Canine Conquest, or lack thereof

[Cavallier]

Re: Bird

Master Puffs has got it right.

I merely meant to point out that you and I often don't understand each other very well. You extrapolate or perhaps infer more emotion, thought, or meaning to what I say than I am actually feeling, thinking, or attempting to elaborate on. I believe I do the same to you.

For example you thought this about my last post: "You're saying that anyone who does not have a 'line' where they get angry are just plain out sensitive and emotional people."

At no point did I say that, intend to say that, or even make any small inference that I might be thinking that. You read more into what I was saying than was actually there.

We have a difficult time understanding each other. That's all. This thread helped me to make this realization.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

I think this is what Cavalier means by misinterpret....

Well I must be oblivious then, because I don't understand what you mean either.

 

[Words]

Re: Bird

Master Puffs has got it right.

I merely meant to point out that you and I often don't understand each other very well. You extrapolate or perhaps infer more emotion, thought, or meaning to what I say than I am actually feeling, thinking, or attempting to elaborate on. I believe I do the same to you.

I have the same issue with Lobster, my mom and some oneelse. Could you elaborate on this new understanding? If a person keeps inferring things that are not there, how then do you communicate with that person?

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

Master Puffs has got it right.

I merely meant to point out that you and I often don't understand each other very well. You extrapolate or perhaps infer more emotion, thought, or meaning to what I say than I am actually feeling, thinking, or attempting to elaborate on. I believe I do the same to you.

For example you thought this about my last post: "You're saying that anyone who does not have a 'line' where they get angry are just plain out sensitive and emotional people." At no point did I say that, intend to say that, or even make any small inference that I might be thinking that. You read more into what I was saying than was actually there.

True, my bad. I blame it on being accused of being anything but INTP all day. It's so easy.. To blame something else.

Really though, you're right. When you mention it I can see that I do so often. But I don't think there's a problem in me doing so. You hold an opinion and when you decide to make your opinion public you have to acknowlegde that anyone can take anything from it. (I know you've never said you didn't acknoweldge it. I'm just stating it.)

We have a difficult time understanding each other. That's all. This thread helped me to make this realization.

I guess we do. I'm curious if you have some example, because I don't remember you and I in particular having problemts understanding each other.

 

[Awaken]

Re: Bird

I wish I had a popcorn emoticon.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

I have the same issue with Lobster, my mom and some oneelse. Could you elaborate on this new understanding? If a person keeps inferring things that are not there, how then do you communicate with that person?

I don't think I extrapolate to be honest. Even though I agreed with Cava. I think "to bring something in that's not there" is very vague. ANYTHING's there. When you say something, expect whatever.

 

[MissBadHabits]

Re: Bird

What is up with these personal threads between members...

I'm not sure but it's pretty ridiculous. Most of the time, especially on the internet, people are trolling you. You gotta learn to roll with the troll dude.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Re: Bird

When you say something, expect whatever.

Well that doesn't give me much motivation to say anything ever....

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

Well that doesn't give me much motivation to say anything ever....

That's not something you can expect that person to care about. It's essentially your problem, you're the one who's getting demotivated by it, no?

EDIT: Also, how is it demotivating to you that you could potentially get anything? How is that not interesting? How does it not make you even more curious?

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

I'm not sure but it's pretty ridiculous. Most of the time, especially on the internet, people are trolling you. You gotta learn to roll with the troll dude.

I absolutely agree! But theres a point where It's not just trolling. And it's not just trolling when the I've spent here could potentially be ruined by people believing what is being "trolled onto me"

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

I wish I had a popcorn emoticon.

That joke would have been funny if it was posted right after I made this thread. The balloon's kind of empty at this point, don't you think? =)

 

[Minuend]

Re: Bird

I wish I had a popcorn emoticon.

Here you go

Though, personally I never liked the popcorn smiley.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Re: Bird

Because when you say something "anything" is not there. What is there is what you put there. So if people are seeing things that I didn't put there, then I don't have much of a reason to say anything do I?

 

[Awaken]

Re: Bird

I was recently in a conversation with a forum member about members we dislike on the forum. I said nobody, except that obnoxious kid CoryJames. ???? said Lobstrich, and I was surprised. Now, I see exactly why.

Why thank you Minuend.

 

[Words]

Re: Bird

I don't think I extrapolate to be honest. Even though I agreed with Cava. I think "to bring something in that's not there" is very vague. ANYTHING's there. When you say something, expect whatever.

Mathematics is best in precise language, so let's consider: 1 + 1 = 2. When someone tells me this, I won't hear something about love, intelligence or 1 + 1 = 3. I hear 1 + 1 = 2. If I go beyond the literal, then what's the point in language and communication? Nobody would understand each other, at least in a complete sense.

That's not something you can expect that person to care about. It's essentially your problem, you're the one who's getting demotivated by it, no?

EDIT: Also, how is it demotivating to you that you could potentially get anything? How is that not interesting? How does it not make you even more curious?

Why? Because it removes order. There won't be any product to the discussion if interpretations are too scattered. The relevance of 1 as oppose to 2 would disappear. No distinction from differing objects.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

Because when you say something "anything" is not there. What is there is what you put there. So if people are seeing things that I didn't put there, then I don't have much of a reason to say anything do I?

I never said people will say anything. I said you should expect it. Because people can say anything.

But I'd still think you had reason to say a lot of things even if you you knew the person you were talking to was going to saying "anything" I know a person who's almost incapable of having a conversation on a fixed topic. He will bring in anything. And it makes for a surprisingly refreshing experience.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

I was recently in a conversation with a forum member about members we dislike on the forum. I said nobody, except that obnoxious kid CoryJames. ???? said Lobstrich, and I was surprised. Now, I see exactly why.

Why thank you Minuend.

Lol.

But why though? Why exactly do you see why I am annoying?

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

Mathematics is best in precise language, so let's consider: 1 + 1 = 2. When someone tells me this, I won't hear something about love, intelligence or 1 + 1 = 3. I hear 1 + 1 = 2. If I go beyond the literal, then what's the point in language and communication? Nobody would understand each other, at least in a complete sense.



Why? Because it removes order. There won't be any product to the discussion if interpretations are too scattered. The relevance of 1 as oppose to 2 would disappear. No distinction from differing objects.

No, I agree with you. If we want to have a conversation we have to get to some kind of agreement about what the topic is. If we're

Like I said in a reply to Puffs "I never said people will say anything. I said you should expect it. Because people can say anything.

But I'd still think you had reason to say a lot of things even if you you knew the person you were talking to was going to saying "anything" I know a person who's almost incapable of having a conversation on a fixed topic. He will bring in anything. And it makes for a surprisingly refreshing experience."

 

[Words]

Re: Bird

But I'd still think you had reason to say a lot of things even if you you knew the person you were talking to was going to saying "anything" I know a person who's almost incapable of having a conversation on a fixed topic. He will bring in anything. And it makes for a surprisingly refreshing experience."

I guess that's a good point. Though, personally, I'd prefer 70% production and only 30% random information. I think there's more meaning to order than meaning itself.

EDIT: Then again, misinterpretation leads to conflict and possibly wars. I don't think that's such a positive.

 

[Awaken]

Re: Bird

Because you seem like someone with way too much emotional baggage, which frequently comes out in your posts. I, personally, do not tend to get along with such people.

Have you ever tried weed? I think it will help a lot. Just chillax and roll with the punches. Do you think there is a reason Bird trolls the hell out of you? It is because of how you react. It is a source of immense entertainment.

Take a step back and look at how ridiculous the premise of this thread was in the first place, have a little laugh, then let it go. Why go on such tirades for so long?


That being said, I still dont dislike you or think you are annoying.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

I guess that's a good point. Though, personally, I'd prefer 70% production and only 30% random information. I think there's more meaning to order than meaning itself.

I'd side with what you prefer. It is annoying to have a conversation with him when I'm trying to debate a point.

EDIT: Then again, misinterpretation leads to conflict and possibly wars. I don't think that's such a positive.

I agree. Conflict is good though.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Re: Bird

I never said people will say anything. I said you should expect it. Because people can say anything.

But I'd still think you had reason to say a lot of things even if you you knew the person you were talking to was going to saying "anything" I know a person who's almost incapable of having a conversation on a fixed topic. He will bring in anything. And it makes for a surprisingly refreshing experience.

I didn't say people would say anything either. I was saying that when I say something I'm not saying "anything"

"I think "to bring something in that's not there" is very vague. ANYTHING's there."

^No it isn't. What's said is said. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[AlisaD]

Re: Bird

Do you have a crush on Bird?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Re: Bird

This is directed directly to Bird as she is not on the forums Skype chat and because I think she's put be on her ignore list as I can't give her any VMs (will she even see this thread then?)

Either way. I've been told when I logged onto Skype that you had removed me from the Skype chat right after having accused me of saying that "I wanted to fuck your dog"

Troll or not, you still were removed, right? What about that?

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

Because you seem like someone with way too much emotional baggage

I probably do, yes. Don't we all though? Hehe.
Baggage though? As in emotional things that have yet to be released? Or do you mean baggage as in just things that's happened and been dealt with but are still hanging around, like they always will?

I, personally, do not tend to get along with such people.

That's your choice and not something I can argue with.

Have you ever tried weed? I think it will help a lot. Just chillax and roll with the punches. Do you think there is a reason Bird trolls the hell out of you? It is because of how you react. It is a source of immense entertainment.

I've not tried weed. But I intend to at some point. I want to smoke "pot" though. I want to get high not stoned.
And you think Bird is trolling. I don't think she is. I think she's manipulative and deceitful.
Besides, like I said already. I I don't think it's trolling when it's something that could potentially hurt my image (even more than it already is, lol) and thus hurting the possibilities of me getting any good conversations on this forum. I thought what she did had the potential to do this so I had to make sure people did not believe it.

Take a step back and look at how ridiculous the premise of this thread was in the first place, have a little laugh, then let it go. Why go on such tirades for so long?

But we're not even talking about the premise of this thread now, are we? We're talking about something else. And like I've said in my reply to Bird; I realise that I might have lashed out a little too much. But that doesn't change the fact that I was extremely angry at the time and that I had to make sure people did not believe what she had said. Crazy as her "joke" might have been, some people will believe it. People are gullible. And for this reason I don't think the premise of this thread was ridiculous.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

Troll or not, you still were removed, right? What about that?

What do you mean? I certaintly think it makes a difference myself. Why troll someone who's not there, in the chat. And hasn't been for at least 2 weeks (and wasn't going to find out until at week later) and why then kick that same person from a room he is not in.. Only further proves my point that it was not "trolling"

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

Do you have a crush on Bird?

I do not, no. Do you?

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

"I think "to bring something in that's not there" is very vague. ANYTHING's there."

^No it isn't. What's said is said. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yep. I fail to see how I'm claiming the opposite by calling something you said, vague, though.

 

[Awaken]

Re: Bird

I cannot speak for everyone, nor am I trying to change who you are. Just giving the perspective of an outside observer. I get it, you rationalized to yourself that it was a good idea to post this thread. You are your own person, do what you gotta do. All Im saying is, removed from the situation, it is absolutely ridiculous.

Yes, we all have emotional baggage, the difference is in how one deals with it. Do you honestly believe that people would not talk to you on the forum because they think you want to fuck Bird's dog?(she doesnt even have a dog). I took the liberty of seeing how old you are. I hope this does not come across as offensive, but you are only 19. Life will get much harder and you will run into a lot of people that get under your skin. Learn now how to deal with it, and relations with others will go a lot more smoothly.

To be blunt, you go on tirades. One only has to look at the CoryJames banning thread to come to this conclusion. I imagine people would be more hesitant to interact with you on the basis of these tirades than this nonsensical bestiality. Dont make it you against the world, or you against the forum. It will only cause undue stress in your life.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Re: Bird

Yep. I fail to see how I'm claiming the opposite by calling something you said, vague, though.

You didn't say anything of mine is vague. You said that the description of what you are doing (bringing something that isn't there) is vague. Then you said that "ANYTHING" is there (there being what someone says and anything being random meanings/extrapolations). And ANYTHING is *not* there. I'm saying what's said is said.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

You didn't say anything of mine is vague. You said that the description of what you are doing (bringing something that isn't there) is vague. Then you said that "ANYTHING" is there (there being what someone says and anything being random meanings/extrapolations). And ANYTHING is *not* there. I'm saying what's said is said.

I don't understand this right now. It's way too cryptic. I've not slept for at least 26 hours by now so I'll go to bed now, come back and hopefully I'll ve able to give you a proper reply =/

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Re: Bird

And you think Bird is trolling. I don't think she is. I think she's manipulative and deceitful.
Besides, like I said already. I I don't think it's trolling when it's something that could potentially hurt my image (even more than it already is, lol) and thus hurting the possibilities of me getting any good conversations on this forum. I thought what she did had the potential to do this so I had to make sure people did not believe it.

This place is pretty open minded, I don't think you would be ostracized so easily. Well, at least I know I wouldn't jump to assumptions and cut off contact like that from any one here. Hopefully the problem can be solved, but regardless, I think you're still in good favor here. I do think this thread is a little too much though, maybe not what you planned or did not expect.

What do you mean? I certaintly think it makes a difference myself. Why troll someone who's not there, in the chat. And hasn't been for at least 2 weeks (and wasn't going to find out until at week later) and why then kick that same person from a room he is not in.. Only further proves my point that it was not "trolling"

Probably wasn't. The atmosphere of this thread is too thick though to elaborate on this. Perhaps another thread?

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

If I had a thread dedicated to me, I would sure hope it was better than this one.

Lol.. That is all.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

I cannot speak for everyone, nor am I trying to change who you are. Just giving the perspective of an outside observer. I get it, you rationalized to yourself that it was a good idea to post this thread. You are your own person, do what you gotta do. All Im saying is, removed from the situation, it is absolutely ridiculous.

"removed from the situation" anything removed from all context is ridiculous. I still fail to see how my actions are ridiculous though. I will admit (and have realised from the beginning) that I lack the patience that some others on this forum do. It's difficult for me to "roll with the troll" or however it was put. Especially when it came to this point. Not so much because of bestiality (which is actually legal in my country) because I accept that we all have different 'tastes' I really want to meet a zoophilic (I guess that's the word?) person. Because to my understanding they are genuinly in love with the animal, which is interesting to me. My point is that I did not lash out because of the beastiality, I don't really care about that. I lashed out because (like I've said several times by now) I did not want to potentially alienate even more people than I have already done myself. People who are not okay with zoophilia and might completely cut me off in the light of what Bird claimed me to be.

Yes, we all have emotional baggage, the difference is in how one deals with it. Do you honestly believe that people would not talk to you on the forum because they think you want to fuck Bird's dog?(she doesnt even have a dog). I took the liberty of seeing how old you are. I hope this does not come across as offensive, but you are only 19. Life will get much harder and you will run into a lot of people that get under your skin. Learn now how to deal with it, and relations with others will go a lot more smoothly.

No, I did not honestly believe it. I believed that there is a potential for people not wanting to talk with me. Hence I've said "potentially aliante" every single time I brought it up.

Why would I be offended by you checking my age? I did after all, put it on my profile.
And yes, I know there's still a long road ahead, trust me. But what people are getting from this thread (and the CoryJames thread as well, like you mentioned) are snippets of what I am. It's coincidence that things like these happen. They are things I am rigid about. Just like EVERY person has something they are rigid/defensive/emotional/'tirading' about. And what has happened to me is that the things I'm am rigid about have been brought up. I react. And now people have this naive belief that it's the way I am. As if I am this towards every damn topic.

Now it's my turn to ask you(a plural, you. Not only you) Do you honestly thing I am this emotional about EVERY topic? It seems to me like a lot of you do as many people are judging me. Many think I'm annoying. But they still don't know me. I doubt anyone on this forum truly knows anyone else on this forum.

To be blunt, you go on tirades. One only has to look at the CoryJames banning thread to come to this conclusion. I imagine people would be more hesitant to interact with you on the basis of these tirades than this nonsensical bestiality. Dont make it you against the world, or you against the forum. It will only cause undue stress in your life.

I still believe in what I said in that thread. I don't understand why he was banned. And I don't care if this forum is not a fucking democracy. That's off topic though.

I never intended for this to be a Me vs. X though. I don't know where you get the idea that that is what I'm doing.


Also. I want to tell you that I really appreciate your(anyone's) perspective. "Just giving the perspective of an outside observer" so you do not need to excuse it, at all. perspective, feedback and differing opinions are some of the things I treasure most in this world.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

This place is pretty open minded, I don't think you would be ostracized so easily. Well, at least I know I wouldn't jump to assumptions and cut off contact like that from any one here. Hopefully the problem can be solved, but regardless, I think you're still in good favor here. I do think this thread is a little too much though, maybe not what you planned or did not expect.

No, like I said to Awaken. don't think everyone would believe it and I would be banned from the forum. But like I've now explained many many times, lol. I said that could potentially happen. And I did not want that to happen, so I reacted before it happened, I guess.
I'm in good favour? On this forum? Lol, that surprises me.
But yes, maybe the thread was too much. I only made it because I had no other means of contacted bird at the time. And no, I did not expect it to develop into this. I expected it to developing into what It was in the beginning (People making jokes) and then Bird replying. And that's about it.
But I like what it's developed into now. I'm learning from the conversation I'm having now, like I do with most conversations.
I agree though, I could probably have handled it in a less... Attacking, manner. But I've already 'admitted' to lacking such patience/perseverance.

Probably wasn't. The atmosphere of this thread is too thick though to elaborate on this. Perhaps another thread?

I don't see how making another thread would be a good idea, that would only be pouring gasolin on the fire, would it not? If you want to elaborate in a PM or VM I'd really appreciate it, as I'm still curious!

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Re: Bird

look at dat lobstrich, snappin his clawz, layin dem big ol eggs. why its been some number a yeaers since i seen one of dem out here, i thought theyd all gone extinct he exclaimed fitfully

 

[Words]

Re: Bird

I agree. Conflict is good though.

Why do you think it's good?

 

[Fallenman]

Re: Bird

Oh my. Quite a thread . I actually agree with a lot of the observations though, I've never actually entered into a conversation with you because I don't think I should like the outcome (except perhaps in victory). You get too passionate too quickly about a way too wide variety of topics, and its rather unsettling.

Essentially, relax, don't take everything so seriously, every conversation isn't an attempt to prove a point or win an argument, nor is it appreciated when it is done a bit too frequently.

You go on tirades.

It's a bit much.

Take a lemon, I hear life is giving them out like candy.

 

[warryer]

Re: Bird

Keep fighting the good fight Lobstrich. If the smell of shit gets to you, then plug your nose or buy a gas mask.

 

[Puffy]

Re: Bird

YO.

You should totally go fuck her dog.

 

[EditorOne]

Re: Bird

Well, I sometimes annoy people by using emoticons, but it is one way to help avoid misunderstandings. The pure written word, especially off-the-top-of-the-head written word, does not lend itself to the depth and texture of communication you get in a real conversation. Even among us, we who are not all that good with seeing emotions correctly. It's pretty hard to mistake the difference between words said with malice when anger is visible, and words said when there's a smile with them.

And sarcasm online just sails right over most people's heads and you're left with some words that seem to link you to a thought you were ridiculing. That doesn't have anything to do with this thread, just thought I'd throw it in. Off the top of my head.

 

[SkyWalker]

Re: Bird

So you guys are all on Skype conference calls? Talking about animal sex? Without me??? Invite me too!

 

[Chimera]

Re: Bird

So there was this bird who annoyed a lobster about a dog...

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[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

Why do you think it's good?

It creates creativity. When you my opinion/view/understanding of something/attitude/whatever (thesis) gets challenged by your opinion/etc. (antithesis) Or vice versa. We are both forced to thinking in ways we've not thought before and ideally that should give you a "synthesis" i higher mean of sorts. It sounds a little cheesy, but if you're open minded debating can really give you that outcome... You learn.

And this is why I love so much to debate (or argue as many people see it) with everyone. Most I know or meet take it as an insult, that I'm going against what they say, as if I think I know better than them. But actually it's more of a compliment. I'm saying that "I think I can learn from you" Because I'm trying to get a "synthesis" with that person.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

Oh my. Quite a thread . I actually agree with a lot of the observations though, I've never actually entered into a conversation with you because I don't think I should like the outcome (except perhaps in victory). You get too passionate too quickly about a way too wide variety of topics, and its rather unsettling.

Essentially, relax, don't take everything so seriously, every conversation isn't an attempt to prove a point or win an argument, nor is it appreciated when it is done a bit too frequently.

You go on tirades.

It's a bit much.

Take a lemon, I hear life is giving them out like candy.

I can and will admit that I sometimes am "a bit too much" that I often take things serious when they are meant as a joke (but I will repeat that I do not think Bird intended it as a joke. I frankly think she intended exactly this to happen. For me to snap and make a joke of myself and then play the victim) like you said. I should loosen up, I know. And that is something I acknowledge that I need to work on. Whereas I could just as easily say that you guys should get your shit together and not complain that someone is "too passionate" But I don't.. Mainly because I like when people are different. I like conflict. But also because I'm accepting you for what you are. I'm accepting that you are "loose" and that you are not very passionate about a lot of things (even though I have no doubts that if we get into the 'right' topic you will get as passionate as I have been) I know I'm getting a little self-rightheous but you get my point.

Spoiler

I hope! Hehe

But, I completely fail to see how being too passionate about something is a flaw.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

Keep fighting the good fight Lobstrich. If the smell of shit gets to you, then plug your nose or buy a gas mask.

I'm not smelling shit as of now. But what I am smelling is a little hint of... Sarcasm? I don't know.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

Well, I sometimes annoy people by using emoticons, but it is one way to help avoid misunderstandings. The pure written word, especially off-the-top-of-the-head written word, does not lend itself to the depth and texture of communication you get in a real conversation. Even among us, we who are not all that good with seeing emotions correctly. It's pretty hard to mistake the difference between words said with malice when anger is visible, and words said when there's a smile with them.

And sarcasm online just sails right over most people's heads and you're left with some words that seem to link you to a thought you were ridiculing. That doesn't have anything to do with this thread, just thought I'd throw it in. Off the top of my head.

Exactly! I don't know what this has to do with the topic of "me vs. bird" but I completely agree with you anyway, hehe.

 

[Fallenman]

Re: Bird

What I meant by passionate is when you lead with your feelings and get defensive, or accusatory.

 

[Lobstrich]

Re: Bird

What I meant by passionate is when you lead with your feelings and get defensive, or accusatory.

I'd disagree. And I'd also refer to what I also say. You do without a doubt have things that you are "passionate" about. We all do. It just so happens that I do not like it when people say I want to fuck their dogs behind my back. I respect people who can ignore that. But I can't. You do without a doubt have things you can't ignore as well (Where you lead with feelings) You *must* be irrational and an ENFP! <_< If you want a more elaborate reply go read a post I just made to Puffy in the "Proxy's a Fraud" thread. It's a little out of context for you but It's about exactly this about me being "irrational"

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Re: Bird

So you guys are all on Skype conference calls? Talking about animal sex? Without me??? Invite me too!

Sometimes we even watch horseporn together on Google+.

It's a party.