Is INTP the ideal personality?

[Brontosaurie]

yes and snoop void

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I've become like this because I've been searching for the best possible way a rational being among others should function in this world, with taking certain accounts in that I’ve identified as directions of wisdom.

Where are the borders of these personality types' domain when it comes to nearing the divine man?

I judge many, if not all, of the other personality types because they include attributes that are enemies of rational and moral decision-making. Before forcing to manifest my young thoughts about this, I’m very curious of the general perspective of this concept.

What are these directions of wisdom?

The more advanced the system, the more complexity it contains and the more perspectives lie within.

There are no borders when it comes to the divine man, for he has crossed and mastered them all. The ideal type is one who has transcended type.

Rational and moral decision-making are also enemies/traps. Not every member of an ant colony is a queen.

I think ENTJs and ESTPs would be ideal personalities.

THE TYPE THAT GETS SHIT DONE.

 

[OmoInisa]

yes and snoop void

I eagerly await the entrance of Voided.

 

[marv]

What are these directions of wisdom?

/for me/
Well, not so sure if these could be called directions but whatever:
- Getting familiar how rationalistic thinking and healthy communication works.
- Building philosophy from the ground up for yourself, from "I think therefore I am", and the shadow of formal logic. (this was a looong process ofc)
- Getting to know right and wrong, with the help of realism and certain moral notions like "Live and let live".
- Realizing how in nearly all situations, there seems to be a right choice. If there isn't, then examining the process how the situation escalated gives the answer why.
- Understanding not everything can be understood through logic. Though even in this case, you can apply logic carefully, like sort of building a see through wall around this "void", like it was a well or pit. In cases like: death, birth, agony or the connections of products of consciousness with the physical world.
- Building own ideal moral system.***
- Thinking in alternatives, maintaining some hope in the most favorable.
- Trying to make everything more efficient and better, in theory, even people (in a friendly way , edit: although with this growing number of uneducated and unscientific people in humanity, friendly way is dissipating, e.i. passive - and aggressive- Muslim conquer throughout the world).

These are what come to my mind

There are no borders when it comes to the divine man, for he has crossed and mastered them all. The ideal type is one who has transcended type.

Oh finally, I was expecting a new "type" or form which is not like "Mechanic" or "Executive" lol.

Rational and moral decision-making are also enemies/traps. Not every member of an ant colony is a queen.

I don't think so, if we provide the ideal environment, also progress needs time. *

***I guess maybe I can't use the word "ideal" yet, so many people consider it a myth, not me though. Still, even ideally you die so that's how ideal the ideal environment gets. It doesn't make everything right, just nearly.

 

[doncarlzone]

/for me/
Well, not so sure if these could be called directions but whatever:
- Getting familiar how rationalistic thinking and healthy communication works.
- Building philosophy from the ground up for yourself, from "I think therefore I am", and the shadow of formal logic. (this was a looong process ofc)
- Getting to know right and wrong, with the help of realism and certain moral notions like "Live and let live".
- Realizing how in nearly all situations, there seems to be a right choice.

I encourage your search for political idealism but you're not the first to think it's possible to get it "objectively right". The Zeitgeist Movement also claim they use science and reason as a foundation for their neo-communism. Or take Spinoza, a pioneer in modern rationalism, despite all of his remarkable insights, he thought that even suggestions about not slaughtering animals was founded on "vain superstition and womanish pity". He claimed, like rationalists like to do, that he used sound logic and reasoning to come to that conclusion.

This is not meant as an attack on Spinoza, I'm a big fan of his ethics, but to demonstrate that using rationalistic thinking as a "badge" is irrational by its definition. I mean let's face it, most people think they are thinking rationally, especially politicians.

That being said, I am sure we could agree on many things regarding idealism

 

[marv]

Spoiler

I encourage your search for political idealism but you're not the first to think it's possible to get it "objectively right". The Zeitgeist Movement also claim they use science and reason as a foundation for their neo-communism. Or take Spinoza, a pioneer in modern rationalism, despite all of his remarkable insights, he thought that even suggestions about not slaughtering animals was founded on "vain superstition and womanish pity". He claimed, like rationalists like to do, that he used sound logic and reasoning to come to that conclusion.

This is not meant as an attack on Spinoza, I'm a big fan of his ethics, but to demonstrate that using rationalistic thinking as a "badge" is irrational by its definition. I mean let's face it, most people think they are thinking rationally, especially politicians.

That being said, I am sure we could agree on many things regarding idealism

I think I mentioned other "stuff" in my toolkit other than rationalism.....

Although, as you said, I don't give much damn about slaughtering pigs for their meat, or any other kind of livestock. But let's not talk about this anymore.

edit: And describing Zeitgeist Movement's ideology as neo-communism is... sad, very sad.

 

[Pizzabeak]

This was going to be the like the 6th post but I decided not to post it and saved it to notepad, but now am posting it:

What if there were a society where everyone is an INTP? Wouldn’t then everyone convert to ENTP practically, be much more social and enjoy others’ attention?

No.


MBTI personality theory gets oft accused of the only or largest benefit being an excuse for intp & entp to keep behaving the way they do. People, probably FJs being most likely, tend to get mad and act like they wish they were intp or intj or something. Not sure why. For some reason, they love the idea of T and wish they had one in their result. More or less, I think that's dumb and they should focus on their strengths in the first place instead of basically trying to act all smart, and introvertedness and the like seem to be getting cooler nowadays, at least amongst certain individuals under certain circumstances. Then again, while growing up, I've always been envious of all the other kids because they could talk, were loud, and could do stuff, more or less.

In this society (USA), enfp is probably the ideal type. Maybe istj or infj.

*all just to say enfp is probably the ideal type, for whatever personally biased reason. oh yeah, and that every type is the best type. if they were all combined you'd have one incredibly well rounded ass human being.

 

[QuickTwist]

Rocks, rocks and daggers.

If INTP were all there were they would just think of a way to classify and separate themselves
from the rest of society.

On a serious note:

An interesting read. This was said many times but there is no ideal type nor should there be. To say otherwise is a lack of creativity and accuracy.

I am biased. I don't believe the MBTI in reality has very much to offer.

 

[marv]

Spoiler

This was going to be the like the 6th post but I decided not to post it and saved it to notepad, but now am posting it:


No.


MBTI personality theory gets oft accused of the only or largest benefit being an excuse for intp & entp to keep behaving the way they do. People, probably FJs being most likely, tend to get mad and act like they wish they were intp or intj or something. Not sure why. For some reason, they love the idea of T and wish they had one in their result. More or less, I think that's dumb and they should focus on their strengths in the first place instead of basically trying to act all smart, and introvertedness and the like seem to be getting cooler nowadays, at least amongst certain individuals under certain circumstances. Then again, while growing up, I've always been envious of all the other kids because they could talk, were loud, and could do stuff, more or less.

In this society (USA), enfp is probably the ideal type. Maybe istj or infj.

*all just to say enfp is probably the ideal type, for whatever personally biased reason. oh yeah, and that every type is the best type. if they were all combined you'd have one incredibly well rounded ass human being.

Hmm, ideal type in the society of USA? How did we arrive to that?

Also, you haven't actually reasoned against my point just said "No", whose query and context of meaning I have explained 3 times previously in the thread. I still don't get why 80% of the responses are directed only at that notion.

 

[juansk]

There's not one type, but the best combo is ENTJ+INTP. Then you wont need any other type hanging around.

 

[Pizzabeak]

Apparently I didn't read the thread. I have a vague idea why "80%" of the responses referenced that.. Proposal. Stemming from "what if there were a society comprised entirely of x?"

USA? That's where I live, (and) from what I've noticed. I'd imagine an ideal personality would vary from place to place.. Intp might not be ideal in, say, Samoa or maybe even Brazil. But even considering so I'd say ENFP is at least a top contender for the ideal set up anywhere, from what I understand of the stereotypes at least. And, a variety of them would most likely be required to make it work. Actually, the more I delve into it the more weird an all ENFP society could be. Would be interesting to watch, ha.

In an all ENFP society would everyone turn into infp for some semi arbitrary reason, because they all would get tired of each other somewhat quick and desire more privacy as if the already damn near arbitrary e/I had anything to do with so? Havatitplz. Ntp is a more applicable case because Fe and it's associations.

Istj would probably be the least worrisome, but I doubt much if any innovation or some measurable progress would be made, assuming they love status quo and are hesitant in the face of too much weirdness.

All things said and considered, almost for the sake of, I can see why intp could be considered some type of arbiter for humanity, although I could be confusing some stereotypes with j. Spoken interns of attempting to progress earthlings in terms of things that probably matter and we should be concerned about, such as, and I'm hesitant to almost say, space exploration and other quasi related fields.. How much time would be allotted? In an all intp society where stereotypically everyone would be "lazy" and not get anything done, would it be possible for someone to come to SOME epiphany sooner or later and at least try and take the situation serious? But, if you take a bunch of people who have typed as intp or have been measured to actually be intp by the arbiters of personality theory and put them in an isolated society I don't think some of them would just morph into entp and begin to display commonly associated traits of those, sort of accounting for 'type ratio', the amount of times you do something everyone would agree fits within your type to the amount of times something questionable is performed so that people who barely know ye (unless they're expert pod lair typists) would be able to accuse you of being some other type - and there ARE, apparently, some things or explanations one could 'rely' on, if that's the word heh, to get the ratio back in alignment. Idk. I find it fun/amusing sometimes. On mobile, hopefully that doesn't have anything to do with anything. If I was on laptop I probably would have come up with a different response.

 

[marv]

There's not one type, but the best combo is ENTJ+INTP. Then you wont need any other type hanging around.

You've just defined my future marriage .

 

[juansk]

You've just defined my future marriage .

cheers dude, good luck with that

 

[WALKYRIA]

You guys are being irrational and fallacious in your thinking-- thinking that a single MBTI type homogeneous society will be possible or even conceivable ...
-It's a pure abstraction since: We construct our personality depending on our environmental settings. With the ultimate goal being= gain of power or survival. It's pretty obvious that if everybody were the same, competition would be rude. This implies that a society made only of one type would be theoretically impossible, since people grow-- accordingly to life rules-- in divergent and differentiating way . Variability seem to be an implicitly inherent and necessary asset of a viable society(society fitness).
-Only way to create( artificially) an INTP society is to gather all the INTP people into a country or a city. Would be cool, but I'm doubting the viability or the sanity of the society; since we grew up knowing that we were surrounded by different people.


CONTROVERSIAL APPROACH/
So besides the theoretical bias, if there were an INTP society... nothing would be different than now since there are no two same INTP. We shouldn forget that no two I-N-T- P scores are the same. So basically, we would find many subtypes( perhaps 16 ?) in it. And the society would be the way it is.( replace INTP with human... Humans are pretty much( macroscopic) the same; genetically, physically and psychologically..Etc but that's the microscopic differences that ultimately matters the most and act as differentiating factors in the survival combat.(skin color, IQ, degrees, money, height, country..Etc).)

 

[Socra Maat]

I personally believe that a society as such, consisting of just INTP's, would produce hyper creative waves of culture.

If this society were to come together and actually exist, based on the current population ratio, its triumphs would create remarkable leaps in ideology. Technology renders us an advantage, and we would quickly overcome our lethargic nature by both the use of advanced automation systems and medical ideals. We appreciate functionality, and we are at heart most altruistic, despite the heavy coats of cynicism we may develop. This is a great gift, we cut through the bs, we would help eachother and society to our highest locomotion! I swear this. Nothing would invigorate my mania and productivity than being in a city of like-minded individuals, all who seek to improve the big picture.

Anywho, I have this theory, of a hyper Socratic society, in which there will be methods of creating dramatic epiphanic moments within single conversations. An expansion upon Socratic thought infused with (multiple) outlier expressions. I work on analytical outlier logic, atleast, that's what I call it for now. I've produced this wonky method that always leaves me with an idea I did not have previously, without fail. It really is quite peculiar, and so, I think such things would emerge in your hypothetical society, but far more refined, etc.
I can elaborate in pm if any one is interested.

 

[BigApplePi]

Is INTP the ideal personality?

As soon as I see that question, I ask, "For what?" Ideal for what? That is, define "ideal." INTP's excel at internal thinking and consistency. If others provided the values, the reality, the data, INTPs would do well with coming up with ideal theories. I can't think of anything else INTP's would excel in.

Getting personal, as an INTP, I'm fond of theory. A theory I have is to define one's terms, else what are we talking about? I've addressed that above. But notice one doesn't have to define terms. One can just push for an answer, any answer and let conflicting answers work themselves out or stay unworked out. That's not an INTP attitude. Of course that's another theory which I missed ... showing an INTP can make a mistake ... or at least not have the greatest vision.

 

[juansk]

yeah, im always thinking about how to improve processes and stuff. Id like to have lots of open minded people surrounding me, cause some ideas are kinda radical and conservative people would dismiss them before hand.
We'll need some ENTJs/INTJs to apply them maybe, giving a more "grounded" touch.

For example, i think that we should reproduce at a lower rate overall cause given this set of natural resources and productivity, we'll deplet the planet quite soon. That doesnt mean that we cant survive, but we can be better off with less population.
We are able to make accurate plans at different levels, but we're not able to plan at a macro-social level.

Less people, less pollution, more resources, more space, smaller markets.. and then a less polarized society.
Then i'll suggest investing in green tech and green public transportation.
Its all about macro-coordination regarding the medium and long term.
Id like to see that

I personally believe that a society as such, consisting of just INTP's, would produce hyper creative waves of culture.

If this society were to come together and actually exist, based on the current population ratio, its triumphs would create remarkable leaps in ideology. Technology renders us an advantage, and we would quickly overcome our lethargic nature by both the use of advanced automation systems and medical ideals. We appreciate functionality, and we are at heart most altruistic, despite the heavy coats of cynicism we may develop. This is a great gift, we cut through the bs, we would help eachother and society to our highest locomotion! I swear this. Nothing would invigorate my mania and productivity than being in a city of like-minded individuals, all who seek to improve the big picture.

Anywho, I have this theory, of a hyper Socratic society, in which there will be methods of creating dramatic epiphanic moments within single conversations. An expansion upon Socratic thought infused with (multiple) outlier expressions. I work on analytical outlier logic, atleast, that's what I call it for now. I've produced this wonky method that always leaves me with an idea I did not have previously, without fail. It really is quite peculiar, and so, I think such things would emerge in your hypothetical society, but far more refined, etc.
I can elaborate in pm if any one is interested.