A Direct Apology to Moderators

[BigApplePi]

I want to see if I can write this while I'm in an expansive mood having been a might depressed about my encounter in past weeks with you moderators. I definitely feel bad and have felt badly all along that I've offended a number of moderators, and two in particular. Cavallier and Absurdity, I'm certain I've offended both of you because you have said so. And to the rest of the moderators I would say, yes, I'm guilty of not expressing my intentions leading you to think the worst.

The worst being that I'm out to get moderators or to "eliminate" them (paraphrasing what I think one said). In no way is it my wish to stop moderators or moderation. I'd better not go into explaining why lest I get distracted from this message. I thoroughly believe moderators and moderation are necessary for this forum though I admit the need doesn't occur very often as you have said. My unspoken wish was that by discussing the errors and uncertainties we all face we could improve future situations ... just like we do in other threads about other topics. I saw this "moderation/leadership" as a topic. Bad Fe expression on my part as someone suggested.

There is no hiding there was a clash. My wish and hope at the time was to point out what I thought and think were mistakes. I wanted in the back of my mind to discuss those mistakes back and forth ... have a discussion. I naively thought this was possible forgetting that moderation doesn't always have that luxury when action, in one's opinion, has to be taken.

This is Monday, and on Sunday I wrote a very long thing intended for my blog explaining all this and a past clash of mine. Something was wrong about it and I didn't want to post it. I realized it was way too long, awkward and who would want to read it? Maybe if I get time or you want to see it I will message it anyway, but that irrelevant to this message.

The point here is I'm aware I caused an upset and quite aware mistakes* can happen again. I just wanted to say here although my intentions were good, I am a participant in things not working out right. Better luck to avoid this kind of clash in the future but I'm not certain. I don't want to be banned any more than you want to go through any distress in banning me.

*I'm talking my mistakes, not necessarily moderators

 

[Steven Gerrard]

I enjoyed reading that.

 

[Base groove]

A peculiar quality of thinking types is that they tend to want to move on from these kinds of things and not dwell on it. I suspect you want to move on but there is an imaginary obstacle that you have built up in your mind that inhibits you from just forgetting it ever happened, whatever "it" was,

Clearly the fastest and easiest way to resolve this whole entire thing would be if they just explain to you that they don't care that much and you're forgiven for everything you have ever done, as you have obviously learned the lesson (of respect and interpersonal space). A single post of a single sentence from the aforementioned people would probably do some good right now. In fact, not replying would come across as stubborn and childish; a conscious decision to ignore somebody eternally is easily overridden by the conscience.

Meh

 

[Seed-Wad]

Is this why you opened the 'good intentions' topic?

 

[Steven Gerrard]

A peculiar quality of thinking types is that they tend to want to move on from these kinds of things and not dwell on it. I suspect you want to move on but there is an imaginary obstacle that you have built up in your mind that inhibits you from just forgetting it ever happened, whatever "it" was,

Clearly the fastest and easiest way to resolve this whole entire thing would be if they just explain to you that they don't care that much and you're forgiven for everything you have ever done, as you have obviously learned the lesson (of respect and interpersonal space). A single post of a single sentence from the aforementioned people would probably do some good right now. In fact, not replying would come across as stubborn and childish; a conscious decision to ignore somebody eternally is easily overridden by the conscience.

Meh

I wonder if this will make it awkward for the mods to reply?

meta-conversation anyone?

 

[Base groove]

I wonder if this will make it awkward for the mods to reply?

meta-conversation anyone?

No it will not. This forum is overflowing with meta.

 

[Steven Gerrard]

Good. Good.

edit: ... it still might be weird? A little?

 

[Base groove]

What's so hard about saying: apology accepted, it's in the past, now piss off and forget about it and never mention it again, ever? That's the end of that chapter. Done. Finito.

I'm not wrong, it just takes Ne a lot lot lot longer to get there.

 

[Steven Gerrard]

Are you talking to me?

Or are you just generally digressing?

Did you just delete your post?

Is Anything real?

Are you a mod?

 

[Pizzabeak]

Um...

 

[Seed-Wad]

How Can Mods Be Real If Our Forum Isn't Real

I wonder if this will make it awkward for the mods to reply?

meta-conversation anyone?

I love how virtually every topic in here instantly digresses into a meta-discussion about the topic or its qualifiers

 

[Steven Gerrard]

Have the mods said it's okay now piss off?

Why is Base Groove insisting we all stop talking? The Fuzzball.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Have the mods said it's okay now piss off?

Why is Base Groove insisting we all stop talking? The Fuzzball.

I think Base Groove is sort of adopting a cynical shepherd role. Or possibly that of a sheepdog, given his fuzziness.

Otherwise, here are the mods.

I'm guessing that all involved are glad to move on.

Spoiler

Until next time...

 

[Absurdity]

I know I appreciate this. Looks like Cav is taking a break for an unspecified amount of time though.

 

[Jennywocky]

NooOooOooOoooOOO!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA

 

[TimeAsylums]

Otherwise, here are the mods

Looks like Cav is taking a break for an unspecified amount of time though.

and then there were 5 :/

 

[Minuend]

I think it's very positive that you have made a step towards reconciliation, BigApplePi. For a while it seemed you were heading toward an extreme.

 

[BigApplePi]

The worst being that I'm out to get moderators or to "eliminate" them (paraphrasing what I think one said). In no way is it my wish to stop moderators or moderation. I'd better not go into explaining why lest I get distracted from this message. I thoroughly believe moderators and moderation are necessary for this forum though I admit the need doesn't occur very often as you have said. My unspoken wish was that by discussing the errors and uncertainties we all face we could improve future situations ... just like we do in other threads about other topics. I saw this "moderation/leadership" as a topic. Bad Fe expression on my part as someone suggested.

The point here is I'm aware I caused an upset and quite aware mistakes can happen again. I just wanted to say here although my intentions were good, I am a participant in things not working out right. Better luck to avoid this kind of clash in the future but I'm not certain**.

Anybody here ever worked a jigsaw puzzle or a crossword puzzle? It occupies your mind if it isn't finished and there is no closure. Not a big deal but it stiil is what your mind is doing. My post above is not just about the past. I expect new crossword puzzles and new jigsaws. I suppose my point is unfinished businesses and actions go both ways. I am obligated to explain my motives in the future as well as to correct them from the past.

Moderators will have to speak for themselves but at my end I know I upset one who is not posting lately. At the risk of overdoing this, I know she and I don't move in the same circles. That suggests we are both innocent. We've never had a clash before. That one occurred is not her fault. I would welcome her resumption of anything she wants to do. We can each do our own thing ... doesn't matter.

**The laws of probability say clashes will occur in the future. I want to be prepared. People are different and are entitled to be so.

 

[Goku]

There you go sucking up to authority figures again
A pet peeve of mine
Not when you do it (just in general)

 

[BigApplePi]

There you go sucking up to authority figures again
A pet peeve of mine
Not when you do it (just in general)

Fair enough. What would be the alternative?

 

[Jennywocky]

Suck down.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Let's not restrict our sucking. We have 3 spatial dimensions; x,y,z on each of these we can have an angle of (0-360 degree). Many many possibilities out there.

Sucking up/down would be an instance of sucking 90/270 degrees on the y axis .

 

[TimeAsylums]

There you go sucking up to authority figures again
A pet peeve of mine
Not when you do it (just in general)

Fair enough. What would be the alternative?

Suck down.

Blow down

 

[Jennywocky]

Let's not restrict our sucking. We have 3 spatial dimensions; x,y,z on each of these we can have an angle of (0-360 degree). Many many possibilities out there.

Sucking up/down would be an instance of sucking 90/270 degrees on the y axis .

Flexible sucking does make the narrative more interesting, but I was just sticking with the established opposite at the time.

I mean, we have to have some consistency, otherwise before you know it people will move on to licking, suckling, clutching, and dribbling.

Blow down

Blowing is really just the opposite end of sucking.

You know, like using Catdog as an object lesson: When Cat sucks, Dog blows. It is the magic of physics, and nature abhors a vacuum even if men do not.

 

[Minuend]

Fair enough. What would be the alternative?

Ignore him. He either doesn't know the situation or lack the ability to analyze it.

 

[Hawkeye]

I think people should say sorry to BAP for making him feel so guilty ^^

 

[BigApplePi]

I think people should say sorry to BAP for making him feel so guilty ^^

Line up. Those who are sorry on the left, those not sorry on the right. Those making me do anything in the middle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLR25EJtfE
Time for a little kick ass.

 

[Grayman]

BAP

I am in disbelief that you said anything truly insulting. I have not been around much so have probably missed it but it is hard to imagine you saying anything meant to hurt. Was this private or was this on your journal or somewhere else. From what I know of you, I don't believe you would insult except when there is something heavy on your heart that has broken you down. If that is the case, any insult from you should be viewed in an empathetic light to your current emotional standing. We all go through rough times and we all have to accept that we lose control. If you are dwelling on this because you want to understand it, that is fine but beware punishing yourself with regret for there is likely no one who is putting you under the iron rod of judgment as much as you are.

 

[Goku]

Fair enough. What would be the alternative?

you seem to be apologizing for offending moderators...

why do you feel the need to apologize to them for that?

Maybe I'm just the guy who lacks tact and doesn't see the need to apologize to every person he offends;

My point is that, just realize you might be apologizing because they still have power and leverage over you, not because you actually regret your actions.

You act how you act because you are you. If you offend another person for being you, and if you did not intentionally harm them nor infringe upon any of their rights, I do not see the need for an apology.

My expressions often come off as 50% facetious because of my exquisite use of sarcasm, however, all my points are born from pure logic, and I can always defend and elaborate when pushed to do so.

Overall, I don't see why authority figures deserve any more or less respect than any other person or figure. That is a personal opinion of course, and a point that people may just need to "agree to disagree" with.

If moderators felt they were owed an apology, then, it also seems that, as a group, they were being too sensitive.

If cops are too sensitive about things, they'll end up getting offended and reacting emotionally to things that they shouldn't. If some guy trolls a cop because the cop's name is "Officer Tomago" and a dude eggs him on and calls him "Officer Tomato" and it reminds him of childhood bullying and then Officer Tomago shoots the guy who called him "Tomato," I'd say the cop was too sensitive.

I want my cops to be more like Robocop, devoid of all emotion, very spock-like.

Cops in real life have a big issue with respect though. The more respect (suck-up) you feed them, the more likely they will let you off the ticket.

Express to them you were wrong, say sorry, say "mister" and "sir" and show remorse. Just tell them what they want to hear and make them feel big and badass.

Maybe that is your game, I don't know.

 

[Hawkeye]

 

[Goku]

My paragraphs are so efficient, they appear as sentences.

 

[Hawkeye]

It hurts my eye... I skipped the majority of it because it felt like I was reading a telegram.

Spoiler

Officer Tomago getting egged on. I see what you did there. ^^

 

[BigApplePi]

you seem to be apologizing for offending moderators...

why do you feel the need to apologize to them for that?

Maybe I'm just the guy who lacks tact and doesn't see the need to apologize to every person he offends;

My point is that, just realize you might be apologizing because they still have power and leverage over you, not because you actually regret your actions.

You act how you act because you are you. If you offend another person for being you, and if you did not intentionally harm them nor infringe upon any of their rights, I do not see the need for an apology.

My expressions often come off as 50% facetious because of my exquisite use of sarcasm, however, all my points are born from pure logic, and I can always defend and elaborate when pushed to do so.

Overall, I don't see why authority figures deserve any more or less respect than any other person or figure. That is a personal opinion of course, and a point that people may just need to "agree to disagree" with.

If moderators felt they were owed an apology, then, it also seems that, as a group, they were being too sensitive.

If cops are too sensitive about things, they'll end up getting offended and reacting emotionally to things that they shouldn't. If some guy trolls a cop because the cop's name is "Officer Tomago" and a dude eggs him on and calls him "Officer Tomato" and it reminds him of childhood bullying and then Officer Tomago shoots the guy who called him "Tomato," I'd say the cop was too sensitive.

I want my cops to be more like Robocop, devoid of all emotion, very spock-like.

Cops in real life have a big issue with respect though. The more respect (suck-up) you feed them, the more likely they will let you off the ticket.

Express to them you were wrong, say sorry, say "mister" and "sir" and show remorse. Just tell them what they want to hear and make them feel big and badass.

Maybe that is your game, I don't know.

Lots of good points Goku.

The thing is moderators are not ordinary posters. They have a dual role: that of posters and that of authority. That puts them in a tough position. When their authority is questioned, as I did, it undermines the action they believe to take.

Reminds me of a couple Presidents of the USA. When the President is addressed, we don't call him Richard (Nixon) or Barry (Hussein Obama). We call him Mr. President. That is so his authority is recognized. Such authority is important ... as long as he plays his proper role which is to lead us and to protect us. But presidents are human too. When Nixon violated the law, he was forced to resign. We Obama failed to implement his health care program professionally, he was and is roundly criticized. So we as ordinary citizens face a duality: We have to treat the authority with the respect his position deserves and we have to lean on him/her when they exhibit human faults. If they show they can't hold their office of authority, we have to move them out. But we can't do that summarily because we have to give them the same chance we would give an ordinary person ... the same chance we would want for ourselves.

My act of apology doesn't represent myself as some island alone. It is meant to show I recognize the above. It's a relationship. I believe respect should go both ways. Of course such complexity is not easily expressed or conveyed.

Are there any points you made I missed? I'm trying to watch "Mission Impossible III" and then leave for the city, so I lack time.

 

[Steven Gerrard]

I'm pretty sure from the tone of your post you meant your apology BigApple.

 

[Puffy]

I'd note that (as far as I'm aware) no one has asked BAP to apologise to them, so this is a voluntary sentiment.

Like Absurdity, I do appreciate it, even if only for the sentiment itself. I've never felt you needed to leave the forum or anything like that, so I'm glad reconciliation is possible.

 

[Grayman]

Maybe I'm just the guy who lacks tact and doesn't see the need to apologize to every person he offends;

My point is that, just realize you might be apologizing because they still have power and leverage over you, not because you actually regret your actions.

(Not relevant yet...but it may help you understand what I am getting at..)Generally, I apologize to someone when I lack foresight for how my actions would hurt them due to a lapse of considering their point of view. I do not like to cause them unnecessary harm so I feel guilt. The guilt is more a consequence of not maintaining my own personal value system, which is to not intentionally or neglectfully hurt another individual. The guilt is more a result of going against my own value system as apposed to a direct result of hurting another individual.



I don't doubt that BAP values relationships, even if it is on an intellectual level as opposed to an emotional one, but I think it a bit of both. He puts effort in establishing and maintaining these relationships with most everybody open to it.

I would say that relationships are one of the things he values the most while at the same time he seems to 'feel' that he struggles with it a lot. His recent complaints are with people getting kicked out of the forum or people not getting heard. It would seem that these things go against what he values in creating bonds with people instead of rejecting them. I think this irritation is further elevated by his own want to be accepted and valued. He sees how they are treated and is angered by it likely because it would be devastating if it were done to him. This is also elevated by his recent struggles of feeling isolated. Maybe even a feeling of loss that he will not be able to get to know those people that were forced or pushed into leaving because he will never see them again. I am sure this would make him feel more isolated. I also see that he felt he may have more in common with the Blob and feels more regret in his departure than most anyone else. I am thinking this is likely due to age similarities. I think these feelings have brought him to his most recent actions with the moderators and such as this.

I think my very own differences are likely obvious in this post. People who are unique or are different often deal with feeling isolated and it is common in the INTP being a small percent of the population but worse is the fact that the INTP are not even 'that' similar to each other unlike the strong Fe types who seem to conform to a standard and way of thought very well. I have seen some INTP who are not happy with their own type for this reason and often entertain the idea of being other types or imitating them.

It may be possible that he felt he went against this value system when he burdened his relationship with the moderators with whatever he did. I would not be surprised if there was an element of guilt in this. I think he feels the need to repair the bridges that he fears he may have burned in order to meet with his own value system. I doubt this has anywhere as much to do with the need to recognize authority as much as it does human bonding in general.

Perhaps I should just be ignored as I am likely not correct in any of my observations, as they are all built on multiple assumptions, but perhaps there is something to be learned from this anyways so why not put it out there to be observed and let it be what it is. Nothing or something, true or false, who am I to decide, it is but what I see at first glance but not to be accepted or judged as anything but what it is, an observation.

 

[Cavallier]

I know I appreciate this. Looks like Cav is taking a break for an unspecified amount of time though.

and then there were 5 :/

*feels a disturbance in the force*

I'd note that (as far as I'm aware) no one has asked BAP to apologise to them, so this is a voluntary sentiment.

Like Absurdity, I do appreciate it, even if only for the sentiment itself. I've never felt you needed to leave the forum or anything like that, so I'm glad reconciliation is possible.

Righto. I never personally asked for or wanted an apology either though I appreciate the sentiment. I am a bit busy IRL and honestly needed a bit of a break from the forum. I'm on a sabbatical for a while. I'll be back but I need some time away thus my slow response to this thread.

 

[BigApplePi]

Goku. Since you took the time to write that, I will attempt a reply.

you seem to be apologizing for offending moderators...

Yes. I think I would prefer to question their specific actions without offending them as people.

why do you feel the need to apologize to them for that?

Fear of being banned if I don't give some sort of explanation of where I am at and then repeating it because I will continue to question questionable acts. But further, and more generally, offending someone is not desirable. Now mind you, the innocent can be offensive as when the very existence of Jews in Nazi Germany offended Nazis. This is a problem not addressed here.

Maybe I'm just the guy who lacks tact and doesn't see the need to apologize to every person he offends;

I dunno. One doesn't always know if they've offended. We would have to look at your case. Have you EVER apologized?

My point is that, just realize you might be apologizing because they still have power and leverage over you, not because you actually regret your actions.

Doesn't power deserve some respect?

You act how you act because you are you. If you offend another person for being you, and if you did not intentionally harm them nor infringe upon any of their rights, I do not see the need for an apology.

That's a tough one. I think, if the occasion presents itself, and I'm asked to explain me, that is a worthwhile thing. Do you agree? Even if I don't explain in writing and just keep it to myself, I need to know why I act as I do. Sunday (this is Tuesday) I started to write a long thing. I don't think it had an overt apology in it but it may have been implied. It was too rational. I have to go back and read it. Anyway by making an apology I show emotion. Emotion is a short cut in showing intention. Reasoning takes too long. I think I made the apology because it was so much shorter and I didn't have to write out an autobiography.

My expressions often come off as 50% facetious because of my exquisite use of sarcasm, however, all my points are born from pure logic, and I can always defend and elaborate when pushed to do so.

Okay.

Overall, I don't see why authority figures deserve any more or less respect than any other person or figure. That is a personal opinion of course, and a point that people may just need to "agree to disagree" with.

I believe I posted about that today somewhere. Authority figures occupy an office. One could disapprove of the person and approve of the office. It's something like, "My country right or wrong, my country."

If moderators felt they were owed an apology, then, it also seems that, as a group, they were being too sensitive.

Yes, but can we forgive that human flaw? If moderators perceive they or their office is being attacked, they will want to defend. I make it my job to check out those flaws and correct them. I'm not saying that well. You say they are sensitive. If they are, I have to reassure them they are not being attacked. Makes sense?

If cops are too sensitive about things, they'll end up getting offended and reacting emotionally to things that they shouldn't. If some guy trolls a cop because the cop's name is "Officer Tomago" and a dude eggs him on and calls him "Officer Tomato" and it reminds him of childhood bullying and then Officer Tomago shoots the guy who called him "Tomato," I'd say the cop was too sensitive.

I agree. I just heard today on the radio a retired police captain shot and killed a guy in the movie theater because he was texting when the guy threw popcorn at him. That is overreacting.

I want my cops to be more like Robocop, devoid of all emotion, very spock-like.

Robocops show very poor judgment.

Cops in real life have a big issue with respect though. The more respect (suck-up) you feed them, the more likely they will let you off the ticket.

Now you tell me. I got a ticket anyway.

Express to them you were wrong, say sorry, say "mister" and "sir" and show remorse. Just tell them what they want to hear and make them feel big and badass.

That could be going too far.

Maybe that is your game, I don't know.

. If I talked about Israel and Palestine apologizing to each other, I'd have to apologize putting that in this thread instead of outside.

 

[Grayman]

Doesn't power deserve some respect?
.

Absolutely not!

Everyone deserves 'some' or equal opportunity for your respect but power is a gift and a curse to those who are already respected. Those who are not respected are eventually deposed. Power is never deserved only given.

The position is just a position we should view it as simply a function, a tool, and it should only respected like a wrench is respected for being a wrench. If the wrench is broken or does not do its job right then get a new one. If it works great, lube it and take care of it so that you don't get stuck with a broken wrench.

 

[BigApplePi]

Originally Posted by BigApplePi

Doesn't power deserve some respect?

Absolutely not!

Everyone deserves 'some' or equal opportunity for your respect but power is a gift and a curse to those who are already respected. Those who are not respected are eventually deposed. Power is never deserved only given.

The position is just a position we should view it as simply a function, a tool, and it should only respected like a wrench is respected for being a wrench. If the wrench is broken or does not do its job right then get a new one. If it works great, lube it and take care of it so that you don't get stuck with a broken wrench.

What if the wrench is dropped on your toe? It's not a feather, ya know. What if a wrench is hurled in your general direction? Isn't that to be respected*?

*I mean for power, not for moral goodness.

 

[Cavallier]

Absolutely not!

Everyone deserves 'some' or equal opportunity for your respect but power is a gift and a curse to those who are already respected. Those who are not respected are eventually deposed. Power is never deserved only given.

I really do agree with this. However, I don't like the word power. Power is kind of a dirty word in my book. Also, I don't like how many people use authority and power interchangeably. They simply aren't the same thing. I prefer the word authority because it indicates that at some point the person who has it had to prove their merit in whatever area it is that they were given authority. To me, having earned authority means the person has earned respect for their knowledge and ability.

Obviously not all who are in authority actually earned it.

The position is just a position we should view it as simply a function, a tool, and it should only respected like a wrench is respected for being a wrench. If the wrench is broken or does not do its job right then get a new one. If it works great, lube it and take care of it so that you don't get stuck with a broken wrench.

I also agree with this but I draw the line at saying the position and the person filling the position equate the same thing. A person is a complex creature who holds many positions. The position of Admin Staff is just a position. The people who wear the Admin Staff hat are defined by more than just their authority in this forum.

Also, how come I haven't been lubed yet? AND how come nobody told me that was a perk of the position?

Pffft. NOW I'm mad.

 

[crippli]

Doesn't power deserve some respect?

It's not always easy to say where power begins and ends.

But first, I think one must understand what power is?

What is more challenging, calmly being executed(shot)? Or calmly execute(shoot) someone else? If you could choose between these two alternatives, what would require most power? What would tax the body and mind the most?

Freedom, is this power? Is Mr.President(Obama) 'a dog in a leash' or running freely with hair loose, barely more on then a flowery dress and singing joyful tones?

Power is in the mind...

 

[BigApplePi]

I really do agree with this. However, I don't like the word power. Power is kind of a dirty word in my book. Also, I don't like how many people use authority and power interchangeably. They simply aren't the same thing. I prefer the word authority because it indicates that at some point the person who has it had to prove their merit in whatever area it is that they were given authority. To me, having earned authority means the person has earned respect for their knowledge and ability.

Cav. I used the word power, but didn't mean it as a dirty word. It comes from physics and means the ability to carry out work ... whatever that means. I meant it only as a technical. Authority is different and refers to people.

Also, how come I haven't been lubed yet? AND how come nobody told me that was a perk of the position?

You mean you think being lubed is an entitled perk? You don't mean those in authority can take advantage above and beyond their position, do you? No you don't mean that. That would smack of ... dare I say it ... like taking money under the table?

 

[TimeAsylums]

Doesn't power deserve some respect?

omg. don't get me started

Absolutely not!

Power is never deserved only given.

^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Base groove]

I really do agree with this. However, I don't like the word power. Power is kind of a dirty word in my book. Also, I don't like how many people use authority and power interchangeably. They simply aren't the same thing. I prefer the word authority because it indicates that at some point the person who has it had to prove their merit in whatever area it is that they were given authority. To me, having earned authority means the person has earned respect for their knowledge and ability.

Obviously not all who are in authority actually earned it.

Obviously you equate power to authority, then. How else could you go off and explain the virtue of authority being earned and given by definition, only to contradict yourself by implying that authority can be acquired without earning it? What did I not understand?

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Obviously you equate power to authority, then. How else could you go off and explain the virtue of authority being earned and given by definition, only to contradict yourself by implying that authority can be acquired without earning it? What did I not understand?

Power over another is control over another with no recourse. Authority is control with recourse. Ascribed authority is given; achieved authority is earned.

 

[Grayman]

What if the wrench is dropped on your toe? It's not a feather, ya know. What if a wrench is hurled in your general direction? Isn't that to be respected*?

*I mean for power, not for moral goodness.

No. I would question the person who dropped it or threw it. Perhaps it was an accident. I would not feel anything toward the wrench, good or bad. Respectful or disrespectful.

 

[Goku]

[...] Have you EVER apologized?

Lol yes. But, I'm more of a 5% apologizer. Like, an average person might apologize for 50% of the things he/she should apologize for. I am really, really annoyed by the Sorry Susans. You know, those people who apologize for every fucking thing. It's like omg get some confidence. I apologize when I truly feel sorry-- these situations where I have both unintentionally hurt someone AND I feel that they are not being too sensitive. When I encounter extremely sensitive people my reaction is something like "ugh go get some real problems."

It's a judgment call on my part, and I'm on the low-end of the sympathy meter.

Doesn't power deserve some respect?

What was the best thing to do with Sauron's ring? Destroy it. I think the lesson is that only evil will emerge from power.

[...] If moderators perceive they or their office is being attacked, they will want to defend. I make it my job to check out those flaws and correct them. I'm not saying that well. You say they are sensitive. If they are, I have to reassure them they are not being attacked. Makes sense?

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[Grayman]

Also, how come I haven't been lubed yet? AND how come nobody told me that was a perk of the position?

It is a delicate matter. The lube has to be appropriate to the wrench and in proper proportions. It requires a lot of examination to the materials used in the making of the wrench and the conditions in which the wrench might be used.

 

[Base groove]

Power over another is control over another with no recourse. Authority is control with recourse. Ascribed authority is given; achieved authority is earned.

Thank you