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I see where you got the idea now. But no, I've nothing to retract because I was presenting a counter example to your generalization: Maybe you should retract that, or at least amend it to "some of the people that are arguing..."? @Coolydudey - Come on, you really expected people on this...

Only if my argument is the exact opposite of yours, i.e. that people argue against tests that give them higher scores. I am not claiming any correlation at all. I am only claiming that your statement is unsupported. So where is the support for your statement?

Wait, why do I need a comparative score? You need a comparative score, otherwise your statement is based on nothing. The existence of a higher score would support your statement, but the lack of a lower score means nothing. Which two tests?

Yes, but given that the only score known is one that is well above average, I don't see what you're basing the statement on. Which high score do you suppose I'm afraid of being tainted?

Exactly. But I'm arguing against the test that gave me the high score, so... :confused:

This makes no sense. If one was afraid of reality invalidating their score, one would be more motivated to argue that the test WAS valid.

You are being overly specific ("correlation studies") to allow yourself to deny your behavior. I never said anything about "correlation studies", I only used that as the most recent example. Read carefully: You have been repeatedly using comparison to support your opinion, while I'm...

So which is it, an airy argument, or a thesis? Cooly, as you can see from even this post, you have been the one using this comparison to support this IQ test. No one else was making any such comparison. In fact, I specifically told you in post #16 that I would not consider such arguments. I...

You're being inconsistent. You attempt to solve the problem of varying difficulty (leading to inconclusive results based on unanswered questions) by claiming that all the questions are arranged in order of difficulty, meaning everything is fine as long as the test is taken in sequence. Then...

@Coolydudey You've mentioned twice now about timed tests "stressing out" people, but that point was not what either Cherry Cola or I were commenting on. Do you have any response to the concern that was actually raised? (Keep in mind that I will never consider the sole fact that something is...

It gave me 129 +/- 6. The major problem with the timer is that it's per section instead of per question. I never reached the bottom of some sections, which means my ability to answer the remaining questions was never measured. If the unanswered questions would have been easier or harder for...

This seems to be dependent on the assumption that horizontal directions are easier to understand / visualize than rotation, but I'm not convinced that is true. After all, left-right confusion is not so uncommon (it affects at least one of my family members, in fact)...

Some mnemonics are like bzip2 files.

I think this sort of thing is where so much misdiagnosis comes from. An INTP values unambiguous communication, and Asperger Syndrome says an aspie interprets communication literally. When a person's preferences -- or the degree to which he values them -- is rare enough, some find it easier to...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR_8SDNQ0ks

Okay.

Did you even read what I just posted?

You have misunderstood. I was explaining why the terms "right" and "left" are used, not proposing a reason why most are "right". You apparently believe the reason was that "right" and "clockwise" are innately synonymous. It was not, and they are not.

I answered this in post #18: This is the reason for it. It's obscure. A 5-year old kid is not going to make this connection. You need to physically demonstrate it for him. Which means the mnemonic is entirely redundant, as you could have just as easily said "tighty, loosey" while...

I would like to see you teach an ignorant kid to "turn it to the right" without actually, physically, demonstrating what this means, and see if he can figure it out. The link between "right" and "clockwise" is unnatural and inconsistent, as demonstrated by various examples and testimonies...

Perhaps you're having trouble realizing this because the arbitrary association between clockwise and "right" was so ingrained in your mind at age 5 by parents repeatedly demonstrating the motion while reciting a nonsense rhyme? :smoker: There is no obvious connection. And using a steering...

If I move my hand to the right, it would no longer be touching the screw. There is no such thing as "rotating right".

I'm criticizing a bad mnemonic. You're right, it doesn't need to be exact, but it should leave you with some distinguishing information. An example of a good mnemonic is one that helps you remember "ROYGBIV". Although it doesn't tell you the exact colors, it gives you the letters they start with...

I'm not overlooking that, I'm describing an alternative to it. The problem was that he wasn't understanding how that alternative works because he was assuming the same conditions (lack of pre-existing knowledge). As you can tell from the OP and Ziast (and I have the same problem with this...

It can go either way; there is no clear way to remember "right means clockwise/counterclockwise" unless you just remember which part of your hand top or bottom to look at. The problem with your argument is that you're overlooking the point that we are relying on pre-existing knowledge (using...

I didn't see you make a case, though. Can you describe a framework that includes both screws and clocks, where a clock measuring time forward is akin to a screw being unscrewed? The pattern Grayman / I are talking about is "clockwise = use; counterclockwise = revert". This does give you both...

In each case, clockwise is the direction of the primary function, and counterclockwise reverts it (primary function = what's necessary for the device's existence to make sense -- it's absurd to imagine a clock that can be set back but doesn't move forward / a lock that only unlocks / a screw...

MBTI can be weighted in any combination. It's about preferences, and simply describes how they interrelate. In other words, the arbitrary and malleable nature of people is built into the framework, not denied. This one doesn't work that way. It describes mutually exclusive "levels" that must...

They're called "right-handed" or "left-handed" screws because it takes less physical effort to apply clockwise torque with your right hand and vice versa. Of course this necessary information isn't included in the mnemonic, which defeats the purpose. It would make more sense if the...

Is this what you've been watching?

Most popular web-centric businesses began with a terrible UX: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/6125914/How-20-popular-websites-looked-when-they-launched.html I know those are mostly quite old, but many of them are pretty sub-par even compared to the standards of their time. So as...

If the emotional attachment comes first, truth might be less of a priority. This relationship exists more when the cause and effect are reversed; that is, confidence that your ideas are true can lead to emotion. I think the reason you are surprised that reality doesn't look this way is...

College is the primary demotivating factor. Devoting a second-hand energy supply to staying another semester in the environment that is sucking your energy dry does not seem like a very efficient or worthwhile strategy. Dropping out is a very reasonable choice at this point. Give yourself a...

Most graduates fresh out of college have nothing but their college to show for themselves, so it's not surprising so many of them are filtered out so easily. The GPA is just a convenient filter when dealing with a large number of applicants. If you can make yourself stand out before they have a...

Given that the vast majority has been to college and has roughly the same scores, it is impossible for them to not look beyond that. Everyone has a hell of a time making themselves look unique, whether they have high scores or not. You have the benefit here of having a fairly obvious uniqueness...

I think you'll find most people here question established systems and enjoy thinking about them theoretically. Maybe your problem is that you're talking about actually starting a revolution, which falls outside the enjoyable realm of speculation and is not attractive because we know it's...

I use it for returning faxes of scanned Word screenshot printouts.

But it seems like you want to infringe on someone else's "reality" (that is, the worth of their services) by forcing yours to be applied to them. If you wanted to advocate establishing our own, shouldn't this be about creating our own postal service where everyone involved has the same...

I don't think you have answered my question. You call the system fraudulent, but seem to treat gold and silver as separate. But gold is no more "of substance" than any other money, so I can't see a coherent model of what you're arguing against.

What then is a non-fraudulent example of "paying"? Of course it's arbitrary. Any agreement between two people about the relative worth of one of their goods and services is arbitrary.

Well, you'd have the same problem with a briefcase computer wouldn't you? The only thing it really wouldn't support is expansion cards. Do you need a dedicated graphics card or is motherboard graphics good enough? The real problem is simply that power generates heat, and you need physical...

In case you are unaware, there is a market for desktop cases as small or smaller than that, like this one. There are also ones that are built to be attached to a monitor (where a monitor arm would normally be attached). If I wanted a mobile desktop, merging the computer and monitor is as far...

Classes and teachers by their nature are suited to disseminating facts and assigning mindless tasks, but not to giving clear understanding and insight. Just jump in and do it yourself, learn from your mistakes, and keep looking for ways to do it better. It won't cost you any money, and you will...

Yes. Although, I don't know how you expect me to know the difference between the real me and who I think I am. I don't think you can divide people by "internet" and "real life". Personas are selected based on circumstances. Real life has many sets of circumstances that can result in different...

But they're constantly replacing their earlier selves. Programmers have an instinctive objection to any form of repetition. Whenever you build something, that particular form of thing never needs to be built again... maybe something quite similar, but never exactly the same. Because what you're...

Re: Where did this myth that INTP are arogant come from? But once you have processed any particular piece of evidence, you lose interest in it. Processing it again is redundant, you think. And you've probably already had half the discussion in your mind before you even started talking to the...

Why hypocritical? Do you mean the person who wrote it is the one who should be treating others differently? Looks like they're both pretty much the same, http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/desperate#Etymology

Thanks for this enlightening clarification. :rolleyes: Did you really have to spend 5 minutes editing your post twice just to perfect this lame insult? You're still presuming that the bit you quoted was actually intended as a logical inference.

Yes, you read too much into it by assuming that the entire rationale was contained within the post. Why were you expecting koan to provide "evidence" at all to "convince" you of a personal choice? You were criticizing the logic when the logic itself was never actually presented. All you're...

^ I think you read too much into that. It doesn't say that not regretting not going was the cause of deciding what will cause regret.