INTP and Universal Archetypes

[Zeke Johnson]

Some questions? I was just looking for further research on the following and thought it might prove an amusing digression...

Q1: Is the Myer-briggs, compatible with animals?

Q2: Is evolution evolving new personality types, or do you think they have always existed?

Q3: Are all the types equal or are some better than others...in respect to evolution, survival of the species etc.

Q4: Why do you think the West has created so many Extroverts and places a much higher value on Extrinsic values ( This is a statistic ).

Q5: Is it possible to find the center of the E-I F-T J-P and what would this mean?


Zeke Johnson ( Ex-Captain )

 

[Ermine]

Some questions? I was just looking for further research on the following and thought it might prove an amusing digression...

Q1: Is the Myer-briggs, compatible with animals?

their personalities (if any) don't have the same depth as humans.

Q2: Is evolution evolving new personality types, or do you think they have always existed?

I don't know about creating different personality types but it certainly seems to affect the percentage of each type.

Q3: Are all the types equal or are some better than others...in respect to evolution, survival of the species etc.

any personality type can be successful if they play to their strengths and face their weaknesses.

Q4: Why do you think the West has created so many Extroverts and places a much higher value on Extrinsic values ( This is a statistic )..

I don't know much about any cultures other than the West, but it's certain that extroverts are held in much higher esteem, probably because they can get more friends, more prestige.

 

[RobdoR]

Q1: It seems like animals could, but how could we know? Seriously, that would be cool to figure out a way to test them.


Q2: I think they have always existed. I tend to agree with Carl Jung that there's a underlying theme to all of humanity.

Q3: Some are better in different situations and for different ends. So one type is probably always at an advantage for each situation. But over all I don't think one type is superior to the others. I think we do better as a whole with all the types working together, each doing what they do best. Different types strengthen each other and make the other grow, even if it is through conflict most of the time.

Q4: Off the top of my head I would guess that TV has a large role in it. TV seems to be able to interact with us on a broad extraverted level, by being the center of attention, constantly projecting onto us the way extroverts do. In a normal human interaction introverts would respond to that projection and offer different insight, but since there is no interaction with the TV the introverted element is silent. I think this contributes to extroversion being put on a pedestal as the ideal. I think it has also caused us to become a culture of spectators. How much real interaction do you have with people on a regular basis? How much of that interaction is on an extroverted level only such as large social settings? How often do you have just a few people over and really open up and get into the issues that matter most to you? I know I wish I could have more of that type of interaction.

Q5: Ahh, the well balanced individual. It seems like this comes with time if you work on it. I think there are people who don't always fit one type perfectly, but I don't think this means they are more developed or more rounded. I hope to be able to work on my weaknesses enough to actually use them when I need to. Other personality types actually have some useful habits that I try to force myself to enjoy. Schedules, for example, make me uneasy and trapped, but they are actually good to have, so I try to use them. Then sometimes I try to force myself to be extroverted. Usually that doesn't work very well though. I don't know a good method to explore other personalities.

 

[Vrecknidj]

Zeke,

These are fascinating questions and I've thought about some of these too. There is some research on the evolution questions, though it's a little hard to find online.

For me, the question that is prior to many of these, is this: "Do our preferences determine our personalities, or do our personalities determine our preferences?" And, I think the answer might be "no."

Most living things are, among other things, nested sets of billions of feedback systems. For example, when a woman is pregnant, after about 13 weeks, the placenta is in control, altering the woman's brain and biochemistry in amazing and profound ways. It's literally true that a woman has a different mind when she completes her pregnancy. Part of that transformation reprograms her to have a very low threshold for responding to infant cues (hence, the "let down" reflex, which doesn't typically occur in women who haven't been pregnant).

Our brains are deeply enmeshed in this whole complex dance. As we develop personalities, preferences emerge, but those preferences can be selected for as the environment responds, and can push the personality to the point where different preferences emerge.

My wife, for example, was raised to be an extrovert. Her parents and friends all but thrust this upon her. And, given the particular traumas of her particular childhood, she responded in kind. However, as an adult, she's reclaimed her introversion and is much happier as an introvert. As a kid, she didn't know that she was "supposed" to be an introvert (and, naturally, this begs the question). However, there were events, even earlier than her early traumas, that prompted her to develop toward being an introvert, but these were later sidetracked so that she developed into an extrovert.

I think this interplay is constant. Once we get through adolescence, it's probably much harder to, as it were, turn the ship around, but it's possible. During my adult life, I've worked hard to learn the skills of the other 15 types. The ESFJ's loyalty is a wonderful thing, the ENTJ's leadership skill is amazing, the ISTP's sense of spontaneity is engaging and fun, so I've tried to incorporate those. I think this gets us toward that middle area you speak of.

It requires devotion and practice, but the payoffs are excellent.

Dave

 

[tesseracter]

Q1: Is the Myer-briggs, compatible with animals?
It probably is - but what use would it be? These psych tests are mainly for personal gain and appreciation. Animals could not take the information and use it for personal gain. No doubt, observing my own dogs has gotten me to see that some are more extroverted, others introverted. Some are loners, leaders, and/or social. Some are more playful and others are more duty-bound. I have a very duty-bound dog, btw. He makes a great pet! I like those guardian-type dogs!

Q2: Is evolution evolving new personality types, or do you think they have always existed?
Since I don't believe in evolution, I seriously doubt that personality types are being evolved. However, we may come up with a different way to categorize how the average person responds to the universe or external and internal stimuli. I really don't think there's a SET number of personalities, kwim?

Q3: Are all the types equal or are some better than others...in respect to evolution, survival of the species etc.
I agree with the others - the different personalities contribute equally to the world we are in.

Q4: Why do you think the West has created so many Extroverts and places a much higher value on Extrinsic values ( This is a statistic ).
I agree with RobdoR. Movies, sports, Rocknroll, and TV have been a huge influence on what we value as a society. It probably has *always* been a significant value in most societies. If you think about it, those who love the limelight, focus their energies on making themselves popular - they would do this no matter what society they were in. This generation has just seen it in an all-encompassing world emphasis, rather than just being the big fish in a small pond. But not all is lost for our generation. With the onset of the internet, introverts like us have been given a voice. In school, kids know that "the thinkers" will not be the most popular, but they will have the most money.

Q5: Is it possible to find the center of the E-I F-T J-P and what would this mean?
I have a feeling there are plenty of people that even FIT into the category of the center of all of that. But, as tests go, you are forced to choose one or the other, and machines don't like the middle (machines are either 1 or 0) so, even the tests tend to push you toward one category even if you answered down the middle for everything.

 

[walfin]

Q1: Is the Myer-briggs, compatible with animals?
Maybe after u teach them how 2 read.

Q2: Is evolution evolving new personality types, or do you think they have always existed?
At the risk of sounding like a religious exclusivist, I'd say God created personality. But type is an invention of man.

Q3: Are all the types equal or are some better than others...in respect to evolution, survival of the species etc.
Theoretically, types which survive better ought to be more numerous. Hm...INTP is one of the rarer types, what does that say about us?
Still, I guess we're needed to provide some diversity to the gene pool. Which is why we haven't been completely exterminated yet :P.

Q4: Why do you think the West has created so many Extroverts and places a much higher value on Extrinsic values ( This is a statistic ).
Being too extroverted got you killed in ancient China. And India. And most other places which didn't have a Bill of Rights a long time ago. If evolution were true and if nature is a greater determinant of personality than nurture, then that explains it, doesn't it?

Q5: Is it possible to find the center of the E-I F-T J-P and what would this mean?
You forgot S-N. And I'm sure there'd be more than 1 kind of center. Maybe we can have an MBTI orthocenter, MBTI centroid, etc.

Aside: The original MBTI didn't allow for in-betweens (like, 50% E 50% I). But I think you knew that.

 

[Yozuki]

Q1: Is the Myer-briggs, compatible with animals?
Yozuki is to think the test is the translation function first, then the compatible with the animal. Bi-pedal human the mechanical is also animal.

Q2: Is evolution evolving new personality types, or do you think they have always existed?
Evolution is the not fully understood nor the fully known to existing Yozuki thinks. As to the mind, Yozuki thinks it is changing the constantly, personality type is to the single oneself as the many personality types are to the many oneselves. Many faceted personality the human mechanical is.

Q3: Are all the types equal or are some better than others...in respect to evolution, survival of the species etc.
Yozuki is the thinking the types are statistical the funny. Statistical the funny is textbook too much the amusing plan of action that is not the adapting. Textbook the funny is not too nature.

Q4: Why do you think the West has created so many Extroverts and places a much higher value on Extrinsic values ( This is a statistic ).
The rich activity of the developed nation with safety net and the unchange of war and pastime aggression of other world the leader. Muchly US has thrived and let human the mechanical enjoy the rich expression. The more the adapting the less the introvert. In other the country extrovert is not the exist, introvert is the exist in the large group activity. War time aggression is the building in other world country Yozuki think so.

Q5: Is it possible to find the center of the E-I F-T J-P and what would this mean?
Yozuki is the having no data in the memory bank central.

 

[Anti-socialite]

Some questions? I was just looking for further research on the following and thought it might prove an amusing digression...

Q1: Is the Myer-briggs, compatible with animals?

Q2: Is evolution evolving new personality types, or do you think they have always existed?

Q3: Are all the types equal or are some better than others...in respect to evolution, survival of the species etc.

Q4: Why do you think the West has created so many Extroverts and places a much higher value on Extrinsic values ( This is a statistic ).

Q5: Is it possible to find the center of the E-I F-T J-P and what would this mean?


Zeke Johnson ( Ex-Captain )

Q1: Yeah, Why not? We're animals, too.

Q2: I think the pool of personalities morphs with society.

Q3: I think that it goes without saying that some personality types can better adjust to life and changes. Nature is defined by the survival of the fittest (natural selection-ish) and so I can't see how the various personalities wouldn't follow a similar rule. Although, most rules are meant to be broken so there's no telling.

 

[Anti-socialite]

Q4: The West has created so many extroverts because western society makes it imperative that it's populations put the "greater-good" (whatever the hell that is) before personal interests WITHOUT MAKING IT MANDATORY. This means that although it isn't enforced by the government (directly), you're are encouraged to worry about what your family thinks, what your church (especially) thinks, what your employer thinks, what your community thinks and what other members of your racial/class group (USA/UK) think, while you're deciding on something as personal as who you're in love with.

It's like I said before, the power is in the fact that these things aren't enforced by the government (directly) but by other members of society via various types of discrimination, which I believe is an attempt to keep you in line or to let you know that your kind isn't accepted.

So let's think about this: what type of person would thrive in this type of society? People who care what everybody else thinks. Extroverts.

 

[Perseus]

Some questions? I was just looking for further research on the following and thought it might prove an amusing digression...

Q1: Is the Myer-briggs, compatible with animals?

Q2: Is evolution evolving new personality types, or do you think they have always existed?

Q3: Are all the types equal or are some better than others...in respect to evolution, survival of the species etc.

Q4: Why do you think the West has created so many Extroverts and places a much higher value on Extrinsic values ( This is a statistic ).

Q5: Is it possible to find the center of the E-I F-T J-P and what would this mean?


Zeke Johnson ( Ex-Captain )

Hello,

It is just modern animism. The memes have been around for millennia.

Jumping Badger morph-shifted to Sitting Bull.

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/