As far as representation goes, I have mixed feelings...or maybe not mixed, I'm just not that political but rationally I dont get why some folks are anti-diversity.
I think it depends what you mean by 'diversity'. Some people use language as a euphemism
What, showing a mix of different types of people in our collective stories, especially a mix that is representative of the world around us?
So sometimes people can't be honest about their real intentions so they have to pretend that they are doing something for a moral reason to justify what they are doing in order to conceal their real intentions
Sorry, I forgot there is a conspiracy afoot. See my first answer.
So for example the ex UN migration chief (he's passed away now) peter sutherland said publically that the EU should undermine 'national homogeneity' among its member states. You can find that statement in a BBC piece here:
The EU should "do its best to undermine" national "homogeneity" and promote multiculturalism, the UN's special representative for migration tells peers.
www.bbc.co.uk
So what he is talking about there is social engineering. He is working for the UN which is a world government and he wants the EU to become a single superstate so in order to do that he wants to see national identity destroyed in the member states of the EU
The way he wants this done is through mass migrations of people that are shipped over the meditterenean sea by NGO boats and then distributed around the EU into member states through migrant quotas
This process has completely rocked europe and has seen a populist party take power in italy, the french yellow vest movement has taken to the streets in france over the rising costs of paying for that process and the british have voted to leave the EU altogether
So 'diversity' is not so popular in europe and what we can see is that it is pushed as part of social engineering by people with a particular ideological outlook. The question can then be asked if we agree or not with that ideological outlook and on the impacts of it?
So for example in the Uk we have had a massive scandal where organised muslim rape gangs have raped thousands of white british children up and down the country. The british police were too afraid to do anything about that for decades because they did not want to be accused of being 'racist'. We also have a knife crime epidemic now in london and its spreading to other cities. That epidemic has arisen out of mass immigration. The country is becoming less safe and tensions are rising. is that enrichment?
I can't speak intelligently about Europe because I'm an American who doesn't read extensively in European news. Although I can't say based on your posting habits I look at you as someone with necessarily a balanced view of things. I am aware that racial issues are different overseas, but like I said, I know my country's issues better than Europe's. We don't have a fucking border invasion of migrant rapists, for example, regardless of what our president tries to state -- the crime rate among our border migrants is below that of our actual citizens.
I get why people don't want there to be representation just to have representation....but this isn't about employment or capability, it's about providing interesting diverse portrayals of heroes in stories, so then I also ask, why the hell not?
It's certainly not equal representation, because white male superheroes are typically overrepresented.
isn't that reflective of society in the sense that the comic books generally come out of countries that are demographically majority white? Also perhaps the people who produce the comic books are majority white and have been creating the comic books for a predominatly white, male audience. So when seen in that light it makes sense.
I am not exposed to Indian or Asian comics, as an example, because I don't have access to them directly like I have access to comic books originating in the United States ... and both DC and Marvel which are also at the top of producing superhero movies here originated here in the USA, right?
Since those companies originally created a lot of their properties, our national composition has changed a great deal... as well as our society. So it makes sense for the properties to change to reflect those changes. If not because of simply of being more reflective of our society (and those more interesting from having writers of various nationalities, both genders, and so forth) but even to simply market to their audience, if you're cynical enough to make it all about money.
if women want female comic book characters then they should start writing comics with female characters. The same is true for any demographic group. be the change you want to see in the world as ghandi would say
Lol, wtf do you think has been going on in our country and our comic book companies? It's exactly what's been happening, our writer based has been diversifying in the last 25 years and that's made some changes to the comics as well.
It's also important for people to see role models that they can identify with. Why shouldn't there be heroes of various nationalities, gender, identity, etc?
yes role models are important but the same people arguing for 'diversity' are the same people who would tell you its not important for families to have a male role model within them
Yeah. Um, I mean, no.
Maybe you're just confused that after all this time of men making themselves the most important people in society, that putting them back on the same level as everyone else in the culture is saying men shouldn't exist or something. Maybe you should just take a deep breath and make some space for other people? Men are people, and people are important.
so if they don't really believe in male role models we can ask what kind of role models are they creating for society and what do they hope to achieve through that?
This isn't complicated. People believe in role models. Since white men have been overrepresented in our stories for so long, my point obviously was that it's good to have some other role models as well, that reflect the audience. Can you actually imagine what it would be like to look around you at all the heroes of your culture and see NO ONE admirable who you can personally identify with, to feel inspired by? I'm guessing not.
I didnt think Captain Marvel was in the top tier of MCU films, but I did think it was great to see all the girls and young women there with their families to see a woman who might inspire them.... just like Wonder Woman a year or two again. It's not a bad thing, and there is no rule of who a superhero is supposed to be either.
do you think that there is a lot of violence on TV?
do you think that in recent years there has been a push to create female characters carrying out a lot of physical violence?
is there any room in society for a discussion on the effect of all the depicted violence?
You've lost me. Our entertainment has been inundated by male violence since its inception, so... what's your point? (I'm kinda hoping it's not that "women aren't allowed to use force because they have to be loving and kind and stabilize the culture while men pursue violence.")
Heaven forbid we have a movie with mainly black people (and not even African Americans , but non-American black people), considering how many non-white people are in the world and yet all of these films are typically about white Americans.
i don't think the issue with black panther is that the majority of its characters are black
I think the issue is that it is depicting a society that is not diverse when we are constantly being told that diversity is good. It seems like a double standard
Lol. Do you believe this stuff you're peddling? Seriously? After all your bitching about how shitty you think your world is by allowing migrants in? You can't argue both sides -- "Yeah, I want to keep everyone separate because they're ruining my part of the world... BUT WAKANDA....!"
Wakanda has really only been in one movie extensively (and part of a second). They're an African country. Let's see what their direction is, now that they decided to open their land to others. It's called a "story arc," not the static state of white male domination for the first 50+ years of comics history in the USA, at least, where there was no arc... just inundation. I'm interested in seeing how Wakanda continues to evolve.
