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They have it so all aspects of the system can be examined. That would mean not only the eyes but the complete history of what the system did, is doing, and would do in the future under different circumstances in all areas of the system hierarchy. Practically it is a system without a...

So I think I got it. We can know where things are. And we can get them to be somewhere else. It depends on what we want. Wants lead to decisions and intelligence is the means to it. In all the ways something can be done, the minimum path is usually taken. So it is important to weigh...

Certain people in the past. Are people I cannot be around anymore. I learned who they are, I should avoid them.

no, please don't do that.

Look, I did something bad. That is what you want me to admit to. So yes I did all those things but I believe you did the exact same. It might be true or false but I cannot get over the fact that you are mad at me. I do not want people mad at me but if we are to not fight anyone I advise you...

That would not allow me to understand them. I do not see why that is bad. Because I cannot read your mind and I must think about what you are saying so I can communicate what it is I can say. how am I supposed to know what is true and false in your mind? I never definitely said old things...

I don't think you are a bad person. Is that what you think I did by making assumptions about what you believe? I said you did the same thing and I would not say I am offended. I am offended when people think I have no flexibility to change. I gave many reasons why this or that could be this...

I cannot accept that you intended it that way, nowhere have I said anything bad about you. if I was saying you were a bad guy then I would not have wrote what I wrote. if you can't understand what I wrote then you do not understand what I wrote was not about your morals but about the way you...

you said that the reason people do not accept my ideas is because they suck and why should I accept you are responsible and not rationalizing as well? you again make out that I am the one rationalizing so indeed I was correct that you accuse me what I accuse you of. the shadow of INFP is...

This is reverse psychology: you are ISTJ and I am INFP which means you will take everything I say the wrong way because in the shadow of MBTI everything you said about me is what you yourself are doing in the view of the other person. Everything you said about me is what you are doing as the...

I believe that I have come to partial terms with feeling rejected. It was the case that I felt the need to take control of the situations I was in by trying too hard to get others to understand me. This led to many confrontations where I lost composure and I had to slow down. Every time I...

you said it was antithetical to Christianity? and if it is then that makes me blasphemous in some way?

ok then, I don't need to make assumptions. I personally have been able to understand the mind by looking inside myself. I have been able to heal some emotional pain I had because I looked inside. I believe that most people cannot do this and act based on the pain they have. Is what I am...

May I ask then why you fear looking inside yourself? I believe that by doing so one can understand the mind. I do it all the time, I get better at it all the time.

fine, what is it you expect of me? to be angry and retaliate? I only ask you to look inside yourself

You are hurt deep down. You don't understand. So I cannot help you.

I think @Old Things you have emotional pain, we all do. You are opposed to looking inside yourself to confront that pain. That is why you are so impatient with me, I would like to say that if I offended you please don't take that personally, I am not trying to dismantle your beliefs. I just...

Then please explain things in ways I can understand. You are putting less effort into it than I think you could be. Many people have spoken to God before and those people never heard of the bible. You assume that no one has and all people rejected God. You assume no one is wise enough to...

Humans cannot understand the mind? Why does this thread exist?

If humans can reason. Would it not be the case. That we can understand what God understands about the mind to an extent? Do you mean to say that humans can't reason about the mind? Humans all know what good and bad is. Humans can deduce that the idea of God exists. Most Western religious...

If humans are worthless to God then why would God want to save them? You have not explained why humans are special in that regard. You have only said they are worthless.

I think @Old Things that if you are not going to try and understand what I am saying then it must be that you have trouble understanding ideas in the first place. This is a INTP forum where we are trying to communicate differences in ideas and come to some kind of mutual understanding but in...

Regardless of what beliefs we have about religion, people can look inside themselves to learn about the mind. It is what Carl Jung did when he came up with Introversion as a term. I think I have experienced every function both introverted and extroverted. I know I have experienced Ni because...

I have had many encounters with people who tell me I am wrong on this or that matter when it comes to my ideas so it is not like I have not experienced this before. I guess that it is because people don't understand them that they reject them. So I do try and explain what it is I am saying to...

Are you made in God's image or are you not made in God's image? If you are then he will not throw you away. You need to accept that God loves you and stop believing you are worthless.

you cannot save bad things you can only save good things God does not care you are "good enough" God cares that you are something made in his image (love) love is not something you throw away. if we were not made of love at the deepest level, God would not care at all.

Black and White thinkers just can't be any other way. Man, it totally Bad or Man is totally Good. Rubbish.

sin exists but man is not satan man is gods image not satan

if this is true then no one has been saved not a single person has been saved

what you are saying is that every human is not only sinful but pure sin itself. you are saying that humans are sin incarnate, evil incarnate, not God's image that makes no sense and I cannot see why you would think this.

How? I am just saying we are not evil to the core. If the core is evil Grace cannot save us at all. You believe looking inside us always is bad which makes no sense.

In the Bible: Pharisee = a person who believes in the supernatural Sadducees = a person who does not believe in the supernatural It has nothing to do with moral character. What Jesus was saying is that the council had people on it who believed but did not practice their beliefs. In other...

Humans are not purely bad or purely good on the inside or outside. Some have a healthy unconscious and some do not.

@ZenRaiden oldthings believes only bad things exist in the unconscious as Sigmund Freud did.

Sigmund Freud said the unconscious is where all the shit goes. (all the bad things we want to do) Carl Jung disagreed which was one of the main reasons he left. Jung said that dreams and visions happen because good things exist inside us as well. Freud was ISTJ so maybe he had bad nightmares...

so love is a lie? or what is a lie? I don't know what you mean by the terms you use?

No one can tell me my personal experience is not my personal experience. That would be like me telling you that you don't feel love because I don't feel love. When discussing consciousness we need to understand everyone has different experiences. We are not all the same. Nowhere in the bible...

Christians This is what I mean by ignorance. Christians can be Buddhist because Buddhism is not a matter of doctrine but a matter of finding out what is true about the mind. If Christianity is true then that is fine because the Buddha was only concerned about what it was his mind was doing...

Then please act like a Christian and don't use Buddhism as a pejorative if you understand what it is. Buddhism is not bad it is simply a science. I hope you don't oppose unbiased science?

You say that as if you are angry. (because of your religion) Buddhism accepts anything that is true about consciousness. No one has a monopoly on anything in terms of science. It is why many schools exist that disagree in Buddhism about what it is.

Buddhism is the study of consciousness. The science of the mind. I think that is relevant to this thread. Science is unbiased as to what the truth is.

So I am correct, you don't know what it is. very well then, do you want to know or stay ignorant? it is not like you appose knowing what is true. you said you want to know what is true did you not?

I don't think you know what that is. Many "Christians" bring it up in the pejorative because they oppose it as something that supposedly competes with their religion. I really don't think you know what it is.

I understand what you mean by this. The ability to self-correct is not there. I would say however, that self-correcting is not something that has not been thought of before by the experts. (if I know about it they know about it) There will be a transition that will occur when we move on from...

I recently found out that, trying to look at or listen to, the way the body moves helps me meditate. Because when I do I am paying attention to everything at the same time. I find that I get faster and perceive more. The reason I bring this up is because I have been trying to understand...

You can be crazy because you happen to know reality as it is truly outside the Overton window or you can be crazy because you know reality as it is truly not, even within that window. What matters is if you can correct yourself. The definition of Delusion is a persistent untrue belief.

The only alternative to a constitution is a dictatorship and we saw what happened in 1933. If the power of AI is given to the people then the only way to do so would be by constitutionally voting the power away from the corporations. Anything else would lead to dictatorship by whoever took...

If it becomes public then people rebel, have you seen the anti-ai stickers on art websites? they keep it secret because they lack the power to become the top power of all the economy and all the world. government is the dominant cooperation. they will not let anything destroy their dominance...

I hear that 95% of the vitamins and minerals that are good for you no longer exist in modern carrots.

I think it would be appropriate to clarify what diversity is? Wal-Mart took over (4 exist in my area) but that does not mean everything is Walmart. 99.9% of the city is not Walmart. Is this the same for the internet and A.I.(?) This is just the same as before - that makes A.I. a buzzword and...