Abrasive music

[Lobstrich]

I'm a music nerd not just as in the casual understanding of just liking more music than top 40 or whatever but I spend a major part of my time exploring music, genres, bands, sounds, acts, collect vinyls etc.

I've a theory (I like to call it that, but it's probably just a hypothesis) as to why I enjoy obscure music and I think they are very much valid arguments for actively seeking out "obscure music" but that's another topic and I've already forgot my point of bringing this up in the first place. Hmm.

Yes, as such I know a lot of obscure music and while I enjoy all kinds of music such as jazz, classical, blues, 'classic/blues rock,' varies kinds of electro etc. I've noticed I tend to prefer lo-fi music.

Lo-fi, distorted, raw, abrasive, noisy, high amounts of treble, feedback etc.

For example my favourite band is noise rock but I also enjoy industrial, power electronics, noise etc.

Some examples:

Noise: (This is one of my favourite records) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9ta0YwCWa0

Industrial/Power Electronics: (one of the few Industrial/PE bands I can take seriously. Most I just think are sort of retarded and I just enjoy for the sound alone) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjGDnX4VZBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j8CEZv25F4

Industrial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cxVBYpMZyc

More 'pure' PE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Ob-2RXe9I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88zp3O8_ahU (Sutcliffe Jügend is an example of PE I think is "retarded" - I get the "point" but I just can't help but think "Right right, I got the message after the first 'song,' no need for X amount of tracks about it but I still just enjoy it on an aesthetic level and purely for it's sound.

Those are some of the most extreme examples but even with other genres such as metal I only really like black metal which is most of the time lo-fi, distorted and with dissonance.
Or punk, I prefer hardcore which is most of the time just very abrasive and "raw" in it's sound.

So, what's the point of the thread?

Hmm, well A: I guess to share this kind of music and
B: Because I'm curious why do I like this kind of music because it is abrasive and it is noisy.

 

[Helvete]

So, what's the point of the thread?

Hmm, well A: I guess to share this kind of music and
B: Because I'm curious why do I like this kind of music because it is abrasive and it is noisy.

Thanks for sharing the links. I'm going to spend some time working my way through some of these as I too like very obscure music, plus a lot not so obscure.

I may dig up a few links of my own a bit later which may suit what you have here.

What did you (enjoy) listen(ing) to before you listened to this sort of music? Did you enjoy what you heard when you were first introduced to this music?

 

[Lobstrich]

Thanks for sharing the links. I'm going to spend some time working my way through some of these as I too like very obscure music, plus a lot not so obscure.

I may dig up a few links of my own a bit later which may suit what you have here.

What did you (enjoy) listen(ing) to before you listened to this sort of music? Did you enjoy what you heard when you were first introduced to this music?

Yes, please do.

What did I enjoy before becoming a 'music nerd'


Well first I had my angsty teen age where I listened to crap like My Chemical Romance and then I 'evolved' to the classic rock stage and listened to Hendrix, Cream, Steppenwolf, Zeppelin etc.

I think it started when I was introduced my favourite band, the Japanese noise rock, by a class mate who basically got me I into appreciating music so much more.

 

[OrLevitate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqFLXayD6e8

I find this rather abrasive. Shit cuts deep. It's raw. Real hardcore messages.

 

[Lobstrich]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqFLXayD6e8

I find this rather abrasive. Shit cuts deep. It's raw. Real hardcore messages.

You are joking, yes?

 

[TheManBeyond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMjClBvlSxI

i feel like this right now, the difference is that he just exists in my imagination at this moment i just project it into the future.

 

[Brontosaurie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6niPi3QoPdQ



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcJsSeaQpQQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=detVSzhnA4U

 

[Lobstrich]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMjClBvlSxI

i feel like this right now, the difference is that he just exists in my imagination at this moment i just project it into the future.

Get out of my thread.

 

[nexion]

Who would have thought that INTPf had some trolls?

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I have historically listened to little noise. In the experience I have had with it, it didn't resonate with me very much. I have a bit of breakcore, flashcore, and power electronics, but I wouldn't really call any of it good. I don't consider most of any kind of metal, no matter how extreme, to be very abrasive, though it is certainly true that there exists a small subset of extreme metal that is.

Abrasive forms for their own sake don't really appeal to me; in music I have always been more drawn to atmosphere or evolution on the grand scale. Noise seems to be a pretty big thing amongst music nerds and it is clear to me that eventually I will run into some of it that I really like, and will therefore start to 'get' the genre as a whole. Until then, I will continue listening to my mostly non-abrasive music.

EDIT: As far as I'm concerned, noise rock and industrial techno have serious potential.

 

[Lobstrich]

Who would have thought that INTPf had some trolls?

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I don't consider most of any kind of metal, no matter how extreme, to be very abrasive, though it is certainly true that there exists a small subset of extreme metal that is.

I'd very much argue things like Burzum, Ildjarn or even Boris are abrasive.

Abrasive forms for their own sake don't really appeal to me; in music I have always been more drawn to atmosphere or evolution on the grand scale. Noise seems to be a pretty big thing amongst music nerds and it is clear to me that eventually I will run into some of it that I really like, and will therefore start to 'get' the genre as a whole. Until then, I will continue listening to my mostly non-abrasive music.

Have you checked out any of the things I linked??

 

[nexion]

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Merely referring to the people who have posted very obviously not abrasive music.

I'd very much argue things like Burzum, Ildjarn or even Boris are abrasive.

I suppose a case could be made, but perhaps I have just listened to so much metal that its more difficult to digest aspects have become normal for me.

Have you checked out any of the things I linked??

I listened to most of the tracks you posted (although I apologize, I am not going to dedicate half an hour of my life to a single power electronics track). The Genocide Organ tracks seem alright, but I found the SPK track legitimately enjoyable. The Secret Apex track was actually pretty good.

It just seems to me that a lot of the artists in this music niche focus on making their music as unlistenable as possible, and the actual quality of the music is diminished in this quest for unending sonic torture. Not to say I don't get and respect the idea, but I look for more meaningful ideas in my listening.

 

[Lobstrich]

Merely referring to the people who have posted very obviously not abrasive music.

Oh right, of course.

I suppose a case could be made, but perhaps I have just listened to so much metal that its more difficult to digest aspects have become normal for me.

Well, I listen to what you saw in OP, and 'more' so surely, if one of us is conditioned to not find metal 'abrasive' it'd be me?

I listened to most of the tracks you posted (although I apologize, I am not going to dedicate half an hour of my life to a single power electronics track). The Genocide Organ tracks seem alright, but I found the SPK track legitimately enjoyable. The Secret Apex track was actually pretty good.

Yes, Sutcliffe Jügend is the 'worst' of what I posted. Genocide Organ are like the gods of PE/industrial in my opinion, I can take them completely serious and enjoy them for more than their sound, unlike SJ.
SPK are at the same level as GO, only pure industrial.

And yes, the album from which I linked that track is absolutely fantastic, I've listened to it many times and I still enjoy it just as much and I still find new sounds.

It just seems to me that a lot of the artists in this music niche focus on making their music as unlistenable as possible, and the actual quality of the music is diminished in this quest for unending sonic torture. Not to say I don't get and respect the idea, but I look for more meaningful ideas in my listening.

Yeah, a lot (most) noise is pretty bad. The reason I enjoy Secret Apex so much is because it's not "wall noise" it's what I'd describe as a "noisy soundscape" because so much stuff is going on beyond the straight up noise.
Man I love that album, I hope he does more. His (Jaakko Vanhala) main act is more pure noise as opposed to Secret Apex, so I hope he does more with his Secret Apex project.

 

[Helvete]

Yes, please do.

What did I enjoy before becoming a 'music nerd'


Well first I had my angsty teen age where I listened to crap like My Chemical Romance and then I 'evolved' to the classic rock stage and listened to Hendrix, Cream, Steppenwolf, Zeppelin etc.

I think it started when I was introduced my favourite band, the Japanese noise rock, by a class mate who basically got me I into appreciating music so much more.

Yes, about the same for me bands wise, maybe the most prominent bands that really got me to like music at the time was Nirvana, Red hot chilli peppers and System of a down. Then it spread from there. I don't really listen to industrial or noise for whatever reason, I don't dislike it but maybe haven't heard enough of it yet and tend towards much darker/chilled out sort of ambiances. That and a lot of psychedelic music nowadays.

Here's some darker stuff. I could of gone black metal but I'm sure you know that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihXo-O4PMyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Djdi6z0m8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkkQVFrwWY0&list=AL94UKMTqg-9ABA6likLnXbN8zuSbNwtap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmdmnnv2NkY

 

[Lobstrich]

I know Sunn O))) and Ulver and I wouldn't consider either "abrasive" in the sense of what I consider to be abrasive in OP.

I'll check the other stuff out.

 

[Helvete]

Yes sorry I was off topic for what you were displaying in op. I was just showing some things I consider to be obscure, not abrasive as I thought you may be interested. Also these terms are relative to the listener; what I posted could easily get interpreted as abrasive by someone who is only used to hearing chart music etc.

 

[redbaron]

Just trying to gauge what you consider is or isn't abrasive. Do you consider something like this abrasive?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbhlzTbJBoQ

Or is it specifically that type of dirty, Lo-Fi distortion sound that you're talking about? I could probably pick some more abrasive songs from Meshuggah but didn't want to post multiple links. 21 minute song was more convenient :P

 

[doncarlzone]

Yes, please do.
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What did I enjoy before becoming a 'music nerd'


Well first I had my angsty teen age where I listened to crap like My Chemical Romance and then I 'evolved' to the classic rock stage and listened to Hendrix, Cream, Steppenwolf, Zeppelin etc.

I think it started when I was introduced my favourite band, the Japanese noise rock, by a class mate who basically got me I into appreciating music so much more.

Couldn't help but change it around a bit:

"Well first I had my angsty teen age where I watched to crap like Bikini Models and then I 'evolved' to the Soft Core stage and watched Playboy TV etc..

I think it started when I was introduced my fetish, Japanese midget porn, by a class mate who basically got me I into appreciating porn so much more."

What's my point? I think music works just like any other behavioral "addiction". The more you listen to music, the more curious you are about it and the more extreme/specific/weird/cool? your taste tends to become.

Why is My Chemical Romance crap just because it doesn't give you a high anymore?

Don't get me wrong, I understand if you think it's crap.

 

[Lobstrich]

Just trying to gauge what you consider is or isn't abrasive. Do you consider something like this abrasive?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbhlzTbJBoQ

Or is it specifically that type of dirty, Lo-Fi distortion sound that you're talking about? I could probably pick some more abrasive songs from Meshuggah but didn't want to post multiple links. 21 minute song was more convenient :P

Meshuggah is definitely not what I was thinking of. It is in fact the kind of metal is dislike a lot. Metal that seems to have some kind of preoccupation with "how forcking broootally fast I can tap this guitar" - It's too clean, too much about technical skill, not very interesting to me.

 

[Lobstrich]

Yes sorry I was off topic for what you were displaying in op. I was just showing some things I consider to be obscure, not abrasive as I thought you may be interested. Also these terms are relative to the listener; what I posted could easily get interpreted as abrasive by someone who is only used to hearing chart music etc.

That's very true. However, when I use terms that are otherwise subjective I do it with (what I consider implicit in any kind of "music nerd discussion") the notion that most people have a pretty good grasp of genres outside of their personal taste and that they know, simple because there is so much more, that silly bands like Slipknot are hardly "abrasive" and in fact quite melodic and "likeable" (hence the millions of fans)

On top of that, I'd say I put the temporary "objective standard" in OP by posting what I consider abrasive, so anything less "extreme" than that would naturally not be abrasive, no?

 

[Lobstrich]

Why is My Chemical Romance crap just because it doesn't give you a high anymore?

Don't get me wrong, I understand if you think it's crap.

I'm assuming you're a fan of them?
That, or you're just curious.

They're crap because it's very basic and plain music that is not by any stretch of the imagination, original, clever, innovative or challenging. It isn't even well put together.

 

[redbaron]

Meshuggah is definitely not what I was thinking of. It is in fact the kind of metal is dislike a lot. Metal that seems to have some kind of preoccupation with "how forcking broootally fast I can tap this guitar" - It's too clean, too much about technical skill, not very interesting to me.

Shit man, it's funny because I find Meshuggah is pretty much the opposite of that. They certainly can play brutally fast when they want to, but they always groove. Lots of technical skill involved, but the thing I find the most engaging about their music is that they have such intense groove. I actually think the technicality is less to do with the fact that they try to make it that way and more to do with them wanting to come up with original grooves.

Just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm a drummer so my primary draw towards music for me is groove and rhythm. Still thanks for the reply. Personally I didn't like much of the music you posted because it has what I interpret as a preoccupation with, "how much fucking noise can I make at once". I think maybe we both simplify and miss the genius behind other kinds of music because of how our personal preferences colour our perception.

Here's a cute face (='_'=)

 

[Absurdity]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htl3XWUhUOM