The Random Thoughts Thread

[Puffy]

Personally, I think it's better people put their effort into taking care of the earth as if it were eden than trying to find eden elsewhere. Not saying you're doing that though as I get the sense that earth based spirituality is important to you. Ultimately any heightened or spiritual states that are reached are about bringing it down to earth and enhancing life here. We only get this brief opportunity to live here, we have all of eternity for the rest of it.

 

[Old Things]

Saying Satan is good, is completely debased from what the Bible says about him. These fantastical claims are what the Bible talks about when it says the people have "itching ears" and "will not stand sound doctrine."

 

[Old Things]

Personally, I think it's better people put their effort into taking care of the earth as if it were eden than trying to find eden elsewhere. Not saying you're doing that though as I get the sense that earth based spirituality is important to you. Ultimately any heightened or spiritual states that are reached are about bringing it down to earth and enhancing life here. We only get this brief opportunity to live here, we have all of eternity for the rest of it.

Bringing Eden to the current Earth is what Jesus calls the "Kingdom of Heaven."

Read the Lord's prayer. It's all there.

Matthew 6:9-13
"Pray then like this:
“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil."

 

[dr froyd]

Saying Satan is good, is completely debased from what the Bible says about him. These fantastical claims are what the Bible talks about when it says the people have "itching ears" and "will not stand sound doctrine."

Satan is much better than Jesus and all the rest. He's much more aligned with personal freedom and reason, instead of all this constant nauseating sentimentality, last-shall-be-first bs, "love" (which is just a bunch of hypocrisy anyway), aspirations for weakness, and submission to some imaginary father figure. Christians hate Satan not because he's evil but because he represents the villain in their anti-life project

 

[Puffy]

Saying Satan is good, is completely debased from what the Bible says about him. These fantastical claims are what the Bible talks about when it says the people have "itching ears" and "will not stand sound doctrine."

Satan is much better than Jesus and all the rest. He's much more aligned with personal freedom and reason, instead of all this constant nauseating sentimentality, last-shall-be-first bs, "love" (which is just a bunch of hypocrisy anyway), aspirations for weakness, and submission to some imaginary father figure. Christians hate Satan not because he's evil but because he represents the villain in their anti-life project

Satanism is a spectrum that can go from a harmless philosophy of individualism to the types of people you wouldn't want to mess with. But I'd say this is in keeping with what a lot of Satanists I've come across think.

 

[Bluehalite]

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Can drink this once a day, or as needed, as a natural way to heal your body.

 

[Old Things]

Saying Satan is good, is completely debased from what the Bible says about him. These fantastical claims are what the Bible talks about when it says the people have "itching ears" and "will not stand sound doctrine."

Satan is much better than Jesus and all the rest. He's much more aligned with personal freedom and reason, instead of all this constant nauseating sentimentality, last-shall-be-first bs, "love" (which is just a bunch of hypocrisy anyway), aspirations for weakness, and submission to some imaginary father figure. Christians hate Satan not because he's evil but because he represents the villain in their anti-life project

John 8:44
"You are of your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies."

Really? So you think a lying murderer is better than a person who laid down his life willingly so we could be forgiven of our sins? Tell me more.

 

[Old Things]

Saying Satan is good, is completely debased from what the Bible says about him. These fantastical claims are what the Bible talks about when it says the people have "itching ears" and "will not stand sound doctrine."

Satan is much better than Jesus and all the rest. He's much more aligned with personal freedom and reason, instead of all this constant nauseating sentimentality, last-shall-be-first bs, "love" (which is just a bunch of hypocrisy anyway), aspirations for weakness, and submission to some imaginary father figure. Christians hate Satan not because he's evil but because he represents the villain in their anti-life project

Satanism is a spectrum that can go from a harmless philosophy of individualism to the types of people you wouldn't want to mess with. But I'd say this is in keeping with what a lot of Satanists I've come across think.

Satanism (in all its forms) is inherently selfish, which is the opposite of Christianity.

 

[dr froyd]

John 8:44
"You are of your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies."

Really? So you think a lying murderer is better than a person who laid down his life willingly so we could be forgiven of our sins? Tell me more.

it's an interesting passage actually, because it illustrates my point; Jesus says: everything i say is absolute truth and if you don't believe it then you are the son of Satan (and btw Satan is a murderer (although i can't point to any specific murders))

so once again it's the process of engineering the concept of Satan as something evil, but "evil" just essentially meaning you are questioning the authority of Jesus

 

[Old Things]

John 8:44
"You are of your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies."

Really? So you think a lying murderer is better than a person who laid down his life willingly so we could be forgiven of our sins? Tell me more.

it's an interesting passage actually, because it illustrates my point; Jesus says: everything i say is absolute truth and if you don't believe it then you are the son of Satan (and btw Satan is a murderer (although i can't point to any specific murders))

so once again it's the process of engineering the concept of Satan as something evil, but "evil" just essentially meaning you are questioning the authority of Jesus

Satan kills lots of people. The only reason he didn't kill Job is that God told Satan he couldn't kill him. He does not need to kill them himself. He can work through other means. Just as a fentanyl dealer may not directly kill anyone, he is responsible for the deaths of many people in the US today.

John 14:30
"I will not talk with you much longer, because the ruler of the world is coming."

Stan was responsible for Christ dying.

1 John 5:18-19
"We know that everyone who has been born of God does not sin, but the one who is born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. We know that we are of God, and the whole world is under the sway of the evil one."

Ephesians 2:1-2
"And you were dead in your trespasses and sins in which you previously walked according to the ways of this world, according to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit now working in the disobedient."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
"But if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. In their case, the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

If Christ works through Christians on earth, then that means Satan works through everyone else.

Who do you think is responsible for a great amount of evil and injustice in the world? Satan. He is the ruler of this world. Any time evil is done in this world, it is Satan behind it. Satan has authority from God to kill if God allows it.

Satan is not your friend. All he has is hate and contempt for humanity because we are made in the image of God. Satan uses people. He's the epitome of a narcissistic psychopath. All that talk about Satan being a "free thinker" doesn't take into account that Satan just uses and abuses people for his own selfish gains to try and get back at God. Satan has a grudge against God and humanity. He doesn't care about you. He hates you. He wants you to suffer. That is why demonic possession is so bad. A demonically possessed person is completely irrational and full of hate, fear, no hope, and no joy. Demonic possession is real and so is Satan.

 

[dr froyd]

Any time evil is done in this world, it is Satan behind it

i thought the doctrine was that humans themselves are sinful, depraved creatures by nature, and the only hope is to follow God's law

everyone has free and will be judged based on their actions. But then the only good way to use your free will is to follow instructions, lest you be severely punished (so for much ethics)

and then somehow Satan is responsible for all the bad shit we do (sounds like scapegoating if ask me). It seems Satan is our only buddy in this messed-up game that someone supposedly set up. That's why they try to lead us away from him, lead us astray from our own nature and will to live as free beings.

 

[Old Things]

Any time evil is done in this world, it is Satan behind it

i thought the doctrine was that humans themselves are sinful, depraved creatures by nature, and the only hope is to follow God's law

everyone has free and will be judged based on their actions. But then the only good way to use your free will is to follow instructions, lest you be severely punished (so for much ethics)

and then somehow Satan is responsible for all the bad shit we do (sounds like scapegoating if ask me). It seems Satan is our only buddy in this messed-up game that someone supposedly set up. That's why try to lead us away from him, lead us astray from our own nature and will to live as free beings.

I want you to watch this short. It talks about this. Yes, we are responsible for what we do. But true freedom is not the freedom to do whatever you want. That's just anarchy, and it might makes right.

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[Puffy]

In fairness though, God's kill count in the Bible is magnitudes higher than Satan's.

 

[Old Things]

In fairness though, God's kill count in the Bible is magnitudes higher than Satan's.

How do you figure? God is not responsible for evil. That is only due to Satan or fallen humanity. If what I said is true, then Satan is responsible for all injustice. Even if God commanded that people be killed, it's a far smaller number than what Hitler or Stalin did, which was run through proxy by Satan. God sure did not command Hitler to kill 6 million Jews.

 

[Puffy]

In fairness though, God's kill count in the Bible is magnitudes higher than Satan's.

How do you figure? God is not responsible for evil. That is only due to Satan or fallen humanity. If what I said is true, then Satan is responsible for all injustice. Even if God commanded that people be killed, it's a far smaller number than what Hitler or Stalin did, which was run through proxy by Satan. God sure did not command Hitler to kill 6 million Jews.

There's no reference to Hitler or Stalin in the Bible as it's before their time. My understanding is that Satan is attributed with killing 10 people in the Bible. Even if we just take the Book of Joshua where God orders a genocide on Canaan, that alone would be magnitudes more than 10 people.

 

[Old Things]

In fairness though, God's kill count in the Bible is magnitudes higher than Satan's.

How do you figure? God is not responsible for evil. That is only due to Satan or fallen humanity. If what I said is true, then Satan is responsible for all injustice. Even if God commanded that people be killed, it's a far smaller number than what Hitler or Stalin did, which was run through proxy by Satan. God sure did not command Hitler to kill 6 million Jews.

There's no reference to Hitler or Stalin in the Bible as it's before their time. My understanding is that Satan is attributed with killing 10 people in the Bible. Even if we just take the Book of Joshua where God orders a genocide on Canaan, that alone would be magnitudes more than 10 people.

Satan might only be linked with directly killing 10 people in the Bible, but God is probably only directly responsible for killing probably fewer people than that. Outside of that, God works through human means, just like Satan.

 

[dr froyd]

I want you to watch this short. It talks about this. Yes, we are responsible for what we do. But true freedom is not the freedom to do whatever you want. That's just anarchy, and it might makes right.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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he's absolutely right, that's how we create laws in our societies. We want constraints we call can be happy with.

but he skips one important question: who decides the constraints. Because that should be - and is, usually - us, based on what we think will make for a society where humans can flourish and we live our lives to the fullest extent within constraints we arrive at with rationality and reason

i just happened to be reading Matthew 4 right now, where Jesus is being tempted by Satan in various ways. It makes for an interesting parallel; Satan tells him: if you're hungry, just turn these stones into bread. It's a perfectly rational proposition and there's nothing wrong with eating bread (especially when starving out in the woods). But Jesus simply says no because that would supposedly offend the authority of God. So it's a reason deduced without reason, it's just submission and suffering for the sake of submission. Like some sort of masochistic rejection of one's own freedom, potential as an individual, and basic human needs

 

[Old Things]

but he skips one important question: who decides the constraints. Because that should be - and is, usually - us, based on what we think will make for a society where humans can flourish and we live our lives to the fullest extent within constraints we arrive at with rationality and reason

The US Constitution says something different. Care to guess what it says about our "rights" regarding who these come from?

i just happened to be reading Matthew 4 right now, where Jesus is being tempted by Satan in various ways. It makes for an interesting parallel; Satan tells him: if you're hungry, just turn these stones into bread. It's a perfectly rational proposition and there's nothing wrong with eating bread (especially when starving out in the woods). But Jesus simply says no because that would supposedly offend the authority of God. So it's a reason deduced without reason, it's just submission and suffering for the sake of submission. Like some sort of masochistic rejection of one's own freedom, potential as an individual, and basic human needs

Jesus was fasting. Satan was tempting Jesus to break his fast before it was time for him to do so. It would be the same sort of thing as Satan tempting a married man to sleep with another woman.

 

[dr froyd]

@Old Things but it wouldn't be the same thing though - sleeping with another woman would hurt the wife. That's why we know it's bad. Eating bread, on the other hand, doesn't hurt anyone

i mean if we take a very allegorical interpretation of the bread thing, i guess i can see the point; inhibition of instincts for the sake of a longer-term payoff. That's good, but it would be a very generous interpretation, and Satan would be something entirely different - he would just represent dumb impulsivity (as opposed to evil).

I can see how bronze-age dudes really needed the point being driven home though

 

[Old Things]

@Old Things but it wouldn't be the same thing though - sleeping with another woman would hurt the wife. That's why we know it's bad. Eating bread, on the other hand, doesn't hurt anyone

i mean if we take a very allegorical interpretation of the bread thing, i guess i can see the point; inhibition of instincts for the sake of a longer-term payoff. That's good, but it would be a very generous interpretation, and Satan would be something entirely different - he would just represent dumb impulsivity (as opposed to evil).

I can see how bronze-age dudes really needed the point being driven home though

What part of Jesus' fasting do you not understand?

 

[dr froyd]

What part of Jesus' fasting do you not understand?

most of it

if it was some sort of survival challenge, like the "Naked and Afraid" TV show, then i gotta say that makes it a bit easy because you know you just say no to everything. Dude i can fast for 40 days if the prize is being the king of the world

 

[Old Things]

What part of Jesus' fasting do you not understand?

most of it

if it was some sort of survival challenge, like the "Naked and Afraid" TV show, then i gotta say that makes it a bit easy because you know you just say no to everything. Dude i can fast for 40 days if the prize is being the king of the world

Christians fast as a spiritual discipline. The idea is that you dedicate yourself to God during that time through praying and studying the Word instead of eating. It is a sacrifice. The goal is not to be "king of the world." The goal is to get closer to God. Sometimes you will have spiritual breakthroughs after a fast, but the goal is to dedicate yourself to God especially during that time.

I am reminded of when Jesus fasted from wine during passover. He said,

Matthew 26:26-30
"As they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take and eat it; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, and after giving thanks, he gave it to them and said, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. But I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.” After singing a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives."

 

[Puffy]

I decided to have a nap beneath a yew tree this morning and have a lazy bank holiday. I woke up and there was a squirrel on a branch above staring me in the eyes. Moments later it squatted to open its rectum and two pellets of squirrel poo landed by my side.

"Hah, you missed!" I exclaimed.

It jumped onto the branch directly above me and unleashed a shower of piss that splashed across my chest. A drop of it ran down my lip. I immediately sat up and laughed at how stupid and petty this was.

It definitely did it deliberately as it was staring me in the eyes while it pissed on me. And it seemed satisfied and scurried off immediately after hitting its target. The Pope died around the same time give or take a few minutes.

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[Bluehalite]

oh no, that squirrel wanted you to move maybe? Probably got stuck in the tree.
I just read on the Borowitz report that Trump wants the Vatican to chose the new pope from someone on Fox and Friends. Maybe the squirrel knows this. (I'm kidding, but I don't think Trump was kidding).

https://www.borowitzreport.com/p/trump-urges-vatican-to-select-new

In the Garden of Good and Evil.
The more you repress what you don't know -the stronger it becomes. What if both worlds served you and you stayed neutral, in the middle?

Its better to face it and see why it terrifies you so much. Maybe it just wants to be acknowledged, and loved too.
Maybe it was wrong to have a dual reality and you need to unite good and evil on a continuum. You can control it by always moving to something more comfortable on that continuum. Maybe its really one world after all, and you just need to move to a better place. After all, if God and Satan are one and the same, that whole idea exists in you as well. Fear of something makes you give your power away. Embrace it, just like a dream.
Life is but a dream...

I think what its really trying to teach us is there is your MIND and there is your HEART and even your GUT.
Do your best to let the heart lead the head and gut to tell your head things as well. The mind is the least advanced of the three, make it allow the wisdom of heart and gut to lead. Hence, male/female, one helps the other when they work together.

 

[ZenRaiden]

It definitely did it deliberately as it was staring me in the eyes while it pissed on me. And it seemed satisfied and scurried off immediately after hitting its target

Lmao ..... angry squirrel.

 

[Drvladivostok]

I suspect that I'm intelligent enough to recognize the efforts required to reach a long term goal, and concretely visualize a said goal.

But I lack the willpower or conscientiousness to actually put in the effort, I just can't force my heart to resist the immediate pleasure.

I'm still not smart enough to optimize and coordinate my efforts whereby it would suit my midwit level grit.

So I subject myself to mental and physical discomfort and risk of pain to push myself to put in the extra work. But to some extent even the willpower to do so subside.

I don't know where I am, but I know where I should be.

 

[Old Things]

Went to the emergency room because I feel sick.

Don't have covid, the flu, or strep. Doc thinks it is some sort of virus. Let's hope I am still a human in the morning...

 

[Bluehalite]

Items that would be good to stock up on that last a long time:
Powdered Eggs (lasts forever)
Powdered Milk (Milkman is best), Powdered Cheese for soups or popcorn, Powdered Butter, Powdered Buttermilk
Freeze Dried Vegetables for soups
Freeze Dried Bone Broth Packets (they sell ten packs that you add hot water to for quick energy)
Quinoa (lasts on the shelf forever)
Barley, Bobs Red Mill Popcorn, Rapid Rise Yeast Packets
Miso Soup Packets
20 lb bag Botan Rice (lasts for years)
Lentils, Black Beans, Pinto Beans, Navy Beans, Mixed Beans
Pasta: Ditalini, Macaroni, Spaghetti, Penne, Rotini, Wide Egg Noodles, Fine Egg Noodles, Lasagna
Canned Tuna, Oysters, Anchovies, Salmon, Clams
Jars of dry roasted honey peanuts
Peanut butter, Jams and Jellies, Crackers, Cookies
Rao's Pasta Sauce
Hunts diced tomato cans, Tomato Sauce, Tomato Paste, Whole tomato
Canned soups, canned pinto beans, black beans, cannellini, garbanzo, black eyed peas, etc
Ramen or Udon Noodles
Flour, Sugar, Brown Sugar, Maple Syrup, Honey, Jello, Tapioca boxes, Cream of Wheat, Cream of Rice, Bobs Red Mill Oats
Ketchup, Mustard, Mayonaise, Relish, Pickles, Banana Pepper Slices, Pickled Jalapeno, Sweet Pickles
Iodized Salt, Malden Sea Salt flakes, Whole black peppercorns
Vanilla, Cornstarch, Baking Soda, Baking Powder,
Hydrogen Peroxide, Rubbing Alcohol, Qtips, Bar Soap, Shampoo, Toothpaste, Bon Ami Cleanser, Tide Free and Clear, Dish Soap
Paper Towels, Toilet Paper, bandaids, aspirin, neosporin, prescription meds,
And just spend some time figuring out what you'd miss and stock up on it.
(Frozen chuck roasts, london broil, hot dogs, lamb chops, hamburger, chicken thighs, pork cubes, steak, shrimp, cod, bread, peas, etc).
And seeds for any greens that you like, brocolli sprout seeds, etc.
Root vegetables, potato, carrot, onion, sweet potato, turnips
Bok Choy, Cabbage, Kim Chi, Saurkraut, Frozen spinach, etc.
Freeze dried fruits, dried apricots, raisins, prunes, currants, cranberries, blueberries, cherries, mango, pineapple, banana
Canned fruits like peaches, pears, apricots, pie fillings
Beef Jerkey, Power bars, Favorite Cookies (mine are gingersnaps, strawberry thumbprints, oatmeal raisin).
Eggs, Milk, Ricotta, Cream Cheese, Mozarella, Boursin with herbs, Monterey Jack, Cheddar, Sour cream, Peach Kefir, Vanilla Yogurt

 

[Bluehalite]

 

[Bluehalite]

Solved.