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Adaire put the Basic Observation card

Cavalli's Dark Wizard loses all hitpoints

Cavalli must now remove all of his yogih cards

(if you want to read a real and on topic joke you may swap "Dark Wizard" for "Covert Sexist" ;))
 

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What is the specific section of legislation or case Cavalli?
 

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I <3 this thread, it's such a trainwreck...

All because of some douche who calls himself Thicke.
 

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What concerns me is how piddly and nitpicking the arguments that men make are. It seems like, while not wanting to endorse rape culture outright, men are afraid of conceding the smallest bit of ground that might threaten their privilege.

For example:
I'm in no way saying it's justified, I'm just saying that it does contribute.

Cool opinion, bro. You are doing a brave service to humanity by pointing that out.

Meanwhile, victim blaming is real, and these cute statements implicitly support it, rather than not.

Even worse is when people feel indignant about the phrase 'rape survivor'. This slight misnomer is surely a grammatical travesty, and the whole kerfuffle isn't just thinly veiled misogyny. Right. This is my point. Thinly veiled, insecure, puerile misogyny.
 

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Meer, just stand there cos I'm going to hug you.

*hugs*
 

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Hello Meer.

*slowly caresses Meer*
 

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Please, for the love of God, someone explain to me how this god damned song is supposed to be a rape anthem. I have tried so hard but really - all's I see is feminist bullshit.

Convince me INTPf.

THANK you. I was literally saying this today. (Err.. technically, yesterday.)

It makes me feel better that we are on the same page, here. Feminists bug the crap out of me, in general.

Back to the song... :P Personally, I though he was trying to convince her to cheat with him, because she's with someone else? I'm not sure if it actually says that or I just misunderstood the words. At any rate, I think the video should have some effect on the meaning the song takes on- the women are clearly fine with it. Also, I think what he's saying could just be considered "dirty talk"- being bossy for the sake of flirting or whatever, not to actually tell someone what to do, necessarily, and not to tell them that you are going to RAPE them. For crying out loud...
 

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*rolls in a barrel of something, liquid by the sound of it, there's warning labels all over the barrel, flammable, corrosive, toxic, it'd be a shame if it wasn't radioactive too*

Well y'know these first world feminists these days haven't got a clue what it's all about, they bitch and moan about the smallest things, song lyrics, wolf whistling, the man keeping them down in many ways too subtle to conclusively prove or disprove, indeed it's all the man's fault, the attention we give them is either too much or too little because we are either too meek or too bold. Equality is a paradox too, you must treat a woman as if she's special but don't you dare hold the door, pay for the meal or enquirer about her business, unless you're supposed to, not that you'll know but you'll be in trouble all the same.

And god help you if she's in a bad mood.
A man can be screamed at, struck, humiliated and falsely accused but he must remain calm, never raise his voice, never take offence and most certainly never defend himself least that be interpreted as reprisal. Because as we all know women are incapable of controlling their emotions like we are which is why it's the man'd duty... No wait that's absolutely wrong, we're violent overgrown children compared to those creatures of beauty and grace that comprise the fairer sex, which is why we must condemn our fellow man least our friendship lead us astray from the path of true manhood, because a man is not a man unless a woman says so, and only while she says so.

I digress, outside first world capitalist countries where great temples to excessive wealth convey severely overpriced garments, make-up, perfume, fashionable, consumer electronics, small cakes and whatever else someone only without a Y chromosome may desire, there's the forgotten lands where feminists are actually feminists. Because in these places whether by culture, law, or simply tradition there are women who are actually oppressed, who don't receive education, who don't get to vote, who can't get a job or if they do it's at unequal pay, women who fear rape because the police don't care about such petty issues, women who couldn't care less about the lyrics of a song unless it's the chant of some religious extremist group that may execute them for having the audacity to try to learn how to read.

*tips barrel over and throws a match on the spilling contents*


YES.
 

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This is why this song got latched onto so heavily, because whether or not it's intended that way, it most definitely contributes to the normalization of attitudes that people use to justify rape.

I can understand what you're saying, and that is obviously a really disturbing and serious problem. However, I've heard some things about Marilyn Manson and the Beatles song Helter Skelter and meanings he chose to assign it, but that doesn't mean it caused that behavior. Everyone can't stop expressing themselves, because some weirdos can't figure out which way is up.

Maybe, that's an oversimplification, but that's the way I see it. The responsibility has to lie on the person doing the raping, not someone who they claim said it was normal.


The most problematic parts are that pretty much no one speaks up for when men are expected to behave in ways they shouldn't, if there was more equality.

Men are still expected to stay behind on the titanic and just die, for the most part. Men still can't opt out of fatherhood and financial responsibilities of a child in the first trimester (which is a huge big deal but never ever gets discussed).

Besides the legal, just like there remains a cultural battle to wage in regards to perceptions about and expectations regarding females, there also remains a cultural battle to wage in regards to perceptions about and expectations of men. Men from a very young age often don't have their feelings validated just because of their gender. They learn that their feelings simply don't matter as much and that they don't matter much inherently beyond what they achieve. The space for how to acceptably behave as a male is arguably almost as abysmal as it was for women in the early 1900s

I really agree with this part. I think it's ridiculous the way some feminists, likely extremists, I suppose, refuse to see this. I saw a blog post dripping with sarcasm to the basic effect of, "if men aren't being hurt the way women are being hurt, then they should just shut up". And then when I said that wasn't a reasonable argument, someone proceeded to tell me that men have had their say and it is their turn to listen.

Also, it gets really old, when all you want is for people to be treated like people, and then you're accused of being, and treated like, some sort of polygamists 3rd wife or something.

GOD, this makes me angry.

But, I think you make some good points. And for some of us that have been put off by the extremists, we probably tend to think of feminism in their terms, I know I do, and view it negatively, when the definition of the word, according to Google, is: "the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men." I don't think any of us that are "complaining" are against that.

HOLY CRAP. A HUGE SPIDER JUST DROPPED ON ME. IIIICK, BLEH, HEINIFIAJFI EWWEWW
 

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But, I think you make some good points. And for some of us that have been put off by the extremists, we probably tend to think of feminism in their terms, I know I do, and view it negatively, when the definition of the word, according to Google, is: "the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men." I don't think any of us that are "complaining" are against that.

You're basically saying that you only listen to the strawmen and are actively choosing to ignore the vast majority of the movement. Everybody loves to invoke the straw imaginary feminist.

I'm not the only who thinks that modern progressive feminism has just as much if not more to offer to the alienated men of western society. Many men complain about the molds they're forced into and yet so many of you are quick to protect them when you feel threatened or frustrated. You should be allying with feminist causes if current gender dynamics frustrate you. You should be decrying all these outdated blueprints of gender interaction, not obsessing over that one time you willingly paid for a date with a lady who wasn't really into you and thus concluding that all women are greedy bitches that need to know their place (r/menrights). If empowered women (or other groups) really threaten you personally, then you need to take a good long look at yourself, because you're dehumanizing a lot of people.

Systematic dehumanization is really the core problem here.

HOLY CRAP. A HUGE SPIDER JUST DROPPED ON ME. IIIICK, BLEH, HEINIFIAJFI EWWEWW

Don't worry, they just want cuddles.
 

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Hello Meer.

*slowly caresses Meer*

Ugh, ^ from the arrogant ass who never actually had anything to say besides putting himself on a pedestal. Utterly worthless. Your true motives (to form bonds with the females and raise your status) are not lost on me, but you are free to deny it at my expense. I see what I see, as Adaire (sort of) put it,

Moving along

I agree with Cognisant that the subject of rape is extremely one-sided, and that even rational points made by law-abiding men can still stir up rage if it even encroaches on the "victim-blaming"

I don't mean to put words in your mouth, Cognisant, so if that is not where you were going then I will take responsibility for my own arguments.

I also agree with just about everything Adaire and Minuend had to say about the subject at hand... However your criticisms of, criticisms levied against your stance, can most definitely be interpreted as ... How you say ... Feelings,

Not that it's^ a bad thing, but you were far too quick to invalidate some of the points he made; you refused to address the fact that "victim blaming", although morally wrong, frequently has a rational basis. You seem to be unable to address this issue from a detached pov, so, what good are ya?

Along with this,

The concept of flammable clothing, is totally inappropriate and irrelevant, frankly, it was the sort of thing that 3500 ESFJs would "like" on Facebook. Simply put, that bitch's short skirt was ALSO flammable, nobody set her on fire.
 

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You seem to be unable to address this issue from a detached pov, so, what good are ya?
:D

The concept of flammable clothing, is totally inappropriate and irrelevant, frankly, it was the sort of thing that 3500 ESFJs would "like" on Facebook.
I like it, but mainly because I like fire, on people.
People on fire is good.
 

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Don't judge RB too harshly for the caress, groove. Hugging/caressing meer was sort of an inside joke I initiated elsewhere. I don't even know if meer is male or female. :confused:

I'm a bit amused that you talk about forumites like they're bonobos though.
 

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Don't judge RB too harshly for the caress, groove. Hugging/caressing meer was sort of an inside joke I initiated elsewhere. I don't even know if meer is male or female. :confused:

I'm a bit amused that you talk about forumites like they're bonobos though.

Meer is male, going off the "you right now" thread, I think. Not important. I might have confused myself.

I don't judge for the caress, but

I judge for the absence of rationale,
For his opinion

That men on this forum are all stupid.

I'm saying, that this bonobo has jumped trees over to the girls' side, not because he has an opinion of his own, but because he wants them to think he shares theirs. He is the lowest of the apes.

I am the gorilla in the bushes, crashing your party and killing your children, raping whomever I please. Who is the gorilla, what status has he? He is indeed a rapist, after all, he is also the most majestic of all apes. (Waits for the habitat doctor to prove me wrong as hell...)
 

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The gorilla has the smallest penis relative to size of all the great apes.

Typically 2 inches, if you wanted to know.
 

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Ah, the secret weapon of the female, to imply that sex will be denied

Because the male is inadequate.

How else could I take you seriously, were it not for this blatant denial of sex that I so secretly crave from you?


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I'm not implying anything, you're one who declared yourself a gorilla rapist. :confused:

I don't even know you, dude. Although you're clearly inadequate in the sanity department.



I'm out now.
 

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I also agree with just about everything Adaire and Minuend had to say about the subject at hand... However your criticisms of, criticisms levied against your stance, can most definitely be interpreted as ... How you say ... Feelings,

Ad hominem

Not that it's^ a bad thing, but you were far too quick to invalidate some of the points he made; you refused to address the fact that "victim blaming", although morally wrong, frequently has a rational basis. You seem to be unable to address this issue from a detached pov, so, what good are ya?

Psychologist's fallacy

Ignoratio elenchi

Begging the question

Ad hominem

The concept of flammable clothing, is totally inappropriate and irrelevant, frankly, it was the sort of thing that 3500 ESFJs would "like" on Facebook. Simply put, that bitch's short skirt was ALSO flammable, nobody set her on fire.


Guilt by association
 

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Well Minuend, I am feeling lazy now, not super attached to this thread or my arguments,

But I would point out, that the supposed ad hominems I purported, were in fact in response to tag lines (and I will paraphrase) such as:

Cognisant is merely a child and his opinion is thus invalid/if he doesn't change it soon, he will not have your respect as a man.

Men on this forum are stupid,

Did you get the point of what I was trying to say? I will give you a fair chance, Adaire sort of lost track of things, with her unwillingness to interpret sarcasm or metaphors... Zooming in on my proclamation of being a gorilla rapist, without pondering the meaning of such a proclamation, and reacting to it by calling me insane. But it's not an ad hominem, in this case, because it came from your side of the playground

I thought it was clear that the monkey metaphor was meant to transcend meagre forum dynamics and to draw attention to the animalistic reality of the issue at hand, that is to say that rape is in our biological make-up and we can't live in denial about it.

Wearing skimpy clothes, and expecting no special attention, is a form of said denial

But we're going to take this in a completely different direction, and mention penis size, as if it has anything to do with anything, like it stands on its own two legs as a counterpoint to my gorilla reference

Accusations of logical fallacies do tend to be rather one sided,
It was a cop out so you didn't actually have to address any of the issues I had with your posts

Final point/edit before I leave it alone: if you felt allegiance in any way to the commentary regarding how flammable the man's clothing was, then perhaps you ARE guilty by association.
 

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Annnnd Minuend enters the fray with an orbital strike, this may be game over folks.

Edit: But Base Groove's still in it and making a play for the try line.
 

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Only to take an arrow to the knee, ooooh that's gotta hurt.
 

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I would like to be female, or at least sound female so that I would be able to have my opinion on human behaviour and female part of it accepted/respected by some.

Why do you care? Some people won't take arguments from certain types of people.
 

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rational points made by law-abiding men can still stir up rage if it even encroaches on the "victim-blaming"

you refused to address the fact that "victim blaming", although morally wrong, frequently has a rational basis.


You haven't presented any arguments yet

Will this be ok or should I turn the text yellow?

All the rest of my posted content is subjective opinion,
But these, these are arguments. There is external evidence in existence to support them.
 

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I will now shower and um, privately enjoy my victory,

One need not admit defeat,

Your subjective opinions remain,
As do mine,

But with regards to objectivity,
You have done nothing to address the points I have made,

Except exhibit a paltry attempt at proving that some of them have no merit, based on their inherent fallacious-ness.

Bye :D
 

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This kind of age denying, or view denying the arguments or validity of opinion is something I would advise against.

Denying Cog's or any one elses opinion and comparing age just to draw a line, wtf.

If you are not ready to consider this argument or you dismiss it as immature, then clearly you are beyond our scope and we are chasing tails. This denying opinion, presence, say, argument, that is what destroys constructivity and synthesis forming.
 

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there's a bit of confusion going on here. we've got some people who are above and beyond arguing (Adaire, redbaron), and some people who argue (Meer, Minuend). the latter category can't be blamed for the former's arrogance.
 

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there's a bit of confusion miscommunication going on here.

The interaction of Te-Ti-Fe-Fi-Ne's, quite disastrous, too many too different styles of communication lull.

As seen in like 99% of threads. lol.
Te: but logic logic logic

Ne: you don't even grasp the whole damn thing, narrow minded introverts, shallow extraverts.

Ti: everyone else is so illogical.

If I say anything about feelers it would be too stereotypical
 

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I will now shower and um, privately enjoy my victory,

One need not admit defeat,

Your subjective opinions remain,
As do mine,

But with regards to objectivity,
You have done nothing to address the points I have made,

Except exhibit a paltry attempt at proving that some of them have no merit, based on their inherent fallacious-ness.

Bye :D
Why would you care about victories and that stuff? I thought the topic was important to you and not finding your views prevalent?

*I had a last say, run run, close eyes. Yes, nobody did anything without me.*

Please, you are kidding now, yes you must be kidding.
 

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Why would you care about victories and that stuff? I thought the topic was important to you and not finding your views prevalent?

*I had a last say, run run, close eyes. Yes, nobody did anything without me.*

Please, you are kidding now, yes you must be kidding.

Because to them (INTJs) people actually "win and lose" petty things such as arguments.



//lmfao

Disregarding social structure and power, and regarding non-zero sum but still non-nihilist and such non bullshittery.

also to just annoy, or have fun.


////please don't address this post, I'm trolling too much.
 

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It was an INTJ attempt at humour,

To humanize myself in your eyes

Argument is sport

People celebrate when they feel as if they have bested the competition,
And brood when they have lost

None of it is personal,

A lot had to do with Cognisant pretending it was like a rugby match

Falls flat on face as he exits the field, arms in the air
It was a tie, you fool!!
 

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It was an INTJ attempt at humour,

To humanize myself in your eyes

Argument is sport

People celebrate when they feel as if they have bested the competition,
And brood when they have lost

None of it is personal,

A lot had to do with Cognisant pretending it was like a rugby match
Further analysis of these posts makes me troll myself.

If you were joking, that is fine, I might have laughed too seriously :).

Everything may be possible, It may even be possible to hold an argument and finish it properly. Or to troll feedback yourself.
It was a tie, you fool!!
Whatever, don't edit posts like this.I think it is a bad habit.
 

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Further analysis of these posts makes me troll myself.

If you were joking, that is fine, I might have laughed too seriously :).

Everything may be possible, that is absolutely correct, It may even be possible to hold an argument and finish it properly. Or to troll feedback yourself.

Clever use of terminology, to troll yourself. It brings to mind an interesting lesson, about introspection and self-regulation, authenticity as well,

You might not reciprocate this feeling
But I must be authentic to you first, in other words, we share an objective world, and I have chosen Te as my function, part of the "awful" nature is that it can put a perverted spin on "reality" when Ni is "the master",

It's a paradox, because I am really being authentic to myself.

Perhaps the quoted quote, was me speaking to me, or what I think the world might say -a confession that there is a feedback system, one that operates independent of you.


Is a bad habit.

Of which I have many, sir.
 
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The gorilla has the smallest penis relative to size of all the great apes.

Typically 2 inches, if you wanted to know.
^Beat me to it. :D
that is to say that rape is in our biological make-up and we can't live in denial about it.
This I will second.

I'll also propose that women should consider taking up the black widow flavor of sexual behavior as an evolutionary means to combat rape. :angel:
Whatever, don't edit posts like this.I think it is a bad habit.
:o

I also believe that women should initiate sex (even though I'm usually oblivious to their attempts anyway). Initiation should be their burden of responsibility. But of course this doesn't apply to same sex couples. And men can be victims. Hmmm... If only aggressors could be effectively ID'd and labeled as such.
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i cringed so much reading through this thread. train wreck, indeed.

an article, for relevance: http://www.xojane.com/issues/victim-blaming-media-are-everywhere-whats-going-on-rape-alcohol

as for the song, it's just a catchy song, maybe a bit date-rapey, not my favorite, but so not important in the grand scheme of things. there's only, what, millions of songs made about having questionably consensual sex with women; it's ignoring the greater point, that rape happens, is made almost acceptable in our culture (unless it's the sort of violent rape scene you'll see on tv, complete with a guy stalking a girl through the dark streets of a city and cornering her in an alley with a knife -- surprise! that doesn't happen very often), and it's fucked up and needs to be dealt with, beginning with how we teach our children (mainly boys, yes) about consent. another article for relevance dealing with the latter point: http://www.xojane.com/issues/the-soapbox-unwanted-touching-is-unacceptable-at-any-age-yes-even-age-6

so anyway. rape is bad, mmkay?
 

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You're basically saying that you only listen to the strawmen and are actively choosing to ignore the vast majority of the movement. Everybody loves to invoke the straw imaginary feminist.

I'm not the only who thinks that modern progressive feminism has just as much if not more to offer to the alienated men of western society. Many men complain about the molds they're forced into and yet so many of you are quick to protect them when you feel threatened or frustrated. You should be allying with feminist causes if current gender dynamics frustrate you. You should be decrying all these outdated blueprints of gender interaction, not obsessing over that one time you willingly paid for a date with a lady who wasn't really into you and thus concluding that all women are greedy bitches that need to know their place (r/menrights). If empowered women (or other groups) really threaten you personally, then you need to take a good long look at yourself, because you're dehumanizing a lot of people.

Whaa? No. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the basis of feminism and it's supposed definition and point are good, I think, but that a lot of advocates are extreme and give it a bad name. That's what I'm saying.

LISTEN and *then* respond.

* I realized, later, that I wrote "Marilyn Manson" on my last post instead of "Charles Manson". LOL I wonder how many people that confused/amused. XD
 

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Whaa? No. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the basis of feminism and it's supposed definition and point are good, I think, but that a lot of advocates are extreme and give it a bad name. That's what I'm saying.

'A lot?'. The extreme feminists are a vocal minority. Which is really the point Adaire/Meer are making. However people in this thread are not speaking as though that were the case. There's many examples of blanket statements just about women in general that people are quick to agree with and support, without seeming to realise that it's simply wrong.

It's also quite interesting the way young men seem to think they know women better than women do. Rather funny the way they continuously purport their ideas about women's motivations that they learned from other men and mostly discuss with men, and then put blinders on and disregard female input.

Saying, 'a lot' of extreme feminists is like saying there's, 'a lot' of Muslim suicide bombers, or, 'a lot' of Christians support the Wesrboro Baptist Church.

Eventually you might realise that these notions that Cog et al. are purporting are relevant to a very tiny portion of the population. Which is why women just sit and roll their eyes at these sorts of things, because it's plainly obvious that they have no idea about women.
 

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'A lot?'. The extreme feminists are a vocal minority. Which is really the point Adaire/Meer are making. However people in this thread are not speaking as though that were the case. There's many examples of blanket statements just about women in general that people are quick to agree with and support, without seeming to realise that it's simply wrong.

It's also quite interesting the way young men seem to think they know women better than women do. Rather funny the way they continuously purport their ideas about women's motivations that they learned from other men and mostly discuss with men, and then put blinders on and disregard female input.

Saying, 'a lot' of extreme feminists is like saying there's, 'a lot' of Muslim suicide bombers, or, 'a lot' of Christians support the Wesrboro Baptist Church.

Eventually you might realise that these notions that Cog et al. are purporting are relevant to a very tiny portion of the population. Which is why women just sit and roll their eyes at these sorts of things, because it's plainly obvious that they have no idea about women.
You seem to include that there is some basic difference of men and women. That we as men cannot understand. Is it wrong to treat and understand men and women as humans, rather in the same way?
 

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You seem to include that there is some basic difference of men and women. That we as men cannot understand. Is it wrong to treat and understand men and women as humans, rather in the same way?

I think there's really no difference. In my eyes, there's just people. I'm lazily using arbitrary gender labels for simplicity's sake, but really I think the whole premise of threads like this is pointless.

What you talk about is exactly what I'm trying to get at - we are all humans. We are not our labels and trying to label any group and assign them certain qualities and attributes is always going to miss the mark.

To note, my initial dismissive attitude was more based on the fact that this thread runs parallel to dozens of others, where the exact same arguments and viewpoints are expressed ad nauseum. I'm not all that interested in just rehashing the same old points in a slightly new frame.

It's really not the even close to the first time this issue or another like it has come up, and you'll notice that there's not a great deal of women who bother to get all that involved - and it's easy to see why, when people who have been on the forum scarcely a month come out of the woodwork, completely oblivious to all past discussions over the last few years, and try to denounce them as being dismissive simply because they're angry or upset - claiming that they're being irrational while providing pretty much nothing that adds to the argument themselves.

It's really just that this is thread #1842 started by a young male from an Anglo-centric country on the same sort of issue, and while it's amusing a few times, it just starts to get a little sad after a while.

The point of my post was more to highlight that any attempt to try to group people together and attach labels is missing the point. Talking about women as if they're some sort of collective hive mind and not simply individual people is where this all goes wrong.

Personally I think labels are at the root of every social perception issue, which is an issue I've discussed elsewhere at length, but is probably not fit for this thread.
 

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Personally I think labels are at the root of every social perception issue, which is an issue I've discussed elsewhere at length, but is probably not fit for this thread.
Indeed, from group to a single unit. I agree that we won't be able to create a working theory of this type without having compared multiple examples and multiple views.

Labels or stereotypes are simplified and caused many a man suffering.
 

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'A lot?'. The extreme feminists are a vocal minority. Which is really the point Adaire/Meer are making. However people in this thread are not speaking as though that were the case. There's many examples of blanket statements just about women in general that people are quick to agree with and support, without seeming to realise that it's simply wrong.

It's also quite interesting the way young men seem to think they know women better than women do. Rather funny the way they continuously purport their ideas about women's motivations that they learned from other men and mostly discuss with men, and then put blinders on and disregard female input.

Saying, 'a lot' of extreme feminists is like saying there's, 'a lot' of Muslim suicide bombers, or, 'a lot' of Christians support the Wesrboro Baptist Church.

Eventually you might realise that these notions that Cog et al. are purporting are relevant to a very tiny portion of the population. Which is why women just sit and roll their eyes at these sorts of things, because it's plainly obvious that they have no idea about women.

I AM A WOMAN.

Doesn't it seem like sexism that you assumed I *wasn't* a woman just because I made certain arguments or didn't agree with you?

And me saying "a lot" and you saying "there's not a lot" are both opinions unless data of some sort can be provided to back up the claims. I admit that my statement is an opinion based on my experiences.

You seem to include that there is some basic difference of men and women. That we as men cannot understand. Is it wrong to treat and understand men and women as humans, rather in the same way?

Exactly. Isn't that what sexism is? :confused:
 

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I AM A WOMAN.

Doesn't it seem like sexism that you assumed I *wasn't* a woman just because I made certain arguments or didn't agree with you?

Actually since your name was Jenna I assumed you were a woman.

JennaSayQuoi said:
And me saying "a lot" and you saying "there's not a lot" are both opinions unless data of some sort can be provided to back up the claims. I admit that my statement is an opinion based on my experiences.

You said that among advocates of gender equality, a lot of them were extreme feminists. Do you really think that?

Definition:
Adv. 1. a lot - to a very great degree or extent

'To a very great extent' - perhaps this is simply my interpretation, but to me this implies a majority. When as far as I can tell, extremist views on feminism are little more than a vocal minority. It can seem like a lot because they are so vocal, however like I've already pointed out - just because they're the ones you hear about, it doesn't mean that a lot of Muslims are suicide bombers, or that most religious people are similar to the ones from the Westboro Baptist Church.
 

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It has been scientifically proven that men and women are not equal.
 
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