Beware of Horsemen

[Perseus]

Hello,

Does anybody have trouble with Horsemen (ESFJ) and Pony girls? So much trouble that my life is in serious trouble.

Andy

 

[Chimera]

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Why not just call them ESFJs?
I really don't think anyone has taken the time to look so much into your way of typing that they actually know what you're talking about half the time. Unless you specify which type, but even then it gets a bit annoying because it impairs the clarity of whatever you're trying to get across.
Personally it makes me not want to read what you have to say, which doesn't happen very often.​

Yeah, maybe I'm being a jerk.
From now on I'll just ignore it. Or something.
Just had to get my opinion out there.

On topic:
I don't have issues with many people.
The people I do have issues with are not based on personality type and are wide in personality variety.
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[Aphasia]

No, or at least, I don't think so. So far, the only people whom I still greatly dislike are an INTJ (I'm pretty certain he's one) and an ESTP (again, I'm just guessing). In a way, they're pretty amazing, since they've actually made me lose my temper at them. Thankfully, I'll never need to meet them ever again (I hope this will stay true).

 

[Perseus]

INTJ Hawks are meant to be Advisor status to INTPs. They tend to make their judgements a little too quick for me.

 

[zxc]

I think MBTI theory is flimsy enough without the animals!

An ESxx + me is like matter + anti-matter. Especially the ESTPs (I swear they are closer to monkeys than humans).

 

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INTJ Hawks are meant to be Advisor status to INTPs. They tend to make their judgements a little too quick for me.

Absolutely wrong. INTJs are action-based, they're good at actually completing the projects that they're interested in. If anything, INTPs should be advisors to INTJs. We're valuable to them in the sense that we'll look at the big picture, and may be able to come up with things that they missed.

Another good relationship between INTJs and INTPs would be if INTPs were delegating a project to INTJs.

But INTJs advising INTPs? No.

 

[fullerene]

haha I completely agree jones. I was gonna say almost exactly that earlier, but couldn't summon the motivation. I'm glad you did.

 

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My brother is INTJ, I know them too well.

It's actually a bit of a conflict, since he's a younger brother. There were a couple years where I was very annoyed that my younger brother was completing more projects than I was. I often fell into an advisor role, which I felt wasn't right for the elder brother to have.

I've dismissed those anxieties; we're simply different personality types.

 

[fullerene]

I actually had the same thing, except I'm the younger. My brother told me, 3 1/2 years back when we were on a road trip (lol sounds like he's kidding when typed here, but he was serious), "you're just always right. Always! Well not always... but like 99.5% of the time!" when I shot down one of his little ENFP values he was trying to act by. It took him til he was 20 to admit that I was better at finding out how things really are than he is. We both realized there's just more to what makes a person than that, though, and he started asking my advice on everything.

I think INTPs delegating jobs to INTJs would work well as long as you didn't let them see your inefficiency. The way our society is set up, delegating tasks is a higher position of power over the one doing the tasks, so if they thought you were incompetant, it'd be a disaster. Ever since I was in probably 5th or 6th grade, I thought advising would be the best position for me. I've sense added to that "as long as the one making the decisions takes my advice seriously."


Perseus, I haven't had (much) trouble with ESFJs. I know three in my life... two confirmed, one I'm just guessing. One is a very dear friend. Another is someone I'm on good terms with, as long as she doesn't try to "take care of me" when I'm down. The third is someone you could probably call and enemy and not be too far from the truth (that's the one I'm guessing about). Someone here said that ESFJs are cultural spounges who harden into rocks to defend it. I don't think that's far from the truth. How well I get along with one seems to depend largely on what values they've absorbed in their childhood.

 

[Agent Intellect]

my dad is INTJ, i don't know about advising him though. he's a little more of an earthy INTJ (very strong T, not as much N) where i'm a lot more abstract and head in the clouds. he reminds me somewhat of an inventor, always able to see the connections and put things together (and he's actually made quite a few little devices out of old scraps of other things). i can talk to him about abstract things though and he'll get it much faster then my ISFJ mom.

and as far as ESFJ's, my sister is one, and i've never really had a huge problem with her, but thats mainly because i barely see her (we live in the same apartment, but she's not home 95% of the time) and i think she's relatively experienced at dealing with NT's, having an NT brother and dad, and her boyfriend is ENTP (i think he's the same age as cryptonia and he's a physics major). so of course, anytime her boyfriend comes to our apartment, he ends up talking to me about science and shit, so no wonder she always go's to his apartment.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

They're terrible really. I wouldn't mind them if they weren't so attacking and vicious. It's always 'stand and deliver' this, or 'your money or your life' that...

 

[Melkor]

Yeah, and you really have to watch for the ones in black, they kick down your doors, run with knives, scream at irregullar intervals and run about saying 'BAGGGGGIINNNSSS' to people.


Rather annoying at times.




Oh..serious?


Meh...

I just rretreat into my shell when people irritate me, or else plot their doom on paper.

I never get round to it, but it helps.

 

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I just rretreat into my shell when people irritate me, or else plot their doom on paper.

I never get round to it, but it helps.

Hahaha, this is pure essence of INTP!

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

I rarely get annoyed, and only by people who I like. Which, of course, makes it even more annoying.

 

[Perseus]

Error, our advisor is the INFJ Skylark and I found these people to be very good. INTJ Hawk is our Complement compatible strengths with opposite emphases

Not so good. Disagreements.

I just rretreat into my shell when people irritate me, or else plot their doom on paper.

I never get round to it, but it helps.

This seems like the INFP Dragon in his barrow, the Monastic variety.

Guards! Guards!

 

[Devercia]

My mother, and two halfsisters and ESFJ. My mother as just recently began probing into understanding me, with my own prodding her to get her to do it. It took nearly an hour to explain how I could entertain morally questionable thoughts without being corrupted by them.

I told her that she could not think with out believing, and her reply was "I don't believe that." which earned a facepalm. Fortunately I finally got her to cross that line. my two sisters I don't see often. They both think I am intelligent, but eccentric as well, and often don't take me seriously, to which I play into by being eccentric.

Labeling theory for the win.

 

[Perseus]

Hello,

Does anybody have trouble with Horsemen (ESFJ) and Pony girls? So much trouble that my life is in serious trouble.

Andy

I had a discussion in the pub about this. I discovered my neighbour had got six months in clink over a Pony girl. Fucking Hell (he said) or God Almighty (I said).

He was an Artisan ISTP (Bear with a sore head) who actually have the same trouble and act on it, whereas our intuition says trouble.

 

[Perseus]

My mother, and two halfsisters and ESFJ. My mother as just recently began probing into understanding me, with my own prodding her to get her to do it. It took nearly an hour to explain how I could entertain morally questionable thoughts without being corrupted by them.

I told her that she could not think with out believing, and her reply was "I don't believe that." which earned a facepalm. Fortunately I finally got her to cross that line. my two sisters I don't see often. They both think I am intelligent, but eccentric as well, and often don't take me seriously, to which I play into by being eccentric.

Labeling theory for the win.

Being brought up in a family of Artisans can be hell. Being stalked by them (Pony girls or Pandas or Dogs) is hell.