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Best times to think and overthink

ZenRaiden

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I was kind of over indulging in thinking, and in many ways it is both productive, but can be deceptive in what way it makes you productive, because the mind has a way of making us think we are productive.

I committed to write out my thoughts on a blank sheet of paper a few times and truly to my amazement most of the thoughts were kind of demented and crude and not really helpful.
But by writing them on piece of paper they disappeared in a way. It became clear those thoughts are mindless chatter rather than constructive way out of a problem or some higher awareness.

But it occurred to me that not all thinking is made equal, some edited and well formatted thinking can be of great utility, other is just garbage. However the problem is they often come both in one package, as if one needs a sorting hat to discern which thoughts are useful and usable and which are just after farts or just metabolic over-product of thinking that should be vented and discarded.

So morning is usually best time to think, but the problem is the more you think in the morning, as clear as your mind can be upon the waking hour, it will tank your will power and it will take away from rather good chunk of productivity. Its almost like you can choose between being highly efficient and productive or just thinking and productive.

When it comes to noon hours I think thinking on empty stomach will produce more judgmental and more snappy judgments and will be underlined with bit of anxiety and somewhat limited narrow mindedness.

After lunch your thoughts will be more dopamine and serotonin driven, there will be more balance and equanimity in your thinking and less hassle, you will be more open-minded and concerned with your own well being when making decisions, but it also might be a little sluggish and less bold to think outside of confines of comfort zone.

In the evenings your thinking will be carefully shaped by days events, tainted and sort of influenced by how well your day went, how many social interactions you had and how well they went.
If the day was emotionally fulfilling your thinking will be open, almost frivolous and open to suggestibility. You will find joy in simple thoughts and your will be slower thinking and more loose in associations, but nevertheless creative.

If the day was difficult and interactions were making you feel diminished you will feel broody, ruminating, and often you will find yourself thinking in worn out paths, less creative, more analytical and problem oriented, perhaps tad bit too critical of society and oneself even. Also more risk averse and less suggestible to good things, but highly suggestible to doom and gloom.

At nights the world stops and its only you and your self, you have more time to reconnect with what you lost along the way during your day, in this space you can explore dreams, wishes, but also your shortcomings and be honest with big problems that seem overwhelming during the day. You can also commit to thoughts that are rather strongly held at bay during day and so you can kind of vent and also appreciate certain things that would have gone unnoticed.

I suspect night owels are often people who kind of lead double life, where the best parts of their thinking get to be repressed by days duties and errands and also conflicts, so often some energy erupts in night hours where the more free flowing almost likely flow seeking mind wants to play a game or two.

One can also immerse oneself in ideas that would surely get interrupted during day.

Please share your own experiences with thinking.
 

Hadoblado

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IMO the biggest value gained from MBTI is the dichotomy between introverted and extroverted thinking, and understanding the value of both. My natural inclination is internal passive consistent interpretive thought. This is valuable as a foundation for Te, but it leads to dysfunction on its own. Thinking for its own sake leaves you as an observer in your own life.

So somewhere between the ages of 20 and 30 I promoted impatience to a virtue. Understanding the myriad possibilities is great if it gets you something. Keep track of what your thoughts lead you to to sharpen your focus. External goal orientation is important for enacting or embodying any value you might have.

To be clear, Te on it's own is basically everything wrong with the world. Balance is key. Speak and be heard, but also listen.
 

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To be clear, Te on it's own is basically everything wrong with the world.
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This made me laugh, because I honestly not so long ago was thinking the exact same thing.
 

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My natural inclination is internal passive consistent interpretive thought. This is valuable as a foundation for Te

I often cannot track my thoughts. To have all of them in place I need to keep my inner voice quiet. Only as a reference do I come to some concept and I dwell on what it's meaning is.

So it's not like I think things through to some end point. I look at some aspect of a problem and fill it in little by little is a disorganized way. Like a scatter plot. A structure does form but only after a great deal of contemplation.

Often I don't get things done as there are small steps I cannot overcome that impede my progress. Everything needs to be in place and a small detail breaks everything. So I focus on those details most. There really isn't anything I can do until the smallest piece is resolved and I never start anything I cannot finish. Rather I most likely look at all the things that stop me, not excessively but people don't understand what the biggest issues are that prevents them from doing some task. Like when a person has lost a card that has all their money and cannot eat for a month and must quit their job or panhandle on the corner.

Basically I am saying conciencousness prevents many people from being homeless.

That's not to say being aware of everything is Te or Ti but things break and broken things that are important, you need to know what is important. Most people learn things the hard way. I don't think of everything that can go wrong but I immediately know what can and is why I have backup systems in place. I ask questions before I do anything with anyone. If it won't work I don't do it.

Analysis of the greatest possible outcome depends on who you're with and what needs to be done first. Anything out of sequence is a failure. At least in real life where I don't do much. I spend my time getting information on making up ideas not planning life events. Resolving something I don't understand creates many mental barriers to myself if I cannot find what I need. Because again thoughts are unstructured I cannot construct an overall system just subsystems I put together later. I don't organize my thoughts in the way you would where everything has a place. It's scattered and deconstructed. I can take things apart real easily.
 

scorpiomover

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I find that the times when thinking is most useful of all, is when I need to "measure twice and cut once", such as situations when the following is true:
(a) I need to do something.
(b) I'm not 100% sure of my measurements and calculations.
(c) If it's not done right the first time, it will cause a lot of problems, and so I'm better off making sure that I've checked all of my measurements and calculations.
(d) I have the time to double-check, and am not really losing anything by taking the extra time to think things through.

I've had several situations the past year like that. Taking the time to think about it properly has saved me and the other people involved, no end of problems.

When I'm better off not thinking too much over it, is usually when at least one of the following is true:
(a) I don't really need to do it, and so don't need to think about it or do it.
(b) Whatever I've worked out so far, is enough to get on with it and do it properly for now anyway.
(c) Even if I've not thought about it properly and not done it quite right, it won't matter too much.
(c) Even if I've screwed it up, I can still do it again easily without losing much.
(d) It's so urgent, that I'm better off doing something NOW, rather than taking my time to think about it and then possibly losing the opportunity to do it later.
 

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thinking while walking is good. The more flat you are (lying down the worst) the more circular/repetitive the thoughts become
 

Puffy

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I’m probably ADHD and a lot of my thinking is kind of pointless and just a product of an overactive mind. Like froyd says I walk a lot as to me it’s helpful when my body is moving at a similar pace as my mind. I get my best ideas when walking but only if I have something, like a problem or creative project, to contemplate while walking. Otherwise it’s mostly brain farts.
 

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One class I've thought was helpful with developing logical thought was Woodshop (you have to really plan things out and know and learn how to use a lot of different tools and not cut your fingers off doing it). And its really fun and challenging to do measurement type math and planning with angles, etc.

Thinking is like if you are a wheel and there are spokes aiming out at different angles, you want to consider as many different angles as you can get, so some of that is trying to find alternatives and not closing off just because you have one angle.

Angels are Angles. Ie, each one is from different angle, above, below, left, right, all around you. Ie, Metatron is the one above you, you have Michael, Raphael, Uriel, Gabriel, Metatron, and many others, Ezekial, etc, each is at an angle to you.

You have to let go of who you think you are, because you are not what you think, you are ten thousand things that can't be named. Rise up above yourself, try angles so you can dissolve the ruminating types of thoughts and you seek out hundreds of other angels to get a better picture of things. Most of this is bringing ideas/things in, turning things over and tilling the soil, clipping away things, softening things, healing things, combining unlikely things, resolving things, being still, contemplating the navel, ie, go into your gut, go into your heart, go into your ear, your skin, move around, pulse, etc.

Water and nature are always the best ways since as soon as you put barefeet on the ground, and you have water and plants nearby, you are much more in tune to Mother Earth who is who supports us, and she is in tune to universe and consciousness. Having an appreciation of her is reciprocal to your soul. So, Siderial time is best for thinking and getting ideas, that is between 12:30 and 2:00 when the sun is above you, go for a walk in nature near water.

Then when you lay down to go to sleep, create a pyramid around yourself that intentionally nothing can bother you in, and you feel safe.
Then your dreams can be one of your very best thinking generators when you want to learn.


 
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