rather than at an individual case perspective, issues such as being stigmatized are not relevant (such as if one makes it prohibitively illegal to perform on a person before they are capable of informed consent).

I have much more sympathy for the person whose bodily functions were semi-irreversibly limited without choice than for those who need some more time to recover when choosing to do it when they are older.

It's much less difficult to keep a non-circumcised penis clean than it is keeping one's hand clean. The main difference will be that a circumcised penis, when treated in a way that would make a non-circumcised penis become filthy (not washing it after use), has its head dried and to some extent wiped automatically by one's underwear. People who aren't careful or mindful of hygiene can hypothetically be more vulnerable to moisture requiring organisms.

Doesn't seem worth it, though.

I don't think most circumcised people truly know the extent to which their sensory experience would be different, and probably, many don't want to know or try to internally extrapolate or properly imagine. Nor want to have ill feelings against their families, which could follow from this. It's much easier to just see it as a good thing or at minimum an overall neutral thing.

It just shouldn't be decided for people by other people any less than cutting out a large piece of someone's nose or tongue should be decided for people.

 

[Kuu]

We have running water and soaps and medicine, we're not living in the dirt anymore. Cutting foreskin is just retrograde and fucked up.

Circumcision is not regularly practiced in "my culture". I think not even jews do it anymore, only the super orthodox. I'd say less than 1% the population is circumcised.

I've never in my life heard anyone complain about having to clean their penis and wishing they were circumcised...

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

No mention of skin grafts and/or epidemiology?

 

[Base groove]

I've never in my life heard anyone complain about having to clean their penis and wishing they were circumcised...

Apparently you haven't heard any women complain about it either?

~ The chief concern of HPV remains unaddressed. This is borderline straw-man territory as the initial remarks were along the lines of "a little peeved that it requires extra attention".

 

[TimeAsylums]

Apparently you haven't heard any women complain about it either?

/lolwut

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Apparently you haven't heard any women complain about it either?

Desensitization = lasts longer? Makes sense to me.

 

[redbaron]

Also dries out quicker since there's no foreskin to naturally relubricate...I digress.

Getting to what Base Groove said - I've never had or heard of a woman complaining about a penis being one way or the other.

Getting to the actual point that is being made, is that there's no benefit unique to circumcision that it could be deemed important enough to warrant mutilation. The argument of bullying is a weak one, since bullying can also occur irrespective of circumcision - that's to do with bullying, not the issue here.

Things like cleanliness, disease prevention and the like are all perfectly controllable without being circumcised - and as Pyro has highlighted, reliable and/or reproducible information regarding this issue is difficult to come across.

I think the only way circumcision can be justified is if a truly unique benefit can be highlighted. Like if circumcision gave people the ability to speak in cat tongue.

 

[Latte]

Like if circumcision gave people the ability to speak in cat tongue.

Holy shit I'd be so signing up I think maybe.

 

[redbaron]

Vincent might finally accept you =D!

 

[Latte]

Vincent might finally accept you =D!

Or tell me to sod off in a way far more hurtful than usual : (

 

[Jennywocky]

Also dries out quicker since there's no foreskin to naturally relubricate...I digress.

Getting to what Base Groove said - I've never had or heard of a woman complaining about a penis being one way or the other.

Getting to the actual point that is being made, is that there's no benefit unique to circumcision that it could be deemed important enough to warrant mutilation. The argument of bullying is a weak one, since bullying can also occur irrespective of circumcision - that's to do with bullying, not the issue here.

Things like cleanliness, disease prevention and the like are all perfectly controllable without being circumcised - and as Pyro has highlighted, reliable and/or reproducible information regarding this issue is difficult to come across.

I think the only way circumcision can be justified is if a truly unique benefit can be highlighted. Like if circumcision gave people the ability to speak in cat tongue.

You can't speak cat? I thought everyone could do that!

Once I studied the data for US circumcision, with our level of cleanliness, it became pretty apparent to me that circumcision is generally unnecessary here in terms of health issues and doesn't need to be practiced. (You have to look at the actual numbers, not the percentages of increased risk.... it doesn't actually pan out to much at all here.) Unfortunately that came after we had our two sons, or I would have refused the circumcision; I had been misinformed.

I don't know how much it affects pleasure/functionality, but why remove any part of the body needlessly? And that's really a decision for the guy.

As a tangent, it was kind of bizarre the first time I saw an uncircumcised penis -- I was like, "WTH is THAT?" I had no idea what I was looking at, I thought guys were born looking like they do after circumcision. Judeo-Christian culture, yeesh.

 

[Hawkeye]

I can see the point of semi-circumcision where they cut a slit in the foreskin down the length of the head.

This is for men whose foreskin never developed enough elasticity to be pulled back over the head. Win-win in my opinion because you get the benefits of a foreskin this way. The alternative method is to simply go for it and split the foreskin yourself which will hurt and could potentially cause bleeding to death issues.

I dread to think how it feels to snap one's banjo string.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

No, smooth transition here.

 

[deadpixel]

Summer is here again so it's time for young boys to start turning into young men through circumcision. Nothing beats gesturing a karate chop and saying "TSAK!" to make the young ones cringe and make their mothers chuckle.

Medical advancement have made the operation rather painless and hygienic so I guess the proving part goes to the post-op recovery. In older times the practice is more ummm... simpler. It involves a blade of unreliable sharpness, thoroughly chewed guava leaves and alcohol (for the medicine man of course).


So anyways how does your culture value circumcision? Do have other rites of manhood in its stead?

America values it.... from a health respective for the MOST part and nothing more, as far as I know.

 

[BigApplePi]

I can loan out my toenail clipper but you bring the alcohol and bandaids.

 

[BigApplePi]

I'm not sure I want to tell this story but if anyplace this is the thread for it. I got no circumcision at birth. When I arrived at seven years old my penis must have become noticeably sensitive. This is Freud's "phallic stage." (Look it up.) I proceeded to "tinkle" where my parents didn't like it ... like behind my mom's living room chair. My dad was a doctor and my mother a nurse. As brilliant as they were they made the decision! I was seven years old mind you. When the bandages came off I was horrified. I refrained from touching the area again. It would be like scraping one's eyeball or so I thought. I had lots of wet dreams on reaching puberty. Hey mom. Hey dad. Go fuck yourselves. (Yourselves is a more legitimate word than yourself.) I have 24 hours before this message self-destructs.

 

[deadpixel]

Supposedly, sex and masturbation for people who are uncircumcised is more enjoyable than people who are circumcised due to all of the nerve endings that are in the foreskin. I dont really understand this theory though, I mean I could see how that makes sense but I dont understand why it would matter. People who are circumcised don't know what the experience is like, therefore they cannot say that its less enjoyable since its impossible for a circumcised person to make a comparison. Regardless, I wouldn't necessarily call this a good thing when it comes to pleasing your significant other in terms of being able to control your orgasm if this IS indeed the case.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Wet dreams are nothing to be pariclarly ashamed of.

 

[Cherry Cola]

I had a mixed experience being circumcised. It was after a period of suffering an autoimmune permanent skin disease called lichen sclerosis if I recall correctly. I think they did a half assed job because on one side of the dick just around where the shaft ends and that pinkish thing starts there's like an excess amount of skin, not a major excess but enough for a little of it to hang and sag there. This makes my dick uglier than your avg dick, especially when not erect as it then shrinks by at least 60% while the excess skin takes up as much place. Not optimal.

The procedure was cool though. First I got totally jacked up on some pain killer and got very extraverted with the old ladies working on getting my dick ready for mutilation. Then one of the stuck a shot of some painkilling fluid into the area just above where the dick starts. I think she may have a hit a nerve or something because I immediately felt very intense pain. Though it passed almost instantly it made me reflectively cry out some profanities involving satan and the female reproductive organ.

Then some other doctor came and started cutting the dick I felt nothing it was over very quickly he wrapped the dick in bandages after stitching it gave me a recipe so that I could go get painkillers which I could not because I was still drugged from the painkillers used during the operations, apparently I could not go home without an escort either since there was a risk of me passing out.

After brief contemplation I decided to fuck the law (which yet again proved to the be course available): I went and used that recipe for painkillers chugged them and got on the buss, then I looked close on the stitched together dick, it was fucking pathetic how destroyed it was. Then it started hurting as fuck and I soon ran out of painkillers, couldnt walk properly and stopped attending classes because it was embarrasing since you dont do circumcisions in Sweden unless you're a religious nut or you have some weird penile disease like me.

Doing it to babies is def wrong. Goddamn what it is with me and writing extremely long posts about myself. Will stop this immediately, good night.

 

[Jennywocky]

Supposedly, sex and masturbation for people who are uncircumcised is more enjoyable than people who are circumcised due to all of the nerve endings that are in the foreskin. I dont really understand this theory though, I mean I could see how that makes sense but I dont understand why it would matter. People who are circumcised don't know what the experience is like, therefore they cannot say that its less enjoyable since its impossible for a circumcised person to make a comparison. Regardless, I wouldn't necessarily call this a good thing when it comes to pleasing your significant other in terms of being able to control your orgasm if this IS indeed the case.

I guess the only way to tell would be for someone to be uncircumcised in adulthood, then choose to be circumcised, and compare the experiences.

And like you said, guys still seem to have a pretty fast trigger anyway.

I can see the point of semi-circumcision where they cut a slit in the foreskin down the length of the head.

This is for men whose foreskin never developed enough elasticity to be pulled back over the head. Win-win in my opinion because you get the benefits of a foreskin this way. The alternative method is to simply go for it and split the foreskin yourself which will hurt and could potentially cause bleeding to death issues.

I dread to think how it feels to snap one's banjo string.

I gotta say, it made me wince just to read this.
I had never really considered it one of those DIY jobs.

 

[Lot]

Supposedly, sex and masturbation for people who are uncircumcised is more enjoyable than people who are circumcised due to all of the nerve endings that are in the foreskin. I dont really understand this theory though, I mean I could see how that makes sense but I dont understand why it would matter. People who are circumcised don't know what the experience is like, therefore they cannot say that its less enjoyable since its impossible for a circumcised person to make a comparison. Regardless, I wouldn't necessarily call this a good thing when it comes to pleasing your significant other in terms of being able to control your orgasm if this IS indeed the case.

It's mostly the scar tissue that develops on the glans(head) of the penis, that causes the sensitivity problems. Internal organs aren't supposed to be constantly exposed and rubbed against. Also the missing frenulum takes away more nerve cells than the foreskin does.

I'll try not to go into too much detail. The other issues is with with pubic hair growing up the shaft, for those who are a bit longer than the average male. To compensate for the extra length, the body has to borrow tissue from the scrotum and surrounding pubic area. A hairy shaft makes it even less fun to put a condom on. Ugh and the testicles riding higher.

 

[deadpixel]

It's mostly the scar tissue that develops on the glans(head) of the penis, that causes the sensitivity problems. Internal organs aren't supposed to be constantly exposed and rubbed against. Also the missing frenulum takes away more nerve cells than the foreskin does.

I'll try not to go into too much detail. The other issues is with with pubic hair growing up the shaft, for those who are a bit longer than the average male. To compensate for the extra length, the body has to borrow tissue from the scrotum and surrounding pubic area. A hairy shaft makes it even less fun to put a condom on. Ugh and the testicles riding higher.

Hairy shaft... that sounds horrible. I wouldn't wish a sasquatch penis upon my worst enemy.

 

[deadpixel]

I guess the only way to tell would be for someone to be uncircumcised in adulthood, then choose to be circumcised, and compare the experiences.

And like you said, guys still seem to have a pretty fast trigger anyway.



I gotta say, it made me wince just to read this.
I had never really considered it one of those DIY jobs.

You definitely don't need to watch the BME pain olympics videos then, I was tricked into watching it, I dont understand what state of mind one has to be in to do things like that to themselves.

 

[Base groove]

I always laugh at the way the world works. Nobody is ever happy, everybody has a cause to fight for.

Intact males only want to see it disappear. Mutilated males only seem to want to have it back. Here, take mine.

Bullying is so diffuse that it's pointless to mitigate it in specified problem areas??? Bullshit.

Hygiene is a poor excuse to advocate infant circumcision?? Maybe in this day and age, but it's only been this way for 150 years.

Sensitivity of the glans -- Premature ejaculation

Severed frenulum? Try having a slightly injured frenulum. I guarantee you it's worse.

Sore penis from exposure? Try having rug-burn on your prepuce.

Hot day? I don't even want to go there.

HPV .. under your foreskin? Forgetaboutit. You'll want to die.

 

[Thurlor]

I find the whole notion completely baffling and barbaric.

Here in Australia it seems to be a non-issue except in certain migrant communities.

I remember when my nephew was a baby and his father wanted him circumcised because "he wanted him to be the same". My ex's sister also wanted him cut because according to her she didn't want him to grow up ugly and foreskins are a turn off. Luckily the doctor refused to carry out the procedure as there was no medical reason.

As far as I'm concerned all doctors and parents responsible for circumcising children should be charged with gbh and sexual abuse. The fact that usually children are subjected to such practices means there should be no statute of limitations either.

I am so sick and tired of parents thinking they own their children.

Whilst growing up I always thought 'wet dreams' were a myth. I'd never had one and neither had my friends. In fact to this day I've only known 3 guys who admit to having had them and they have all been cut. Yet, they seem to be a common occurrence for the teens of America. I wonder if there is a correlation between circumcision and the likelihood of having 'wet dreams'.

 

[Cavallier]

Summer is here again so it's time for young boys to start turning into young men through circumcision. Nothing beats gesturing a karate chop and saying "TSAK!" to make the young ones cringe and make their mothers chuckle.

Yow! You just said that. Wow.

Reduced risk of HPV transmission and developing genital warts in circumcised males. Is it a myth??

You should always wash your winky you filthy, filthy animal!

Public Service Announcement

Thus the answer to your question is a strong "maybe".

You can keep yourself clean, get a vaccine, and try to avoid sexing everything with legs OR you could get circumcised.

I'm in the group advocating allowing the individual decide.

I wonder about the pleasure of the sexual partner. Is there a noticeable difference for them?

 

[Jennywocky]

Whilst growing up I always thought 'wet dreams' were a myth. I'd never had one and neither had my friends. In fact to this day I've only known 3 guys who admit to having had them and they have all been cut. Yet, they seem to be a common occurrence for the teens of America. I wonder if there is a correlation between circumcision and the likelihood of having 'wet dreams'.

Ironically, in 1879, some guy named HH Kane claimed that circumcision cured nocturnal emissions. Go figure.

 

[Base groove]

I wonder about the pleasure of the sexual partner. Is there a noticeable difference for them?

I have browsed around trying to find an answer to this in the past.

Apparently women are mostly divided into 3 groups

1. Don't care either way

2. Prefer intact males (reasons given were mostly ethical in nature much like the ones provided in this thread) ((sexual reasons given : enhanced lubrication and ease of movement))

3. Prefer circumcised males (apparently a majority opinion)



Chief complaints from group 3 about the foreskin:

- ugly/unsightly
- smell
- saggy/'feels weird' in the hands and mouth


Oh but you asked about pleasure. Well that brings me to the best complaint of all:

"feels like he is masturbating inside of you rather than fucking you"

This experience has been rated as "rather unsatisfactory".

(apparently with or without a condom this phenomenon can occur)

~~

Surprised nobody has mentioned the 99% prevalence of circumcised males in pornography.

 

[Pyropyro]

Yow! You just said that. Wow.

Well I was feeling dickish back then.

 

[Thurlor]

Surprised nobody has mentioned the 99% prevalence of circumcised males in pornography.

I'm unsure that it is so easy to tell with an erect penis, unless the guy has lot's and lots of foreskin.