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A list of things I don't believe in

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I don't believe in ghosts
I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in witchcraft
I don't believe in astrology
I don't believe in God
I don't believe in life after death
I don't believe in past lives
I don't believe in psychics
I don't believe in crystal healing
I don't believe in demons
I don't believe in flat earth
I don't believe in geocentricism
I don't believe in aliens on Earth
I don't believe in YOU (jk yes I do)
 

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Aww it's a baby nihilist.
 

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Yes yes of course, you've seen through the obvious lies, now comes the more subtle ones. Fiat currency, legal justice, inalienable rights, everything you thought you knew about history.

 

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Yes yes of course, you've seen through the obvious lies, now comes the more subtle ones. Fiat currency, legal justice, inalienable rights, everything you thought you knew about history.

Man I was just sharing some fun philosophy, don't come at me with some intellectual superiority you think I dont already know about ... :3
 

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What inspired your need to make this list?
 

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What inspired your need to make this list?
Seeing if anybody disagrees, mostly. Or agrees. A self reminder, maybe. When I realized how reality operates, my life and the world around me became at once more understandable, and more scary. I've met a lot of people who believe fully in fictional things, like ghosts, and I just wonder how those people see the world... how many falsehoods they see around them. The majority of people don't view reality as what it is. They don't understand the realness around them, they cling to idealist theories like God and spirits. A part of me pities them, and another part of me envies them. Even with an understanding of how it all operates, I'm even more afraid of it all than ever. Humans have such limited knowledge. There are some things we will never know.
 

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I like to think of it as having so many new things to explore.

I want to learn and make stuff.
 

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Hi Chibi, welcome :)

Cog plays a character sometimes. They can be a pain, but I believe this was harmless prodding. I do agree with Cog this is a relatively "safe" list for anyone not partial to the spiritual or whatever else.

I don't disagree with you on anything in the list, but there are many people here that will. This isn't a rationalist forum despite what the title might imply. Godlets, in particular, abound.
 

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While I don't 'believe" as in science type believe, I do allow for all of those because I think humans need 'stories' and 'fantasies' because in a way it enriches the world. Also, I'm intuitive, so the psychic dreams and intuition, and sensitivities to other rhelms are there. The word believe is different from just being open to it all. I'm open to it all. And its all useful to humanity in one way or another. I do think different brain states create different realities, and that brain waves are experiences we need to expand and some of those things like meditation, sleep brain states, altered realities, actually create very real different levels of experience that we don't want to exclude from our life. Some brain states are very very healing. And whatever we use or believe will often be self fulfilling prophecy.

I'm not religious, but I like to learn about all religion just because I'm here to learn and experience as much as I can while I'm here. The right brain does one thing for us, the left does another. So, the two worlds DO meet! I think its about creating and play and thats what literature, music, art, stories, do, they help us frame the world in different ways. Plus the brain creates things for us for a reason, to keep us safe. Thats probably at the root of it. If you've experienced a ghost in a haunted place, your senses will prickle and guide you to get out of that situation and leave. Some of it is real. For example, you can be in your head all the time and unaware that your awareness can drop down into your gut, or heart or ears, and listen to energy around yourself in different ways. Living in this interactive world, is not just about being in a factual brain world, its much more than that. I think we all want to feel deeply and experience deeply and just staying open and not judging means you will experience more. Plus, learning what others believe will expand perspective. I like all of that stuff, especially the crystal healing. Thats because I can actually feel healing from crystals. Pink Kunzite? It literally vibrates its energy in my palms. Rainbow Quartz? Citrine? Hold a sphere in your hands, and you will feel really good. If I have heartache, I put Blue Kyanite or Apache Tear crystal near my heart and it stops the pain like nothing else can. I've always been sensitive to crystal energy, found my first girasol moonstone at the age of 7 and have been collecting them ever since. I actually go overboard with collecting them. This is just two orders. I also took Geology in college and have been finding crystals in museums since I was young. Something about them helps me, very therapeutic. To me, they are better than people and you can carry one or hold a different one and feel totally different, as they impart ancient earth energy. The preseli bluestone is from celtic stones for example that have amazing properties. They are part of nature and earth. Have been here much longer than people and they teach me 'energy'. If I don't want people to bother me, dragon septarian works, but, if you drive with it, people won't see you, so it makes it a bit dangerous for driving. Obsidian is grounding. If you want protection while traveling, turquoise is what you want. Each one does something different. Bloodstone lowers blood pressure, some help you with insomnia, etc.

Anyway, I think most of those things are what make the world extremely cool. But at the same time, I know the difference between science type fact and nature type experience and they each have their place. I think as long as you are using it then the world is your oyster you can use all as tools to help you, I don't want to see it as one is not okay, I think its all part of the experience of living.
Plus, you learn that there are ways to use information that enhances everything.

Red light, yellow light, green light. If you are meeting someone new at a party, and feel your muscles contract and feel hunched over it means something dangerous about that person, you should pull away from whatever, and go home. Contracted muscles means your body knows something is wrong, red light, stop, get out of dodge.

If you feel your muscles expanding and relaxed and you feel energized by a situation or person, that means, green light, go for it. This person is working with you on something, its good.

If something isn't happening with some goal you want, and it just doesn't work out, or come naturally, it means 'not now' yellow light, you can ask, but put it on a back burner, its not ready or right for you now. (Yellow light).
I think the universe talks to you or responds in different ways and your muscles will tell you so much. Pendulums as well. Asking yes or no questions with a pendulum will really be one of the best divination tools because your body KNOWS things. Trust it. We just have to learn to read it so we don't get stuck and can be fluid in where to go or how to respond next. And use all your faculties, reason, logic, intuition, gut, energy levels, feelings, its all communication that helps you. Balance them all so you have multiple ways of listening in to what your soul and guides are helping you with.




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While I don't "believe"
This is an insane amount of work. Just so you know, ive met a couple psychics and people who believe they can tune into some higher dimension, and to be blunt I think it's all make believe, no offense. However, it is extremely interesting to hear what your personal beliefs are. It's always interesting talking with people on the opposing spectrums.

What do those numbers besides the crystals mean?
 

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Hi Chibi, welcome :)
Hi Hadoblado! I mean no harm getting into a scuffle with Cog, I'm new here and I would hate to peeve the regulars. I don't know any of y'all's quirks yet, but I've seen you and a few other names active and about.

I agree it's a safe list, it's very basic philosophy, but it's the core of my beliefs. I know it's nothing new or groundbreaking. In fact, the song God by John Lennon pretty much parrots my wording exactly, which I realized shortly after posting this :3
 

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While I don't "believe"
This is an insane amount of work. Just so you know, ive met a couple psychics and people who believe they can tune into some higher dimension, and to be blunt I think it's all make believe, no offense. However, it is extremely interesting to hear what your personal beliefs are. It's always interesting talking with people on the opposing spectrums.

What do those numbers besides the crystals mean?
Prices for each crystal.
And what Haddo said about Cog is right, don't take anything personally, tries to push your buttons. We have learned to NOT react to it. Its nerd-dom mostly. I can not tell if he's serious or not, sometimes.

Anyway, I understand about not entirely believing in psychics. I went to several and wasn't sure if I could believe them or what they were saying was anything I could trust. Yet, one relayed exact words that my Mom would have said. I think some of it is made up, and some of it is just being able to read akashic information and that our deceased relatives are just in another form. We die, and leave our body, but our soul/spirit lives forever.

I think there are dimensions, and earth is on 1-4th dimensions with access to 5th dimension and beyond if we explore.
That your passed relatives are very near us, just about 10-12 feet above us. When we die, we move around by 'will' and 'thought'.
Our job here is to learn 3D and 4D lessons. Some people are stuck a little bit in 4th dimension nightmare type place. Most of how we learn to move through that is 'fifth dimensional' explorations. Meditation being one of those, spirituality another.

We have to learn to switch between dimensions and or have access to all of them to navigate the worlds and not feel stuck.
Most people are five sensory types without awareness of it all (probably SJ types). They are conditioned that way and fearful of anything their eyes can't see. But when we learn that WE are the portal to all of those dimensions and can navigate through brain states and consciousness states, ie, read lucid dreaming books, get into the state just before you fall asleep, and meditation, and other brain wave states and explore those realities.

Its ok to believe whatever you like, but at some point, you may experience a dream that was premonition ten years later, and or have other types of intuitive experiences that make you think differently, six sensory experiences.
If you've always experienced that and another person has never experienced it- then, you can't prove it to them, so I won't try.
Because you can't prove experiences, but you can know everyone has different experiences and simply stay open and know none of us knows everything.

That Lochness monster (Nessie) is an example. The lake is so deep that a Pleisiosaurus could possibly have survived up there, and how can we deny that literally thousands of people over centuries have glimpsed sightings of something there, either making wake patterns in the water or seeing 2 or 3 humps. Even though nobody has proven it, is it better to just stay open to the fact that thousands of people seeing something couldn't all be wrong. We leave room for the possibility. We don't know.

Also, there are many other lakes with sightings of Sea Serpents. Similar entities: Champ, Ogopogo, Altamaha-ha, Tahoe Tessie
 

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a perfectly respectable critical-thinker starter pack

earth is slightly flat though, it's equatorial radius is bigger than its polar radius
 

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Also, there are many other lakes with sightings of Sea Serpents. Similar entities: Champ, Ogopogo, Altamaha-ha, Tahoe Tessie
This was a very fun read, thank you. When I was in college taking way too much acid, I also believed I could partly see into higher dimensions. I also had a not-so-minor religious breakdown, but that's a different story. When I came back down to Earth, I chose not to pursue this line of thought and instead focus on what's real, like the green grass and the trees and the birds. Funny enough, these confusing revelations made me less spiritual in the end. I believe true transcendence is seeing the truth in the world around you.

Here's something I found in my notes app from around that time:

1 - Mirror stage, self realization
2 - the cave stage, exiting the matrix, seeing the real world
3 - The transcendence, the one ness, the eye of reason opens, unity, the truth
4 - ???

I don't think I've ever figured out what that 4th stage is. That might be okay.

I'd love to hear more about your experiences with it.
 

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I think at this point in my life I am trying to have less thoughts and be more aware of my impulses.

It's a bit tiresome tho

I slept 18 hours because I was board today.

This could be what happens to introverts who lost touch with introversion and went extraverted.

Without thoughts I am left with only the external and this is abrasive. I don't like looking outside myself but for some reason I stopped thinking.

What this has to do with believing anything I am not sure only you @Chibi mentioned you are experiencing want to know what's real and I often wondered about that in my imagination.

Being present and grounded zaps my energy.

So it could be the extravert introvert distinction or something to do with a stage in my life as I feel I am not having much going on in it at the moment.

How do you relate to the environment as being real, does it make you feel energized or just being as you are calm?
 

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How do you relate to the environment as being real, does it make you feel energized or just being as you are calm?
I really relate to what you've written here. I fully understand and relate. Less thoughts, more aware of my impulses. Too much effort with everything going on nowadays.

I believe I am hyper fixated on reality due to too many psychedelics in my development, and maybe some autism. I see everything as it is - tangible, real - and I can never not do that. And to be honest, it's both calming and exhausting. It's also lead to a lot of mental illness. For example, interacting with people is extremely difficult for me. I see human beings as such complicated things, and I see myself as complicated. I'm hyper-aware any time I speak to someone - of how I'm acting, of what im saying, of how they're reacting. Like you said, it's exhausting.

But it also allowed me to see the beauty in world much more perceptively. I've always thought of myself as an artist, and I see beauty in literally everything. Even the most mundane things. It's because it's all real. Forms and life and shape and light, coming together to create something impossibly unique and entirely temporary. Am I making any sense? It's late and I'm a bit tipsy.
 

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Am I making any sense?

Sense perception as refined as yours sounds like dominate extraverted sensation.

I am the more emotional type and I also absorb ideas. I thought I was infj until I understood I have greater attachments to novelty than spontaneous revelations.

The boredom I feel is in fact from running out of ideas. Don't know how that's possible for my type but I got too much negative feedback recently and since I don't do anything but reflection on ideas I guess I crashed.

I am fine around people half the time when I can talk openly to them. I listen. But not having the ability to think, I was told I have ADHD - I hyper focus / try to understand topics too hard for me. This recent crash is why I had to sleep and sleep and sleep.

Mindfulness meditation videos I was watching before responding and they made me realize I needed to control myself more gently as too much self neglect would be about forcing myself to much to be calm.

So I'd say if people bother you just realize nothing is wrong and it's ok to make mistakes or if people don't like you then it's not your fault.

The more we feel, act or do anything the more it ingrained a pathway it creates in us. The first step is letting yourself be who you are. Take breaks and reinforce those habits you want to be part of yourself.
 

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Not sure about the fourth stage, but I think it relates to being yourself. As hard as that is, recognizing everyone is part of the divinity and celebrating ourselves at whatever level that is. Finding your appreciation for the real you, and not being disillusioned by the million and one distractions around us. Being enlightened on the inside and not fearing yourself in the world. Yes, seeing everything as one, including the oneness of the planet we are on, sitting in the stars, planets, outer space. Send love out as far as you can and expand the light from the heart outwards. It creates peace in the world. Heart Math Meditations on youtube. There is source power radiating from the heart and in nature. Get as much of that as you can.
 

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Fair list. I don’t believe in most of those either, though I still enjoy stories and myths about them. Sometimes it’s fun to explore ideas even if you don’t take them seriously.
 

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I don't believe in ghosts
I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in witchcraft
I don't believe in astrology
I don't believe in God
I don't believe in life after death
I don't believe in past lives
I don't believe in psychics
I don't believe in crystal healing
I don't believe in demons
I don't believe in flat earth
I don't believe in geocentricism
I don't believe in aliens on Earth
I don't believe in YOU (jk yes I do)
I am inclined to believe in ghosts.
Magic is moot term it needs to be better specified.
Witchcraft is probably some brand of magic, but still possible who knows...
Astrology seems like nonsense, but I do believe in its function ergo helping people make better decisions or make life changes. Be it placebo or not I think it can work for people who believe in it.
I don't believe in God, but it very well might be God exist.
I do believe in life after death is a stronger possibility, but still not sure.
I don't know about past lives, but there are people who do say its real, can't say.
Psychics are a mystery to me, maybe they do exist maybe they are lying, but I as of yet not seen a psychic that was right. But I never sought them out either.
Crystal healing also open to that, but Ill try it and see if it works.
I don't believe demons exist, but if ghosts exist its possible some are malignant.
Earth is spherically flat.
Geocentrism is all about knowing your center. We can call Earth center of it all if like to thank you very much.
The jury is out on aliens on Earth. It would be easy to hide them.
I don't believe in people, but all people have a potential to do amazing things if they choose to.
 

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I am currently getting general tarot readings on youtube.
I wanted to see if tarots work for me.
So I am testing its veracity.
 

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Fair list. I don’t believe in most of those either, though I still enjoy stories and myths about them. Sometimes it’s fun to explore ideas even if you don’t take them seriously.
I totally get this, Cobra. I still love finding out people's astrology types and going "omg you're such a _____" even though I think it's BS. It's just fun! Pisces btw
 

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tarot readings on youtube.
I've had a few flings with people who loved Tarot. I have to say, every reading I've had has been scarily accurate to how i was feeling in the moment. I can explain it with psychology and our ego grasping at ideas that seem relevant to us, but I won't.

I love getting my cards read. Don't believe in it at all, but it's a lot of fun.
I don't believe in people
Why don't you believe in people? Do you have trust issues? I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Or are you saying like, you don't believe they exist.... like they're lizards maybe... or simulations... all built around you. Maybe they're all actors?

TRUMAN? IS THAT YOU?
 

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I love getting my cards read. Don't believe in it at all, but it's a lot of fun.
For me its just way of giving up control, and letting things happen. It helps me not to be so anxious.

Why don't you believe in people?
I thought most people most of the time would be the type of creatures that would act rationally and work to optimize for life.
I was wrong. People do a lot of things that go against rational and optimizing for life.

Or are you saying like, you don't believe they exist.... like they're lizards maybe... or simulations... all built around you. Maybe they're all actors?
No I think people are just not as rational and smart as they think.
Now that does not mean people are wrong all the time, but generally speaking I am skeptic when it comes to humanity.
 

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For me its just way of giving up control, and letting things happen. It helps me not to be so anxious.
I love that feeling. I agree. Let the river run its course.
I thought most people most of the time would be the type of creatures that would act rationally and work to optimize for life.
There's a lot of different people in this world. A lot of them are bad. But so many are good!! You just have to find the right ones, and I think it'll be okay <3

Also "optimizing life" isn't the end goal for a lot of people, including myself. I like to create art. I'm an artist. "Optimization" sounds mechanical to me. I fuck up a lot. I fail. But if I was perfect, with zero mistakes, and zero failures, I wouldn't be myself anymore. If you were your perfect optimized self, you wouldn't be you either. You'd be a scary mirror image, a stranger. People are born and raised from their scars. It's a part of life.

If I made all the right choices, I guarantee you I would never have the art and ideas I created which I love so much. Humans are flawed creatures. You have to embrace that, and learn to love that about them.
 

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Also "optimizing life" isn't the end goal for a lot of people, including myself. I like to create art. I'm an artist. "Optimization" sounds mechanical to me. I fuck up a lot. I fail. But if I was perfect, with zero mistakes, and zero failures, I wouldn't be myself anymore. If you were your perfect optimized self, you wouldn't be you either. You'd be a scary mirror image, a stranger. People are born and raised from their scars. It's a part of life.
I was thinking more in global sense, not fighting a ww3 not making Earth into a toilette, not turning our insides into chemical soup, not treating kids like NPCs etc.
I like art, and I sure as did not mean optimizing work load, what I meant being more pro life and pro happiness.
 

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I was thinking more in global sense
Ah yes I agree we as a country are braindead and maliciously self serving individuals on a path to total ruin.

But I'm trying to limit this thread to more personal and introspective feelings and not go into external politics
 

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TMK you're not the only person who believes in God here. You're the most enthusiastic for sure.
 

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IDK what you mean by this in this context, and I even tried looking it up on Urban Dictionary. I am not hip with the lingo, so please tell me what you mean by this.
 

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Then I rest my case.
 

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You've admitted I am the "most enthusiastic" about my faith. I don't care if people debate the issues. I don't care if atheists make their case for atheism, or Buddhists, or Islam, or Jews, or Hindus, or the guy who thinks lepercons are real. Clearly, I'm the only one really arguing for my religious proclivities here. Hence,

Feels like it to me!

Now, maybe the mods here don't want us talking about religion in the public sphere. IMO, that would just be crappy because IMO, any idea is up to be critiqued or debated in public discorse. But at this point, I am getting the feeling that I have more freedom of religion in the country I live in than the bits and bytes that I look at from the privacy of my own home every day.
 

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I don't really understand what's going on here. As far as I'm aware we agree but you phrase it like you're winning an argument? You are the most enthusiastic. Obviously.

Why are you framing this like you're making a case and extracting concessions?
 

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Why are you framing this like you're making a case and extracting concessions?

I'm not? That's not my intention? You are trying to read between the lines of stuff I have not said?
 

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Honestly, @Hadoblado,

Even though you feel like I am "enthusiastic," or whatever, there have been no shifts in what people believe on this forum, to the best of my ability to figure out. Is that a problem? Well, personally, I think people should be trying to get closer to the truth, meaning that is why free speech is important, so that debate can happen and people can make up their minds on stuff on who is right and who is wrong. Take the "The Pit" thread, which I was reading. Both you an Cog are both debating but you are both talking past each other and neither of you really is at all interested in changing your mind on anything (despite Cog's insistance that he can "deprogram" you, which is ironic because you both accuse each other of being hive mind dummies and you are clearly both very intelligent [I digress])
 

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Hadoblado

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Sorry dude this just feels like playing games. I'm sleep-deprived and struggling to see the purpose behind your questions.

I would say we both agree on something. We both believe it to be correct. The truth value of your belief is equal to the truth value of mine. Why is this relevant or useful?
 

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ZenRaiden

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I've had has been scarily accurate to how i was feeling in the moment.
What really spooked me I got very similar readings on several different youtube channels.
Same major arcana cards constantly same shit.
 

Hadoblado

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Sorry dude this just feels like playing games.

It's not, and it is going to depend, once again, on how you define truth.

I'm sleep-deprived and struggling to see the purpose behind your questions.

You don't need to know the purpose right away. You can just answer it.

The truth value of your belief is equal to the truth value of mine.

Please explain what you mean by this.

You haven't given me a reason to want to participate. I'm not onboard with what looks so far to me like endless clarifications. No conversation we've ever had has instilled in me the confidence in you to lead me blindly down a path and believe it will be worth it.

Given the tensions between us recently this doesn't feel authentic and I need transparency before I engage.
 

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Sorry dude this just feels like playing games.

It's not, and it is going to depend, once again, on how you define truth.

I'm sleep-deprived and struggling to see the purpose behind your questions.

You don't need to know the purpose right away. You can just answer it.

The truth value of your belief is equal to the truth value of mine.

Please explain what you mean by this.

You haven't given me a reason to want to participate. I'm not onboard with what looks so far to me like endless clarifications. No conversation we've ever had has instilled in me the confidence in you to lead me blindly down a path and believe it will be worth it.

Given the tensions between us recently this doesn't feel authentic and I need transparency before I engage.

Personal attacks?

Why are you so evasive?
 
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