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Ancient Alien Theories

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I wanted to get your opinions on these:


"King Pakal In His Spaceship"

[bimgx=250]http://i47.tinypic.com/5dti8o.jpg[/bimgx]

Ancient Alien Theory:

He is in some kind of spaceship. In the center of that frame is a man sitting, bending forward. He has a mask on his nose, he uses his two hands to manipulate some controls, and the heel of his left foot is on a kind of pedal with different adjustments. The rear portion is separated from him; he is sitting on a complicated chair, and outside of this whole frame, you see a little flame like an exhaust.

Mayan legend:

The symbols of the lid shows King Pacal falling into the jaws of the Earth monster each night to rise again with the power of the sun each morning. Its teeth are enlarged to demonstrate its encompassing power. At the top is the mythological "Moun" bird. The pillar-like construction above Pacal's head is the tree of life.


"The Dendera Light Bulb"

[bimgx=250]http://www.ufo-contact.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ancient-egypt-dendera-light-bulb.jpeg[/bimgx]

Ancient Alien Theory:

It's an ancient light bulb that appears to be plugged into some kind of box.

Conventional Theory:

It's a lotus flower with a snake coming out of it.



"The Ancient Alien Hospital"


[bimgx=250]http://i48.tinypic.com/1zv5nw5.jpg[/bimgx]


My Original Ancient Alien Theory:

To me this seems obvious but I have yet to find anything like it on the internet.

What you are looking at was found on the southern wall of the Temple of Hathor located in Dendera, Egypt. Dendera was an ancient healing center, comparable to a Greek Asclepion or the Catholic Lourdes. Hathor, who was the wife of Horus, was the goddess of the sky, fertility and healing.

Now think about this. If this "goddess of healing" was an extraterrestrial who would she be? She would be a doctor!

Wikipedia says:

"Hathor was worshiped by Royalty and common people alike in whose tombs she is depicted as 'Mistress of the West' welcoming the dead into the next life."

Could this be saying she revived the dead?

Just by looking at the picture you can see the goddess Hathor on the right and her friend Ma'at on the left. Four heads being supported by some kind of tubes. Above the heads there are four jars connected to some kind of pipes which all connect to one pillar. Bellow the heads is a very strange half circle perhaps representing more pipes to allow fluids to move. Basically it looks like the heads are being kept alive.

Perhaps the way they resurrected people was by putting dead heads on live animals. This explains centaurs, mermaids, etc.

I don't know about the accuracy of what I'm saying but this is what it looks like to me anyway. I've been having trouble finding a competing theory on the internet.

EDIT: I have found a more conventional explanation for it:

The depiction of Hathor's sacred menat necklace details the heavy semi-circular pectoral that hung from four sistra pendants. Chains attached to these pendants linked the necklace with its counterweight that hung down the back of the wearer. The necklace on the wall probably reproduces the actual necklace worn during the temple's holy rites and one of the most important objects stored underground.


"The Abydos Machines"

[bimgx=250]http://i46.tinypic.com/14awwf8.jpg[/bimgx]

Ancient Alien Theory:

In the past people saw helicopters, airplanes, and submarines. It is said a matching set of these carvings was found in the Amon Ra Temple in Karnak. (I can not confirm this as I have not been able to find pictures of them yet)

Conventional Theory:

They are just illusions. The most likely cause of these anomalous hieroglyphs is considered to be due to re-facing and re-carving of the original temple stonework, and to weathering effects. Over a protracted period of time, it is believed that parts of the reworked stone have fallen away, revealing older hieroglyphs underneath. In effect, sections of the original and re-carved hieroglyphs have become overlapped to produce altered images that bear little, if any resemblance, to the original images. Such images are termed 'palimpsests' by Egyptologists.
 

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What are you saying exactly?

I'm quite happy to speculate on the existence of intelligent alien life and the possibility that they're already aware of our existence, but that's all we can do, speculate.
 

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The last two are particularly interesting.

"The Ancient Alien Hospital"

This picture instantly reminded me of a scene from Futurama:


It looks like a few things, mostly a breathing apparatus, but for underwater diving or something. Overall it just looks too weird to be something insignificant.

"The Abydos Machines"

If you asked me what do I see, the first things I'd think of would be a spaceship and helicopter. I don't know really what to say about it, it could just be a coincidence but there's no doubt about the similarities.


What are you saying exactly?

I'm quite happy to speculate on the existence of intelligent alien life and the possibility that they're already aware of our existence, but that's all we can do, speculate.
Yeah, this is my attitude also. It doesn't really go anywhere without proof.
 

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I speculate that getting to the bottom of mysteries like these could happen within our lifetimes. Technology is opening doors for our understanding all the time.
 

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Unfortunately, though, time travel is not possible, unless you're okay with the illogical logic of paradoxes and multiple universes. The latter does make sense, but the former - not so much.

It might be possible if time is not linear but is instead cyclical. If we go far enough forward in time we will be able to time travel to the past!

Er, perhaps I've been watching too much Futurama.

I remember watching an ancient aliens episode on history where they were saying that extraterrestrials might be humans from the distant future. What a confusing world we live in...
 

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These theories don't just need evidence to support them, they need a reason to exist in the first place. Every single thing in those images could have existed exactly as described, and yet saying aliens had anything to do with it is still a leap in logic made for no reason.

People draw stuff that doesn't exist all the time, the people in this time period had the exact same brain physiology as we have, there's no need at all to look any further. Even if those technologies existed as described or better, "because humans" is still infinitely more valid than "because aliens".
 

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Well there is some evidence that suggests aliens but there is nothing conclusive as of yet. Many religious books seem to present evidence of extraterrestrials, unless you wish to believe the books are referring to real deities or are simply the result of a few guys on drugs. There is also the possibility that these gods were some kind of mutants perhaps.

It's hard to say that all these alien theories came from nothing. In Egyptian mythology there are countless stories of various "gods" and you kind of have to wonder who these ancient Egyptians were really talking to.

I guess there are other explanations, but that is what we are here to discuss.
 

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"The Dendera Light Bulb"
[bIMG]http://i.imgur.com/WdnFP.jpg[/bIMG]
It looks almost just like an eggplant.
[bIMGx=100]http://i.imgur.com/J2hHSl.jpg[/bIMGx]

And considering how close that snake / light is to the guy's crotch, it might not be a snake.
Just speculation. :)
 

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i like speculations ...

the dendra lightbulb

i see father, two kids, mother.
they are riding on the boat of procreation.
mother with open legs, the female principle in front of her (open arms), holy, on a throne, holding a bulb, which might be either an egg or the uterus, which is penetrated by a sperm, originating from the fathers side, who stands next to a male principle, but isn't thought of as the personal owner (the sperm comes from the principle, not from his cock).

on second sight:

instead of kids, i might interpret the image as spanning over time: in the past (in the background, the memory, therefore seen as being smaller) youthful teenagers, male and female came together to make love, what followed from that, in the foreground/presence, is them being grown ups roles (equipped with status symbols of society),the mother in expectation, being totally involved in the process, the father watching over the situation in a more far sighted manner and a little detached. they are on a boat that takes them to the future: the mother or the child might die after all. maybe the tiny praying figure in front of them, with two faces looking in opposite directions, represents that doubt or the luck of destiny. :storks:

of course, both parents feature alien dna, no doubt about it, or else they would still be climbing on the trees :smoker:
 

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Mayan legend:

The symbols of the lid shows King Pacal falling into the jaws of the Earth monster each night to rise again with the power of the sun each morning. Its teeth are enlarged to demonstrate its encompassing power. At the top is the mythological "Moun" bird. The pillar-like construction above Pacal's head is the tree of life.
that's cool, i never noticed that before (because, when i saw the image for the first time, that experience was accompanied by erich von däneckens interpretation of it), but it makes so much more sense, to interpret the vertical structure as something standing in the background like a tree, as opposed to a blueprint type image without depth. i mean i had previously noticed, how the poor pilot would without a doubt break his neck on rocket-lift-off, if he didn't die of claustrophobia first. but i was trapped in that blueprint perspective.

but the motherfucker is chillin in a tub, maybe with some sauna technology beneath, some sensorical deprivation thing, having a trip, probably ate some ayahuasca (tree of life)

i still don't understand, why he is holding his teddy-bear.

wait, is that a salamander with a funny tongue?
they had it with the dragon gods ...
 

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Well there is some evidence that suggests aliens but there is nothing conclusive as of yet. Many religious books seem to present evidence of extraterrestrials, unless you wish to believe the books are referring to real deities or are simply the result of a few guys on drugs. There is also the possibility that these gods were some kind of mutants perhaps.

It's hard to say that all these alien theories came from nothing. In Egyptian mythology there are countless stories of various "gods" and you kind of have to wonder who these ancient Egyptians were really talking to.

I guess there are other explanations, but that is what we are here to discuss.

Where is the need for an alternate explanation for Gods? In nearly every philosophy until 500 years ago when we started using the scientific method, Gods were the default explanation for every natural phenomenon. They filled the gap of the unknown. We do not need to create a new unknown (aliens) to explain them. You are making the same mistake every religion has made- attempting to explain your world using unknowns. You have simply changed "gods" to "aliens".
 

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Science has success because it values getting information directly from the source. If an idea doesn't line up with the source of information perfectly it is BS. This makes it really hard to mess up interpreting reality.

So I ask where is your source indicating ancient aliens are the reason for these images? I can't imagine anything but popular stories passed on through media and science fiction. These are no substitute for reality.

(I find myself agreeing with defghi, I'm just writing this for my own pleasure of explaining to myself)
 

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that's cool, i never noticed that before (because, when i saw the image for the first time, that experience was accompanied by erich von däneckens interpretation of it), but it makes so much more sense, to interpret the vertical structure as something standing in the background like a tree, as opposed to a blueprint type image without depth. i mean i had previously noticed, how the poor pilot would without a doubt break his neck on rocket-lift-off, if he didn't die of claustrophobia first. but i was trapped in that blueprint perspective.

but the motherfucker is chillin in a tub, maybe with some sauna technology beneath, some sensorical deprivation thing, having a trip, probably ate some ayahuasca (tree of life)

i still don't understand, why he is holding his teddy-bear.

wait, is that a salamander with a funny tongue?
they had it with the dragon gods ...

Funny :P





Where is the need for an alternate explanation for Gods? In nearly every philosophy until 500 years ago when we started using the scientific method, Gods were the default explanation for every natural phenomenon. They filled the gap of the unknown. We do not need to create a new unknown (aliens) to explain them. You are making the same mistake every religion has made- attempting to explain your world using unknowns. You have simply changed "gods" to "aliens".

Don't get me wrong, Science is a great thing. The idea of extraterrestrials doesn't explain anything of the sort, all it explains is the origins of various religions.

What do you think? Do you think people actually saw some kind of deities?



Science has success because it values getting information directly from the source. If an idea doesn't line up with the source of information perfectly it is BS. This makes it really hard to mess up interpreting reality.

So I ask where is your source indicating ancient aliens are the reason for these images? I can't imagine anything but popular stories passed on through media and science fiction. These are no substitute for reality.

(I find myself agreeing with defghi, I'm just writing this for my own pleasure of explaining to myself)


Please understand that I am not making any claims. I simply wanted your opinions.

The reason aliens are even mentioned is because of all the "gods" that seemingly interacted with our ancestors. From our knowledge our ancestors were very primitive and could not have known about such advanced technologies presented.
That is where the "alien" theories come from.
 

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Please understand that I am not making any claims. I simply wanted your opinions.
My post is what I think about ancient alien theories- I shouldn't have written it as if it were directed at you.

The reason aliens are even mentioned is because of all the "gods" that seemingly interacted with our ancestors. From our knowledge our ancestors were very primitive and could not have known about such advanced technologies presented.
That is where the "alien" theories come from.
I see. I think the problem with it is that all that is known is that there are unexplained depictions of what looks like technology. From that we could make some uncertain guesses

- Aliens came to earth as gods?
- Humans did discover the advanced technologies, then they were lost?
- We are simply misinterpreting it?

Out of those I can't imagine why anyone would put so much weight toward it being aliens unless there was some glitch in their reasoning.
 

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- Aliens came to earth as gods?
- Humans did discover the advanced technologies, then they were lost?
- We are simply misinterpreting it?

Out of those I can't imagine why anyone would put so much weight toward it being aliens unless there was some glitch in their reasoning.

You are right, it probably isn't a good idea to put too much weight on the alien theory. I just happen to be interested in it right now.

I've actually read several things about the second statement, I guess it's always a possibility as well. Then there is a possibility of mixing the two and saying that aliens were the cause of us losing the technology, but now I'm going too far into theory and might as well be talking about Atlantis and the hallow earth conspiracy. Er, forget I mentioned that, lol.

Chances are we actually are misinterpreting it. There is no guarantee they were good artists or that we are good interpreters. Good point...



What about:


Von Däniken's claim is not considered a credible interpretation by any professional Mayanist. For example Ian Graham responded, "Well I certainly don't see any need to regard him as a space man. I don't see any oxygen tubes. I see a very characteristically drawn Maya face."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K'inich_Janaab'_Pakal

Yes, yes. It could just be an illusion.
 

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Ancient Aliens is a bunch of bullshit the History Channel uses instead of illuminating on actual history.

Fuck the history channel, and fuck ancient aliens.

*drops microphone, walks off stage*
 

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*sits in the crowd and yells woooo supportively*
 

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Well, some things are rather odd, but I can't say that Earth has been visited by aliens in the past... I guess the most interesting facts that somewhat puzzle me are real clean & tight sides of some geometrically sophisticated structures and some dead dudes in some mountains. Can't remember more details, just read about that somewhere a long time ago... Or seen. Or both. I don't exclude it, but I don't accept it as a fact either.
 

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I'm surprised no one's posted this. >.>


ancient-aliens-guy-big-hair-giorgio-tsoukalos.jpeg


I found the idea exceedingly fascinating in my childhood and early teens, I read a book about it but I forget the name...still very interesting stuff, but I've come to see it as fanciful conjecture nowadays. :)
 

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I've wondered what he thinks he's accomplishing with that hair. There are plausible ideas, then there are plausible ideas delivered by someone who is channeling Larry from the Three Stooges, which kind of lets the air out of plausibility. Sometimes ad hominem arguments demand to be taken into account....
 

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Where is the need for an alternate explanation for Gods? In nearly every philosophy until 500 years ago when we started using the scientific method, Gods were the default explanation for every natural phenomenon. They filled the gap of the unknown. We do not need to create a new unknown (aliens) to explain them. You are making the same mistake every religion has made- attempting to explain your world using unknowns. You have simply changed "gods" to "aliens".

Isn't that what science and trying to understand our world is all about though? Albert Einstein sure as hell didn't just accept the majority opinion and say "Hmm, no point to start asking questions now." He had his theories, some of which were proven to be conclusive and some of which were not. So whether or not the ancient alien theory turns out to be true or false, we owe it to ourselves to question the popular opinion (religion basically) to find a more logical answer. I understand the ancient alien theory may not seem logical but it sure as hell answers a lot of questions/provides sensible explanations for many things that happened in our distant and not so distant past. After all, our ancestors seemed to have seen some very strange and unexplainable things that aren't so unexplainable today and aliens seem like a MUCH more valid theory than "gods".

I can't say I wholeheartedly accept the ancient alien theory but I can say I believe 100% there is extraterrestrial life in the universe simply because it is so vast. We are not even a blip on the radar as far as the entirety of the universe is concerned. To say humans are alone in this world just seems ignorant. As Stephen Hawking puts it, "extraterrestrial life is a mathematical certainty" Historically speaking, civilization has, at first , rejected just about every major scientific breakthrough in it's existence. Why would this encounter play out any differently?

Is it really that crazy to think another intelligent race visited this planet in the past?
 

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Well, the thing is, virtually all of our civilizations historical theories are speculative. The farther back you go, the more speculative. Those which do not account for "Ancient Aliens" evidence are less than totally comprehensive in accounting for known data, while those that do account for "Ancient Aliens" evidence make added assumptions. No matter what, history (until we discover time-travel) will generally remain a speculative discipline. To form any conclusion (even those accepted by mainstream academia) is risky business if the goal is truth and objectivity. That said, the Ancient Aliens theory is more interesting in my opinion than those theories which do not account for certain bodies of evidence in support of Ancient Aliens.
 
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