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I've been doing a bit of reading (obviously not enough :p) around types in the hope of understanding others better and find myself relating to many of the ISTP profiles. My first MBTI test (before I knew anything about it) came back ISTP, but having taken it before (and subconciously analysed the questions, for better or worse) every subsequent test comes back INTP and the intp.org profile is mostly scarily accurate. I've also read that ISTP's often want to be INTP which just adds to my doubt...

Can anyone give me some help on the key differences?
 

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So what are your interests and hobbies?
 

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I agree. An ISTP may feel like an INTP on the inside. Some of them can actually think conceptually, just like an INTP. However, I think the crucial difference is why an ISTP would think conceptually. Is it for a truly spiritual or philosophical purpose? Or, are they simply learning to apply these concepts to some practical matter (such as understanding the physical movements of a body)?

Bruce Lee's a great example of the ISTP personality. Also, he was a conceptual thinker. But the reason why Bruce Lee isn't considered an INTP is because he was more concerned with physical life. He wielded weapons with expert ability. He learned to train his body to execute tough, almost impossible maneuvers others can only dream of ever doing. He was a super skilled martial artist who focused on developing the best fighting system at all costs. Now, even if Bruce was conceptually active (conceiving of ideas, scripts, and production methods for movies), he was mostly conceptual for the purpose of showcasing the human body in action, as the human body was his ultimate obsession and fixation.

So, are you more interested in something physical, concrete, corporeal? Or, are you more interested in that which is non-physical, abstract, and incorporeal? When you think all day (and most likely you do, which is why you're one of these introverted thinking types), do you tend to daydream about all sorts of abstract, conceptual stuff like free will, the nature of gravity, or how to solve a mathematical set problem? Or, do you focus on things like the expression of human nature, the human body and its limits, or how to best develop a method to utilize some tool you love and want to master?

Also, your hobbies would be useful in determining your true type.
 

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Hobbies... as in things I do regularly? I'll give a bit about me, see if you can pick them out?

I often loose whole nights or weekends without ever achieving much or even doing anything, but don't have any logs of my thoughts or ideas. Much of my time is spent online looking for something, could be researching an idea or just something I need to buy, like a t-shirt. Been looking on and off since Thursday, still can't find one I like... I listen to music seriously (sound quality is as important as the music itself) and have 3 pairs of good headphones despite hating consumerism (If I keep them till they wear out it's ok and will prevent spending in the future). I currently have 5 books on the go, 3 non fiction (evolution, spirituality and philosophy) 2 fiction (science fiction). I love long (at least 4 hour) walks alone in the countryside and having no idea where I am is a great feeling.

Last night I was up 'till 3:30 modding some headphones (dismantle, add dampening, reassemble) as the parts arrived in the morning and I was working all day, going to bed with the job unfinished (or worse unstarted) would be unthinkable. Yet I have to write a letter for work in the hope of not being demoted (don't ask!) and I've not given it any thought, let alone started it. I also love roller coasters and am keen to try skydiving, bungee jumping or similar but the opportunity has never arrisen. And I've never put any effort into making one.

I think about many things, some "real" and some not. I've been trying to make sense of squirrels for a long time - sometimes timid, others agressive and lately they seem more sociable. This then relates to the possibility that the whole world is just my projection, (my mood appears to greatly influence the presence of squirrels yet surely others can see it them too and if I can influence them why can't others?) which makes the physical world seem meaningless, yet I think there must be some point to it.

From a psychology point of view expression of human nature seems a waste of time - it's not what's said and done but what's heard and seen, and you can't control other people's interpretation. Yet the subject does interest me.

I also keep trying to learn to play the guitar but haven't touched it in a month or more.

That's enough for now, does it help?
 

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You come off to me as an ISTP. Supposedly, ISTPs are very keen on music. In fact, I have a friend who is ISTP and that's one of his favorite past-times. Also, you don't seem to be obsessed with intellectual concepts like INTPs. You seem to be someone who is smart and introverted in their thinking, but in more practical sense. You actually have some contact with nature and seem to be able to FIX things. Believe it or not, that's one of the strengths of an ISTP: fixing things. Also, ISTPs seem to very good with computers and technology, generally. My ISTP friend is always calling himself a "computer scientist," although he really isn't a professional computer scientist. He knows how to program, diagnose computers, and practically everything else you can think of.

So, to me, you seem more ISTP. But perhaps a bit more info would help.

Anyway, does this sound like you?

The nature of Crafters is most clearly seen in their masterful operation of tools, equipment, machines, and instruments of all kinds. Most us use tools in some capacity, of course, but Crafters (as much as ten percent of the population) are the true masters of tool work, with an innate ability to command tools and to become expert at all the crafts requiring tool skills. Even from an early age they are drawn to tools as if to a magnet -- tools fall into their hands demanding use, and they must work with them.

Like all the Artisans, Crafters are people who love action, and who know instinctively that their activities are more enjoyable, and more effective, if done impulsively, spontaneously, subject to no schedules or standards but their own. In a sense, Crafters do not work with their tools, but play with them when the urge strikes them. Crafters also seek fun and games on impulse, looking for any opportunity, and just because they feel like it, to play with their various toys: cars, motorcycles, boats, dune-buggies, hunting rifles, fishing tackle, scuba gear, and on and on. They thrive on excitement, particularly the rush of speed-racing, water-skiing, surfing. And Crafters are fearless in their play, exposing themselves to danger again and again, even despite frequent injury. Of all the types, Crafters are most likely to be risk takers, pitting themselves, or their technique, against chance or odds.

Crafters are hard to get to know. Perhaps this is because they tend to communicate through action, and show little interest in developing language skills. Their lack of expressiveness can isolate them at school and on the job, and even though they hang around with their own kind in play, they let their actions speak for them, and their actual conversation is sparse and brief.
Crafters can be wonderfully generous and loyal to their friends, teammates, and sidekicks, often giving up their evenings or weekends to help with building projects or mechanical repairs-house remodeling, for example, or working on cars or boats. On the other hand, they can be fiercely insubordinate to those in authority, seeing rules and regulations as unnecessarily confining. Crafters will not usually go against regulations openly, but will simply ignore them. More than anything, Crafters want to be free to do their own thing, and they are proud of their ability to do it with an artist's skill.

Bruce Lee, Michael Jordan, Woody Allen, Alan Shepard, Chuck Yaeger, Michael Douglas, Lance Armstrong, and Kathrine Hephurn are examples of Crafter Artisans.
 

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If this doesn't describe you well, perhaps you're an IXTP.
Perhaps you don't really fit into either really well, but into both.

In some ways, you're like an ISTP, in some ways like an INTP.
Perhaps you're a hybrid.
 

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Actually, I doubt you're IXTP. Here's a general set of hobbies many ISTPs tend to have:

Brilliant deduction. Why is that so surprising? Computers are fun to play with, manipulate and master, like any other mechanical tool or equipment. And video gaming should be a new Olympic sport. Yep, it appears that computers, music, sports, t-shirts and sneakers are common themes. Thanks for everyone's contributions so far.
 

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I can relate to almost everything you mentioned in your post. I play guitar on and off for periods of time... few months here, a few months there. Tinkering with headphones sounds like something I could get lost in all day. I love fiddling with little mechanical projects, and can end up spending an entire day just lost in one.
I LOVE music but I only have a few bands that I listen to. I'm actually currently making my own music.

The point of all this is that just because you enjoy those things doesn't mean you're an ISTP. You might be, but those aren't indicative.
 

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Well thinking outside of hobbies I'll comment on the other things and profile snippet. My enjoyment of understanding and fixing things is the main reason for doubt.

Technology - I, like Philosophyking's friend, can do pretty much anything on/with a computer and am interested in technology in general. I have a degree in IT but no longer do much with computers that anyone couldn't and don't want a job using it(INTP competence then move on?) I can do anything DIY related but am a perfectionist - the result takes far longer than it should and generally doesn't look good but it's functional. I rarely enjoy physical doing and just because I see a tool I am not compelled to use it.

Love of action - Not at all. I haven't even bothered to get a car (passed my test in January as rumour is it's going to get harder soon) to enable me to go anywhere to do anything. My life is as exciting as daytime TV and that's fine by me (else I'd have changed it!)

Hard to know - yes. But then, this applies to INTP's too? Whatever I am I've not met another like me to know whether we'd discuss the abstract or work on a huge project. I'd say that I'd happily give up much of my free time to help others but it happens so rarely it's never been properly tested.

Rules - I'm not one to quietly ignore them when I can tell whoever that I'm going to ignore them in advance, and give a reason. No point raising expectations...

Pride at abilities (or achievements) - None. Ever. I'm nothing on the scale of the earth and nothing I do will be worthy of praise unless I manage to be there to help at a natural disaster or similar (much thought has gone in to this area)

Computer games aren't mentally stimulating enough, when I last played I was winning easily at football (soccer) while my mind was elsewhere. At that point I turned it off - no point heating my room unnecessarily! That was over a year ago.

One other thing that may or may not be relevant - the concept of time. My memory of what happened when is strangely good...
 

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Wow, Moocow is right: it is very difficult to tell what type you are just from a few hobbies.

I'm just going to say that you are a difficult case, because you display aspects of both types.
Perhaps a more thorough assessment can actually type you correctly.
But those types of tests cost lots of $$.

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Anyway, I'll accept you as a very ISTPish INTP. haha
 

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Bruce Lee's a great example of the ISTP personality. Also, he was a conceptual thinker.
No dude, just no...

Honestly, why does everyone think INFJs are anything but INFJs? No wonder they are perceived as the rarest type.

BrUcE lEe Is a MaRtIlAl aRtEsT, I guEsS tHaT maKeS hIm A sEnSoR!!
 

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No dude, just no...

Honestly, why does everyone think INFJs are anything but INFJs? No wonder they are perceived as the rarest type.

BrUcE lEe Is a MaRtIlAl aRtEsT, I guEsS tHaT maKeS hIm A sEnSoR!!



How about you give a reasoning for your typing decisions?
 

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I think about many things, some "real" and some not. I've been trying to make sense of squirrels for a long time - sometimes timid, others agressive and lately they seem more sociable. This then relates to the possibility that the whole world is just my projection, (my mood appears to greatly influence the presence of squirrels yet surely others can see it them too and if I can influence them why can't others?) which makes the physical world seem meaningless, yet I think there must be some point to it.

From a psychology point of view expression of human nature seems a waste of time - it's not what's said and done but what's heard and seen, and you can't control other people's interpretation. Yet the subject does interest me.
Okay this, do you see this right here?

Yeah, Sensors simply don't think about things like this, definitely not on their own.

You're an INTP, the physical activities you mentioned, like wandering around and skydiving, are all you being in touch with your Ne. The fact that they are physical activities are irrelevant. Like walking off and getting lost, that is an Ne adventure right there, who knows where you'll end up!? Oh the possibilities! As for you liking to Mod hardware, that is pretty much a Ti thing, or even Te thing for that matter. We are not all into it, but liking it doesn't make you a sensor. I've modded my own headphones too :smoker: (I'm also a huge audiophile as well and have stacks of audio equipment in my room)
 

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How about you give a reasoning for your typing decisions?
YouTube- Be water
Honestly, if you watch this and cannot see how charming and warm he is (Definately not a T), how directive he is (Definitely not a P), and how his use of Fe is just waaaaaaay too much for even the most developed Ti dominant, on your own... Then I have just lost all motivation to point it out.

I mean, good job noting that he is using Ni-Fe:Ti-Se, it's just the wrong order... Martial arts is an extremely deep, spiritual, and Ni friendly pursuit, don't be surprised when you see the best martial artists have Se as their inferior function.
 

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Adymus said:
Honestly, if you watch this and cannot see how charming and warm he is (Definately not a T)
That is warm??? Certainly not for someone who's Chinese.

Seems really really sinister. Was that in a movie, or real?

Anyway, agreed that Martial Artist!=definitely Se. Se is more of a perspective on things, a way of gathering information that does not necessarily have any bearing on physical ability.
 

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Lee was an introverted thinker, through and through.
I'm just going to say that your understanding of MBTI is totally fucked.
Period.

Pssh, you thought Einstein was an INTJ. Absolutely insane.

Introverted Thinkers:

Rodin's Thinker is introverted. Here these thinkers ponder the apparent chaos of the world in order to extract from it the universal truths and principles that can be counted on. These principles, once extracted, will provide the logical structure on which to build strategies.

They have a finely nuanced ability to analyse situations, find root causes and foresee consequences. They distrust action taken too quickly without the necessary investigation. They are usually levelheaded, objective, impersonal yet intensely involved in problem solving. They are fiercely independent, seeking input and comments from a chosen few. When reporting to others, they need to establish credibility first: their own and that of the person they are reporting to. If the gap in knowledge and expertise is too great and their own proficiency dismissed, belittled or ignored, they will lose interest and motivation.

They are less interested in running the world as they are in understanding it. They are curious and capable of explaining complex political, economic or technological problems, taking great pleasure in explaining all the factors and intricacies. They are rigorous with their thoughts and analysis, choosing the exact words that convey precisely what is meant. They may spend a lot of time defining words, concepts and systems in order to define a problematic solution.

They are armchair detectives, scientists and philosophers, spending most of their time in quiet reflection to ponder truth, and solve mysteries. They may tend to neglect social requirements and responsibilities, finding many relationships to be too superficial to be of much interest.

Bruce Lee read often and spent much time in isolation, reflecting.
To what extent he was a sensor, if at all, is questionable, but I think it's safe to say he was along the lines of an IXTP, for sure. His introverted thinking is obvious.
 

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Lee was an introverted thinker, through and through.
I'm just going to say that your understanding of MBTI is totally fucked.
Period.

Pssh, you thought Einstein was an INTJ. Absolutely insane.

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Bruce Lee read often and spent much time in isolation, reflecting.
To what extent he was a sensor, if at all, is questionable, but I think it's safe to say he was along the lines of an IXTP, for sure. His introverted thinking is obvious.
First of all, I never said Einstein was an INTJ, I said we should not be so certain to think he was an INTP, and I stick by that statement.
No... My understand is not fucked, different yes, but not fucked.

Okay, listen to yourself for a second.

"Bruce Lee read often and spent much time in isolation, reflecting. "

Really? Are you seriously suggesting that spending time in isolation and reflecting automatically makes you a Ti dom? Really? Okay so this is outside of the relm of Ni doms, then? You know, even though their inferior is Se, and they would have more of a reason than any other type to isolate themselves. The statement above "Be water my friend" that is undoubtedly an Ni metaphor, in that Ni can see the natural law of patterns everywhere, and then apply them to things seemly different and contradictory. Sure, ISTPs have Ni, so the next question should be "How high up is his Ni?" The fact that even in interaction and teaching he articulates and pushes straight from Ni. He is not using Ni to support Ti, but Ti to support Ni.

Waflin: Maybe "warm" was not the right word, so let me rephrase that. Sinister is actually a good thing to point out. Do you see how he is using his facial and emotional cues to accentuate what he is saying. He is using his Fe to basically put a spell on the person he is talking to, that right there is Fe used at a Pro level. As for the thing on martial arts being an Se thing. First of all, INFJs still have Se, so it is still actually being used, and the fact that it is their inferior does not actually rule it out, and here is why: As I have said in some other threads, people often have a fetishy relationship with their inferior functions, they might take on recreational activities that are used to "Master" their inferior. For an INFJ, martial arts is an approach that can allow them use their theoretical and speculative abilities (Ni), their knack for reading their opponents (Fe), to reach over to their lower functions and use real time tactics and calibrations (Ti), and acting in the present moment (Se). It is actually a peak experience for them, because it allows them to use all of their functions straight down the pipeline in a very stimulating way, this is why Martial arts is often tied to spirituality.

As an aside, I highly recommend you don't stereotype in typing people like this. What I mean by that is "He is a martial artist, therefor he is an Se user", it is not even close to being a reliable assessment, and you are closing yourself off to other possibilities in the most shallow of ways.
 

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First of all, I never said Einstein was an INTJ, I said we should not be so certain to think he was an INTP, and I stick by that statement.
No... My understand is not fucked, different yes, but not fucked.

To not be so certain that Einstein was an INTP is so incredibly ridiculous that you may well have been trying to type him off as an INTJ, even if you weren't. So big deal. Either way, your personal opinion on the matter is still ridiculous.

Okay, listen to yourself for a second.

"Bruce Lee read often and spent much time in isolation, reflecting. "

Really? Are you seriously suggesting that spending time in isolation and reflecting automatically makes you a Ti dom? Really?
No. Only a moron would assume that I meant to suggest that because he enjoyed spending time in isolation reflecting "automatically" makes him an introverted thinker. You're essentially putting words where they do not exist. I'm suggesting that his many characteristics STRONGLY INDICATE introverted thinking. Indicate doesn't = automatically. Learn to distinguish what someone is actually saying instead of butchering their statements to make your own stupid personal theories sound even remotely intelligent. K? Thanks.

Okay so this is outside of the relm of Ni doms, then? You know, even though their inferior is Se, and they would have more of a reason than any other type to isolate themselves. The statement above "Be water my friend" that is undoubtedly an Ni metaphor, in that Ni can see the natural law of patterns everywhere, and then apply them to things seemly different and contradictory.
Okay, so you're essentially assuming that I'm making unwarranted leaps in my attempts to make sense of Bruce Lee's personality, based on your inability to comprehend what I'm actually saying, yet you're going to outright assume that the phrase "be water my friend" is automatically "UNDOUBTEDLY" an Ni metaphor, which you feel was his primary function, merely because Ni notices inherent patterns everywhere? HAHAHAHAHA

Anyway, he clearly had Ni, but I don't think it was his dominant function.
Not by a long shot.

Wow. I'm just going to leave it at that and say that you shouldn't judge someone based on one facet of their personality. Bruce Lee was surprisingly an abstract thinker, but whether or not some of his statements implied some level of intuition doesn't automatically make him a completely introverted intuitive. Looking at other aspects of his personality, it's clear he may well have had a strong Ti.

Sure, ISTPs have Ni, so the next question should be "How high up is his Ni?" The fact that even in interaction and teaching he articulates and pushes straight from Ni. He is not using Ni to support Ti, but Ti to support Ni.
Regardless, he probably just had a very strong preference for, or highly developed, Ni, whereas most ISTPs probably do not. This doesn't make him an introverted intuitive.

In fact, this discussion has occurred elsewhere on the internet, and here's a very concise opinion on the matter.

Bruce Lee ISTP? Really?

Absolutely. He's damned near the poster boy for ISTPs. He was extremely Ti with a strong Se that he used to back up his technical mind in the physical world. His Fe and Ni were the driving force that he pulled from deep within himself. No doubt whatsoever, on Bruce Lee being an ISTP. None.

You can't do that much physical exertion and focus and not develop a VERY strong Se. However, that doesn't make it his dominant function, just a very strong / well developed secondary. Everything about his approach to martial arts is Ti dominant - very technical and deep understanding of the inner workings... sometimes to a degree that he couldn't explain.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Just because his other functions may have been well-developed, and therefore strongly expressed, doesn't mean he wasn't an introverted thinker. His Ti was super well-developed, so much so that I don't see how anyone can think otherwise. Perhaps a bit more thorough knowledge on Bruce's personal life is needed. So, get at it.
 

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Philosophyking87 gets the trophy for the most pompous poster on INTP forum. We get it, you think you're a genius.

I've yet to see much real support for your argument other than condescension. So far your arguments have consisted of "Bruce lee was X because it's obvious and you're a moron." If you're going to try to make an argument, try doing it with without making an ass of yourself.

I read a book written by Bruce Lee about fighting. However it was as much about martial arts as it was philosophy and life in general. It was VERY theoretical, philosophical, and filled with "Ni metaphors." I don't get the sense from any of the ISTPs I've known that they approach martial arts or sports as a metaphor for how they view life. I can see an Ni dominant person using martial arts primarily for spiritual practice or philosophical gain. In the full interview that clip was taken from, he discusses martial arts as expression of the human body.
 

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To not be so certain that Einstein was an INTP is so incredibly ridiculous that you may well have been trying to type him off as an INTJ, even if you weren't. So big deal. Either way, your personal opinion on the matter is still ridiculous.
Wow... I'm just amazed that this statement got passed your personal censor... Alright man, if you want to be emotionally attached do Einstein being INTP, that's your call.
No. Only a moron would assume that I meant to suggest that because he enjoyed spending time in isolation reflecting "automatically" makes him an introverted thinker. You're essentially putting words where they do not exist. I'm suggesting that his many characteristics STRONGLY INDICATE introverted thinking. Indicate doesn't = automatically. Learn to distinguish what someone is actually saying instead of butchering their statements to make your own stupid personal theories sound even remotely intelligent. K? Thanks.
Alright, then let me ask you something: Why the fuck would you even say that if you knew that "Ti doms like to be alone and reflect, therefor Bruce Lee was a Ti dom" was horribly weak logic? No dude, it doesn't "Strongely indicate" introverted thinking, it strongly indicates he is an Introvert (Maybe also introverted intuitive), and it stops about there.
Okay, so you're essentially assuming that I'm making unwarranted leaps in my attempts to make sense of Bruce Lee's personality, based on your inability to comprehend what I'm actually saying, yet you're going to outright assume that the phrase "be water my friend" is automatically "UNDOUBTEDLY" an Ni metaphor, which you feel was his primary function, merely because Ni notices inherent patterns everywhere? HAHAHAHAHA
No I'm not assuming you are making unwarranted leaps, I am pointing out that you are making unwarranted leaps in judgment, not an awful lot of conjecture needed here, there is no need to assume what you just did in front of me. That whole phrase actually is indeed an Ni metaphor, if you had a bit more experience in seeing how Ni doms think, you would notice the same patterns. It is the synthesis of natural law. Ni takes patterns and synthesizes them into a single truth and create a worldview out of it, which is why they often say things that sound rather paradoxical such as "Be water."

Anyway, he clearly had Ni, but I don't think it was his dominant function.
Not by a long shot.

Wow. I'm just going to leave it at that and say that you shouldn't judge someone based on one facet of their personality. Bruce Lee was surprisingly an abstract thinker, but whether or not some of his statements implied some level of intuition doesn't automatically make him a completely introverted intuitive. Looking at other aspects of his personality, it's clear he may well have had a strong Ti.
Oh man, I am definitely not judging Bruce Lee based on one facet of his personality, there are pages worth of information that I could get just from that one interview alone. I don't doubt he had a strong Ti, but the fact that he focuses on his Ni when expressing himself more than anything, tells me his Ni is above his Ti.

Regardless, he probably just had a very strong preference for, or highly developed, Ni, whereas most ISTPs probably do not. This doesn't make him an introverted intuitive.

In fact, this discussion has occurred elsewhere on the internet, and here's a very concise opinion on the matter.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Just because his other functions may have been well-developed, and therefore strongly expressed, doesn't mean he wasn't an introverted thinker. His Ti was super well-developed, so much so that I don't see how anyone can think otherwise. Perhaps a bit more thorough knowledge on Bruce's personal life is needed. So, get at it.
Okay here is something you should learn, when you see a type have a level of confidence in their Ni that causes them to constantly refer to it, as well as apply it too just about everything in their life... It is probably above Tertiary. You see, having well developed Ni doesn't turn you into an Ni dominant. The Hierarchy of function is not simply noting the rankings of most to least developed (Sometimes lower functions can be more developed than the one above it... Unless that one above it is the dominant.) It notes two things: 1. How draining or stimulating it's use will be to you, and 2. How high of a priority it takes in your psyche, essentially meaning the dominant function is the master, and the ones below it are the slaves. So an ISTP would use Ni in service of their Ti model, using abstractions to check the validity of their logic. It is actually not really something they often spend very much time expressing, or when they do, it doesn't really come out as sounding deep and mystical like an INFJ's would. Now I understand that you argument is that his Ni well developed, but my argument is, having a well developed Ni will not make an ISTP think like an INFJ.

As Moocow noted, his approach to Martial arts focuses more on Martial arts as a way of life, a philosophy, a... say it with me now: A worldview. Rather than focusing on the mechanics and logic within Martial arts like a true ISTP would?
 

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Philosophyking87 gets the trophy for the most pompous poster on INTP forum. We get it, you think you're a genius.

I've yet to see much real support for your argument other than condescension. So far your arguments have consisted of "Bruce lee was X because it's obvious and you're a moron." If you're going to try to make an argument, try doing it with without making an ass of yourself.

I read a book written by Bruce Lee about fighting. However it was as much about martial arts as it was philosophy and life in general. It was VERY theoretical, philosophical, and filled with "Ni metaphors." I don't get the sense from any of the ISTPs I've known that they approach martial arts or sports as a metaphor for how they view life. I can see an Ni dominant person using martial arts primarily for spiritual practice or philosophical gain. In the full interview that clip was taken from, he discusses martial arts as expression of the human body.

Awesome. But to think Bruce Lee was anything but some sort of IXTP is just ridiculous. And I could really care less for the typical "I know this guy, so I'm going to back him up and turn this into a social dilemma."

Peace.
 

walfin

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I do believe I'm more calm than Adymus about this.
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Anyway, East Asian martial arts are mighty philosophical.
 

Claverhouse

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To not be so certain that Einstein was an INTP is so incredibly ridiculous that you may well have been trying to type him off as an INTJ, even if you weren't. So big deal. Either way, your personal opinion on the matter is still ridiculous.


The INTP understanding that Einstein was an INTP rests upon a simple, elegant syllogism:


a/ All INTPs are geniuses.

b/ Einstein is a genius.

c/ Therefore Einstein is an INTP.



No. Only a moron would assume...

Learn to distinguish what someone is actually saying...

...your own stupid personal theories sound even remotely intelligent. K? Thanks...


There's a subtle difference between verve and shouting insults like a crazy homeless guy: learn to distinguish that.


Bruce Lee was surprisingly an abstract thinker


Him and Steven Seagal and John Wayne.




Claverhouse :phear:
 

Philosophyking87

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There's a subtle difference between verve and shouting insults like a crazy homeless guy: learn to distinguish that.

I distinguish the difference quit well. I just consciously didn't care to refrain from speaking to the guy in a manner which is undoubtedly appropriate, given his rather bold nature. At any rate, superficial arguments over MBTI are no less silly than arguments of religion or music preference. Hence, if you guys don't think Einstein was INTP or that Bruce Lee was some type other than ISTP, so be it.

No point arguing over matters which can't be proven, especially when people aren't willing to view things objectively. A staunch opinion fixes all, so that nothing can move freely and unbound. At any rate, I'd love to see Adymus in another thread not based on mindless psychological conceptions, again. Showing a fool to be no less than what he is, is thrilling. Good day, gents.
 

asmit127

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So I can take the opinion of "the most pompous poster on INTP forum" or "a moron" and "a fool" :p

I'm satisfied that others who are sure of their type, get me and do similar things along with the INTP profile being a better fit overall so I shall continue to post as an INTP. That's one more pointless train of thought removed from my mind!

Thanks for the argument anyway, it's given me a good introduction to the more practical sides of typing people :)
 
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