Androdgony anyone?

[Tiger]

how do you all feel about androdgony? any medium be it physciall appearnace, fashion, personality, identity, sexuality, etc

do you express it in anyway? are you approving or disaproving of it? what do you believe it conveys about the person? do you believe there is a link between androdgeny and personality, perhaps intuitives are much more inclinded? why do some people express themselves with adrodgony?

 

[Tiger]

i probably should've posted this in the psychology board. i wasnt paying attention to which board i was in, sorry.

 

[Kidege]

I approve. What would the world be w/o bishies?

Seriously now. Maybe a well-rounded human being has traits that tradition claims for either sex/gender.

Since I treat sex and gender as different things (not to mention sexual orientation, which is another thing altogether), I'm okay with androgyny.

In my lean days I can pull off the look. It's fun cause you mess with people heads. It's also fun cause I feel like it's closer to who I am, beyond gender roles and underneath physiology.

 

[Tiger]

I feel like it's closer to who I am, beyond gender roles and underneath physiology.

i also feel that way.

 

[Waterstiller]

Allow me to make this more complicated.

M = Male/Masculine
F = Female/Feminine
Green = me
Brown = partner

F)-------[--[------]----|----]---------------(M
Body/physical sex

F)-----------[--[------|---]-]---------------(M
Gender identity/subconscious sex

F)-------[---[---------]|-----------]--------(M
Gender expression

B)----------[-[--------|--]------]-----------(T
Bottom/Top
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None of these continuum are dependent upon any others. My brackets stay more towards the middle than most would. I'm personally very androgynous and I also like my partner to be moderately androgynous but slightly more masculine in some areas. For my partner, the brackets are a range of what I'm attracted to.


If your gender identity is in the middle or everywhere you might identify as Pangender, gender fluid, androgyne, or transgender. Gender expression involves how you present yourself to the world; middle-ish expressions include androgynous, gender fucking, cross dressing, ect. If you're neither top or bottom, you might identify as switch or undefinable.

 

[Luzian]

So you partner is pretty much potentially more feminine and/or masculine than you are. More feminine than average, more feminine than masculine, and you're less feminine than average.

Androgyny: I'm for it!

 

[Ermine]

I'm fairly androgynous in my mannerisms and hobbies, but otherwise feminine.

 

[Wisp]

I originally grew my hair long (now well past my shoulders) to screw with people's heads. Otherwise, I'd fit the "that nerdy kid" persona too well. Now it's a preference.

 

[Vegard Pompey]

I find that a lot of the traits associated with being a "real man" are purely idiotic, so I have never been one in anyone's eyes. And I have no desire to be.

 

[Jordan~]

I don't go in for it myself, and I do tend to like the big, protective, Freudianly-fatherly-type guys; but I have nothing against it. There's no reason to condemn anything that does no harm. I suppose if I am at all androgynous, it's in hobbies, etc.; as others have said - but I don't really know anyone at all who completely conforms to a gender stereotype, and academia is a pretty gender-neutral pursuit to begin with.

 

[Vrecknidj]

Sometimes an inability to discern whether I'm seeing or talking to a man or a woman is a bit disconcerting. And, I have no problem with having that sensation. It is what it is. However, I count among my acquaintances people from all over the spectra, from straight to gay, from typically sexed to transgendered, from somewhat feminine straight men to somewhat masculine straight women, and quite a bit in between.

My personal preferences are rather typical and boring, though I probably have more feminine traits than many American men would be comfortable expressing. And, my wife has this tendency to be able to fix chainsaws and the like (though she's also a prolific knitter). And, we tend to blur all kinds of "chore" and "parental" roles at home.

Dave

 

[wadlez]

My music preference is androgynous as.
I listen to beyonce knolls, justin timberlake but also crank hardcore hip hop like wu tang clan.
I have no genre bias at all, I think this could be due to me not worrying about how i'll be perceived when i listen to music.

 

[Agent Intellect]

a lot of my extended family are conservative SJ types. things like "traditional" gender roles, and even homophobia were just about stuffed down my throat when i was younger. fortunately for me, none of it really stuck. i'd like to think that i'm very accepting of people of any gender identity or sexuality. i find its much more productive to hate people for the stupid things they do then for who they are. on the other hand, because of that indoctrinating i received at a young age, i think its made me personally feel the need to act manly and stoic, which i think is another reason (beside INTPness) that makes it very difficult for me to be sensitive and expressive of my feelings.

 

[Spaekle]

Androgyny doesn't bother me - hell, I'm probably transgendered myself, or at the very least gender-queer. Sex, gender identity, and sexual orientation are all incredibly broad, and to try to fit everyone on this planet into one of two little boxes pertaining to these subjects is pretty ridiculous and ends up creating serious social issues for those who don't quite fit. It's sad, really.

I, too, grew up in a homophobic family with all sorts of ridiculous gender ideals shoved down my throat, and that's something I still have to live with on a daily basis, so long as I'm living in this house. I find it sad that my eight-year-old brother thinks that only girls can have long hair and only boys can have short. I try to think of everyone as a human being - does sex/gender/preference really matter that much so long as you're a good person?

 

[zxc]

I find that a lot of the traits associated with being a "real man" are purely idiotic, so I have never been one in anyone's eyes. And I have no desire to be.

^

 

[Perseus]

Cognition between the sexes is not very much different, and the Feeling 60% female 40% male is hardly a social trend and there are plenty of hard-nosed bitches on the "D" train.

But why aren't there women snooker players in the professional game?

 

[Tiger]

My music preference is androgynous as.
I listen to beyonce knolls, justin timberlake but also crank hardcore hip hop like wu tang clan.
I have no genre bias at all, I think this could be due to me not worrying about how i'll be perceived when i listen to music.

anyone who is otherwise is not listening to music for the enjoyment of music.

 

[abandonship]

ohh the labels, which one to use.
androgyne negative, genderless, agendered, neutrois. i guess all those apply to me, the last one fits the best since i do have a bit of gender dysphoria.

It's also fun cause I feel like it's closer to who I am, beyond gender roles and underneath physiology.

^this, plus i try matching my mind to my body because it makes a difference in the way people treat me. if it didn't i probably wouldn't mind so much. currently i'm not doing so well as in the past but i'm working on it.
also, besides the whole gender identity issue, it's extremely fun to genderfuck. people get so confused it's hillarious.

looking at it personality-wise, from my experience most sensors find comfort in binary gender. but in the combination of INT, the I makes you more likely to analyse yourself, the N lets you look outside from what's considered the norm and the T tries to be as objective as possible. hmm...

 

[hopefulmonster]

Androgyny doesn't bother me - hell, I'm probably transgendered myself, or at the very least gender-queer. Sex, gender identity, and sexual orientation are all incredibly broad, and to try to fit everyone on this planet into one of two little boxes pertaining to these subjects is pretty ridiculous and ends up creating serious social issues for those who don't quite fit. It's sad, really.

I, too, grew up in a homophobic family with all sorts of ridiculous gender ideals shoved down my throat, and that's something I still have to live with on a daily basis, so long as I'm living in this house. I find it sad that my eight-year-old brother thinks that only girls can have long hair and only boys can have short. I try to think of everyone as a human being - does sex/gender/preference really matter that much so long as you're a good person?

My next door neighbors keep trying to force their daughter into being a stereotypical little girl...problem is she wants to play football and "marry" one of her female playmates. Boy oh boy are they in for a treat.

 

[Perseus]

Eagles (INTP) are so high up the ordinary person cannot be expected to discern their gender at their distance.

You are not the target. It is their problem, not that I care about that!

 

[Spacedoubt]

I'm a woman and people often assume that I'm a lesbian, even though I'm not. People have even tried to 'intervene' and tell me that if I would just wear some makeup or wear my hair down and so on, I'd look more feminine.

I am very sensitive to things like fabrics and comfortable shoes. I can't bear to shave my legs most of the time. I have very big, wide feet, so I generally don't wear women's shoes. They're hard to find in my size. It's not that I am trying to look like a guy, or even making an effort to be androgynous. Not at all. I am just being comfortable and people mistinterpret it. The things that I would have to do to appear more feminine are so uncomfortable, that I just can't tolerate them.

So, I guess I'm androgynous, but it's not on purpose.

 

[severus]

My body is female. My dress is slightly feminine. My mind is genderless, as all minds should be.

 

[Kidege]

I think I'm quoting that, Sev.

 

[sagewolf]

As shall I.

I have androgyny down to an art: I've been asked on the street whether I was a boy or a girl. Hasn't happened lately, but I found it funny at the time. I've disliked dresses and skirts since I was a little kid; every now and then I wear one for a family function or something like it and I just can't get used to them. I value comfort and my own preferences in clothing/behaviour over adherence to any social norm. *shrug* It probably doesn't help that I have a name that could go either way.

 

[Perseus]

I don't go in for it myself, and I do tend to like the big, protective, Freudianly-fatherly-type guys; but I have nothing against it. There's no reason to condemn anything that does no harm. I suppose if I am at all androgynous, it's in hobbies, etc.; as others have said - but I don't really know anyone at all who completely conforms to a gender stereotype, and academia is a pretty gender-neutral pursuit to begin with.

Sounds like the attraction to the Guardian (SJ): the hated ones.

 

[FacetiousPersona]

Eagles (INTP) are so high up the ordinary person cannot be expected to discern their gender at their distance.

You are not the target. It is their problem, not that I care about that!

That's the reason the Hunters (ESTJ) have to shoot them down. The Eagles (INTP) have to be brought down to everyone's level. When an Eagle successfully averts the Hunters and flies very high without being stopped, the entire Earth is raised furher up towards the sky.

 

[chocolate]

My looks are way on the feminine side. But I don't tend to be attracted to very masculine men (although they will turn my head). I find that I usually end up dating more intellectual guys who might even be considered a bit feminine.

 

[FacetiousPersona]

My looks are way on the feminine side. But I don't tend to be attracted to very masculine men (although they will turn my head). I find that I usually end up dating more intellectual guys who might even be considered a bit feminine.

Do they often leave you due to homosexuality?

 

[chocolate]

haha, not that I know of.

I thought one guy I dated before was bi, but it didn't bother me. It ended because of another girl.

My mom thought that my last 4 boyfriends were gay! I just don't have a lot in common with manly men.

 

[FacetiousPersona]

haha, not that I know of.

I thought one guy I dated before was bi, but it didn't bother me. It ended because of another girl.

My mom thought that my last 4 boyfriends were gay! I just don't have a lot in common with manly men.

Why did she think of them as gay?

 

[feckn_eejit]

My mom thought that my last 4 boyfriends were gay! I just don't have a lot in common with manly men.

One ENFJ girl I went out with was with her gay friend when we met... the first question she asked me after introducing herself was "Are you gay?" Upon receiving my response she turned back to her friend and claimed me as hers...

 

[FacetiousPersona]

I prefer feminine partners.

 

[feckn_eejit]

Most of the women I've been with have been "The Man" in the relationship. Curious...

Freud might say this has to do with having been raised almost exclusively by my mother and having only two younger sisters for siblings.

 

[FacetiousPersona]

Most of the women I've been with have been "The Man" in the relationship. Curious...

Freud might say this has to do with having been raised almost exclusively by my mother and having only two younger sisters for siblings.

Or that you've thought of having sex with a person who could've been your father too much. Freud had issues.

 

[feckn_eejit]

Indeed I have had relations with "characters" that do represent both my father and mother... luckily however it seems I have been able to make this mistake only once for each parent.

edit: my father is not exactly masculine either, incidentally.

 

[FacetiousPersona]

Indeed I have had relations with "characters" that do represent both my father and mother... luckily however it seems I have been able to make this mistake only once for each parent.

edit: my father is not exactly masculine either, incidentally.

Some of Freud's theories are hysterical.

 

[feckn_eejit]

Some of Freud's theories are hysterical.

While I agree with you, I can't say that particular one proved inaccurate for me!

 

[chocolate]

Why did she think of them as gay?

The usual stuff: they had so-called 'girly' hobbies. One of my exes liked ballet and baking cookies a lot, one was a professional dancer and into art, and one of them liked to go shopping with me and do my eyebrows and makeup (and he looked sweet and feminine, and also danced quite a bit). I'm missing one, which one...? Oh yeah! Ah the most recent one (I tend to block that one out), he was just really emotional and delicate-looking, but more typically male overall - into sports and politics.

 

[FacetiousPersona]

The usual stuff: they had so-called 'girly' hobbies. One of my exes liked ballet and baking cookies a lot, one was a professional dancer and into art, and one of them liked to go shopping with me and do my eyebrows and makeup (and he looked sweet and feminine, and also danced quite a bit). I'm missing one, which one...? Oh yeah! Ah the most recent one (I tend to block that one out), he was just really emotional and delicate-looking, but more typically male overall - into sports and politics.

He must have been odd. I have to leave now to finish baking my cookies.

 

[Perseus]

One ENFJ girl I went out with was with her gay friend when we met... the first question she asked me after introducing herself was "Are you gay?" Upon receiving my response she turned back to her friend and claimed me as hers...

I met a Bully (ESTJ) and Pony girl (ESFJ) pair. The Pony girl as her whim took her was continual on the search for blokes. But I have been on this trip before and passed it by (even a quickie) to avoid complications.

Before, I realised what the score was, the feminine (ISTP) of another two lesbians took a fancy to me. But she had a jealous Guardian (ESTJ) who made life a shade difficult for me. Eventually, they both moved out.

I have a lesbian Witch (ISFP) neighbour who is real menace. She even has a black Cat. ISFPs are the worst match for a INTP, worse even than the ESFJ.