all INTPs are squeaky and insecure

[Ink]

Am I wrong for ridiculing scorpiomover? Am I wrong for thinking he is stupid beyond belief?

1) Because you're a P. Males that exude confidence, like Js, have a lower baritone. Male thats are accommodating, like Ps, have a much higher vocal tone.
2) Because you're an N. Males that are more in touch with their physicality, like Sensors, also have a lower tone, and males that are more thinking and abstract, like Ns, have a much higher tone.
3) Because you're an Introvert. Males that spend a lot of time with others by choice, like Extroverts, find that other males usually associate males with a higher vocal range as being camp, unmasculine, weedy, and with probable homophobic leanings. It puts a lot of males off them, and if they are not cued in to the social cues for violence and bullying, likely to get bullied. So extroverted males who already have a high tone, make an effort to lower it. But also, that happens naturally with people whose bodies build up all over and including the throat area, which happens when you get into sports and fights a lot, and especially as a kid, when you're growing. The reverse happens to Introverts. Their lack of exposure to others, usually results in a lack of exercise, and a lack of fights, and so the body doesn't have to toughen up, and when muscles don't get worked, then they atrophy, and so the result is a higher vocal tone.
As a result, an INTP male is likely to have a much higher vocal tone than average.
That's backed up by what I saw in school and in my university, where we had 50,000 students, but where the environment was reasonably suited for introverts, provided they didn't go into the areas where the locals lived.

Now, you might have realised that consequently taken that into account. But had you done that, you would have realised that I might have seen that as a potential point, and there would have been at least some indication in your words of that, and I saw none at all. Ergo, you're not taking that into account. That you're an introvert, means that you're using your own self as a baseline, and you're not aware of any reason to consider that you might be squeakier than the baseline.

On top, INTPs tend to suffer from low self-esteem, anxiety and depression, and especially when they are young. This is often referred to as being highly-strung. In other forums, it's been noted and agreed by INTPs, that INTPs tend to not be that great at controlling their emotional outbursts, until they get control of Fe, which normally happens into mature age. Highly-strung people are known for having many outbursts with highly-strung , squeaky voices, that are positively brimming with their emotional selves. It's just that with INTPs, it's normally the horribly depressive squeakiness. So there is another reason for you having such a voice.

 

[Jennywocky]

Am I wrong for ridiculing scorpiomover? Am I wrong for thinking he is stupid beyond belief?

Wait, what was the part in the middle?

Anyhoo:
1) Because you're a P. Males that exude confidence, like Js, have a lower baritone. Male thats are accommodating, like Ps, have a much higher vocal tone.
He's saying that based on male/female speaking patterns, in part. Feminine patterns usually involve more inflection, defer more, make statements into questions... and are higher-pitched. (Listen to women when they get on their "phone / customer service" voice.) Higher pitches are less threatening per se, you're not taking an "aggressive" stance.

But that's not a J/P thing at all. When James Earl Jones gets scared, would he suddenly sound like a girl and/or suddenly be seen as a P?

　
2) Because you're an N. Males that are more in touch with their physicality, like Sensors, also have a lower tone, and males that are more thinking and abstract, like Ns, have a much higher tone.
Basically crap. Your voice is your voice. I know N's with much lower voices and S's with higher ones. My sons included.


3) Because you're an Introvert. Males that spend a lot of time with others by choice, like Extroverts, find that other males usually associate males with a higher vocal range as being camp, unmasculine, weedy, and with probable homophobic leanings. It puts a lot of males off them, and if they are not cued in to the social cues for violence and bullying, likely to get bullied. So extroverted males who already have a high tone, make an effort to lower it. But also, that happens naturally with people whose bodies build up all over and including the throat area, which happens when you get into sports and fights a lot, and especially as a kid, when you're growing. The reverse happens to Introverts. Their lack of exposure to others, usually results in a lack of exercise, and a lack of fights, and so the body doesn't have to toughen up, and when muscles don't get worked, then they atrophy, and so the result is a higher vocal tone.

As a result, an INTP male is likely to have a much higher vocal tone than average.

Maybe some credibility to people who are naturally "in their bodies" taking more ownership of it and utilizing it better, vs people who remain introverted and/or in their heads -- they tend to just use their voice as an afterthought. Introverts sometimes have to practice utilizing their body -- voice included -- in more assertive ways and for max sound, etc.

I'm not gonna make a type call on it though.


On top, INTPs tend to suffer from low self-esteem, anxiety and depression, and especially when they are young. This is often referred to as being highly-strung. In other forums, it's been noted and agreed by INTPs, that INTPs tend to not be that great at controlling their emotional outbursts, until they get control of Fe, which normally happens into mature age. Highly-strung people are known for having many outbursts with highly-strung , squeaky voices, that are positively brimming with their emotional selves. It's just that with INTPs, it's normally the horribly depressive squeakiness. So there is another reason for you having such a voice.

Meh.

As with the other posts I've seen, he has enough substance to his ideas to be dangerous while extrapolating more than is warranted and thus setting up a false construct. I wouldn't call that "stupid" per se... which reminds me of another "Otto" line...

 

[Ink]

Wait, what was the part in the middle?

What do you mean?

edit: thank you!

 

[redbaron]

My voice is Bass-Baritone, so...

Not sure I care enough to try and refute the post, since there's no supporting evidence presented. Just a whole lot of conjecture and confirmation bias. Knowing this forum I'm sure others will find the time and motivation to refute it anyway.

 

[pjoa09]

I thought testosterone determined that.

 

[Etheri]

My voice is low enough. So either, I'm not an INTP, I misjudge my own voice, the theory is wrong, or i'm some rare exception... I'll leave others to judge which is more and which is less likely.

 

[Nick]

I'm a purebred INTP, and I have one of the, if not, THEE, lowest voice I know. 5'10", 150lbs.

 

[Hadoblado]

I believe scorpiomover is speaking statistically, though I'm not sure evidence would support what they say. Your thread title implies that they are claiming all INTP's have high voices, which is a nasty strawman.

 

[Fukyo]

I think you took it too personally.

 

[Jennywocky]

Your thread title implies that they are claiming all INTP's have high voices, which is a nasty strawman.

Yeah, I felt that title was a little unfair, even if I don't agree with all the points being made in the quotes.

I think you took it too personally.

That's cuz we're squeaky and insecure.

 

[Matt3737]

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBkWhkAZ9ds

 

[Nick]

Squeaky, at one point in life, but then again I'm everyone who has walked this planet has been there before.

Now the insecurity part, that's like calling an Extrovert outgoing, we all posses more insecurity then most because of our type, our internal reasoning, one of the best I might ad, is so dam good that we can't even secure our own internal thoughts, nevermind verbalized ideas to others.

 

[Ink]

I think you took it too personally.

Well, maybe. But I can make girls cream their pants with my confidence and low voice, not the opposite. So such things aren't related to type.

 

[Duxwing]

Well, maybe. But I can make girls cream their pants with my confidence and low voice, not the opposite. So such things aren't related to type.

Are you sure that they're girls?

-Duxwing

 

[Ink]

Are you sure that they're girls?

-Duxwing

Lol, maybe that's not the right phrase, but I'm sure you know what I mean... not that it matters, just making a point

 

[Duxwing]

Lol, maybe that's not the right phrase, but I'm sure you know what I mean... not that it matters, just making a point

Indeed, point well made.

-Duxwing

 

[Cavallier]

Well, maybe. But I can make girls cream their pants with my confidence and low voice, not the opposite. So such things aren't related to type.

We get it, we get it. You, sir, are a chocolate voiced manly man.

Moving on...

Edit: This thread makes me miss @cheese .

 

[BigApplePi]

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBkWhkAZ9ds

Virile male?

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M02_dnl9zCA

 

[EyeSeeCold]

@ deep / low voices

Vocaroo.com
Recordings or it didn't happen

 

[Matt3737]

Virile male?

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M02_dnl9zCA

Definitely the alpha male. Beastly roar!

 

[SpiralHacker]

I'm here only to battle the false type-theory claims.

J=Confidence. Bullshit.
J=Lower baritone vocal tone. Bullshit.
N=higher tone. Bullshit.
I=higher tone. Bullshit.

"As a result...an INTP male is likely to have a much higher vocal tone." Bullshit and one of the worst arguments I've read in a while.

Bullshit.

The end.

 

[tcclaviger]

74"
200lb
Very low body fat
Very low voice
Self-Assured INTP

Pushed into sports by parents, making it to state level competition in the following:
Wrestling
Swimming
Baseball
Soccer

Currently in the military, 13 years, 4 deployments, almost 900 missions carrying 80-110 pounds of gear on each.

Insecurity can be overcome. Once you have mastered the ability to draw confidence from things you are secure with and apply that security to vulnerable situations it is no longer of any concern whether you appear secure outwardly or really are secure, the end result is outward confidence. His arguments are 100% baseless, your type has nothing to do with your voice or body. Your confidence level has a lot more to do with tone, cadence, aspect.

 

[SLushhYYY]

Confidence is pure self delusion, a man with the mind of logic need not have elevated levels of confidence, for it is deemed unnecessary.

 

[Solitaire U.]

"On top, INTPs tend to suffer from low self-esteem, anxiety and depression, and especially when they are young. This is often referred to as being highly-strung. In other forums, it's been noted and agreed by INTPs, that INTPs tend to not be that great at controlling their emotional outbursts, until they get control of Fe, which normally happens into mature age. Highly-strung people are known for having many outbursts with highly-strung , squeaky voices, that are positively brimming with their emotional selves. It's just that with INTPs, it's normally the horribly depressive squeakiness. So there is another reason for you having such a voice."

And all gay males tend to idolize Judy Garland. Blah blah blah...

 

[cheese]

@Cavallier
Hi, I have a massive penis. Oh, and my voice rumbles like the depths you would stoop to to get me alone, my face is sprouted more than the combined grains of every pussy raw food vegan on the planet, and my balls make feet cry. I'm also, like, really in touch with my feelings. But mainly it's the whole massive-penis thing.

#notsureifrelevant

 

[SpaceYeti]

Your penis is massively gay!


Oooooh, burn!

 

[Cavallier]

*glomps cheese*


...

...

*gets sticky*

...I just don't care...

Oh the unnecessary elipsis!

 

[cheese]

Hey baby. Or should I say, baby carrying my babies. Or should I say, incestuous family "hug". Or should I say, shutthefuckup and listen to a song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JcmQONgXJM

(My penis EATS gay! And spits out SATAN!)