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Avoidant Personality

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Avoidant Personality Disorder..

I've have that, and some anxiety to boot.
I developed anxiety when I was 18, and I think I started to become significantly avoidant when I was 20 or so.. My avoidant tendancies are increasingly getting worse. My social anxiety has improved, but I still suffer general anxiety; I think a lot of my current anxiety is consequence my avoidance.

I dont know why I'm so avoidy.. and I'm struggling to turn things around. Any one else going through the same or have any advice?
 

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I do not see my avoidance as a disorder.
 

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Is avoidant personality just social or can it be sort of with any source of stress? As in, could it lead to procrastination of important things simply because they become a source of stress you are unable to deal with. Because in that case that's my excuse. I am prone to some social anxiety though, although it's not really pathological most of the time.

And yes I am too lazy to look this up myself.
 

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Actual personal disorders are extreme and can typically result in disruption of one's ability to maintain LTRs, hold down jobs, etc., and heavily inhibit/restrict behavior/interaction.

The DSM traits for APD are as follows:
1. Avoids occupational activities that involve significant interpersonal contact, because of fears of criticism, disapproval, or rejection
2. Is unwilling to get involved with people unless certain of being liked
3. Shows restraint within intimate relationships because of the fear of being shamed or ridiculed
4. Is preoccupied with being criticized or rejected in social situations
5. Is inhibited in new interpersonal situations because of feelings of inadequacy
6. Views self as socially inept, personally unappealing, or inferior to others
7. Is unusually reluctant to take personal risk or to engage in any new activities because they may prove embarrassing

Typically these things result in living a heavily restricted life, versus just having feelings but still being able to function and ignore them. There's a hypersensitivity to criticism and an excruciating sense of shame resulting in a severe need for personal image management -- which means you only let people see the positive aspects of yourself or you restrict your interactions accordingly all to avoid having criticism come in that exacerbates the sense of self-unworth. Situations where you can't operate at peak efficiency are viewed as very dangerous. You are heavily monitoring both your internal feelings as well as the immediate reactions to you from the other people around you. If someone is not very adept and/or hyperaware of cue-monitoring (to the point of assuming the worst of the smallest cue that people they interact with is offering), I'd think maybe it's a different issue besides APD.

As far as presentation, APD folks typically come off as restrained and nice on the surface, potentially reclusive, while inside they feel deeply wounded by typical interactions and have to fight off waves of perceived negativity that others are likely not even imagining. It's all because their own pervasive feels of imperfection and unworth lead them to expect everyone else to view them similarly... hence, avoidance.

I think around 30% of those actually diagnosed as having social anxiety disorder can be diagnosed with APD.
 

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Drug abuse enhances and creates symptoms of mental illness. I've pretty much lost all the symptoms of illness since I quit smoking pot. I seriously thought I was losing my mind. Turns out drugs do that. Maybe lay off all the weekends out getting loaded. Up your B vitamin intake as well as magnesium. Many drugs deplete these from your system. Even if they aren't being triggered by drug use, they are most likely contributing to their escalation.

Sorry for the preachy advice. I don't even know if you use a lot, I just got the impression from your posts, and my own experience.
 

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^ so true for me, as long as it's nothing regular I'm cool though.
 

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Well yea, what Jenny outlined has now sorta become my life. I'm dismissive avoidant, which comprimises 30% of the (American) populace.

Usually the dismissive armour keeps me steaming ahead... but I seem to have lost my mojo.

I left professional work 11 months ago amid a semi mental break down.. I told myself that I just needed a break.

Instead thats turned into 11 months of increased avoidance which has permeated all aspects of life.

Increased isolation from everyone, bar my best friend and the two friends I live with. The only reason I've seen others since the new year is due to bereavement and social obligation.

I've fell behind on Uni.. I'm not yet back in professional work... I find myself avoiding people for silly reasons, or so I've been assured... and I've been avoiding conflict, like the plague. Which is out of character for me..
My best friend wrote me a letter, half in jest, outlining how much of a hermit I've become.

I dunno, this just seems like the longest rut I have ever been stuck in.

Meh. I've had enough drugs for the moment.. I've turned them down all this week. Not the weed of course, that shit keeps me medicated .. but the other drugs, I killed it these last few months. My friends suddenly decided they wanted a taste of the hippie era and looked to me to lead - naturally I took the reigns.

One thing I can say, some of those trips felt fucking amazing haha.
 

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Are you avoiding things? That means you need medication. I advise seeing a professional who can prescribe you pills, as soon as possible.

Also make sure that a professional places you on the APD scale. And various other scales...

And also note that if you are not on any scale, that might indicate a disorder. But there are pills for that disorder too, don't worry.
 

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Is APD really an introvert thing? I see why schizoid would be, since they prefer not to be around people, but APD seem to compare themselves to others a lot, so could it be that APDs are extroverts stuck in an introverted mode of behaviour?
 
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Are you avoiding things? That means you need medication. I advise seeing a professional who can prescribe you pills, as soon as possible.

Also make sure that a professional places you on the APD scale. And various other scales...

And also note that if you are not on any scale, that might indicate a disorder. But there are pills for that disorder too, don't worry.

the tone of this post indicates that you are likely suffering from ODD

report for professional diagnosis and hopefully mandatory medication immediately before your attitude has chance to undermine societal stability
 

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the tone of this post indicates that you are likely suffering from ODD

report for professional diagnosis and hopefully mandatory medication immediately before your attitude has chance to undermine societal stability

Damn, I think you are right.

"A pattern of argumentative/defiant behavior lasting for more than 6 months." – that's definitely a symptom I can relate to.

ODD has an estimated lifetime prevalence of 10.2%
Way too many people with human emotions and argumentative behavior out there.
 

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Some version of it is common in INTP's - my kid does it, I do it (try to avoid hanging out with people at work too much). Larry David (probable INTP IMO) has said he spend his life just getting out of things. But all types do that, my ESTJ dad avoids any kind of substantive conversation, preferring small talk.
 

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my ESTJ dad avoids any kind of substantive conversation, preferring small talk.

You seem like you know a lot about types, so if you dont mind, I'd like to bounce a hypothesis off you...

E's prefer the interaction - the interacting - more than the content of the interaction. Keeping conversations on the surface offers evidence of this hypothesis.

How accurate (or not) is this thought?
 

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E's prefer the interaction - the interacting - more than the content of the interaction. Keeping conversations on the surface offers evidence of this hypothesis.

How accurate (or not) is this thought?

Accurate with some subtleties. One is it depends on the dominant preference (E vs I) and also the functions which come into play for a person. A Fe auxiliary like an INFJ needs a fair amount of people time, both in form and content. Likewise even an Ne auxiliary INTP will be quite animated and social, but content still matters.

Looking at the E preference types, with dominant extraverted intuitives (e.g. ENTP) you generally see the content mattering quite a lot. However I consistently see dominant ES types as preferring form over content. However, a catch, the dominant IS types also prefer form over content (e.g. tradition bound ISFJ)

Pulling it together I see dominant extraverted sensing types preferring form over content which makes sense. They are focused on externalities, not essence. Dominant IS types are next, still preferring form but from a more subjective standpoint. Dominant EN types are next, and here they flip to preferring content over form, but clearly form is important. Leaving IN types in last place, caring the least.
 

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I also struggle hard with general anxiety(And not just the regular kind. Some sort of super mutant anxiety. But you'd never know from speaking to me.)

I've managed to take control of it in the past 6 months or so. It hasn't been easy.

The best advice I can give is to get on top of all your tasks, and give up all your bad habits. It's not easy and probably doesn't seem like it would help all that much, but I would very much argue the opposite.

Also, I've finally completed a major goal of becoming a minimalist (basically all my possessions fit in a carry on bag except for my bicycle and longboard) and it feels fucking great. Perhaps that might be worth pursuing. I'd highly recommend it for sorting out anxiety issues.

As to your other problems, I have no specific advice.

I hope this is helpful.
 

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Thanks for the replies, especially Happy & Urakro ... I agreee Happy, I just need to stop being a pussyhole and pull myself together.

I've been trying to embark on, or at least begin, some kind of individuation process; but its clear to me that I am untrained and perhaps not yet ready.

I've a lot going on at the moment, and I'm unsure about how exactly I should be processing it all.
 

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APDs are extroverts stuck in an introverted mode of behaviour?

That's an exquisite coffin, last nail in it - just top notch. Its angle pristine, the way it rests in the wood is witness to determination free of desperation.

...which is some weird way of making a simple expression of agreement seem more important than it would otherwise.

Anyhow, yeah.
 

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My wife is somewhat INFJ/INTP, and we both tend to prefer to hole up in a canyon rather than mingle with people. It's not full-blown avoidance, but we're aware of it and, since we are both now retired and could actually disappear into a hole, we are taking steps to avoid sliding into a void. We are scheduling vacations around the globe on a regular basis and joining various clubs and organizations with regular meetings and social outings, just so we keep our social skills relatively fresh and our minds functioning with the outside stimulus and not just the noise in our brains.

It seems like we're not quite in your league, Sinny, but I can empathize with what you're going through. I have had moments when I was young where I literally turned the car around and went home rather than drive to work or some other situation requiring me to interact. Since I had a family to support, I gritted my teeth and pushed through and picked up some coping techniques while waiting for the more comfortable long-term relationships to evolve both in the office and out in the world (I was a beat reporter). Eventually I got so comfortable that I chose to move to a new state, a new job, a new culture, with no friends, just to deploy my job skills in a more rewarding setting. You may surprise yourself and change into a more coping modality. Hope so, you've got a lot to share.
 

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Thanks for the replies, especially Happy & Urakro ... I agreee Happy, I just need to stop being a pussyhole and pull myself together.

I've been trying to embark on, or at least begin, some kind of individuation process; but its clear to me that I am untrained and perhaps not yet ready.

I've a lot going on at the moment, and I'm unsure about how exactly I should be processing it all.

No worries.

I'd suggest sorting your shit out before worrying about individualisation. But that's only based on what ive learned from my own journey.

Take things one step at a time to avoid becoming overwhelmed. I like to tell myself "one thing at a time" when buried by all the shit I need to do. Keeps me on track.
 

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It would be nice if life only threw us these challenges one at a time... but I'm sure everybody here could perhaps relate to 'everything happening at once'.

Dunno. I'm angry, but limp. Fed up.
I need a punchin bag. Ugh. I should have thought of that before. Next best thing to pounding into some cunts face.

Since discovering MBTI and say the Enneagram.. its helped me put a lot of things in perspective...

My behavior growing up, for one...
How I've dealt with things... and how I'm not dealing with things.

Would be nice to have someone irl who I could have these talks with, in depth.

Alas, I'm surrounded by idiots. I'm the brains in my social circle, and if thats enough to worry you, believe me, it's enough to worry me, aha.

Thanks Editor, I was hoping for some comforting words.. more so from those my elder; some aspects of traditionalism are ingrained in me... well, I'm supposed to be adulting, but here I am looking for the nearest adult. Lul.

Anyway, I've made a start. Removed myself from the PC (24/7) and have been off for nightly jogs in the rain.. I didnt realise how much I missed the out doors... and as I've just reminded myself, I should think about hitting the bags again.. I am a creature with much physical energy, I'd do well to remember it.
 

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I used to be avoidant as hell and I still am trying to unlearn it, but I had a couple of interactions with real physical threats from other people which really put my anxiety about other people in perspective and helped decrease it a lot. Three teenagers in the poor neighborhood where I live tried to mug me with a gun and I basically called their bluff and did not give them my money or cell phone. They were paralyzed with indecision while I ran off.

There was another incident where I was with a couple of my roommates. One of the got involved in a fight she saw on the street where a man and woman were beating on each other. It ended with the cops being called and the man in question trying to hit me with a brick, but failing as I quickly exited on my bike.

Never having been involved in physical confrontation before, these experiences at the age of 27 helped make me less fearful of others because I came to the conclusion that I found such confrontation exciting as hell. Once you learn you can deal when people actively try to hurt you, it's hard to care about such petty things as someone disliking you, so I have become much less willing (hell, even less capable) of hiding my true self.
 

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Update.

I took ya'll advice and actually did some things.

Thanks guys.
 

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Not sure if you're referring to self, Se or sex... but I agree on all counts haha.

I spent the most part of the last year being *extra* hermit-y.... caused me more harm than good.. but I'm out facing the world again now.

I tend to find that theres only so much wallowing one can do, until the point you decide to fight back.
 

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Not sure if you're referring to self, Se or sex... but I agree on all counts haha.

I spent the most part of the last year being *extra* hermit-y.... caused me more harm than good.. but I'm out facing the world again now.

I tend to find that theres only so much wallowing one can do, until the point you decide to fight back.

I meant Se - but its inclusive, I believe.

I was saying get out, get some action and movement in your life. Its good for the body, which is good for the mind.
 
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