A little story and some questions about Ne & Ti

[MissQuote]

I don't trust any of the tests to be accurate, I guess mainly because so many of the questions on them are too open ended and vague to make any answer be fully truthful and paint a factual picture.

-an question about whether I would rather go to a party or stay home and read, for example, well I have been to many many parties some of them pleasant some of them horrendous. Do I want to repeat the cocktail housewarming party where I only knew the hostess and everyone was a decade or more older than me and my nerves got me to drink too much and spill a full glass of red wine on the new white carpet in front of everyone? Hell no. But would I like to go to another costume bonfire with my eccentric best friend and dance around drunk? Yeah, that was fun, I'd take that over a book.

So yeah, in order to be able to accurately type myself (I am still not positive about being INTP) or any of my friends or family without having to harass them into taking one of the flawed tests I'll have to learn to understand all of the functions and how they work.

Okay.

So last night when I went to bed I was thinking about this and thinking about why I am the way I am and if I have always been this way and if not where were the shifts and what caused them. I had a thought about why people seem to think children are innocent. My mind posed it like a direct question. And as I was laying there there was a flow of images that went though my mind, each one sort of related to the last in some small way. A memory of being made fun of by the jock boys when I was in 8th grade, then a time I was brutally mean to a girl at the park when I was about ten for no reason whatsoever, then an image (that wasn't a memory) of an adult correcting a child on how to behave towards others and some other similar images. I had another direct thought about humans being naturally cruel creatures that are taught, often through guilt and shame, to behave towards each other in a way to make society function well. Then came another stream of image thoughts about that idea. Then another direct thought. And back and forth. At one point an image of a baby in a crib feeling shame after smearing its poo all over the place in fun and then hearing its babysitter coming in the room popped into my head. And I went, well that was a strange thought, where did that come from. And I remembered it is my grandmas story of the first emotion she ever remembers feeling.

(So I am not going to get into any conclusions I came up with over that whole thought process, because that isn't the point, and it was just drifting off to sleep stuff anyway.)

Right when the thought about the baby came into my head and it made me startle and smile a bit, my mind goes, very directly, like an observer not actually in the thick of all these thoughts, "Wait a minute. I wonder if this whole process that just happened was my Ne? And if so than what is the observer that keeps interrupting? Well that is maybe the Ti?"

Of course then I had to roll that over a bit, but it made sense and I decided it seemed like this might be the case. But then the observer popped back up and said "Wait! We have to be sure. I think we should go ask the others (you guys) and they can confirm it or clear it up."

So my questions are: Am I correct in what functions were playing with each other in that whole thing? Or am I completely wrong? Or halfway in between? Were there more messing with each other than the two? I'd rather ask and find out I am wrong than just go on being wrong. If I am wrong, then what functions do you think they were? If I am wrong could anyone give examples of how the functions it was would play out in a different way as well?

I had to force myself not to procrastinate making this topic. It seemed like a silly topic to make, and then I thought i'd just get to it later after I thought it over better, but then decided I better do just do it now or I would completely forget the whole thing.

Okay. I'm going to stop writing this now.

 

[MissQuote]

Normally I am not necessarily aware of my thoughts behaving like this, either, it was only that I started focusing intently at some point last night on the way they that were behaving that I am able to describe them behaving like this.

And the subjects that were at hand before I started noticing the way I was thinking about them are pretty inconsequential.

 

[Peripheral Visionary]

If I may ask: What functions are you SURE about? What part of the INTP cocktail definitely applies to you?

What you describe sounds like a hypnogogic state-- that Twilight Zone between wakefulness and dreaming. Your thoughts could be rich with meaning, or they could be just random thoughts.

Your subconcious can reveal knowledge to you that you don't know you have. This is the source of so-called "precognitive dreams," which don't come from psychic or paranormal sources, just a place where you observed or deducted something that your consciousness doesn't have time to deal with.

The next time you lie down in bed like that, try to form a definitive question in your concious mind. Give your subconcious a task, a query, a problem. Then let go, let your mind drift from thought to thought and see what happens.

 

[DetachedRetina]

I am not very good with the functions but I would like to note that I have had three distinct experiences very similar to what you have described. Almost exactly the same actually, that were out of the ordinary for me.

Once when I was falling asleep.
Once after having taken a lot of opiates.
Once after finishing a really vigorous run and then trying to "meditate" in the shower.

I don't think that's what Ne is, as we supposedly use Ne all the time.

 

[Meer]

This is a problem with MBTI 'n stuff. What does 'function' mean? How many do we use at once? What does each look like from my own perspective? How long do we use one before switching to another?

 

[MissQuote]

Yeah. I probably just over thought a bunch of falling asleep stuff.

Spoiler

As far as what I am sure off, that would be INXP. I think. mostly.

 

[Mello]

Sounds like you were getting lost in your feelings.

 

[Peripheral Visionary]

As far as what I am sure off, that would be INXP. I think. mostly.

You think this is what you're sure of?

Or do you feel this is what you're sure of?

 

[MissQuote]

I think I am sure of it, I feel unsure of it.

As far as that goes I think that is the problem I am having typing myself. I am very aware of my feelings being separate from my thoughts, and of trusting my thoughts to be what I want to follow. But I have a huge well of emotion and quite the dreamland inside of me. It is all untrustworthy though and I prefer to just let it be, or analyze it when necessary.