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What's the deal with online dating? I don't understand it, not saying I'm opposed to it.

I can't be more specific other than this is a better place for the question than Human Relationships.
 

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It's so that you break the first layer of ice before even meeting because the intentions of both parties are out in the open, so that you don't have to go get drunk at a bar, so that you can look for people you might get along with rather than hope you stumble into one... that kind of stuff.
 

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Efficiency. Allows you to sift through large numbers of people; meeting people you otherwise could not and to ideally avoid the crazies and inherently incompatible. It takes a decent bit of observation and interaction to discern all that is openly displayed/advertised on profiles.
 

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Speaking of which I have the patented "Is s/he a criminal?" Online dating service. Basically it works like this! You submit a profile for questioning and I delve into her or his personal life to determine the likelihood of being a criminal/psychopath. Completely free of charge!
 

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Sounds interesting.
Is this for under-cover investigator fetishists, or for those who like the eerie feeling of having a stalking admirer heavily breathing into the other end of a telephone once in a while?
 

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Sounds interesting.
Is this for under-cover investigator fetishists, or for those who like the eerie feeling of having a stalking admirer heavily breathing into the other end of a telephone once in a while?

While I do have both of those as other options (or you could get a package deal) the "is he a criminal" test is strictly for ensuring you don't date murders or any other kind of criminal.
 

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Oh, misunderstanding on my part.
I think i will have the premium adventurer option then!
 

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There are plenty of fine gentlemen that you can date from this forum. I can personally vouch for TheGopher because I met him through this forum and took him to the theater. He is quite a pleasant individual. ^_^

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Meeting people online grants you the ability to simply choose to mingle with people who don't violate your sensibilities.
 

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I thought you two were in a relationship :D
 

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Online dating: Ability to screen people upfront rather than wasting time getting prepped for a real date and having a hellish night out with someone you wish you had never met face to face. I can't imagine anything worse than spending four hours out with someone you knew you weren't interested in after five minutes of conversation... and then deciding how you're going to duck out of a goodnight kiss if it comes your way.

There are plenty of fine gentlemen that you can date from this forum. I can personally vouch for TheGopher because I met him through this forum and took him to the theater. He is quite a pleasant individual. ^_^

Ha. That's just what he WANTS you to think.
He is a sociopath of the highest order, as no one can actually be as nice as he pretends to be.

... wait. Is he actually nice? :confused:
 

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There are plenty of fine gentlemen that you can date from this forum. I can personally vouch for TheGopher because I met him through this forum and took him to the theater. He is quite a pleasant individual. ^_^

HA! :o Thanks I guess.

I thought you two were in a relationship :D

Shhh it's all smoke and mirrors. On a side note Cog is a fine young man who you two would probably get along great with once you have finished killing each other. Nothing boring here. :D

Ha. That's just what he WANTS you to think.
He is a sociopath of the highest order, as no one can actually be as nice as he pretends to be.

... wait. Is he actually nice? :confused:

The way to tell if someone is a sociopath is if you want to take them home to dinner after 20 minutes.... THREE YEARS PROXY, THREE YEARS AND ONLY ONE DINNER DATE. /s

So yeah totally not a sociopath!
 

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The way to tell if someone is a sociopath is if you want to take them home to dinner after 20 minutes.... THREE YEARS PROXY, THREE YEARS AND ONLY ONE DINNER DATE. /s

So yeah totally not a sociopath!

That's exactly what I'd expect a devious sociopath to say!!! :ahh:
 

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Online dating: Ability to screen people upfront rather than wasting time getting prepped for a real date and having a hellish night out with someone you wish you had never met face to face. I can't imagine anything worse than spending four hours out with someone you knew you weren't interested in after five minutes of conversation... and then deciding how you're going to duck out of a goodnight kiss if it comes your way.
Cannot people just walk away after the initial five minutes?
I mean, I wouldn't be so sure after five minutes, so maybe I would spend more time to make sure, but after I know what I got into that would be my choice.
You save the time for both.

MMORPG's are the "best" online dating sites.
 

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Cannot people just walk away after the initial five minutes?

You could, but typically that doesn't happen. Usually people stick it out to confirm that they aren't interested, and often they'll have reservations somewhere (if they made it a dinner date) or they're going to a concert of movie or something.

I could see two NT types doing it, like Cherry says, but... usually it's considered tacky as hell to just kill the date in a few minutes. So anyone with a sense of social propriety will probably figure they need to stick it out or don't want to insult the other person by bailing; they just won't have a second date.

I solve the problem by just not going on dates unless I'm already involved with someone.
Which is why I'm not involved with anyone. ROFL.

MMORPG's are the "best" online dating sites.

The last guy I dated online was a real troll, so I had to dump 'im.

The tauren was pretty hawt, but those pointy horns on the babies are a real bitch for a blood elf to squeeze out. No way!

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Okay, this guy hit me up on an online dating site for geeks last week. He lives in the same city as my kids, so that was bizarre (i actually know the area he lives in), and he has many many interests overlapping with mine and works in the computer industry. His appearance is okay, I don't have much reaction to it. His mind and heart seem in the right place, and like I said, many many interests in common.

But for some reason, I'm terrified to respond to him.
I don't get that.

It's like this big unknown factor, and I just don't want to deal with the complication of talking to someone who might then like me but I won't be interested in him, or vice versa, and ... I find myself just not engaging. It's like fear of extricating myself if it isn't what I want is preventing me from even making the effort.

Would it be the same for any guy who pings me online, or is it just him in particular, or what?
 

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I think the fact that he seems like a potential match and the fact that he lives in a place which you've got a bunch of memories and emotions connected to adds to it.
 

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I find it kind of unromantic. People turn dating into like a job interview. I can't subject someone to that and I find it a little off-putting, though I get the point. Then again, I prefer getting to know people doing fun activities and showing interest by being playful. I've never dated formally, so maybe this isn't for me. :confused:
 

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I've had a good deal of experience with it. I think it's a matter of perspective. If you can have a mind set of adventure rather than a chore, then that's half the battle. To make it successful, you have to keep the conversation going and not let it drag out before a first meeting. I find the first time to meet should be kept casual-coffee or a drink as opposed to dinner or some event. That way, if one or both aren't seeing a future, you can end it short and not get stuck with a long drawn out thing. Keeping expectations to a minimum is also helpful and allows for events to unfold rather than trying to make something happen.

In general, since you have some idea of what they look like, a sense of who they are through their profile and the emails/phone calls, it's more efficient in weeding out those people you know you won't get along with.

I've found online dating has no bearing on subtracting or adding romance. It's simply a vehicle for meeting people and a screening process that you go through naturally when meeting others off-line. In fact, I've met two people online who I really connected with well along with all the symptoms of excitement, butterflies in your stomach, and endorphins cursing through me;) In fact, with one, I felt these things even before we met in person and only had phone/skype/email interactions. Flirty, witty, intelligent conversation, intimate discussions can all be conveyed through these mediums.
 

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Jennywocky said:
Ha. That's just what he WANTS you to think.
He is a sociopath of the highest order, as no one can actually be as nice as he pretends to be.

... wait. Is he actually nice? :confused:

Ohh! Interesting. I will add this to your section in my spreadsheet.
 

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What's the deal with online dating? I don't understand it, not saying I'm opposed to it.

I can't be more specific other than this is a better place for the question than Human Relationships.

I've never done it, but Id imagine its pretty good for introverts, single older people who are 50+ that dont get out much but still have a desire to be in a relationship and it weeds out a lot of people based on your personality.

Some of the downsides are the people can be as fake as they want to be online, oh and lets not forget about "angle shots". What happens when you go to meet someone and they are 300 lbs bigger than what you expected them to be?
 

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Wait, whuuuttt??? I have a section in your spreadsheet???? :eek: :storks:

Yeah, in that last thread about the spreadsheet couple I told you about it.

Now, just because I am a sociopath doesn't mean I am not nice. ;)
 

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Yeah, in that last thread about the spreadsheet couple I told you about it.

Now, just because I am a sociopath doesn't mean I am not nice. ;)

Oh, I found it.

Please don't set me on fire like Gopher! I'll be good! :phear:
 

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You gain scale.

In a good gathering, you'll see maybe 10 potential partners, but chances are 3 will have a boyfriend, 3 will have cockblock friends, 3 won't like you, and by then you'll be too frustrated to approach to the last one, who could turn out to be the love of your life.

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I'm kinda curious about what you don't understand about online dating.

I mean, some ideas or thoughts of why must have occurred to you. What were/ are your hypothesis so far?
 

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Minuend, yes, some thoughts have occurred to me about online dating.

How would one know if the person they are dating is not lying through their teeth about essentially everything? There would maybe be some inconsistency that would be a tip off, but if the liar were good, there could be no sign.

The picture that I would present of myself online most certainly doesn't match reality. Not because I'm misrepresenting anything intentionally, but because it's impossible for me to convey all aspects of myself and those which are presented are selected. I could be a completely different person than my online significant other might think.

Sex. That seems rather difficult when one's partner is who knows how far away.

It isn't possible to go swimming or to go out to dinner. There would be no walks outside in the middle of the night when it's too humid to stay indoors, for example. A physical presence is probably important for developing a meaningful relationship.

I don't understand how a person can commit themselves to another without being able to see what they are like in person, get an intuitive feel for them, and spend time with a physical them. With Skype, I could probably come to perceive someone I met online was my significant other and treat a relationship as a typical long distance thing. But the risks... getting played would hurt.

Thus far the assumption has been that the person does not live near me. Meeting someone online who lived in the same general area is a different story... It would be awkward to meet him in person, but I'm always awkward for a long time... like 6 months :-( I get shy on Skype with some of my friends....

An advantage of online dating would be a potential lack of shyness. It's much easier to be open when there is no person sitting there staring at me.

Impatience. I can be easily fed up with people and would certainly not enjoy sifting through potential 'matches'. Something about that is utterly unappealing. It would probably drive me crazy!! It would be weird to be one of... 10 girls being fielded simultaneously.

With the right person, sure, why not? Maybe something that begins online could end up being fruitful.
 

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How would one know if the person they are dating is not lying through their teeth about essentially everything? There would maybe be some inconsistency that would be a tip off, but if the liar were good, there could be no sign.

I guess it depends on the person doing the reading and, as you said, how good the liar is. My perception of myself is that I'm really good at triangulating data and not just noticing inconsistencies but also gaps in presentation (I myself when younger used to be a decent "liar by omission" just to keep people out of my business); and so far in life I think I've done a decent job in my perceptions in situations where I've been able to confirm.

I was also burned a few times as a child and was dealing with an addict father, and I was also in a difficult marriage for a number of years, so I was very well-acquainted with the types of lies that people tell themselves and others. I've even had a few roommates who ended up being really whack (one was clinically borderline), so it teaches you a lot about how people can appear normal at a distance and then end up being more disturbed. It's all a learning experience.

But people used to taking others for granted, not having experience with liars, or not having a great big-picture sense of the truth map with another individual could find themselves in trouble.

The picture that I would present of myself online most certainly doesn't match reality. Not because I'm misrepresenting anything intentionally, but because it's impossible for me to convey all aspects of myself and those which are presented are selected. I could be a completely different person than my online significant other might think.

I think how people say things (and what they do / do not say) actually can give away a lot of information. The actual details offered themselves are just one source of information.

But typically you're looking for an honesty level and what people share vs not share, what gaps they leave in the information, what they gloss over, what they focus on, etc.

I mean, realistically, one also does have to assume that no one is fully exposing themselves to a virtual stranger. It would be inappropriate to trust someone who you haven't yet gotten a feeling for how much they'll respect you. I always go into this stuff assuming there are things I am not being told, and it's more a matter of whether that is reasonable discretion, stuff that has been overlooked, or a purposeful attempt to deceive either out of insecurity or for malevolent purposes.

It isn't possible to go swimming or to go out to dinner. There would be no walks outside in the middle of the night when it's too humid to stay indoors, for example. A physical presence is probably important for developing a meaningful relationship.

I don't understand how a person can commit themselves to another without being able to see what they are like in person, get an intuitive feel for them, and spend time with a physical them. With Skype, I could probably come to perceive someone I met online was my significant other and treat a relationship as a typical long distance thing. But the risks... getting played would hurt.

I tend to fall in love with the person first and the physicality comes later. I have some friends who I've never met in the body who I feel very attached to and suspect that if we were close in physical proximity, we'd spend a lot of time together / be very close.

I think for a romantic relationship where touch is eventually expected, as well as living together, etc., the physical element is more important. The relationship itself is one thing; but there are also many practical issues regarding personal habits, levels of cleanliness, loudness/socializing, etc. Life is not lived in the head. I have had a least one friendship that fell apart when we roomed together for a year or two because the physical aspects of being in proximity caused conflict / led to issues.

Impatience. I can be easily fed up with people and would certainly not enjoy sifting through potential 'matches'. Something about that is utterly unappealing. It would probably drive me crazy!! It would be weird to be one of... 10 girls being fielded simultaneously.

As one example of that, I've looked at "speed dating," and I just hate the entire idea from the get-go.

For me, I still tend to do best when I'm doing stuff I enjoy with other people and I end up being attracted to someone I'm participating in the activity with.
 

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How would one know if the person they are dating is not lying through their teeth about essentially everything? There would maybe be some inconsistency that would be a tip off, but if the liar were good, there could be no sign.

How is this any different than liars you might meet irl? :confused:

If anything it is less risky because you're not in stabbing range.
 

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How is this any different than liars you might meet irl? :confused:

If anything it is less risky because you're not in stabbing range.


My assumption was that it is easier to determine if someone is lying when interacting with them in person. It's easier to lie when there is a time lag between responses in a conversation and one has the internet at their fingertips.

RE stabbing range: that is true. However, neither case rules out that the other person is a stabber.
 

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How is this any different than liars you might meet irl? :confused:

If anything it is less risky because you're not in stabbing range.

Because you would be able to confirm or dismiss information presented to you by inquiring social circuits that the target is operating within.
Also, there is a greater chance of discerning truth from lie by examining body language, tone and wording, spontaniously face-to-face.
 

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How is this any different than liars you might meet irl? :confused:

If anything it is less risky because you're not in stabbing range.

So, do you like daggers?
 

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get tinder on your phone silly.
judge people on a whim and find people that live geographically within a couple miles of you.

Smart app, will sell for billions.
 

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digital communication has progressed past that point Jenny.

plus if you live in a densely populated area, the sea is ever-stretching, giving you the ability to communicate with anyone you choose, as long as they choose you aswell. :ahh:
 

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its really surpassed this?

ok, so out of online dating type stuff, tinder is might be one of the better things.

did any of you see the episode of Bones in which something similar to tinder was being used?
 

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Because you would be able to confirm or dismiss information presented to you by inquiring social circuits that the target is operating within.

That's really fucked up and opens you up for easy manipulation from other parties. If you feel the need to do this why would you even bother with the target?


Also, there is a greater chance of discerning truth from lie by examining body language, tone and wording, spontaneously face-to-face.

Y'know experienced cops pride themselves on reading body language and they're statistically shown to be worse at lie detection than an amateur. Truly, pride and certainty in reading individuals like this only means that you're bad at it. 'Lie detection' on an unknown individual from body language is a mere coin toss fueled by confirmation bias. Watch better tv.


So, do you like daggers?


I love all sharp, stabbing implements.
In fact I killed a man with a spork once. :twisteddevil:
 

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I love all sharp, stabbing implements.
In fact I killed a man with a spork once. :twisteddevil:

I bought an axe recently.

We should hold axe vs. spork contests to see who can kill the most people.

(That's pretty impressive by the way)
 

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How big is the axe?

About 3feet long.

Thank you. So few appreciate my work.

As a former spork murderer, I have experienced first-hand people's ignorance of the finer intricacies of committing murder by spork.
 

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How big is the axe?

i'd bet on the spork if time (as in shorter than your natural lifespan) and location are not parameters.

stealth plus innocuity
 

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That's a good point. You can get really close to someone while wielding a spork. For some reason people never want to accompany me into dark alleyways when I'm holding an axe.

:(
 

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Y'know experienced cops pride themselves on reading body language and they're statistically shown to be worse at lie detection than an amateur. Truly, pride and certainty in reading individuals like this only means that you're bad at it. 'Lie detection' on an unknown individual from body language is a mere coin toss fueled by confirmation bias. Watch better tv.

This is so incredibly true. I mean you can set up a baseline, notice changes but if you assume what those changes mean without properly analyzing it and being open to ideas other than "SOMETHINGS DIFFERENT HE'S LYING" you are going to suck. It takes a certain level of uncertainty to be certain in your uncertainty. That said if you do see a change in baseline(more than one tell mind you) you can then ask more about that topic and see what comes up and why it happened but assuming and bias is bad.
 

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That's a good point. You can get really close to someone while wielding a spork. For some reason people never want to accompany me into dark alleyways when I'm holding an axe.

:(

well, the type of contest could be adjusted in your favor: enter a busy establishment, say a bar, and kill as many people as possible before you get overtaken. if you kill everyone then you would be the Super Winner.
 

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This is so incredibly true. I mean you can set up a baseline, notice changes but if you assume what those changes mean without properly analyzing it and being open to ideas other than "SOMETHINGS DIFFERENT HE'S LYING" you are going to suck. It takes a certain level of uncertainty to be certain in your uncertainty. That said if you do see a change in baseline(more than one tell mind you) you can then ask more about that topic and see what comes up and why it happened but assuming and bias is bad.


a possible advantage of online dating for those who have tendencies towards assuming the worst or paranoid obsession. kind of. maybe it wouldn't help for those who need no impetus to make negative assumptions.

why would someone want to make up a fake identity and enter into an online relationship with someone? there must be some inner sense of 'im completely full of shit and this person doesn't like me for who i am'. if someone would lie because they are insecure, then wouldn't a false identity facilitate their sense of shame/worthlessness? so, trust needs to be built over time and nobody could be expected to reveal everything about themselves all at once to an internet stranger, but the facelessness of and ease of disappearing from an online relationship should be great facilitators of people not creating a fake 'themself'.
 

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a possible advantage of online dating for those who have tendencies towards assuming the worst or paranoid obsession. kind of. maybe it wouldn't help for those who need no impetus to make negative assumptions.

why would someone want to make up a fake identity and enter into an online relationship with someone? there must be some inner sense of 'im completely full of shit and this person doesn't like me for who i am'. if someone would lie because they are insecure, then wouldn't a false identity facilitate their sense of shame/worthlessness? so, trust needs to be built over time and nobody could be expected to reveal everything about themselves all at once to an internet stranger, but the facelessness of and ease of disappearing from an online relationship should be great facilitators of people not creating a fake 'themself'.
I think it's counter-intuitive, everything here you said makes total sense, but in many cases people take advantage of that anonymity and pull off all sorts of crazy identity/social stuff that could be considered sociopathic or psychotic.

In a perfect world I wish online anonymity would facilitate the dropping of boundaries and a need to deceive/harm others, and it does, but there's still a long way to go.
 

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Identity theft. I'd be more inclined to pretend I was a porn star or something sexually attractive. Maybe a 32FFF (does this even exist???) bra size. The trouble would come which Skyping or whatever. Such titts could be faked with.... Soccer balls (men's size?) under a t-shirt, or maybe
Cantaloupes, balloons (hmmmmmm helium filled for extra perk?) or .... Wearing a blanket. Inany case, nothing would end up well if a true view were requested.
 

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That's just it though, sometimes photos are required upfront to verify identity, but not all the time because privacy and building trust first is usually expected. In that period of building trust a person could freely misrepresent themselves in text chats and make plausible excuses not to do video/photo chats.
 
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