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Are N-s more intelligent than S-es?
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Why do you think this?
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Statistics, but doesn't mean they are more intelligent just tests are made that way.
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Is smart synonymous with intelligence. I define it as adaptation to novelty.
Verbal IQ means you know more words. But if you know more then you can formulate more complex thoughts not dissimilar to how computer software is more complex by knowing more complex algorithms.
Increase knowledge supersedes one time shots in overall wisdom to survive and interact with the world.
Learning starts slow but then accelerates as information is acquired(practice), the more books you read or thinking you do increases wisdom.
The IQ test measures your level / amount of practice or natural talent in all 4 areas it measures.
Speed of absorption can increase IQ.
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IQ basically measures abstract perceptual/reasoning abilities. You would expect an N to score higher, because this is something N's tend to deal more in. S's will probably have more practical perception/reasoning abilities, which is smartness but not what intelligence usually refers to.
Or maybe not. Either way, who cares how intelligent you are?
Or maybe not. Either way, who cares how intelligent you are?
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Does N absorb faster than S, SkyWalker, please explain?
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I don't think intelligence is solely measured by IQ. There are different types of intelligence; if you've ever watched quiz shows like "Eggheads" or "Mastermind" and felt the people there, for their stores of knowledge, were intelligent you were most likely looking at an Si dominant.
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I would personally suggest using an 8-part intelligence model which tests for proficiency in each of the 8-functions.
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Could this be mapped to neural circuits remolding the need for psychological investigations into brain scan.
MBTI test by scan?
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If we go by this idea even further, then couldn't it be argued that perhaps N-dominants (EN_Ps and IN_Js) are more capable of abstract thought than N-secondaries (IN_Ps and EN_Js)? Furthermore, would there be any difference between the different kind of N dominants - the Ne dominants and the Ni dominants? How would Ne and Ni in the conscious cognitive functions (functions 1-4) aid the ability to reason abstractly in the manner of IQ tests differently?
^^I think of this very often because of how there are many different ways of approaching the same problems. For example, there are talented F dominant mathematicians, and there are many feelers, especially INFJs, in very abstract logic fields. In the case of the NFJs, this seems to be because the tertiary Ti in INFJs potentially allows for a more internally abstract & logical framework than the INTJs, who have Ni for inner abstract and their logical framework is external, through Te systemic implementation. In the same way, I wonder if there are some advantages that IS_Ps with developed tertiary Ni might have over an IN_P when coming across abstract work that calls for internal abstractions (Ni) rather than external abstractions (Ne).
^^I think of this very often because of how there are many different ways of approaching the same problems. For example, there are talented F dominant mathematicians, and there are many feelers, especially INFJs, in very abstract logic fields. In the case of the NFJs, this seems to be because the tertiary Ti in INFJs potentially allows for a more internally abstract & logical framework than the INTJs, who have Ni for inner abstract and their logical framework is external, through Te systemic implementation. In the same way, I wonder if there are some advantages that IS_Ps with developed tertiary Ni might have over an IN_P when coming across abstract work that calls for internal abstractions (Ni) rather than external abstractions (Ne).
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Abstractions of something always go towards the internal (towards meaning).
Yuu used the word abstraction in combination with going to the external, this does not make sense.
Ne does not see "external abstractions" (the word abstraction is not right at this place in the sentence in combination with external)
Ne sees external details/concretions (the solution / applicable-wise)
Ni sees internal abstractions (the meaning / understanding-wise)
Yuu used the word abstraction in combination with going to the external, this does not make sense.
Ne does not see "external abstractions" (the word abstraction is not right at this place in the sentence in combination with external)
Ne sees external details/concretions (the solution / applicable-wise)
Ni sees internal abstractions (the meaning / understanding-wise)
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Recently I know I am ENTP, with absurdly strong Ne, so NeTi (so INTPs TiNe reversed), and was always the best at math.
(advanced) lineair algebra was always easy & fun for me, I think because my Ne sees it instantly, all those concretizations/details of all those vectors.
but (advanced) calculus, i am quite able to do it, but its sure not fun for me.
i remember that in my university there were some weird types that actually really liked calculus and were actually better at it than me (although they didnt beat me at lineair algebra)
would the ones that are better at calculus be more like NiTe types maybe?
Their Ni providing them the bigger meaning instantly
and then their Te solving their calculus step by step sequentially until completion.
or am i completely off?
INFJs are also known to be good at math (Ni-Fe-Ti-Se), really weird how that Fe seems to do the math? feeling??
(advanced) lineair algebra was always easy & fun for me, I think because my Ne sees it instantly, all those concretizations/details of all those vectors.
but (advanced) calculus, i am quite able to do it, but its sure not fun for me.
i remember that in my university there were some weird types that actually really liked calculus and were actually better at it than me (although they didnt beat me at lineair algebra)
would the ones that are better at calculus be more like NiTe types maybe?
Their Ni providing them the bigger meaning instantly
and then their Te solving their calculus step by step sequentially until completion.
or am i completely off?
INFJs are also known to be good at math (Ni-Fe-Ti-Se), really weird how that Fe seems to do the math? feeling??
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ENTP (Ne-Ti-Fe-Si) and INFJ (Ni-Fe-Ti-Se) both have something in common: they are both N-dominant, and both Ti.
Maths requires a lot of step-by-step thinking (Ti). But there are so many paths to travel, and few have the types of answers you are looking for. Many of those roads go nowhere. Many of those roads lead to the same result as you discovered years ago. Many come to something useful, but nothing you can see any use for at the moment, and might not be used for centuries. Many of these roads can take weeks to explore. So you need to be very intuitive, to spot in your mind's eye, which roads are likely to take you somewhere useful, so you don't waste too much time.
So I can see that it can make sense, so say that N-dominance, and high Ti skills would make one very good at mathematics.
However, this is only the maths that is taught today, because it is divorced from real life. In earlier times, mathematics was used to solve real problems. So you had to look at the real world, and take detailed observations (Si). You also had to ensure that there was total agreement on those observations, because if anyone disagreed on any of those observations, then any logic built on it would not apply to them. So you needed to sense how people felt about those observations, and find the ones everyone was happy with (Fe).
Actually, this might explain why I was so obsessed in my 20s, about finding ways to apply maths to real life (INTP = Ti-Ne-Si-Fe).
FYI, I eat up calculus for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Was my favourite, and my best, subject in maths.
Maths requires a lot of step-by-step thinking (Ti). But there are so many paths to travel, and few have the types of answers you are looking for. Many of those roads go nowhere. Many of those roads lead to the same result as you discovered years ago. Many come to something useful, but nothing you can see any use for at the moment, and might not be used for centuries. Many of these roads can take weeks to explore. So you need to be very intuitive, to spot in your mind's eye, which roads are likely to take you somewhere useful, so you don't waste too much time.
So I can see that it can make sense, so say that N-dominance, and high Ti skills would make one very good at mathematics.
However, this is only the maths that is taught today, because it is divorced from real life. In earlier times, mathematics was used to solve real problems. So you had to look at the real world, and take detailed observations (Si). You also had to ensure that there was total agreement on those observations, because if anyone disagreed on any of those observations, then any logic built on it would not apply to them. So you needed to sense how people felt about those observations, and find the ones everyone was happy with (Fe).
Actually, this might explain why I was so obsessed in my 20s, about finding ways to apply maths to real life (INTP = Ti-Ne-Si-Fe).
FYI, I eat up calculus for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Was my favourite, and my best, subject in maths.
The Ti scores the highest as it's the same as thinking over the Te that's the same as explaining (about "speaking"). Additionally, Se is about seeing anything outside, and one is using that with the tests. The Se+Ti is the faster combination. Ne dominants have Se as their secondary function (the theory might still not agree but it's the case).
The best e.g. chess players (and the test type fastest iNtuitives) are all Ne/Ti's and the best (and the fastest) e.g. poker players and drivers are Se/Ti's.
But that's all test specific; in the future there will be different sets of tests.
Outside of the tests, NTs are the most intelligent as NT is the complete intelligence; ST has just half of it though better in the sensoric matters, and SF has his nt as the secondary pair and so is also half retarded. The NF has st as his secondary pair and even then it's only a half head, though from the NF's point of view they are the only full heads and the NTs are the most retarded with the F at the secondary pair and even then it's only sensoric.
The best e.g. chess players (and the test type fastest iNtuitives) are all Ne/Ti's and the best (and the fastest) e.g. poker players and drivers are Se/Ti's.
But that's all test specific; in the future there will be different sets of tests.
Outside of the tests, NTs are the most intelligent as NT is the complete intelligence; ST has just half of it though better in the sensoric matters, and SF has his nt as the secondary pair and so is also half retarded. The NF has st as his secondary pair and even then it's only a half head, though from the NF's point of view they are the only full heads and the NTs are the most retarded with the F at the secondary pair and even then it's only sensoric.