Cannot stand Kdramas

[BurnedOut]

My main gripe is that women are portrayed as mere playthings to be fucked with, raped and then made to cry. They lack any serious kind of introspecting personalities, frequently get fucked over and over by unsuspecting men and are always portrayed as victims in the film. There is no rhyme or reason to why a Korean woman is so fucked up apart from the shock factor that her ugly makeup makes her look like a sex android to be used throughout the film (I have ranted on botox and why it SUCKS) She is always stuck in a domestic situation or if not is shown to be pondering over excessively on her social life and emotional life - some kind of fucked up victim-mentality mindfulness which evokes nothing but paranoia in the viewer about the tense situation of the women. Imagining a female antagonist is short of a joke in Kdramas because the antagonist's evil is caused by society's fuck-ups. Korean female protagonists do not have any sense of agency, any guiding philosophy, nada nothing. No 'social commentary' from the subject of the social commentary at all. All the commentary is carried out by fuckboi-looking ladyboys with botox and white wall paint plastered on their skin with eyes that look like almond-shaped holes on a white balaclava. Any then the korean industry keeps talking about being heavy in its social commentary.

 

[BurnedOut]

Exhibit one - male and female pancaked lolitas

Exhibit two - the classic male barbie look - unnatural eyes without crows feet and complete lack of wrinkles. Suspected plastic surgery

Exhibit 3 - An actually beautiful korean woman who does not look like a sex bot of 2023

 

[Cognisant]

Ahh you're not a woman, you're a gay man, it all makes perfect sense now.

Yes the female mind is a terrifying place.

My main gripe is that women are portrayed as mere playthings to be fucked with, raped and then made to cry. They lack any serious kind of introspecting personalities, frequently get fucked over and over by unsuspecting men and are always portrayed as victims in the film. There is no rhyme or reason to why a Korean woman is so fucked up apart from the shock factor that her ugly makeup makes her look like a sex android to be used throughout the film (I have ranted on botox and why it SUCKS) She is always stuck in a domestic situation or if not is shown to be pondering over excessively on her social life and emotional life - some kind of fucked up victim-mentality mindfulness which evokes nothing but paranoia in the viewer about the tense situation of the women.

And to think these are shows designed to appeal to women.

Men don't like drama, men like conflict, the resolution of a dramatic situation whereas drama is a conflict without a resolution, and a truly well written narrative strikes a balance between the two thereby appealing to both men and women. Likewise men don't really care about looks, oh sure we're perverts but that's different, women concern themselves with glamour which is more of an abstract ideal, hence the ugly makeup.

Kdramas do not exist to appeal to men, so why is it so toxic and patriarchal?

Because Korean women are hyper conservative and thus being a plaything for toxic men is their equivalent to the libertarian punk rocker and party chicks, it's just an excuse to be a slut. Rather than "I'm a slut because feminism has empowered me to throw off the shackles of patriarchal expectations" it's "I'm a slut because I'm a victim of patriarchal expectations" while actively seeking the kinds of man who will objectify and use them.

By contrast the media designed to appeal to a male audience, the idol and K-pop stuff, puts a lot of pressure on those women to be chaste and single because for a lot of guys that purity and availability (however theoretical) is the appeal, because they don't want a self destructive slut, they want the girl next door, the childhood friend, a relationship that is romantic and wholesome.

Kdrama women are human garbage, a twisted mockery of what a man actually wants, but honestly I'd still hit it if I could.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Not like any women ever had the short end of stick.
But I am glad there are men like you two to protect them from their undoing.
Jokes aside, I don't care about women wearing anything so long as they are wearing for the right reasons.
I admit some make up today looks banging good, some looks like circus show.
Its up to women. The last thing on my list of problems is what women wear.
Kind of like I don't want to wear a dumb suit, I rather die starving than wear 20th century garb that kills my mojo.
As for women being sluts, what the hell does that even mean?

 

[Cognisant]

These days? Nothing, it means absolutely nothing, it's a defunct word, an anachronism from a bygone age.

Kind of like I don't want to wear a dumb suit, I rather die starving than wear 20th century garb that kills my mojo.

You feel embarrassed to wear a suit because you don't wear the suit, the suit wears you, like a peasant wearing a crown it looks out of place.

Wear a suit until you learn how to wear a suit.

 

[ZenRaiden]

These days? Nothing, it means absolutely nothing, it's a defunct word, an anachronism from a bygone age.

Thank God.

You feel embarrassed to wear a suit

No, I feel like scarecrow, I love comfy clothes.

 

[sushi]

that seems like overgeneralization

i dont think all of them are like that, at least ones i have watched.

of course gender equality is decades if not centuries behind the west in eastern societies.

 

[ZenRaiden]

of course gender equality is decades if not centuries behind the west in eastern societies.

Gender equality has always been part of society. Ordinary medieval peasants were equal be they men or women.
Patriach idea came into practice with estates and landlords.
Weddings were not just, putting a ring on it, but they were intermarriage of clans and wealth. Hence all the weird nobel rules about women and sex.
Barbarians less developed societies had equality more frequently because women were seen as asset rather than baby makers.
It was after fall of medieval economy in age of humanity and renaissance and enlightenment that women sought to be equal again. But they were often sidelined.
In some cases in order to become rich and forming a clan intermarriage of families combined wealth.
So why patriarchy idea of head of household existed for instance in 1950s?
Well it was outdate notion that man had to make money and that meant you were affluent and doing well. It was mostly social bias and status virtue signal.
It actually meant nothing in practice. If anything it just meant women were sitting at home and being bored.
Generally idea that women are somehow not equal to men never really existed.
It was just roles women filled in more affluent societies were different.
However it never really gave those societies much upper hand.
Medieval times were brutal and men often died in wars, so good men were in greater demand.
Men were seen as security.
Today men don't provide security for women.
Today men don't provide money for women.
Today the view is what guy I want so I can have a good life.

 

[Black Rose]

Today the view is what guy I want so I can have a good life.

all that comes down to then is physical and mental biology

what kind of guy is the best specimen I can bone?

one that is strong handsome and will not kill my kids.

 

[ZenRaiden]

one that is strong handsome and will not kill my kids.

Some women don't like muscle. I have been told. Not sure if it has to do with daddy issues, like father being a muscle guy and beating them or something?
Just that some women like slim guys.
As for handsome I am not still sure what women find attractive.
I have heard everything. Even bold guys seem attractive to some, and some women like this or that. Some say its got to be personality etc. Whatever that means.
Not killing kids is good. Uga buga.

 

[Black Rose]

Uga buga.

the guy my sister was with recently got physical with her.

she is attracted to all the wrong people and she leaves them all the time.

my niece's father left because he was a jerk also

so I do not know why she likes jerks so much

men who cannot fight will just let the kids die by not defending women

So it is a balance between having a strong man and being a man who will not choke you. That is why women need more social intelligence I suppose than men do.

 

[ZenRaiden]

So it is a balance between having a strong man and being a man who will not choke you. That is why women need more social intelligence I suppose than men do.

Yeah. Strong men are cool, and all. I don't think though women prioritize that.
Honestly even if you could how many times would you get in a fight in your life.
I don't know, maybe women see some value in strength, but social intelligence and ability to solve problems probably account for more success today than muscle.
I am muscle guy type, not because I exercise, just cause thats what nature made me.
Point is muscle is to women like boobs are to men. Some like em big, some like ass.
The natural variation of attraction is probably something we have not figured out.
Lot of the science I read makes no sense with what women and men say though.
Also lot of the science seems to not correlate with what seems to be healthy relationships good life or overall outcomes in life.
Also I don't think having muscles makes me a wife abuser. Just saying you are saying stuff that makes no sense, but I get it, you read the internet. I heard the same bullshit.
I know a guy who was really strong, like scary strong, and if he raised his voice youd shit your pants, but the idea he would hurt a female is zero.
Abusers are not muscular anyway. Many are slim guys with zero fitness.
Testosteron = aggression = abuse is nonsense made by idiot scientists.

However attracting the wrong guys is common for traumatized women.
Because predatory instincts can sniff out traumatized people.
So basically women with healthy boundaries will see abusers right away.
Women with eroded boundaries will not. Since more than 50 percent of females are probably traumatized enough to be blind to this shit, it explains it.

 

[Black Rose]

Point is muscle is to women like boobs are to men. Some like em big, some like ass.
The natural variation of attraction is probably something we have not figured out.

However attracting the wrong guys is common for traumatized women.
Because predatory instincts can sniff out traumatized people.
So basically women with healthy boundaries will see abusers right away.
Women with eroded boundaries will not.

What I mean is that in the wild people who hunt are the good ones to mate with for women but not the ones who are abusers. So muscular guys are the type to be with most times for protection and food. If women today only want a man for the best life possible then it will be for biological reasons based on thousands of years ago what they look like smell like and how they act since you propose money is not the issue.

 

[BurnedOut]

Ahh you're not a woman, you're a gay man, it all makes perfect sense now.

Gay men could not care less about women. They are busy doing things that cause them AIDS by jumping on the rainbow bandwagon. You'd find them to be bigger sluts.

Coming to point. I don't think there's any TV show which exclusively has men only and I certainly don't think nobody likes the protagonist of a show whining like a dumb cunt throughout the runtime. You yourself don't hold back to make fun of whiny people like me and I'd only imagine if your posts turn into outright bullying if I were to post a thread on how my underwears were stolen by the husband of my sister's daughter daily. Hell even I'd join with the gangbanging of such a loser.

 

[sushi]

it seems Burnedout is only talking about romantic rescue dramas, where the male fall in love and rescue the female from a bad siutation.

i think it is there is more variety than that.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I think its pretty stupid to take drama movies or soap opera or both seriously.
Women have emotions and their identity is greatly invested in emotion.
Something men often don't as much.
Man process emotions through action.
Women through relational stuff.
Lots of overlap too, but general trend is man watch dumb horror show or men boxing their brains out. Women watch dumb shit.

As for social narratives. Map is not the territory. Social narratives are often wrong or lopsided or even worse toxic to the mind. Reality is often different.

I mean think about it. Some dude writes a script. Then someone films it.
Now you are bitching about it.

If you want to read something on topic. https://0ducks.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/simulacra-and-simulation-by-jean-baudrillard.pdf

 

[Cognisant]

Oh absolutely men watch dumb shit too and the male mind is equally disturbing in its own special way, just as women have a perverse fascination with drama men are equally fascinated in brutal decisive conflict resolution.

The difference is men will openly admit this and actively suppress it, whereas the very concept of accountability is foreign to most women.

It's why men get blamed for everything, like Kdramas being sexist, despite the glaringly obvious fact that they're written to appeal to their intended audience which clearly isn't men.

 

[ZenRaiden]

What I mean is that in the wild people who hunt are the good ones to mate with for women but not the ones who are abusers. So muscular guys are the type to be with most times for protection and food. If women today only want a man for the best life possible then it will be for biological reasons based on thousands of years ago what they look like smell like and how they act since you propose money is not the issue.

Generally abusers are not one and the same. There are different reasons for abuse sometimes.
Bottom line abuse is result of bad psychology. It goes both ways though.
Personally I don't think the biological science is there yet in ascertaining how attraction works. Lots of biological based theories are actually bunk.
Not that they are wrong, but they tend to draw sweeping generalizations.
Its true that say money matters, but it only matters if you make it matter.

 

[ZenRaiden]

concept of accountability is foreign to most women.

I really don't know if true or not. Personally I would not be surprised if there are such women.

 

[BurnedOut]

it seems Burnedout is only talking about romantic rescue dramas, where the male fall in love and rescue the female from a bad siutation.

Which kdrama is not that?

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

 

[Black Rose]

What I mean is that in the wild people who hunt are the good ones to mate with for women but not the ones who are abusers. So muscular guys are the type to be with most times for protection and food. If women today only want a man for the best life possible then it will be for biological reasons based on thousands of years ago what they look like smell like and how they act since you propose money is not the issue.

Generally abusers are not one and the same. There are different reasons for abuse sometimes.
Bottom line abuse is result of bad psychology. It goes both ways though.
Personally I don't think the biological science is there yet in ascertaining how attraction works. Lots of biological based theories are actually bunk.
Not that they are wrong, but they tend to draw sweeping generalizations.
Its true that say money matters, but it only matters if you make it matter.

Your point was that things that women want as known by common society (money, /security) are not what they want. So other than biological factors what do women want? If they don't need money and they don't need security then biological factors are the only reason left for women to choose men and if not what would they be?

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

 

[ZenRaiden]

biological factors

Can you define a biological factor?

 

[BurnedOut]

biological

The hole where pee pee and poo poo comes out

 

[Black Rose]

biological factors

Can you define a biological factor?

The entire body and psychology of a person.

If you want a mate and you don't care about what they have in terms of materials, what criteria do you go on to choose someone?