lol Visual(Imagery) Cognitive Functions

[TimeAsylums]

I've been meaning to draw a picture and give an explanation for my thoughts on the function, but I lack any artistic skill whatsoever when it comes to that...I still intend to, but I just wanted to share this:

http://psyphics.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/cognitive-functions.png

[bimgx=600]http://psyphics.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/cognitive-functions.png[/bimgx]
I don't think it's by any means perfect at all, but some seem spot on.

I would have made the Se's more "vivid" than everyone else, as if the experience was more "there."

But something like this, the lens of experience of the functions.

I'll get around to mine eventually, I have a good grasp on "most" of them...I just can't draw :/




Regarding the Si-Ne vs Se-Ni, I imagine the Se's users senses are incredibly...vivid, and they are the most "IN THE MOMENT." Regarding Si, at least personally, it is almost a withdrawn feeling from the world, feeling from within ("subjective" if you will), the senses aren't nearly as vivid, it judges the information so passively and so slowly that it remembers it as the past once it finally goes through the senses.

If you think of it as a stick person picture, the Se user will have all the color on the outside (vivid color), while the Si user will have the dull color on the outside, and more vivid on the inside. But then what of Ni/Ne? Curious indeed, still the same interaction of Se/Si, but...different. heh.

Just thoughts

 

[TimeAsylums]

So i took like 5 seconds on these pictures

Se:



Se:

The Se is "here" physically and mentally. They "are" "in the world" their experience is "HERE" and "NOW" the senses and vividness ARE them. They are...HERE. The stick person is RED because his experience IS.


Si:



Si: Si...is reserved...almost like a creature withdrawn from the world into itself. Naval gazing (non-negative connotation, just literally speaking), if you will. This stick person is grey because his experience with the outer world isn't the same as the Se, it's not HERE, it's not NOW, his senses/vividness is much more "dull" than that of the Se, whatever he feels is from within, whatever the fuck that is. The outside of the stick person (the external world) is colored grey for the dullness compared to the Se.


Being an ENTP, I deem my experience that of the Si, and very rarely (almost never) that vivid of the Se. I would call the Si "behind the looking glass" syndrome or "locked in syndrome"(medical syndrome).

If you picture a pair of eyes, The Se is either THE EYES or in front of the eyes, out in the world, however the Si is "behind" the eyes, withdrawn into the head/mind, looking outward.

Given that all types have either Se/Si (at least in the functional stack,) and the Se's propensity for athleticness AND/OR affinity for pleasing the senses (food, sex, etc) it seems to match up.


The Se has that "vivid" life experience, while the Si is..."looking through the glass" or "locked in syndrome"


(Locked in syndrome makes sense if you've seen the episode of House "locked in") ...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngHUqxzf7NE






Look at Personality Junkie on the functions of Si/Se

as previously mentioned they fit with

Se: Exteroceptive/Proprioceptive Senses
Si: internal sense/interoception

It follows that Se would be here and the now, accepting only what they can "sense" ("see" etc), while the Si feels from within, and given that Drenth says (and I agree) The NTPs like much Si, they often forget to take care of their body, just like the Se's do, they might overeat to please their senses, but they lack the Si of how it makes their body feel. If Si is focused on internal senses, it is not immediate that things would take affect, but at a later time (say, hours after digesting your food) thus...focused on the past. And the Se focused on the external senses, also focused on the NOW.






http://personalityjunkie.com/01/inferior-function-action-real-life-examples/2/

These mostly forward-looking (Ne) types can travel through life darting glances in the rearview mirror (Si)—sometimes nostalgic, sometimes regretful. When NPs look back, they often do so with a tinge of sorrow, not with the untempered joy that ISJs experience from old memories. Si also contributes to an inner bodily awareness. And being relatively unconscious in ENPs, they may be relatively oblivious to their own health or bodily needs.

IT IS ALSO TO BE CONSIDERED about WHERE the Se/Si falls in the functional stack? does that have any affect at all? Who knows. What about for the N>S in the function stack? does it change? I don't know. Given that S is our "concrete-ish" experience with the world, maybe, maybe not.

 

[wilsonwatsonc]

Interesting visual perspective. However, I don't think the Si just sees a less vivid view of the world. We just process it while also processing many other things inside our head. Therefore, our view of the world is the same, but we're just...not paying attention to it. I don't know if there's as much of a way to visualize that. But I suppose that is what you were trying to say.

Also, now I'm watching House.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I like the idea of expressing the functions through imagery since a lot of can be nonverbal and it's more explicit than music.

What I take from the first picture:
Se - Sees exactly what's there but also experiences environment to the fullest extent (notices what's there to interact with?)
Si - Contemplates its surroundings and notices subtleties and distinguishing features
Te - Sees the feasibility for constructive projects / notices organization
Ti - Notices the relationships between objects and their physical properties
Ne - Imagination within the environment (based on mood?)
Ni - Sees the abstract developments of objects (how it became/where it's going?)
Fe - Sees the potential for social activity / notices spheres of social groups
Fi - Sees a place for resting and relaxation

IT IS ALSO TO BE CONSIDERED about WHERE the Se/Si falls in the functional stack? does that have any affect at all? Who knows. What about for the N>S in the function stack? does it change? I don't know. Given that S is our "concrete-ish" experience with the world, maybe, maybe not.

I very much think so, not just for this topic of discussion but for the type configurations in general.

I've done this exercise myself before but I left it at the perception functions only, never got around to doing the Thinking and Feeling ones.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Ah, this is excellent. I don't browse reddit much, but I was looking at r/entp, and a LOT of people feel the same physiological experience that I do (they describe it the same) [see post #2 of this thread above)

Reddit: Does anybody feel like they're living inside their head

[OP]Let me explain. For me reality feels only truly real, when I am engaged in some intellectual challenge, may it be an interessting discussion, a movie or even demanding physical activities (like sports or games). When things slow down and less stuff happens the bubble of reality pops and I take a step back. I look at someting, eat something or even just talk unimportant stuff, and I think "Hm, so this is real I guess." and it feels really distant somehow.
My theory is that is has something to do with an ENTPs strong Ne and Ti, as well as a lack of Sensing functions.

[2]Come to think of it, have you ever been in a accident (car/bike/etc.?)
I get the impression that we are prone to disassociate. When I had a moderate bicycle crash and my face was cut open in a few places (not terribly) I kept finding myself thinking that "Wow, my face is really hurting me." Instead of "my face is hurting," or "I hurt."
Come to think of it, I sometimes used to refer to my brain and body as "we" when I was little kid.


[3]All the time!!!
I often feel like I'm "trapped" behind my eyes, in a shell of sorts, and perceive other people as being the same way--as beings trapped inside of bodies, incapable of really sensing or touching anything "out there", because everything you are is trapped in your own neural networks. Almost like we're all prisoners in our own bodies, but usually less macabre.
I often perceive myself as : my body = the shell that holds "me", while my true "self" = not something that people will ever be able to comprehend or see.
Which is not to say that I think I have a "soul", or that I think my cognitive processes are NOT irrevocably tied to my physical body... I'm not religious, and am 100% aware that my body and my "consciousness" are really one and the same.
That doesn't keep me from feeling that sort of closed-off, "trapped" feeling, though.

[4]Yeah I get that "dulled reality" thing a lot too. I'd like to know what other types have that going for them as well..

From what I can *currently* assume, this is most indicative of Ne>Si (or rather, lack of Se in the functional stack, though I haven't much data on Ni>Se <- except for their wild out-of-body-everything-is-fucking-weird-experiences[also on PJ]

fuuuuuu still can't edit...not that I would mind if someone just edited this in there

I also meant to add how Drenth(PJ) mentions how Extraverted Perception (Ne/Se) is *FUSED* with the outer world, thus adding the the depth of the meaning of the "lack of Se in the function stack" See post #2 where I mentioned it feeling like "Locked In" syndrome on House.

Though Drenth says the Ni>Se experience is even WEIRDER because they lack Si (in the functional stack).

 

[Pyropyro]

Looks like a good candidate for a wallpaper although I'll probably tone the greens a bit. Does this poster come in widescreen?