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Ghost1986

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i have been instructed to learn meditation in order to help control emotions. yet i find it hard to sit in one place for 30 minutes. the longest ive went was 10 minutes and most of that time my mind was daydreaming. ive been trying for 3 weeks now. when i tr to meditate,it feels like i have ADD.my brain wont shut up.

any how, what about you?
 
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how would it help, i am stressed as fuck at the moment
 

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i have done meditation in the past, very informal and sometimes even on accident i've gone into long and deep meditative states. but when you are actually trying to meditate it is much harder. practice really makes a difference here, and it definitely gets easier over time.

also are you trying to meditate on nothing, or on a subject? meditating on nothing is much more difficult, though being an intp sometimes it is hard to stay on subject also.
 

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I have also tried meditation, unsuccesfully, for the most part (not with any huge amount of discipline). I'm not exactly sure what you're seeking here, but I can tell you what was suggested to me, it might help you. Every time you have a thought or feeling, while trying to clear your mind, take the thought or feeling and focus on it while imagining yourself blowing up a balloon. Imagine that you are blowing that thought into a balloon until it is full, but does not pop (I think the breathing is an important element, too). Then release it and watch it float up until it disappears. Do this until you noitice a moment (no matter how slight) of thoughtlessness or peace, if you will. And, supposedly, over time, this gets easier and the stillness will be more prevalent. This method is actually in a book somewhere. I only got this much from another source.

I found a link to a book that I think might more fully and accurately explain this method (I probably would have gotten better results if I had sought out the source).
http://books.google.com/books?id=Wv...a=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1

In case this link doesn't work: Book Title: "Tan Tien Chi Kung", but you could google "balloon meditation" and probably get other sources as well.

It's also been suggested that I take a paper and pen while trying to meditate, and write a word or very brief statement about whatever comes into my mind that might distract me, so that I can get back to thinking on that later, if I want to, and let it go for the moment. I've also heard that practice makes perfect. Very hard when results are slim to nothing in the immediate. Perhaps, some motivational suggestions for keeping at it are in order?

In the spirit of what dwag says about meditating on something rather than clearing one's mind; isn't meditation actually study? So, and I've been thinking about this on and off for a while, but what if meditating upon a certain something, much like we kind of do anyway, but getting more focused by finding ways to minimize our tendency to chasing rabbits... (I don't know, I just love chasing rabbits). I'm not much help from here, I think. Great fortune to you!
 
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Yeah I have also tried to meditate. I have been told that meditation should not be a chore or a hassle. You should start out by only meditating for about 10 minutes and gradually increase the amount of time you meditate.

And ok, this may seem like some really stupid advice but if you really find it hard to clear your mind then........try getting high first. It helped me.
 

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I've been trying to meditate every now and then recently. Maybe I take a different approach because I don't feel any frustration or failure with daydreaming or just thinking about the problems you have. Particularly the latter, I think we need to spend a fair amount of time processing what happens to us. Dedicated thinking is the best way to get through that processing. When you've finished with that maybe you can move on to the proper states of mind which are meditating.

(If it isn't clear, I don't know a thing about the formal theories of meditation...)
 

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how would it help, i am stressed as fuck at the moment

getting you mind off things for an extended period may help. it would not be good for a person to snap. an unstable person is dangerous, but the controlled person is deadly. i dont know about other INTPS but i supprress my emotions so much that when i snap, may god save those around me if i have a weapon.


i have done meditation in the past, very informal and sometimes even on accident i've gone into long and deep meditative states. but when you are actually trying to meditate it is much harder. practice really makes a difference here, and it definitely gets easier over time.

also are you trying to meditate on nothing, or on a subject? meditating on nothing is much more difficult, though being an intp sometimes it is hard to stay on subject also.


i have been closing my eyes and just concentrating on my breathing.
i got some videos from http://www.seattleinsight.org/teachertalks.aspx?id=1



Yeah I have also tried to meditate. I have been told that meditation should not be a chore or a hassle. You should start out by only meditating for about 10 minutes and gradually increase the amount of time you meditate.

And ok, this may seem like some really stupid advice but if you really find it hard to clear your mind then........try getting high first. It helped me.

iam not doing drugs. i have had so many medical problems that iam sick and tired of injecting, consuming and breating in chemicals. iam even starting to hate food. other than the medical issue, iam not as much aginst drugs asother people. coke, weed, shromes are in my opinion ok because they come from natural products.
 

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If you go to the Philosophy, Religion and Science section, you'll find a thread (Chakras) about 20 down the list that no one picked up on - (wrong title , I guess)

I did not paste it here cause it's got a link in it . There is actually a nice short visually stimulating series that can be used for Meditation on youtube... there's also about a million videos on youtube that combine sound and sights to facilitate meditative trance states...


I create mandalas for mediation, just stare at one of the ones below. You won't see 'anything' until you relax and quit trying so hard to focus - do not entertain the unconscious goal of 'needing to focus'

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Like someone else said, work up to a longer time. Start with even just five minutes. I find focusing on my breathing to be helpful. I also like to do yoga and find that I am incredibly relaxed afterward and meditating much easier then as I am already focused. Though yoga itself can be considered meditation.
 

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I agree very simple breathing exercises can accomplish a great deal. I mean - how often do people in this modern world actually pay attention to their breathing or listen to the sound of their own hearts beating? Such focus on simple easily obtained goals such as controlling one's own breathing can be both re-assuring and relaxing...
 

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med⋅i⋅tate
–verb (used without object)
1. to engage in thought or contemplation; reflect.
2. to engage in transcendental meditation, devout religious contemplation, or quiescent spiritual introspection.
–verb (used with object)
3. to consider as something to be done or effected; intend; purpose: to meditate revenge.
from dictionary.com
To engage in thought, to not think about anything. Funny how a word can have seemingly opposing meanings.
 

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the meditation you are talking about, simply focusing on your breathing, is a fine place to start.

you actually have the ability to shift your consciousness, almost instantly and in a near infinite amount of ways. for instance, you can be completely focused on your own thoughts. most intp's are inclined toward this focus, though normally no one is completely focused on any one thing. you can also be completely focused in your senses. this often happens if a dish falls and breaks, and in that sudden instant you are completely focused on the sensual world in order to take in as much information as possible in order to assess the danger (or more simply tring to figure out what the sound is). these are only two areas the consciousness can focus on, and they lie on the ends of a continuum between which your consciousness can focus whereever it pleases.

there are also the focus points where you are in a daze, just staring off into space.

a meditative state usually arises whenever you can completely enter into complete focus, or perhaps we could say meditative points, on any one end of the spectrum along which consciousness can move.

when you are focusing on your breathing you are trying to enter that focus point where your consciousness is only aware of your body. you are not aware of anythoughts in your head, in fact it will feel subjectively as though you don't even know what it means to be in the mind. everything that exists will be your body, lying or sitting or whatever, breathing, heart beating. when you reach this state, you are meditating.

you can of course also meditate by entering completely into thought and completely forgeting the external world.

there is also transcendental meditation, or spiritual meditation, where you focus upon nothing. well somepeople focus on nothing, such as the budhists. i never have very profound meditations when i focus on nothing. my strongest meditative states have came when i try to focus on God. it is sort of like focusing on nothing because we have no real concept of God, but it is a nothingness that is focused upward, or outward, or toward a higher spiritual being. hard to explain. this is the most difficult meditation. if you say to yourself, i am going to think about nothing, and then you immediately set out to do it, then at least for a time, no matter how short, you will be thinking about nothing. but outside thoughts will creep in easily. meditation is learning how to extend the time when you are thinking about nothing. eventually you will learn to focus completely on the nothing, just as above you were completely focused in your body, or in your mind. this is actually just the beginning stage of spiritual meditation. there are many levels which you can rise up to in such a meditative state that equals different levels of illumination, or transcendence. the first few levels sort of feel like just having a general sense of wonderment, but the wonderment is all you know. as the level and the intensity of the meditative state rises the wonder becomes absolute awe. at the highest level (at least the highest level i know of, i can't really imagine a higher level) feels as though you are suddenly capable of contemplating infinity. this is really difficult to explain, but this is experience can be very profound and life changing. i will admit that i have had this level of meditation a few times, probably three or four, and all of these were fairly close together except one. i can honestly say each experience altered who i was as a person. some people will become mystics and they will continue to have these experiences throughout their life. mine seemed to come for a time but i have not been able to reproduce them for a long time.

well i really rambled on there, but maybe this will help.
 

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I understand what you are trying to say with the "focused on Nothing" phrase. Usually we focus on potential threats to the equilibrium, instead of focusing on the equilibrium. When one can 'step back' from the usual state of mind and become relaxed in both body and mind, neat things can occur - as long as you not actively 'Looking' for them to occur.

In stead of focusing on a tree in the usual manner relax, don't focus on the tree, allow it to exist in your field of vision, if you are fortunate, eventually, 'tree' will disappear and be replaced in an instant with ten thousand dancing leaves...
 
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