Animal Type

[Perseus]

Hello,

First post

What animal would you allocate to the INTP and to the ENTP?

My system building tendency wants animal types allocated to all personality types.


Cheers

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

Not a Dragon. This is INFP. I was attacked by an ESFJ and suffered temporary brain damage and this changed my personality for a year to INFP. I felt very strange!

 

[murkrow]

Bull?!

 

[murkrow]

Okay I disagree with a few of these.

Bull, snake, eagle, dragon (huh?)

Okay, I'll start off with ENTJ

ENTJs are planners, they don't simply charge forth in any direction. A possible match for ENTJ is lion if you look at the lioness hunting strategies, the fearsome appearance of the males and the competitive nature of the males.

ENTPs are the most liked of all types, I don't see how you can attach a snake to that. I think something like a dolphin might be most appropriate, intelligent, social and warm blooded.

INTPs are much more shy than eagles. An eagle is a military symbol! I would go with cats for INTP, or more likely owl.

INFP are dragons? They aren't all that special. Yes they are reclusive and "mysterious" but dragons they ain't. Octopus, Fox, Lynx... all these work.

Skylark?! Have you ever met an INFJ? Think wondrous. Think of the animal that personifies beauty that needs protection and that's an INFJ. Butterfly, swan...

most of the other types I don't know that well but I really don't like your direction on this.\


yeah, I'm judge dread.

 

[Ogion]

Since i like cats the most of all animals, i would also put cats to INTP. But then, it's a bit futile. There is really too little information to judge this on. On what basis then are they to fit into a type? By the response of a human to that animal? By fairy tale characteristics of animals (say fox cunning...)?

Ogion

 

[Perseus]

Hello,

This is the list.

I have no reason to change my mind yet.

> ENFJ: "Teacher" = WOLF 5% Educating [Givers]
> ENFP: "Journalist" = FERRET 3% Motivating (Champion) [Inspirors]
> ENTJ: "Field Marshall" = BULL 5% Mobilizing [Executives]
> ENTP: "Inventor" = SNAKE 5% Devising [Visionaries]
> ESFJ: "Seller" = HORSE 13% Supplying (Provider) [Care Givers]
> ESFP: "Entertainer" = BUTTERFLY 13% Demonstrating (Performer)
> ESTJ: "Administrator" = RAT 13% Enforcing [Guardians]
> ESTP: "Promoter" = TIGER 13% Persuading [Doers]
> INFJ: "Author" = SKYLARK 1% Guiding (Counselor)
> INFP: "Questor = DRAGON 1.25% (Males 0.6%) Conciliating (Healer)
> INTJ: "Scientist" = HAWK 1% Entailing (part of Arranging)
(Mastermind)
> INTP: "Architect" = EAGLE 1% Designing
> ISFJ: "Conservator" = MOUSE 6% Securing (Protector) [Nurturers]
> ISFP: "Artist" = CAT 5% Synthesizing (part of Composing)
> ISTJ: "Trustee" = DOG 6% Certifying [Duty Fillers]
> ISTP: "Artisan" = BEAR 5% Instrumenting [Mechanics]

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

 

[Perseus]

Okay I disagree with a few of these.

Bull, snake, eagle, dragon (huh?)

Okay, I'll start off with ENTJ

ENTJs are planners, they don't simply charge forth in any direction. A possible match for ENTJ is lion if you look at the lioness hunting strategies, the fearsome appearance of the males and the competitive nature of the males.

ENTPs are the most liked of all types, I don't see how you can attach a snake to that. I think something like a dolphin might be most appropriate, intelligent, social and warm blooded.

INTPs are much more shy than eagles. An eagle is a military symbol! I would go with cats for INTP, or more likely owl.

INFP are dragons? They aren't all that special. Yes they are reclusive and "mysterious" but dragons they ain't. Octopus, Fox, Lynx... all these work.

Skylark?! Have you ever met an INFJ? Think wondrous. Think of the animal that personifies beauty that needs protection and that's an INFJ. Butterfly, swan...

most of the other types I don't know that well but I really don't like your direction on this.\


yeah, I'm judge dread.

Hello,

I would definitely peg you as an INTJ Hawk.

You may be able to morph-shift to other forms.

Hawks can't see how Dragons operate. None of the judging types can*, they switch off their perception to a different type of personality.

(*Except possibly the most dangerous Unicorn ESFJ variant)

The Skylarks can see the Dragon at least in part. Skylarks defy Eagle logic.

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

PS: ENTPs are hated by Unicorns and despised by Horses, and Wolves do not like them either.

Horses think Snakes are Champion the Wonder Horse and feel under threat.

Camels don't like Snakes either.

http://soredragon.blogspot.com/2008/06/serpent-transforming-to-eagle.html

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

 

[loveofreason]

If you check out the INTJ Forum you'll find they have an overwhelming preference for wolves.

 

[murkrow]

Until I am given clearance to say whatever I wish to you without risk of being banned from this forum I will hold my tongue.

 

[murkrow]

Okay.

Now let me tell you first of all that I find this idea quite interesting and was actually working on something similar to it around the time i joined this forum.

As previously stated, it's unclear what images of the animal you're invoking in this. Is it based on the human interaction/idea of the animal or it's place in the animal kingdom? It seems to me you're using a mixture of both, which is a possible approach but you must maintain constancy in how you are looking at the animals.

Also, you are presenting the list with no justification for the associations. If this thing is going to have any weight then the associations either need to be perfectly acceptable at first glimpse (which they absolutely are not) or have suitable explanation.

I am an ENTJ and not an INTJ, just by the way.

Do not make these claims that judging types are incapable of understanding the FP types, there is nothing magical about you that evades logical understanding. You are a human being, nothing more.

No system can be complete without input of both judges and perceiving people.

 

[Jordan~]

INTP is the owl, of course. The wise observer with an analytical eye who listens more than speaks.

 

[Ogion]

Hawks can't see how Dragons operate. None of the judging types can*, they switch off their perception to a different type of personality.

(*Except possibly the most dangerous Unicorn ESFJ variant)

The Skylarks can see the Dragon at least in part. Skylarks defy Eagle logic.

Sorry? Really, now i would really ask you to give us some insight in your characterisations of these 'animals'.
So, give us a list, with the characteristics or qualities/properties of your 'animals' and/or the basis of these (id est: do they come from interaction with these 'animals', which would be kind of complicated with dragons and unicorns..., or do they come from 'common' fairytale? Fairytale from where? Tolkien, Harry Potter, Chinese, Maya.....?), and then we can come to a more serious discussion.

Ogion

 

[Perseus]

Sorry? Really, now i would really ask you to give us some insight in your characterisations of these 'animals'.
So, give us a list, with the characteristics or qualities/properties of your 'animals' and/or the basis of these (id est: do they come from interaction with these 'animals', which would be kind of complicated with dragons and unicorns..., or do they come from 'common' fairytale? Fairytale from where? Tolkien, Harry Potter, Chinese, Maya.....?), and then we can come to a more serious discussion.

Ogion

It is the standard list and the relationships in Please Understand Me II. All I have done is add the animals. I arrived at these independently, but their originality could be questioned by convergent imagination (or not as the case may be).

The Dragons and Unicorns have been recorded in literature through the ages, giving them a meme quality, with a possibility of different interpretations. The way Wolves behave, mostly in packs, co-operative is contrasted with the lonely Hawk.

More at another time.

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

 

[Perseus]

Sorry? Really, now i would really ask you to give us some insight in your characterisations of these 'animals'.
So, give us a list, with the characteristics or qualities/properties of your 'animals' and/or the basis of these (id est: do they come from interaction with these 'animals', which would be kind of complicated with dragons and unicorns..., or do they come from 'common' fairytale? Fairytale from where? Tolkien, Harry Potter, Chinese, Maya.....?), and then we can come to a more serious discussion.

Ogion

Hello

This seems like a Questor INFP reply. Dragons are here!

You will be sorry if the Guards find out!

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

 

[loveofreason]

Hey, just moved the thread because it seems more of a typing topic than philosophy.

I also echo the general sentiment, Perseus: a little more explanation would go a long way.

When you're ready.

 

[murkrow]

Hello

This seems like a Questor INFP reply. Dragons are here!

You will be sorry if the Guards find out!

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

Are you mocking us or something?

 

[Ogion]

Hello

This seems like a Questor INFP reply. Dragons are here!

You will be sorry if the Guards find out!

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

Well now i am seriously without understanding. If you want a discussion, be sensible, meaning give us a basic definition of what you are after. If not, don't expect many answers^

Ogion

 

[Jesin]

Hello

This seems like a Questor INFP reply. Dragons are here!

You will be sorry if the Guards find out!

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

Not to me it doesn't. Asking for more information to get the discussion to mean something is not at all unusual for Rationals (NTs).

What was that post for, anyway? I can't figure out what you meant. Please try to make sense.

 

[Dissident]

I dont mean to insult, but his posts look so close to spam that when I saw the first ones I almost reported it.
Looks like he is advertising his blog or something.

 

[Mischz]

YES YES. He looks like he is trying to advertise his blog. That's exactly what I thought!

Other than that I can't grasp how his viewpoints materialise...

 

[Jesin]

Hmm. Yes, his behavior does make more sense if you look at it that way. That could be it.

Should he be banned?

 

[Dissident]

Take a minute and look at his posts outside this thread, I think he should be, but its not my call of course.

 

[Perseus]

INTP is the owl, of course. The wise observer with an analytical eye who listens more than speaks.

If you fly during the daytime, I will see you said the Eagle.

There are a few popular sub-animals. Butterfly or Spider, Hawl or Owl, Skylark or Budgie. Horse or Unicorn. etc.

Each animal type could be subdivided 16 times to give 256 animals, or cross-referenced with astrology (I have not studied this) to give 192 animals which would fill up a book.

How they arrived:

Intuition


Darwin's Origin of Species flashed complete in one second, and he spent the rest of his life backing it up; and the theory of relativity occurred to Einstein in the time it takes to clap your hands. This is the greatest mystery of the human mind—the inductive leap. Everything falls into place, irrelevancies relate, dissonance becomes harmony, and nonsense wears a crown of meaning. - (John Steinbeck)


I do want to spend a long time justifying them. I could say they arrived after reading David Keirsey's book, but it was not true. I knew intuitively all the time, I just waited until now to write it down. Keirseys book helped me a little with the charcter types I was unfamiliar with.

I was pleased with the Skylark choice as these characters are a bit of a mystery to me. I was pleased I changed the original choice Peacock to Butterfly.


Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

 

[Perseus]

Not to me it doesn't. Asking for more information to get the discussion to mean something is not at all unusual for Rationals (NTs).

What was that post for, anyway? I can't figure out what you meant. Please try to make sense.

It all seems rather simple to me according to the Keirsey book.

Guardians are one of the four temperamental types with Artisans, Idealists and Rationals. Thse guardians guard the institutions against change (it is all in the book and clear enough anyway) and some of the other personality types, especially Snakes (ENTP) don't drink from a stagnant pool, and I do not expect INTPs would put up with an unchanging world, although with some of these judgement replies (Guardians are good at judging without perception).

Crystal in a room with four doors.

 

[loveofreason]

Let me share a theory:

Thoughtful person, bit of a misfit, meets with one of life's Cruel Blows. Retreats to Cave of the Mind to dwell with the experience - to understand Why? and How? Reads a lot. Researches. After applying all the resources of the mind succeeds in turning defeat into wisdom and pain into light. Emerges with Personal Grand Theory of Everything.

But this has been a solitary journey. Our subject has developed their own lingo, an amalgam of jargons and idiosyncratic symbolisms. It is now the language of their Large and Sensible Inner Voice, but has never been used in communication with the Great Outside. It has not been tried in dialogue; it has not developed in sympathy with listeners.

Despite the language barrier, our subject feels the need to share the Obvious Truth of their Theory. Casts about for an audience. Bursts into a room of theoretically like-minded individuals, with disregard for the (basic as it is) social etiquette, espousing in the nigh incomprehensible language of their mind. Meets with suspicion. Non-comprehension. Offends and frustrates would-be fellows. Fails to open discussion.

Potentially Great Idea is sacrificed to the Enormity of Cultural Gulf. Even among Rationals some will come forward to defend their Principality against Intruders.

Conclusion: Subject is one of the Changed. They have undergone a psychological speciation that prohibits intercourse with those once of their ilk.


Human stories are full of characters that become isolated from and/or wounded by their culture, undertake a transformative process - roll in the metaphorical mud - and return all Wrong (from the originating culture's standpoint.) Look Wrong. Smell Wrong. Sound Wrong. The Gem of Knowledge they attempt to bring back to their People is lost.

Perseus, if you want to liberate others from the shackles of their mind; if you want to share your insight, you're simply going to have to moderate your voice so that you can be understood. Explain in the language of the listener. Your personal idiom is making a (distrusted) Stranger of you.

 

[Aphasia]

I agree with Jesin (and love). We don't seem to be receiving info on the same wavelengths that you transmit them. Also, the thread seems somewhat derailed.

On topic: I'm not too clear as to the reasoning to your choice of animals. Do you have comprehensive descriptions to their characteristics linked up or written somewhere? If you do, bring them out and we can start discussions.

 

[Ogion]

@loveofreason: Beautifully written, really

@Perseus
I am not quarding my beliefs against something new. I am trying to understand what you say, but till now, i am not very successful. If what loveofreasen said fits you, then please, slow down a bit, just for helping us on the way.

OnTopic: So, the basics of your idea is, that one can compare 'animals' with the types. I would defenitely agree, that there are characterisations of animals, personification if you will, which would support that idea. My question now is, how do you come to the concrete characterisations of yours, and what are they? And this really is a question with expectation of an answer, and the expectation to consider the answer and my previous stand on that topic, compare them, and see what i see as better according to 'reality'. So please, i am curious to learn and not some 'guardian' who just wans to prevent his view from change.

Ogion

P.S.: Ok, forget my answer in one of your poll threads, i do now consider you as a real person and someone with an idea to contribute.

 

[Perseus]

Let me share a theory:

Thoughtful person, bit of a misfit, meets with one of life's Cruel Blows. Retreats to Cave of the Mind to dwell with the experience - to understand Why? and How? Reads a lot. Researches. After applying all the resources of the mind succeeds in turning defeat into wisdom and pain into light. Emerges with Personal Grand Theory of Everything.

Hello,

Quite perceptive. I was operating in INFP Dragon mode. You will have to do the reesearch on this type.

Dragon seems to be true to type, hiding away in his/her barrow most of the time before going on flights.

Variants are Diogenes pugilator, the Hermit Crab in its shell, the Crocodile with the tears you cannot see, the Terrapin etc.

In the Christian property culture with all the Guardians who really do not care too much for Dragons at all. (See Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!).

This is the character allocation I know most about. The other ones may not be quite so accurate, but I would need a suggestion for a better change.

I am not sure of my analysis, but the arrival of the names may be Introverted Sensing followed by Extraverted Intuition. This may also be an example of morph-shifting on changing types, called emotional growth. However, it does seem by reading Kiersey the original patterns are set very early in life.

But the whole Jungian system is a meme and it may be an illusion. Inner world problems solved does not equate with solving them in the outer world. Outer world problems can intrude on the inner world.

INTPs and INFPs together may only comprise 2% of the population, so he are going to be in the fringe theatre of the mainstream of life, even if we are strategic planner designing the transport system of tommorrow. The Bull (ENTJ) will be Commander in Chief (and get the credit and hopefully the brickbats).

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

Question for students: define brickbat (Guardians will come up with a different answer to Idealists and Rationals INs)

 

[Perseus]

@loveofreason: Beautifully written, really

@Perseus
OnTopic: So, the basics of your idea is, that one can compare 'animals' with the types. I would defenitely agree, that there are characterisations of animals, personification if you will, which would support that idea. My question now is, how do you come to the concrete characterisations of yours, and what are they? Ogion

P.S.: Ok, forget my answer in one of your poll threads, i do now consider you as a real person and someone with an idea to contribute.

Hello,

Animal types mentioned before and the basic ones are at:
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/2008/06/modern-animism-world.html

Guardians are the Clubs type:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirsey_Temperament_Sorter

The animal types were chosen by Inutition. It took about two minutes, and Skylark took about half the time. Half an hour later, I changed Peacock to Butterfly.

It might be Introverted Sensing followed by Extraverted Intuition, but I get confused by these more detailed psychological terms.

I had probably an intuitive Jungian outlook a long time before (ever since I can remember) I read Keirsey.

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/2008/06/intuition.html

http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

 

[Ogion]

Ok, then the charactereistics of these animals are probably the most common in your culture. Would you like to explain each animal with short comment? Because i am sure, that there are differences of how one connotates different character traits with animals in different cultures (like "Western Culture" to"asian Culture" or on a lower level like USA and Germany, from where i come from). Of course i am most interested in the characterisation of the Eagle, since he would 'apply' to most of us on this forum.

Ogion

 

[Dissident]

I wonder if it has any real significance, is it just another way to call the types? I dont think it can go beyond the way the types have already been defined. We can find methaphorical similarities with animals but since there is no real relation it doesnt add anything to it. If its just for the fun of it and to have more representative names than four cold letters then cool.

 

[Ogion]

Yes, i thought that too. Like the professions, they stick to the types (i.e. 'Architect', 'Teacher' and so on).

Ogion

 

[Perseus]

Ok, then the charactereistics of these animals are probably the most common in your culture. Would you like to explain each animal with short comment? Because i am sure, that there are differences of how one connotates different character traits with animals in different cultures (like "Western Culture" to"asian Culture" or on a lower level like USA and Germany, from where i come from). Of course i am most interested in the characterisation of the Eagle, since he would 'apply' to most of us on this forum.

Ogion

A challenge. I will do a few notes spontaneously.

> ENFJ: "Teacher" = WOLF 5% Educating [Givers]
Found in packs and gang up on others with the leader of the pack high on charisma.
> ENFP: "Journalist" = FERRET 3% Motivating (Champion) [Inspirors]
Enthusiastic hunter and ferreter out of information.
> ENTJ: "Field Marshall" = BULL 5% Mobilizing [Executives]
Highly protective of the herd. Big boss animal. Leader of the stampede when all the other naimals that cannot fly are ground to dust.
> ENTP: "Inventor" = SNAKE 5% Devising [Visionaries]
Alien system and cannot her the words, only feel the vibrations.
> ESFJ: "Seller" = HORSE 13% Supplying (Provider) [Care Givers]
Wild horses are terrifying, but they can be tamed.
> ESFP: "Entertainer" = BUTTERFLY 13% Demonstrating (Performer)
Males are often more colourful. Lots of caterpillar style practice and shine briefly.
> ESTJ: "Administrator" = RAT 13% Enforcing [Guardians]
Do the dirty work with tunnel vision.
> ESTP: "Promoter" = TIGER 13% Persuading [Doers]
Ferocious predator, but not malicious.
> INFJ: "Author" = SKYLARK 1% Guiding (Counselor)
Very complicated singing the tune.
> INFP: "Questor = DRAGON 1.25% (Males 0.6%) Conciliating (Healer)
Sleeps in his barrow and sometimes goes on flights. Unknown.
> INTJ: "Scientist" = HAWK 1% Entailing (part of Arranging)
(Mastermind)
Penetrating eyesight with talons.
> INTP: "Architect" = EAGLE 1% Designing
High in the clouds with talons.
> ISFJ: "Conservator" = MOUSE 6% Securing (Protector) [Nurturers]
Follows the same old trails (rule book) and can contaminate, but nice and cute if clean.
> ISFP: "Artist" = CAT 5% Synthesizing (part of Composing)
Goods where she enjoys best advnatage. Independent and unfaithful if neglected.
> ISTJ: "Trustee" = DOG 6% Certifying [Duty Fillers]
Pack animal tamed by his Master.
> ISTP: "Artisan" = BEAR 5% Instrumenting [Mechanics]
If you are good the Bears will go to the picnic. Big and unstoppable if they want something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirsey_Temperament_Sorter

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

 

[murkrow]

I really don't appreciate being called a bull.

 

[Perseus]

I wonder if it has any real significance, is it just another way to call the types? I dont think it can go beyond the way the types have already been defined. We can find methaphorical similarities with animals but since there is no real relation it doesnt add anything to it. If its just for the fun of it and to have more representative names than four cold letters then cool.

I find animal names easier to remember.

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

 

[Perseus]

Ok, then the charactereistics of these animals are probably the most common in your culture. Would you like to explain each animal with short comment? Because i am sure, that there are differences of how one connotates different character traits with animals in different cultures (like "Western Culture" to"asian Culture" or on a lower level like USA and Germany, from where i come from). Of course i am most interested in the characterisation of the Eagle, since he would 'apply' to most of us on this forum.

Ogion

Hello,

Animal types origin is in character to be Extravert Intuition followed by Introvert Sensing. I think this is how the Animal Names evolved.

I have posted a brief description of the animals as a reply but the post (like many others has been delayed).

I put them on the blog at:
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/2008/07/modern-animism-world.html

Andy


Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

 

[Anti-socialite]

Chameleon

 

[Perseus]

Chameleon

I have allocated Chameleon to a ENTP variant.

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/

 

[loveofreason]

I really don't appreciate being called a bull.

What particularly offends you?

The Bull has had centuries of revered worship as a symbol of potency and power. Isn't the Egyptian ankh supposedly derived from the appearance of part of the bovine skeleton? (Sorry, obscure memory... too lazy to look it up.)

Anyway, it seems accurate to correspond the ENTJ persona with that of a powerful leader.


Now that the rationale behind the choices is explained I can see how they make sense. ENTP = snake, being based on the strong intuitive ('vibrational') preference is particularly clear.

But these animal types aren't necessarily how the MBTI types will appear to everyone. I would suggest that what animal you appear to be depends on the angle (the MBTI type) of the viewer as much as it depends on the viewee.

If we want to objectively type people then the Myers-Briggs system is as good as anything. Allocating animal types has to be subjective. So I can only say that I relate to the subjective view offered here, meaning I must be viewing, or capable of viewing, from somewhere not too far removed from Perseus.

 

[murkrow]

I find many of the types quite inaccurate.

ISFPs are not like cats, they are actually very loyal. They love to aid others and feel needed.

ENTJs are not protective of the herd, they have no compassion for the herd at all. ENTJs allow the weak to be picked off and push the strong to be stronger. ENTJs are always looking to the future, they aren't grazers they're hunters.

INFPs are not magical. They are simply reclusive. I don't see why they have been given a mythical creature instead of simply a fox or something. Also you need to consider the powerful connotations of a dragon, I don't see how these apply to the INFP. They are much more like a fox, loved by myth and hated by man.

INTJ as hawk works but I really think owl would be more accurate. The near supernatural sensory capabilities of an owl match the INTJ's extroverted intuition very well, and the INTJ is not the type to scream just before snatching it's prey, they come quietly and without care for glory.

ESTP as tiger I don't really get either, Tigers are solitary creatures and they are absolutely malicious. A tiger is the symbol for evil in many cultures. Why not a leopard, something with less fearsome connotations.

INTP as eagle really makes no sense to me at all. INTPs are not huge glorious war symbols. They tend to be pretty vulnerable and emotionally unstable people actually. I see them as cheetahs, avoiding large predators, capable of incredible feats but spend most of their time lying around watching the sahara.

 

[Ogion]

Since we always had cats, i know them a bit. And i think cats are very selfish (or say self-centered), like to play (with things or with prey), are very hedonistic, are lazy, intelligent (sure, thats a bad word. it is so complex that one should differentiate, but for now i am too lazy for that ), kind of introverted (in liking to lie around for themselves for hours), and probably other things. This may look like a list of negative attributes, but i rather see them as positive ones (And i can relate to most of them).

But again, Perseus, i would like you to compose a list of characterisations of these animals (besides from them being related to types). Be they from where ever you have them, but without some list of yours, we just can say "I, personally would place a xxx for type yyyy, because i think that would fit better" You could start with the eagle (well, were are in a INTP-forum, right?): Why does it fit the INTP-type best?

Ogion

P.S.: @murkrow: INTP are emotionally unstable? At least for myself i can say, that i would describe myself as rather stable (and would be backed up by my relatives and friends...)...

 

[murkrow]

You don't have mood swings? You don't withdraw from the world when things don't go just right?

 

[Ogion]

You mean me? Well, no. Not more than i am away from the social world anyways. Okay, i mean, perhaps i just hadn't have times in the last time where things did go wrong enough. But then, i take things as they come without hard feelings. In that way i am quite cheerful (if i translated that well).

Ogion

 

[Aphasia]

INTJ as hawk works but I really think owl would be more accurate. The near supernatural sensory capabilities of an owl match the INTJ's extroverted intuition very well, and the INTJ is not the type to scream just before snatching it's prey, they come quietly and without care for glory.

Agreed. Somewhat odd thing to say, but I've dodged objects (often without seeing or hearing anything consciously) (I've got a memorable situation where I felt like slowing down for a moment, and a ball whizzed past my nose to hit a friend on the head) and dangerous situations quite frequently. However, I've been hit on the head three times by balls before, and got ran over by a motorcycle once (walked away with minor scratches). Supernatural sense conclusion: Inconclusive (note that I'm INTX). I can't remember the last time I wanted to be in the spotlight. A list of definitions of animal characteristics would be good (did I say that before?).

 

[murkrow]

the list on his blog now has some minor explanations.

 

[loveofreason]

As others have mentioned, the owl would seem a better choice for INTP. I can see the relevance of being airborne (objective view) and having talons ( for cutting through the wrappings to the truth of something), but owls are all that plus having the important qualities of being silent, wise and somewhat inscrutable. I can imagine an owl being nerdish and bookish, but an eagle?

Perhaps when an INTP's thoughts take flight they can become like eagles. But this happens in the secrecy of the INTP's mind - not in view of others.

That said I can imagine two INTP minds in that incredible linked talon spiral that some eagle pairs execute.

In person INTP = owl.

In the mind, perhaps, eagles fly!

 

[Aphasia]

Eagles are quite shy and reclusive, as far as I remember (at least some of them are). So, why not?

 

[Perseus]

I can't see to post properly on this forum, so I have put the stuff on the blog.

http://soredragon.blogspot.com/2008/07/modern-animism-world.html

 

[Perseus]

As people are rarely pure to their type, there are variations, e.g. Eagle Owl.

I have difficulties with darkness and light. Just for the record, I have particular difficulties in seeing in the dark or even twilight. There is no doubt I am INTP. I have all the problems this type has. In my dreams I am INFP, the Dragon.

I do not how the theorists work this one out. I think that thinking is suppressed during the dream state.

 

[Perseus]

Modern Animism World


> ENFJ: "Teacher" = WOLF 5% Educating [Givers]
Found in packs and gang up on others with the leader of the pack high on charisma.

> ENFP: "Journalist" = FERRET 3% Motivating (Champion) [Inspirors]
Enthusiastic hunter and ferreter out of information.

> ENTJ: "Field Marshall" = BULL 5% Mobilizing [Executives]
Highly protective of the herd. Big boss animal. Leader of the stampede when all the other animals that cannot fly are ground to dust.

> ENTP: "Inventor" = SNAKE 5% Devising [Visionaries]
Alien system and cannot hear the words, only feel the vibrations.

> ESFJ: "Seller" = HORSE 13% Supplying (Provider) [Care Givers]
Wild horses are terrifying, but they can be tamed.

> ESFP: "Entertainer" = BUTTERFLY 13% Demonstrating (Performer)
Males are often more colourful. Lots of caterpillar style practice and shine briefly.

> ESTJ: "Administrator" = RAT 13% Enforcing [Guardians]
Do the dirty work with tunnel vision.

> ESTP: "Promoter" = TIGER 13% Persuading [Doers]
Ferocious predator, but not usually malicious. Ruthlessness can cause the same damage though.

> INFJ: "Author" = SKYLARK 1% Guiding (Counselor)
Very complicated singing the tune.

> INFP: "Questor = DRAGON 1.25% (Males 0.6%) Conciliating (Healer)
Sleeps in his barrow and sometimes goes on flights. Unknown.

> INTJ: "Scientist" = HAWK 1% Entailing (part of Arranging)(Mastermind)
Penetrating eyesight with talons.

> INTP: "Architect" = EAGLE 1% Designing
High flier in the clouds with talons.

> ISFJ: "Conservator" = MOUSE 6% Securing (Protector) [Nurturers]
Follows the same old trails (rule book) and can contaminate, but nice and cute if clean.

> ISFP: "Artist" = CAT 5% Synthesizing (part of Composing)
Goes where she enjoys best advantage. Independent and unfaithful if neglected.

> ISTJ: "Trustee" = DOG 6% Certifying [Duty Fillers]
Pack animal tamed by his Master. Varied types.

> ISTP: "Artisan" = BEAR 5% Instrumenting [Mechanics]
If they are good the Bears will go to the picnic. Big and unstoppable if they want something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirsey_Temperament_Sorter

 

[Kuu]

I am curious. Why do you want to have "animal types" associated with the MBTI??

Is it just renaming? I think the different interpretations of animals just lead to confusion, not an easier description (the 4 letter names of the MBTI actually convey the very basic functioning of each type according to the theory...)

It all seems so pointless to me...