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Are INTP's bad at sensing other people's emotions?

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I've had people in the past call me callous, arrogant and cold for not caring about their emotions. This is fine most of the time when I really don't give a rats' ass, but when I'm actually trying to be nice, it's quite disconcerting. Are all INTP's bad at appreciating other people's feelings, or is it just me?
 

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I can tell other humans emotions, i just don't care about them.

People told me they feel as if i 'get' them.
Oh well so be it.
I never really understood emotions probably because i never felt much of those
 

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I'm good at detecting other people's intentions, emotions and predicting their behavior. But there just comes a point where I don't care about it - either be cold and rational, or get the hell away from me.
 

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I suppose we keep strict control of our emotions and expect the same from others.

An unrealistic expectation, if not entirely unfair.
 

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I've been thinking about this a little lately and I'm having trouble decideing if I need to change how I react to other's emotions. I don't have a problem picking up on them and in the past my impulse was to give into whatever anyone was feeling, either to justify their feelings for them, or to dis-charge the situation- to avoid further conflict because I thought whatever emotional outburst was happening was already an overreaction and didn't need to continue. This usually amounted to me taking whatever blame was thrown at me. Sometimes I eternalized it and sometimes it just made me resentful of the other person. Lately, however, I haven't been giving in to other's emotions. I'm at the point where I see any over display of emotion to be a manipulation. Intellectually I know this isn't true, but my knee-jerk reaction is to think (or say) go ahead and cry- I stand by what I think and feel right now. While I think this was an important step for me, I don't want to stay in this mode forever. I want to be able to empathize in the moment with those who seem to be having genuine emotional displays. What I don't want is to feel like I'm being manipulated. How does one get there from here?
 

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I used to be horrible at it. And while I was learning it, I started to avoid it. I can't console others, I just get sad/angry/depressed myself. Feeding on good emotions and running from bad. I'm working on it, but it ends up awkward, or making things worse...
 

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Slightly related; I can't tell good acting from bad acting (in movies). I don't understand how people can tell. So I'm not very fine- tuned, I suppose.

Other than that, I think I'm average. Oh, but I've been told I seem emotionless as well.

I think the main problem is me not caring enough about other people's emotions. I usually don't empathize with them. I'm working on it. And I do care a little. I have been genuinely surprised by the emotional response of some, though.

I too have managed to make things worse. I've unintentionally made two of my friends cry...
 

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I usually don't give in to emotion, even though I detected quite easily. I just rationalize that if I give in to emotion and do something that is not the best things to do, I would have to be fair and give in to emotion the next time. The slippery slope end me up with doing all sort of horrible things because people started to realize they can manipulate me using emotion.
I have been called apathetic, but I would rather take that insult than being called irrational.
 

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"Are INTP's bad at sensing other people's emotions?"

Is there squirrel shit in the woods?

Of course we are.

INTPs who think they can read emotions are kidding themselves. Maybe the big ones can get read, but even there, when your girl starts crying after lovemaking but insists she's quite happy and fulfilled, and then laughs hysterically when you drop her family heirloom and it smashes into a thousand tiny pieces, go ahead, figure those out, and adopt the appropriate response modes. HINT: don't start laughing while sweeping up the heirloom.

Good luck.
 

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I do tend to be sensitive to others emotions and quite often mirror people. However this causes me to be confused as to where these ....feelings come from. For example. I will sense that the person next to me is upset or whatever. I will ask them what's wrong, & they will truthfully answer "Nothing". I then realize that it's all in my own head.

As far as caring. Heh. Certain people certain things yes.
On the other hand. Some clingy obnoxious boy from school
who has a likng for me wished to "talk". I said ok and then when he told me that him and his girlfriend broke up I so badly wanted to ask him why it was bad. I just want to say " And that's a bad thing how?" Seriously. I refrained because I didn't wish to guide him to his next suicide attempt.
 

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I've had people in the past call me callous, arrogant and cold for not caring about their emotions. This is fine most of the time when I really don't give a rats' ass, but when I'm actually trying to be nice, it's quite disconcerting. Are all INTP's bad at appreciating other people's feelings, or is it just me?

I've always been hyper sensitive to other people's emotions. That doesn't mean I'm good at dealing with them or knowing what to do, I have just been very good at feeling what others feel in the moment. Someone could be just slightly sad and I can feel it. However, I have no clue what to do about it... so, I guess I come off as cold.

When I am sad or whatever, I do not want someone to come over to me and "comfort" me. Emotional support isn't something I need or want...

Maybe... "thinking support" if anyone is good at offering that. Like, someone with strong Te?

And I'm pretty good about interpreting body language.
 

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"Are INTP's bad at sensing other people's emotions?"

Is there squirrel shit in the woods?

Of course we are.

INTPs who think they can read emotions are kidding themselves. Maybe the big ones can get read, but even there, when your girl starts crying after lovemaking but insists she's quite happy and fulfilled, and then laughs hysterically when you drop her family heirloom and it smashes into a thousand tiny pieces, go ahead, figure those out, and adopt the appropriate response modes. HINT: don't start laughing while sweeping up the heirloom.

Good luck.
Being able to sense other's emotion is different from being able to explain where it comes from, explain the reason, and knowing how to response.
 

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Being able to sense other's emotion is different from being able to explain where it comes from, explain the reason, and knowing how to response.


Point taken, but I still think a lot of us have trouble knowing what emotion we're seeing much of the time, unless it's blatantly obvious by being accompanied by language like "screw you" or 'I want to have your baby" or something. :storks:
 

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Point taken, but I still think a lot of us have trouble knowing what emotion we're seeing much of the time, unless it's blatantly obvious by being accompanied by language like "screw you" or 'I want to have your baby" or something.

MBTI isn't exactly a top-of-the-line typing technique, it's more like "farting in the puddle" (it's Russian humor, sorry :rolleyes:) than a solid hypothesis. Still, I do agree that INTP have trouble sorting out their own emotions. From my experience I can say that I reach a dead end trying to understand other's behavior/emotions towards me, but I can see just fine what other people are up to and how they'll behave.
 

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My parents smacked me around for being apathetic, so I can at least pretend to listen. When it comes to replying, that's more difficult.

I've learned to say what other people do in bad situations. You don't get any points for originality...You can also just be quiet and look concerned, as long as you have figured out how to pull it off I guess.

If someone starts freaking out in front of me I figure they are either on something or need to be on something. Sometimes I get an explanation for it, so it's just a matter of dealing.

Also, if you understand the MBTI/Jung's theory, why don't you use it? That's how I keep from going f'ing insane.
 

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I can usually detect other peoples emotions but I don't understand why they act the way they do. that is, of course i detect their feelings AFTER i hurt them :)
 

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I usually cannot recognize other's emotions well. They need to be exaggerating or pointedly telling me how the feel for me to notice.
 

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You can also just be quiet and look concerned, as long as you have figured out how to pull it off I guess.

Sort of like Nicolas Cage?

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Yes... and no. I feel I am good at sensing what others feel, but not so good at reacting appropriately to their feelings in a way that is socially expected. I guess I don't give the socially acceptable reaction, mostly because I don't care to give a response that isn't purely felt on my part. That, or I over analyze why they feel a certain way instead of feeling empathy to their situation.
 

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I'm actually pretty good at figuring out what people are feeling, the problem comes when I try to respond to them. I just don't friggin know what people want to hear I guess, lol. Though I do remember my ex telling me I have no soul. Oh well, what do they know.:evil:
 

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Maybe I am.:phear:

I was once the fool. Zero The Fool. But now I'm not, you are the Fool! (Or a cleverly disguised ninja...)

And yeah, he does look constipated...
 

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I just don't friggin know what people want to hear I guess, lol. Though I do remember my ex telling me I have no soul. Oh well, what do they know.:evil:

Just this afternoon I was telling a friend that she was fired because she over-sold her Masters degree, but in the end I looked like I was telling her she was stupid.

I tempered each statement so that I could be as clear as possible and to show that I meant no harm, but she still felt offended. I don't even have a Masters, so there's no condescension here.

But occasionally I would like to have a conversation where I can tell someone exactly how I see it and they take it as constructive criticism.
 

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A lot of people are saying they can sense it but don't know how to respond. I think I'm like that too, to a degree. If I know WHY they're feeling what they feel then I can probably react accordingly.

Most of the time I'd be totally oblivious to my surroundings with that glazed look in my eyes, my mind light years away pondering the mechanics of alien finger joints, and suddenly my radar picks up a disturbance in the emotional atmosphere - something is amiss. But I can't identify it EXACTLY. Is more towards anger than frustration? Depression than heartbroken? I don't know why they're feeling that way so I can't hop down the happy trail of cause and effect and compute the best possible things to say. Being an INTP presented with an emotional affair I don't understand, my mind naturally runs for the hills and my mouth goes on muscle memory auto-pilot, which usually ends up being sarcasm and makes me look like a cold blooded beast from hell...

On the other hand if I know exactly what they're feeling and why, like something I have felt myself and picked and nibbled in my brain until its in a nice little line of stone pebbles one after another, I can put their feelings into words and most of the time it's a bullseye. I've had a lot of friends tell me that I've just said out loud things they feel but can't even put into coherent sentences in their heads.
 

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An observation: I've noticed a couple of folks noting in a joking way that they can easily read people, especially after they've annoyed them to the point where they get a reaction. How many of us keep pushing until we get an identifiable reaction so we can pin it down and deal with it? :) It could be an unconscious thing.

I'm thinking too much again.
 

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^Actually, I tend to do this a lot. I call it "pushing people's buttons". I poke and prod until I understand how they tick. What pisses them off and what they will unfailing respond well to. However, I don't really see emotions as a big black box like so many here do. I know what people want. It just exhausts me to give it to them. Especially if they need a long conversation about how their boyfriend "totally sucks".

Most people just want somebody to listen and all I have to do in response is say a lot of "oh really?", "oh that's cool!", "that sucks", "geeze what a jerk", "OMG! Who DOES that?" and what not. After a while it does become really shallow and tiresome but it makes people happy. I tend to think of this process as the grease that keeps the social system lubricated. If I don't at least pretend to care and give people the reassurance they are looking for then there is discontent. There is no reason for them to help me should I need them because I refuse to "help" them by listening.

I used to think of this process as manipulative but then I realized I was looking at it the wrong way. It's mutually beneficial not manipulative for two people to give each other the things they need. Most people need, want, desire emotional reassurance and the notion that somebody in this world cares about them or at least they want to have some attention for a few minutes. It's not too hard for me to help them out with this and then later they can help me out with something I might need. It's like my cats. They need, want, demand that I pet them and give them food. In return I get the mouse population under control. Mutually beneficial. Besides we both enjoy the petting. I've found that after years of experience working with people it can also be enjoyable for me as it is for them to banter back and forth and bitch about cruddy lives/experiences.

All that being said, I do tend to carefully choose the people I call "friend". I'm able to be friendly to most but the ones I keep around I suspect are NT like myself and we have fun conversations. I know how to make an E, S, F, or a J happy but I'm much more comfortable with an NT of some sort. Although, there are a lot of selfish self-centered people out there. They can suck it.:D
 

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I used to think of this process as manipulative but then I realized I was looking at it the wrong way. It's mutually beneficial not manipulative for two people to give each other the things they need. Most people need, want, desire emotional reassurance and the notion that somebody in this world cares about them or at least they want to have some attention for a few minutes.
Recently, I have thought this to be manipulative as well but I think you have a good point. At times though, I don't want to reassure someone I don't feel truly needs reassuring, especially when that person does not try to see both sides. On the other hand, I am sometimes a poor judge of whether or not someone needs comfort.
 

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An observation: I've noticed a couple of folks noting in a joking way that they can easily read people, especially after they've annoyed them to the point where they get a reaction. How many of us keep pushing until we get an identifiable reaction so we can pin it down and deal with it? :) It could be an unconscious thing.

I'm thinking too much again.

Interesting idea. I've found myself doing this on occasion. I push people's buttons just to figure out how they'll react, what their limits are. Sometimes I do it without thinking, and have to hold myself back.

And yeah I do actually pick up on people's emotions readily, but I have no fucking clue how to respond to them. My way of "comforting" is to offer a logical explanation for their issues, and most of the time people don't want that. All they want is someone to agree with them, no matter how off base they may be.
 

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And yeah I do actually pick up on people's emotions readily, but I have no fucking clue how to respond to them. My way of "comforting" is to offer a logical explanation for their issues, and most of the time people don't want that. All they want is someone to agree with them, no matter how off base they may be.

That’s exactly how I do it. I have pushed away one or two friends because of this, but I just can’t bring myself to agree with them – I feel like I’d ultimately be doing them a disservice. Friggin’ emotions.
 

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An x GF told me once "I don't want you to fix my problems, I just want you to listen to them." That went a long way in our relationship.
 

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Hmm ... bad at sensing other people's emotions?

I think a couple other people in this thread have said this, but no, I'm not bad at sensing other people's emotions - I just give little credence to them.

Where this most often comes up is in arguments. My approach to any argument is always logical, and I treat the other person's ego as much as an object of scrutiny as the argument itself. If I notice a person is arguing completely illogically about x subject, I'll first point out all the logical flaws and contradictions in their argument, and then I'll point out that this is obviously an emotionally charged subject for them, and often suggest a source for this emotion (if I know of a likely one). No easier way to infuriate somebody!

But the point is I quickly detect the emotional centres of the argument, as they're the parts most likely to produce in terms of logic incoherent gibberish. My lack of concern for the feelings behind these is rooted in the fact that most of the time when people are arguing about something their offended feelings are essentially narcissistic. People tend to hate other people, other concepts, other groups, based most often on a personal offence to their ego, outside the bounds of logic. Many people argue not out of a concern for truth, but out of a desire to solidify their ego. I do this also - but I often afterwards realize I've done it, and garner a greater self-knowledge, which is the only way any of us can approach truth.

My feeling is that if one allows one's perception to be driven by one's emotional wishes, one is ultimately blinding oneself to truth. This is bad enough on its own, insofar as it's an offence to Truth, which is a concept I think any intelligent INTP cares very strongly about, but it's also bad insofar as being unaware of the *source* of one's emotions leads to one being controlled by them. See King Lear, which is paramount to a parable about wishful emotions versus logic and Truth.

Logic is a force that stands outside people's egotistical wishes. Only on logic can true justice be founded. And logic and justice to large extent requires subordination of a variety of negative selfish emotions, of which the average individual is full.

That said, I've been talking about disputes and arguments, of which daily life is full. The other side of the coin is relationships. And I have no patience with INTPs who have no sensitivity towards the emotional needs of their partners. If they lose their partners because of this, it's deserved (something I myself have suffered in the past). INTPs are as emotional as any other type - our biggest pitfall is assuming we're always logical and correct, whereas in reality we're often driven not by logic but by our emotions; logic is often merely a weapon we wield for our own ends. Understanding our own emotions and the emotions of the people we care about is an incredibly important job for the INTP, and any INTP who disregards developing empathy for those who deserve it deserves contempt in my eyes.
 

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Nice post Robert.

Wish I was better at empathy. I suppose the desire to improve it indicates something.
 

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I think we have more trouble with our own emotions than with those of other people. I can usually tell what people are thinking, it's just a matter of whether or not I care, i.e. whether or not I like the person. If it's someone I really don't give a damn about, I'll be quite happy to ignore the fact that they're shouting/crying/laughing/etc. It's not so much that we don't sense people's emotions as that we can't really be bothered to handle them. It's not a matter of, "I don't know how you feel, eek", but rather, "I know how you feel, but you're stupid and it's stupid and you've got no reason to feel like that and you should just shut up, so I'm just going to let you shit out facial expressions and sounds until you've exhausted yourself".
 

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i can detect othe peoples emotions just fine. iam just not sure how to react to them. i think like other INTPs that i dont really understand my own emotions at all. just now trying to get out of the relm of posative negative and neutral.
 

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Hmmm to carry on the same train of logic as Jordan... I am 'old-school' and was brought up in a spartan-like military household where emotional displays were judged as intolerable and "stupid". If we cried as a result of corporeal punishment we received additional lashes. Lack of control of emotions was viewed as a horrible kind of weakness, a character flaw...
At the time, I viewed such an attitude as merely sadistic and without merit.

However, at some point I internalized that viewpoint (LOL perhaps once I developed the self control necessary to repress all emotional expression) . I do think still, that by a survivalist's standard, emotional displays are an indication of inferior character. That is harsh, but if one does not learn to control his or her emotions, then control of those emotions passes unto someone than can. It is a matter of self-preservation, because emotional manipulation is pretty much a staple in many social predators' arsenals...

The question I never was able to resolve is how to deal with people when they are weak and emotional, especially when that may be just an act on their parts to gain sympathy or a ploy at manipulation. I figure people pretty much reap what they sow, so if a person is going through a hard time, emotionally, it is most likely because of a mistake that they made and not anyone else's fault.

Needless to say, I do not provide a shoulder to cry on and maybe, in this world, that is all anyone really needs - is an opportunity to be weak and human for just a short time...

Who knows?
 

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I'd love to be a shoulder to cry on. Sometimes I accidentally push people away instead, by staying rational when they want me to be empathetic. I don't know how to do both.
 

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I can sense the general idea of whether someone's in a good or bad mood. You don't even have to look at the person, just analyze their words. People in a bad mood exaggerate every negative thing, often using words like "always" and "never" to describe things that do not happen always or never.

In a good mood, people are more welcoming of new information and seem more enthusiastic to explore the conversation, rather than just subject you to their rant. They also tend to make silly plans you both know will never come to fruition, but it's okay, cause at least they're happy dammit.

Beyond that though, I have a hard time knowing exactly how to describe others' emotions. This is especially difficult when there's a bit of a grey area involved, with their emotions being neither 'good' nor 'bad', per se. I'm also very maladaptive to people's mood swings. I cannot seem to fathom how people are suddenly all giddy and happy when they were emo freaks just a few moments ago. Aside from winning the lottery, I can't figure out what happened, usually.
 

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I've had people in the past call me callous, arrogant and cold for not caring about their emotions. This is fine most of the time when I really don't give a rats' ass, but when I'm actually trying to be nice, it's quite disconcerting. Are all INTP's bad at appreciating other people's feelings, or is it just me?

I was too accused of this many times earlier.

Its was quite justifyable to some extent.

Actually..the thing I found is that most of the times I have a protective shield which guides me from emotional turmoil. criticism(although I intended it to b constructive),being cold ,etc is all aprt of it in my opinion

Later I learnt to use this shield when necessary, like when some stupid decisions are being taken based on emotions.

otherwise in most situations I just keep quite.
I don't utter a word, and suprisingly I just discovered how important it was for me to keep quite at times, if ppl say ur wrong...it is right in thier perspectives, its then all a matter of which perspective you think is right(or a balance of diff. perspectives) which defines what I do.

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ur question answer(in my opinion)
I believe INTPs are subtly aware of feelings of other ppl..its only that they choose not to pay heed to them(I found this with myself) that results in what u said.
 

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This is supposedly an aspergers / autism trait. I am autistic to a degree but I'm not sure if I have this problem. I usually detect emotional undertones with people. In fact I'm almost like a sponge sometimes. The problem is I don't know how to react because my own emotions get in the way.

I tend to overinternalize, e.g. if someone is giving me lots of stress/anxiety vibes I'll get anxious myself and might respond in an inappropriate way. I tend to snap back at people when I should try to help them calm down instead. Usually I can barely handle my own stress so when someone else starts acting really stressed it puts me over the edge.
 

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I have a slightly developed F that I'm trying hard to work on. I'm in seminary, so having an F side is imparitive... I love theology and philosophy, but the whole working with humans scares me a little... I might move over into studying law.
 

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This is an issue that, IMO, is much more disconcerting to female INTPs than male INTPs. It's socially acceptable for a man not to have feelings, but society expects women to be emotional.

BTW, I wouldn't say that I'm bad at sensing the emotions of others. I just don't care, and I mean that in the nicest possible way.
 

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I'm good at reading other people, and it's not hard for me to understand how they're feeling. I easily pick up on changes in people's moods and behavior. It's usually not too difficult for me to figure out why they're feeling the way they're feeling either. Although people tend to feel comfortable telling me things, so I guess that makes it easier. While I understand people's feelings, I rarely empathize with them. Like others here have said, I just don't really care. I try to seem like I care though, but it doesn't always work. My ex ENFP girlfriend was extremely emotional, and she'd always come to me crying and needing someone to talk to. It was exhausting sitting with her and listening to her complain about things I found to be kind of trivial. My own emotions are what confuse me. On average I'm not very emotional at all, but when I am I tend to find it difficult to figure out exactly why I'm feeling what I'm feeling, especially when I can rationalize not having those feelings, but I continue to have them anyway. I don't talk about my feelings, and I've been told many times through out my life by people close to me that they felt I didn't trust them, because I didn't openly express how I feel, when they're always telling me how they feel. I was never good at explaining that it didn't feel natural to me. I've been working on it though, especially with my current boyfriend. It's been interesting to say the least, I can't say I enjoy it though. On the other hand, I've been told I give good advice. I'm not the right person to go to if you just want sympathy though. I'm not very good at listening to problems with out giving possible solutions to it. A lot of the time that's not what people are looking for though.

I've been called callous recently actually. By a customer at work. He appreciated it though luckily, and shook my hand and introduced himself. It was kind of amusing.

In all seriousness I have been called heartless, insensitive, and emotionless by other people.

I think a lot of you have said similar things to what I just said.
 
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